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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: WarhawkWarrior on January 30, 2013, 01:01:49 PM
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The Student Section has as a lot of energy but in my opinion is very small in numbers with a few big game exceptions. During the last game we didn't even fill the lower bowl section. Thankful for those that do make it. Question here is what will it take to make it a higher priority for the students to attend? More giveaways, lower cost tickets, more coach and team promotion, better marketing to students?
It is disappointing knowing that they are really missing out on a good time. Has school just gotten that time demanding that you can't take a couple hours off?
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There's an existing thread for this..
To answer your question, i live with a bunch of "bros" who really don't care about MU ball unless it's march, or we play a big name team. That's how most basketball fans are. The people who contribute on forums like this are more than fans, it's a way of life for most of us.
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It could be that sports just aren't as popular with the younger generation as they used to be. There's more distractions now than ever before, you can't trick someone into following basketball.
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The answer is straight up laziness. I graduated recently in 2010 and while I was in school I went to every single game along with one of my roommates, but the rest of my friends would rather sit on the couch and watch the game. They didn't feel a "need" to get off their ass and head the astounding 6 blocks to the BC to watch a game they knew we were going to win. If it was a big time game or a weekend game then everyone would go but for a game against the lower half of the big east my friends didn't want to put the effort into it.
Which brings up a question. For those of you that were in school in the 70s, 80s, and 90s if you wanted to watch the game was the only option to attend or were they on TV? I think that's the problem, students can simply watch every game on TV so they aren't forced to attend.
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More promotions will get asses in the seats, but it will cost.
In 2004 and 2005, there was a student promotion almost every game. There was also an assload of flyers all over campus. It was a big deal when MU would be on ESPN2, and those signs would promote it.
If you give away a shirt, a bandana, a noodle, a crappy hat, etc every game where attendance will suck, the students will show up to get it. Not 100% full, but a lot better than not filling the lower bowl.
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Well, it's not the cost of the tickets. Dad paid the $99 for season tickets (16 games). I think a very fair price. My daughter did not go to the last game because she said none of her friends were going, "it's just South Florida dad". Busy with school work during the week, soooooo unlike her father.
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Every game is on TV now. Some kids just aren't die hard go to every single home game even it's crappy on a Monday night against last place USF fans. Sure, people like us would go to every game, but you can't expect everyone to be as into it as we are.
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Have Buzz email the students that he is disappointed with the turn out. If they don't show up, he leaves for SMU.
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A consistent b-ball player will bring them back. Someone you love to watch play like Jae C. was. Now, you don't know what MU team or which player is going to show up. Look at the Season SoG Tally. It's all over the place. If one player could become the main attraction, the game will become more exciting. Someone like Sean Kilpatrick. Good in one on one isolation play.
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I agree it is laziness. My son is freshman and none of his buddies wanted to go on Monday night. He has only been to a few games and really comes down to kids being lazy IMO.
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I agree it is laziness. My son is freshman and none of his buddies wanted to go on Monday night. He has only been to a few games and really comes down to kids being lazy IMO.
Too many are following, not enough are leading.
The ones that do make to games, as has been mentioned before, have been very good in creating a good student atmosphere IMO
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Give your kids my number, i'll glady go with them.
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I agree it is laziness. My son is freshman and none of his buddies wanted to go on Monday night. He has only been to a few games and really comes down to kids being lazy IMO.
Lazy? Maybe they just would rather do something else.
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It could be that sports just aren't as popular with the younger generation as they used to be. There's more distractions now than ever before, you can't trick someone into following basketball.
I don't know if someone can produce data on this point, but it seems to me that the student crowds today are far, far better than they were when I was at Marquette (87-91)-- both in terms of numbers and involvement. I think the open seating has helped with that -- we had to buy season tickets for a particular seat. My senior year we were first in line for tickets and even the "best" student seats weren't as good as what many students get now (I think Chicos was probably also in the group of us that bought them together, but I don't remember for sure). It also doesn't hurt that the team doesn't suck.
Sometimes I think the current students look a little ridiculous -- but that's just a "get off my lawn" moment and not a "real" criticism. We looked ridiculous too, and we weren't particularly clever or original. Far more often than not, I'm very impressed by the student turnout and involvement at the games (at least what can be seen on TV). I think the current students need to do exactly what I would have done when I was in their shoes: ignore us grumpy alums who insist that we had to walk 10 miles to the Bradley Center...barefoot...up hill...both ways...all while developing clever and original chants and cheers.
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I go to UW-Whitewater but I'll sell my season tickets and sit in the student section if someone wants to give me tickets. ;D
Next year I'll be in Grad school at Marquette so I'll be joining you guys in the student section
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Lazy? Maybe they just would rather do something else.
Yeah watch the game on TV. I have two brothers at MU right now (Junior and Freshman) and I'd bet that they have not gone to the game more often than they have. Like I said earlier on weekends or big games kids will go but they don't have the motivation to go to just any game, especially if their friends aren't going.
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Lazy? Really?
Its not called laziness. Its just that they don't care as much as MUBB as we do, the type of people that post on message boards. They have other things they would rather do, or they are content with watching on TV. Its not rocket science.
I graduated two years ago and went to 75% of games. Many friends of mine didn't bother to go to hardly any. They just had other things they'd rather do. It doesn't mean they are lazy. That theory literally makes me laugh, because in reality, its just them not caring as much about something as you/we do.
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Cbowe hit it on the head. Students are just lazy and would rather watch "Buck Wild" or "My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding". I dont understand how going to an MU game can take a back seat to anything else on campus. Anyone think if there were more bars on campus for drink deals before the games, it would get more kids to the game?
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It's a combination of two things...
1) Every game is on TV. It's easier to watch a game on your HDTV from your couch than it is to make the long, cold trek to the BC.
2) The current students don't know Marquette as anything other than a top 25 program with every game televised. Way back in my day (98-02), the opponent was the draw and not all that many games were on TV*. If you wanted to watch a game, you basically had to go to the game. To us alums who only knew mediocre basketball in our student days, we can't comprehend the current students not wanting to go see a top 25 program, which just so happens to be OUR program, play live every chance we get. To the current students, they don't know any different so the opponent is still the draw.
These aren't necessarily bad things. It's just the reality.
* - Ironically, when the game was actually on TV, more students would show up.
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I said laziness in regard to my son. He tried to rally the troops and sitting around drinking beer was better option than walking to BC. All of his buddies fall into big MU fans and they follow closely. Lazy or apathy I think too many options for kids today.
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The Student Section has as a lot of energy but in my opinion is very small in numbers with a few big game exceptions. During the last game we didn't even fill the lower bowl section. Thankful for those that do make it. Question here is what will it take to make it a higher priority for the students to attend? More giveaways, lower cost tickets, more coach and team promotion, better marketing to students?
It is disappointing knowing that they are really missing out on a good time. Has school just gotten that time demanding that you can't take a couple hours off?
We played Providence at 1 in the afternoon on a Saturday and I thought the crowd was quite good....In my 4 years I think this is the best student section I have seen
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Lazy? Maybe they just would rather do something else.
Yeah, I find that kind of dumb. It suppose to be entertainment, so why should you be forced to go?
Also, back in the day you couldn't watch the game at home. Now you can watch it on a big screen and with a laptop that has up to the second stats that are way more informative then watching a game live. Absolutely hate that the BC refuses to replay close calls. As a fan I feel I miss stuff when I go to a game. Not to mention you can get a couple 12-packs and pizza for what it would cost for 1 round of beers.
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I think the star identity problem is plausible. Davante is turning into a favorite and has great support among those attending. The Amigos, Jimmy and Lazar were had great student fans and even Rob Frozena held the students to the last minute.
We are long way from the rabid (no pun) student fans on many campuses. Maybe I have exaggerated expectations from our small student base. I wonder how we do on the ratio of student fans to total full-time undergrads.
Seemingly last year and the several years that we actually had a few sellouts they invaded the upper bowl on a more frequent basis.
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I also feel the off-the-court issues has hurt the mood around campus. Definitely turned off a few casual fans/students.
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I think it is a combination of different things:
1) A lot easier for students to get tickets. Back in ’79-’83 ticket packages through lottery and only ½ of the games. Guess that makes you appreciate tickets more. We would use crappy game tickets from our package to go to big games of the other package and would have to sit on the stairs.
2) Not all games were on TV. As I recall if local game was not a sellout it would get blacked out in the Milwaukee area.
3) Seems there are more lectures/labs at night that interfere with week games. My son had lectures or labs at night the last 4 semesters.
4) Home schedule so far this year looks weak with U Conn and Georgetown during break. Only the UW game was big. Looking forward Pitt., ‘Cuse, and N.D. should draw the students.
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As a current Sophomore I can attest to most of these points as valid. A lot of my buddies, who are as dedicated a Marquette fan as I am, simply don't buy season tickets for economical sake. So when games like USF come around, and they aren't already $100 in the hole and feel obligated to make it on a Monday night, watching from an HD TV from home while cracking open a cheap 6-pack (30 rack for the bros) seems ideal. I'm not one to show up 2 hours early for a great seat, but I do make every home game and wish there was a greater turnout than there currently is.
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Maybe Marquette should black out the games on their cable package (which many off-campus students subscribe to as well). If you have to go to a bar to watch, you might as well just go to the game,
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I guess the people who wait for movies to come out on DVD are "lazy" because they dont wanna go to the theater. What idiocy. Not everyone cares THAT much about basketball to feel the need to go to every game. Geez.
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Nevermind the students for a bit. How about the season ticket holders that didn't show up. The paid crowd was over 15,000 for the USF. Think what the crowd could've been if folks would show up.
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I guess the people who wait for movies to come out on DVD are "lazy" because they dont wanna go to the theater. What idiocy. Not everyone cares THAT much about basketball to feel the need to go to every game. Geez.
How about just come out on a warm winter night and support your team and school, that is having another good season. I hope winning is not getting old.
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I also feel the off-the-court issues has hurt the mood around campus. Definitely turned off a few casual fans/students.
I will admit to being a basketball junkie 25 years ago and now. But the student section then was not affected by (A) how bad the team was, (B) off court incidents. (we had plenty. players on drugs, players beating girlfriends, players pulling students along snowy roads and having the student lose balance, hit her head and spend her life in a coma) (C) night of the week. Big test the next day? Study early, take a 2.5 hour study break, come back and study late. I will grant that if I had the option to watch the game somewhere on a flat screen eating cheap pizza, I may have taken it. But in the mid 80's, as bad as MU was, there was nothing more sacred than season tickets. And using them.
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How about just come out on a warm winter night and support your team and school, that is having another good season. I hope winning is not getting old.
I have no problem with that, I attend the games. Im just saying that saying that students dont attend because they are lazy is unfair to the student population, because that makes a lot of assumptions and generalizations.
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Versus back-in-the day:
1. The campus was more of a hub point around the social life. Downtown was dead after 5PM. We were happy to get out. Today it is reversed.
2. Demand outpaced supply. There was a smaller arena and less games. Students had half-season tickets that you had to camp out for. You went.
3. National Tournament appearances and wins moved everything up a level (NIT, F2 and National Championship). Also, the Bucks had Alcindor and won a World Championship. The Badgers sucked. I know donors today who never attended MU but bought season tickets because of Al. He made Milwaukee Big Time when the beer industry was dying...and he stayed.
4. Social unrest...being a Warrior meant more than a nickname. For students and players as led by Al, it was them against the establishment...aka Adoph Rupp and segregation. With friends going off to war to fight and die, it was more about celebrating the moment versus establishing your career.
5. Home winning streaks were personal missions to be defended to death by players and fans alike. Today it is a shoulder shrug.
6. Home games were an event. Toilet paper, Willie's dance, Al's Technicals, crazy uniforms, the Hamm's anthem. Student cheers taunted the alums in the seats as much as the opposing team. Vulgarity was tolerated. Smoking and unlimited drinking were allowed. Home and homes with arch rivals made every game matter, and the coaches played to the crowds.
7. No undergrad night classes or labs.
8. No shuttles back in the day. With the 18 year old drinking age, pub crawls and jay walking tickets/arrests were part of the fun.
9. MU was more of a commuter school...so those living at home needed to get out.
10. I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums. Not even close. At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level. Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.
11. Parents are more apt to attend today with their kids...including students. It was an adult environment back in the day so more things were tolerated. With social media today, craziness is captured and shared forever.
12. No other big time sports...hell, women's sports didn't even exist. Hoops was it.
Each era is different...enjoy it as even today at reunions people talk hoops and not business. MU games then and now is a kick-ass environment. That is why so many of us value Buzz....we had it, lost it, and got it back. Let's not lose it again.
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I was a freshman in the fall of '65; Al's first recruiting class. At the time I was not much of a college basketball fan, though as a Jersey guy I would go to Jadwyn and the old Rutger's gym to see Bill Bradley play, while I was in high school. The team was 14-12, if I recall right the previous year, so season tickets were not hard to get ($16 for two reserved seats for all the home games). I think we averaged about 6-7000 a game which to me was pretty impressive. Did'nt take long and I was hooked. By my junior year season tickets were nearly impossible to get, but not for me since I started as a freshman. One of the highlight games back then was annual freshman/varsity game. Al's freshman always gave the varsity a run for the money. And I definitely had a 7-11 pm chemistry lab every Monday night my freshman year.
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Versus back-in-the day:
1. The campus was more of a hub point around the social life. Downtown was dead after 5PM. We were happy to get out. Today it is reversed.
2. Demand outpaced supply. There was a smaller arena and less games. Students had half-season tickets that you had to camp out for. You went.
3. National Tournament appearances and wins moved everything up a level (NIT, F2 and National Championship). Also, the Bucks had Alcindor and won a World Championship. The Badgers sucked. I know donors today who never attended MU but bought season tickets because of Al. He made Milwaukee Big Time when the beer industry was dying...and he stayed.
4. Social unrest...being a Warrior meant more than a nickname. For students and players as led by Al, it was them against the establishment...aka Adoph Rupp and segregation. With friends going off to war to fight and die, it was more about celebrating the moment versus establishing your career.
5. Home winning streaks were personal missions to be defended to death by players and fans alike. Today it is a shoulder shrug.
6. Home games were an event. Toilet paper, Willie's dance, Al's Technicals, crazy uniforms, the Hamm's anthem. Student cheers taunted the alums in the seats as much as the opposing team. Vulgarity was tolerated. Smoking and unlimited drinking were allowed. Home and homes with arch rivals made every game matter, and the coaches played to the crowds.
7. No undergrad night classes or labs.
8. No shuttles back in the day. With the 18 year old drinking age, pub crawls and jay walking tickets/arrests were part of the fun.
9. MU was more of a commuter school...so those living at home needed to get out.
10. I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums. Not even close. At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level. Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.
11. Parents are more apt to attend today with their kids...including students. It was an adult environment back in the day so more things were tolerated. With social media today, craziness is captured and shared forever.
12. No other big time sports...hell, women's sports didn't even exist. Hoops was it.
Each era is different...enjoy it as even today at reunions people talk hoops and not business. MU games then and now is a kick-ass environment. That is why so many of us value Buzz....we had it, lost it, and got it back. Let's not lose it again.
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I think that's the problem, students can simply watch every game on TV so they aren't forced to attend.
Bill Wirtz is turning in his grave.
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What if there was a deal whereby a Student bought a "fanatics pass for $50, got us pass punched for attending all regular season games prior to the break, he/she would have the conference tickets for free.
The balance would be paid by Blue/Gold fun.
I think it might create new fans.
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As a recent graduate, all of these points seem spot-on.
In addition, as a former employee of the Athletic Department, I can attest to the Department not making it a priority. Despite numerous inquiries to all the right people (I was an undergrad (therefore not much pull), but also the only non-athlete year-round employee (i.e. the presumed source to function as a liaison to the student body)), the notion of improving the student section was never a very big deal. Rather than excitement that someone (me) was willing to do all the work off the clock, my requests were always met with slew of stats to demonstrate why we didn't need improvement (i.e. "we already have the largest student section in the country per undergrad enrollment," or, "we're already top 10 in the country in attendance.")
Long story short, improving the student section, at least improvement sparked by the Athletic Department, is costly. There's no financial motivation to do so. Without Buzz spearheading the movement (see Tom Crean), it will have to be a grassroots effort without school funding or support.
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Versus back-in-the day:
1. The campus was more of a hub point around the social life. Downtown was dead after 5PM. We were happy to get out. Today it is reversed.
2. Demand outpaced supply. There was a smaller arena and less games. Students had half-season tickets that you had to camp out for. You went.
3. National Tournament appearances and wins moved everything up a level (NIT, F2 and National Championship). Also, the Bucks had Alcindor and won a World Championship. The Badgers sucked. I know donors today who never attended MU but bought season tickets because of Al. He made Milwaukee Big Time when the beer industry was dying...and he stayed.
4. Social unrest...being a Warrior meant more than a nickname. For students and players as led by Al, it was them against the establishment...aka Adoph Rupp and segregation. With friends going off to war to fight and die, it was more about celebrating the moment versus establishing your career.
5. Home winning streaks were personal missions to be defended to death by players and fans alike. Today it is a shoulder shrug.
6. Home games were an event. Toilet paper, Willie's dance, Al's Technicals, crazy uniforms, the Hamm's anthem. Student cheers taunted the alums in the seats as much as the opposing team. Vulgarity was tolerated. Smoking and unlimited drinking were allowed. Home and homes with arch rivals made every game matter, and the coaches played to the crowds.
7. No undergrad night classes or labs.
8. No shuttles back in the day. With the 18 year old drinking age, pub crawls and jay walking tickets/arrests were part of the fun.
9. MU was more of a commuter school...so those living at home needed to get out.
10. I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums. Not even close. At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level. Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.
11. Parents are more apt to attend today with their kids...including students. It was an adult environment back in the day so more things were tolerated. With social media today, craziness is captured and shared forever.
12. No other big time sports...hell, women's sports didn't even exist. Hoops was it.
Each era is different...enjoy it as even today at reunions people talk hoops and not business. MU games then and now is a kick-ass environment. That is why so many of us value Buzz....we had it, lost it, and got it back. Let's not lose it again.
1. Downtown is still dead. Deader than ever.
3. Beer industry dying? probably still thinking about downtown in general.
4. Higher education is more "the establishment" than ever today
5. Countless students DIED defending home winning streaks. DEATH. Warriors was more than a nickname!
8. I drink a lot and break the law ALL THE TIME!
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What if there was a deal whereby a Student bought a "fanatics pass for $50, got us pass punched for attending all regular season games prior to the break, he/she would have the conference tickets for free.
The balance would be paid by Blue/Gold fun.
I think it might create new fans.
I am sure that there would be an issue with spending money earmarked for scholarships on student basketball tickets.
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I saw only 25 students at the Big East soccer game. Man they are lazy. How could that sport not be the center of your lives during college.
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I also feel the off-the-court issues has hurt the mood around campus. Definitely turned off a few casual fans/students.
This I understand to a point but in college athletics there's always been issues. When I was in school, the starting center assaulted and nearly raped a girl on a billiards table at the pub and of course it put off other students but they still went to games even after he got off lightly.
This is a single incident amongst all the typical drunken shenanigans and pretty boy behavior that went on but I was never so righteous in thinking that it turned me off from attending, literally, the only game in town for a Marquette student. It was always a fun two hours of drinking with my buddies regardless of the clowns on the court.
As for the people who wrote about kids not going because they have other things to do, what are those things? (Besides attending a lecture or studying for an exam or doing a copy/paste of whatever Wikipedia entry they can)
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This I understand to a point but in college athletics there's always been issues. When I was in school, the starting center assaulted and nearly raped a girl on a billiards table at the pub and of course it put off other students but they still went to games even after he got off lightly.
This is a single incident amongst all the typical drunken shenanigans and pretty boy behavior that went on but I was never so righteous in thinking that it turned me off from attending, literally, the only game in town for a Marquette student. It was always a fun two hours of drinking with my buddies regardless of the clowns on the court.
As for the people who wrote about kids not going because they have other things to do, what are those things? (Besides attending a lecture or studying for an exam or doing a copy/paste of whatever Wikipedia entry they can)
Honestly, this economy sucks if you don't have top grades. Most people I know at the college level are scared to death about being one of those out in the cold by graduation. In the grand scheme, supporting your future seems a hell of a lot more important than a game against South Florida. I get it, you were able to take breaks and balance things... but today balancing your life means "doing every activity I can to make myself standout as a job applicant and ignoring most other things." I'm not saying this is everyone, but colleges are much more about creating earning power than enjoyment it is starting to seem.
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Versus back-in-the day:
1. The campus was more of a hub point around the social life. Downtown was dead after 5PM. We were happy to get out. Today it is reversed.
2. Demand outpaced supply. There was a smaller arena and less games. Students had half-season tickets that you had to camp out for. You went.
3. National Tournament appearances and wins moved everything up a level (NIT, F2 and National Championship). Also, the Bucks had Alcindor and won a World Championship. The Badgers sucked. I know donors today who never attended MU but bought season tickets because of Al. He made Milwaukee Big Time when the beer industry was dying...and he stayed.
4. Social unrest...being a Warrior meant more than a nickname. For students and players as led by Al, it was them against the establishment...aka Adoph Rupp and segregation. With friends going off to war to fight and die, it was more about celebrating the moment versus establishing your career.
5. Home winning streaks were personal missions to be defended to death by players and fans alike. Today it is a shoulder shrug.
6. Home games were an event. Toilet paper, Willie's dance, Al's Technicals, crazy uniforms, the Hamm's anthem. Student cheers taunted the alums in the seats as much as the opposing team. Vulgarity was tolerated. Smoking and unlimited drinking were allowed. Home and homes with arch rivals made every game matter, and the coaches played to the crowds.
7. No undergrad night classes or labs.
8. No shuttles back in the day. With the 18 year old drinking age, pub crawls and jay walking tickets/arrests were part of the fun.
9. MU was more of a commuter school...so those living at home needed to get out.
10. I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums. Not even close. At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level. Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.
11. Parents are more apt to attend today with their kids...including students. It was an adult environment back in the day so more things were tolerated. With social media today, craziness is captured and shared forever.
12. No other big time sports...hell, women's sports didn't even exist. Hoops was it.
Each era is different...enjoy it as even today at reunions people talk hoops and not business. MU games then and now is a kick-ass environment. That is why so many of us value Buzz....we had it, lost it, and got it back. Let's not lose it again.
I was a few years ahead of you Doc - class of 70, but except for the 18 year old drinking age (21 in my day, though it didn't slow us down much) your experience mirrors my own. You're
right that every era is different (and worthwhile) but those of us lucky enough to have been to the mountain top with Al are, not coincidently, the ones who see Buzz as the first and only guy since who can take us there again.
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Give your kids my number, i'll glady go with them.
Nothing creepy about this.
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As eloquently as Evil and Lenny Man have expressed it, the youngans have no idea what it meant to breathe and live as a Warrior back in the day.
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Let's not lose it again.
This is part of it, isn't it? With only 1/8 of the student body showing up for USF, there's a concern that the lack of interest by current students will lead to a lack of financial support for the program down the road?
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What if there was a deal whereby a Student bought a "fanatics pass for $50, got us pass punched for attending all regular season games prior to the break, he/she would have the conference tickets for free.
The balance would be paid by Blue/Gold fun.
I think it might create new fans.
Except the Blue & Gold Fund doesn't pay for all the scholarships that the NCAA allows MU to provide. With the addition of lacrosse, it's $2 million under.
And in this year's case, attending four games gets you seven for free.
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10. I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums. Not even close. At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level. Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.
I don't buy that MU has one of the top game environments today, much less it not even being close.
I was at the SFU game and the crowd was very lame, outside of the students who were the only ones to make any noise except for during a few random instances. While watching the Seton Hall and Providence games i noticed a lot of the same sit on their hands deal except for when the bat came out to make the non-students actually get off their seats and not behave like it was a golf match.
When i watch many other teams play though on TV, i'll often see most or all of the crowd making noise on plays which aren't just dunks or a big play late in the game. I understand that SFU, Seton Hall, and Providence aren't marquee matchups, but i sure hope Buzz didn't have any recruits in attendance for those games because the atmosphere inside the arena was hardly impressive except for the students.
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As eloquently as Evil and Lenny Man have expressed it, the youngans have no idea what it meant to breathe and live as a Warrior back in the day.
That cuts both ways. You also have no idea what it is to breathe and live as a Golden Eagle today. Neither do I. Things change, and there's no point whining on a message board about what we can't change. The student section is currently getting pretty well engaged. We play in a NBA arena that even as we hope for a replacement is better than 98% of the D1 arenas. We draw roughly double the undergrad population to our games.
I think the star identity problem is plausible. Davante is turning into a favorite and has great support among those attending. The Amigos, Jimmy and Lazar were had great student fans and even Rob Frozena held the students to the last minute.
So no one complained about student attendance from 2005-2012 when Jae and DJO left? Us old-timers will always complain about the current student section, even if Looney and Diamond Stone commit, play 4 years, and bring us back to winning the NCAA Championship.
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I agree it is laziness. My son is freshman and none of his buddies wanted to go on Monday night. He has only been to a few games and really comes down to kids being lazy IMO.
All you guys that say it is laziness are 100% wrong. The problem is you have unrealistic expectations.
First we need a benchmark to measure the students. Some stories so you can get your expectations correct:
http://dukechronicle.com/article/low-attendance-forces-duke-athletics-sell-student-seats
January 24, 2012
"Student attendance at men’s basketball games has fallen consistently over the last five years, even dropping after Duke won its fourth national championship in 2010. This season, approximately 650 undergraduates have attended each game, 150 fewer than during the 2008-09 season. As a result, Duke Athletics has begun to sell an increasing number of general admission tickets in the student section on a regular basis."
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3897386
February 11, 2009
The NCAA promises not to bust a budget or a bracket when March Madness arrives. The recession has some schools scrambling to fill budget holes and seats. Last month, The Associated Press reported Stanford University projects a $5 million shortfall over the next three years and is considering reducing its staff. At Indiana, athletic director Fred Glass has reduced ticket costs for balcony seating to $5, hoping to improve slipping attendance.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/preview2012/story/_/id/8576032/indiana-hoosiers-ready-see-match-lofty-expectations-season-men-college-basketball
November 5, 2012
Where once the athletic department offered upper-deck tickets for $5 to fill Assembly Hall, home games now have long been sold out. Where once disillusioned students accounted for only 4,000 tickets, they now take 12,000 seats.
MU student section is 3,600, undergrad enrollment is 8,400. Fact is other than maybe Creighton, MU has about the largest student section as a percentage of its undergraduate enroll (43%) in the country. (for comparison, 43% of UW student enrollment is 19,000, the Kohl center seats 17,000 and maybe 1/3 to 1/2 is students.)
If you want a "Duke like" student section, I suggest we fire Buzz, join the Horizon league and play in the AL. Sell all but 500 tickets to students and then admit only those that really want to go to the game (just like Duke does).
Or, you donate $1 billion to the MU endowment so MU can run the enrollment up to 30,000.
What I'm saying is the participation and excitement for basketball among the students is great. Those that do not know this are speaking from ignorance about what is happening elsewhere.
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Need to compare to BB only schools. Badgers get great turn out for football and competing hockey. seats for hockey and BB are often available only on a lottery basis. Just saying, our attendance is down and sporadic. Maybe not worth it but you can market your way out of it. Why not give a couple thousand seats away to deserving grade school and high school families to expose them to the experience and create a new fan base.
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Why not give a couple thousand seats away to deserving grade school and high school families to expose them to the experience and create a new fan base.
I believe they do that now.
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It's all the same reasons why some NFL teams are worried about attendance: Watching a game from home is becoming more and more appealing.
Watching a game from your couch on a giant flat-screen HD TV in your climate-controlled living room while drinking a $10 six-pack of beer and being able to flip to other games during commercials is a lot more appealing to some people than braving the elements, paying to park, moving through the masses to your seat and watching a game from one vantage point with limited replays.
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Honestly, this economy sucks if you don't have top grades.
LOl at the top grades part. Rarely if ever do employers want to take a look at your college transcript.
If you plan on going to law school, medical school, or some sort of major academic field than than yes your grades matter a lot. But for most people it using your connections which you are more likely to do rubbing elbows with alumni at a basketball game than studying an extra 2 hours for a bio-chem test
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LOl at the top grades part. Rarely if ever do employers want to take a look at your college transcript.
If you plan on going to law school, medical school, or some sort of major academic field than than yes your grades matter a lot. But for most people it using your connections which you are more likely to do rubbing elbows with alumni at a basketball game than studying an extra 2 hours for a bio-chem test
Not in my field, at least straight out of school. The top employers used your GPA to weed out the field, and then went from there.
And I was going to say that no student rubs elbows with potential employers in the student section, but then I thought of all of my fellow MU students who were drunken idiots but are now huge business muckety-mucks. So I guess you never know....
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Personally, I think the student section is fine. We are a small-ish school that plays in an arena off campus. Not every student wants to be out late on a weeknight watching us play a mediocre opponent. I think they bring pretty good energy.
To me, its the "adult section" that needs to step it up a bit. The upper level has been pretty sparse this year.
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Not in my field, at least straight out of school. The top employers used your GPA to weed out the field, and then went from there.
And I was going to say that no student rubs elbows with potential employers in the student section, but then I thought of all of my fellow MU students who were drunken idiots but are now huge business muckety-mucks. So I guess you never know....
Word up. Grades are very important to be seriously considered in **our** field.
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Not in my field, at least straight out of school. The top employers used your GPA to weed out the field, and then went from there.
Exactly. The only way my son got an internship last summer...which lead to a job offer after graduation this summer...was due to his GPA, and his GPA in his major, which was used as an initial screening.
When I asked him about other kids in his major (actuarial science), he said that only a handful have offers now. So yeah...the job market sucks. So GPA matters even more.
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GPA potentially matters for your industry but it's not like it's across the board. I have a degree in English - Writing Intensive and I'm a web developer. Not once as my GPA or even chosen major come into play. They always ask, "So what's an English major doing as a web developer" and then after I tell them I've been doing web dev since I was 16, it's my true passion and MU didn't have a web program until my senior year (and by then I could have [and did] taught the classes), I chose English as I'm also a pretty good writer.
If you're in the sciences or want to go on to grad school, grades matter. If you're going to look for a job in marketing, IT, etc, being able to do what you say you can matters far more than what any stupid piece of paper says.
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Exactly. The only way my son got an internship last summer...which lead to a job offer after graduation this summer...was due to his GPA, and his GPA in his major, which was used as an initial screening.
When I asked him about other kids in his major (actuarial science), he said that only a handful have offers now. So yeah...the job market sucks. So GPA matters even more.
From my experience, GPA matters to some extent but networking is, was and always will be, more important. Interview skills are also more important than GPA. GPA might get you an interview but if you can't concisely put into words why we should hire you, GPA doesn't matter.
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From my experience, GPA matters to some extent but networking is, was and always will be, more important. Interview skills are also more important than GPA. GPA might get you an interview but if you can't concisely put into words why we should hire you, GPA doesn't matter.
I agree with that completely. I also think that once you have your first job, GPA doesn't matter much at all.
And I think that's why warriorchick and I mentioned it being used as a "screening process" more than anything.
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Honestly, this economy sucks if you don't have top grades. Most people I know at the college level are scared to death about being one of those out in the cold by graduation. In the grand scheme, supporting your future seems a hell of a lot more important than a game against South Florida. I get it, you were able to take breaks and balance things... but today balancing your life means "doing every activity I can to make myself standout as a job applicant and ignoring most other things." I'm not saying this is everyone, but colleges are much more about creating earning power than enjoyment it is starting to seem.
So it's pretty much academics first, last, and everything in between for kids at Marquette. There's irony in this only because the majority of my interactions with college kids ever since my days leaving Marquette has shown a distinct lack of this concern but perhaps the last two to three years has really changed the young adult population.
The other part of this discussion is the one about a University degree. It's always surprising to me when I meet someone who's profession is directly related to their area of study as more often than not graduates end up working in a field only remotely related to their major/minor. And that's why there are responses here geared more towards networking/luck then grades.
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What's really scary .. really, for the entire economy / middle class america .. is this article: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100414962
A new study finds that about half of all workers with a college degree are overqualified for their current jobs. ... Today, 15 percent of US taxi drivers have a college degree, up from fewer than 1 percent in 1970.
Brutal. Here we are, pumping up college enrollment with $1T in student loan debt .. and half of those grads are working in jobs that .. are beneath their education level.
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Parents and students need to have a better understanding of their skills, and whether or not a four year degree is a wise investment. There is no shame in getting a good associates degree from MATC. You can live a long and happy life, with a satisfying career, with that type of degree.
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GPA potentially matters for your industry but it's not like it's across the board. I have a degree in English - Writing Intensive and I'm a web developer. Not once as my GPA or even chosen major come into play. They always ask, "So what's an English major doing as a web developer" and then after I tell them I've been doing web dev since I was 16, it's my true passion and MU didn't have a web program until my senior year (and by then I could have [and did] taught the classes), I chose English as I'm also a pretty good writer.
If you're in the sciences or want to go on to grad school, grades matter. If you're going to look for a job in marketing, IT, etc, being able to do what you say you can matters far more than what any stupid piece of paper says.
Fellow WINE major... cheers!
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Fellow WINE major... cheers!
Nice!
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From my experience, GPA matters to some extent but networking is, was and always will be, more important. Interview skills are also more important than GPA. GPA might get you an interview but if you can't concisely put into words why we should hire you, GPA doesn't matter.
GPA only matters, if at all, for your first job out of college and beyond that it means nothing. I agree on the interviewing skills also. You have to be ready to answer the "loaded or trick" questions. There's all kinds of lists out there about what questions to expect in an interview and I always pre-fill out my answers (tailored to my experience) and practice my answers as pre-interview prep. I agree on the networking as I always tell people that it's not what you know it's who you know. Where I went to high school, helped me land 3 out 5 of my post-college jobs. I keep my high school name on my resume and when I interview, my former school would come up and I'd find out the interviewee was a fellow graduate. I was definitely qualified for the positions, but the common high school helped me get over the top to obtain an offer.
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Need to compare to BB only schools. Badgers get great turn out for football and competing hockey. seats for hockey and BB are often available only on a lottery basis. Just saying, our attendance is down and sporadic. Maybe not worth it but you can market your way out of it. Why not give a couple thousand seats away to deserving grade school and high school families to expose them to the experience and create a new fan base.
Again we have 8,600 undergrads. Madison has 43,000. We play in a 19,000+ stadium. They play in a 17,000 seat stadium. Madison BETTER have a wait list and have it difficult to get tickets.
If MU had enrollment of 43,000, which also means hundreds of thousands more alumni, the BC would have been sold out every year since 1988.
Fact is MU is the ONLY non-football school in the top 20 of national attendance for the last 10 years. Not Georgetown, Nova, St. Johns, Creighton, etc. Only MU.
MU's student section is 43% the size of undergrad enrollment, one of the highest in the country. 20% to 30% of the students turn out on some random weeknight to watch us play a lousy school (USF). If possible, in Madison would 13,000 (30% of UW undergrads) turn out an a Tuesday night to watch the badgers play Penn State or Rutgers (coming soon!). My bet is no.
So stop with the excuses. Their is nothing wrong with the student section. Those that think their is, please apologize.
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Again we have 8,600 undergrads. Madison has 43,000. We play in a 19,000+ stadium. They play in a 17,000 seat stadium. Madison BETTER have a wait list and have it difficult to get tickets.
If MU had enrollment of 43,000, which also means hundreds of thousands more alumni, the BC would have been sold out every year since 1988.
Fact is MU is the ONLY non-football school in the top 20 of national attendance for the last 10 years. Not Georgetown, Nova, St. Johns, Creighton, etc. Only MU.
MU's student section is 43% the size of undergrad enrollment, one of the highest in the country. 20% to 30% of the students turn out on some random weeknight to watch us play a lousy school (USF). If possible, in Madison would 13,000 (30% of UW undergrads) turn out an a Tuesday night to watch the badgers play Penn State or Rutgers (coming soon!). My bet is no.
So stop with the excuses. Their is nothing wrong with the student section. Those that think their is, please apologize.
Careful, rational thinking is discouraged here.
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UW does not have a wait list for basketball. They used to sell out with season tickets, but they haven't the past few years. Also, their student section is only about 2,000 and their message boards also bash students for late arrivals and lack of attendance.
For Louisville, they have a very large percentage of fans that are not alumni. It's the only game in town (no NBA), so there are a lot of people that are just basketball fans and this is their only option. They draw large crowds, but they aren't necessarily rowdy.
Our student section may have been sparse for USF, but I'm confident they'll bring it for the last 4 games. Also, it's difficult to compare to other places you see on TV. Compared to an NBA arena like the BC, the vast majority of colleges play in glorified HS gyms and put their student section of a couple hundred kids right on the floor, in view of the cameras. Plus, most games you watch on TV are probably one of the biggest games of the season for that school, which is why you're watching it on ESPN or ESPN2, so everyone is into it, and it's not fair to compare to USF on a late Monday night. We could always do better, but we really do have one of the best game-day atmospheres out there (including in the BC and surrounding bar/restaurants), and there aren't many that come close.
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I believe coach has a thought on this topic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-I5rVTaWZ0&list=UUjbANOIkx9gio5f24p4yeEg&index=2
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