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Title: USF thoughts
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2013, 05:31:07 AM
DWilson with a 3?   Who knew?    Juan should absolutely be starting because he is showing maturity and restraint on defense.   JWilson is just going out and fouling.    The good news is that his typical 8 minutes and 2 fouls in the first half is leading to more minutes for Taylor.   Vander has grown and matured.    Buzz referenced in his post game presser that VB had put himself in toxic conditions on and off the court but has grown and matured.   Chris had a really good game.   USF was scared of him.    The call against Gardner was the correct one.   Hopefully, this is a teachable moment for DG, as recently, IMO, his demonstrations of frustration have been overshadowing his play.   Good to see Mayo out there.   He still hasn't found his groove.   Taylor is good and getting better.   He is going to be special.  Nice win.   On to Louisville.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 07:12:06 AM
Lockett continues to puzzle, though.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2013, 07:19:35 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/gameflash/2013/01/28/78875_boxscore.html

Lockett, 10 and 8.   
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 07:30:50 AM
Has not lived up to preseason billing and really got beat badly on that slam. 
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: MU B2002 on January 29, 2013, 07:35:06 AM
This isn't ASU, and he isn't being asked to carry the offensive load. I will take 10 and 8 from lockett every game.  Also He wasn't the only one that got beat on that slam, and btw that was an unbelievable play by Rudd.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 07:47:32 AM
Quote from: MU B2002 on January 29, 2013, 07:35:06 AM
This isn't ASU, and he isn't being asked to carry the offensive load. I will take 10 and 8 from lockett every game.  Also He wasn't the only one that got beat on that slam, and btw that was an unbelievable play by Rudd.
Lots of missed opportunities yesterday for Trent.  but, I'd bet he knows that.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2013, 07:50:44 AM
I was quite pleased with Lockett's play. Lots of little things done well in addition to the 10 and 8. He is growing on me as a steady contributor Buzz can count on. Yes, he is still not a great athlete. And yes, he still is not as good as some of us expected when we heard about the transfer. But there is a reason Buzz plays him as much as he does.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 07:52:13 AM
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2013, 07:50:44 AM
I was quite pleased with Lockett's play. Lots of little things done well in addition to the 10 and 8. He is growing on me as a steady contributor Buzz can count on. Yes, he is still not a great athlete. And yes, he still is not as good as some of us expected when we heard about the transfer. But there is a reason Buzz plays him as much as he does.
and that would be.....?
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: GGGG on January 29, 2013, 07:54:57 AM
Lockett played fine.  Has a couple turnovers early, but generally played good defense, rebounded well, and got to a couple loose balls.  I have no problems with how he played yesterday - I'll take that anyday.

I am really excited by the emergence of both Juan Anderson and Steve Taylor.  Both really played well yesterday.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: madtownwarrior on January 29, 2013, 08:17:33 AM
did you listen to Buzz post-game?  Lockett's minutes are not going to change.

Given the criticism this board, do we have anyone that should be starting?   Besides Jamal Ferguson?   Is Vander good enough for you all now?



Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 07:52:13 AM
and that would be.....?
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 08:31:03 AM
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 29, 2013, 08:17:33 AM
did you listen to Buzz post-game?  Lockett's minutes are not going to change.

Given the criticism this board, do we have anyone that should be starting?   Besides Jamal Ferguson?   Is Vander good enough for you all now?



No. the post game is not carried in New England.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2013, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 07:30:50 AM
Has not lived up to preseason billing and really got beat badly on that slam. 

I assume you mean *your* preseason billing? What did you rate of him prior to joining the program? Were you familiar with his game in Tempe?

BTW, Lockett is hardly the first MU player to be badly beaten on an individual play for a monster dunk. Doesn't equate to him sucking donkey every minute he's on the court.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 29, 2013, 08:56:37 AM
Lockett has not been the player I "thought" he was -- I thought he'd be more of a scorer.  But, I really like the player that he is.  He's a great addition to the team.  Love those rebounds from the guard spot.  I'm not going to hold it against him that I didn't know much at all about him from his time at ASU.  That's my issue, not his.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: jsglow on January 29, 2013, 09:20:35 AM
As Buzz stated in the post game, if Trent could cut down his turnovers by half he'd be among our most valuable players.  His ability around the rim with loose balls is extremely valuable.

Can't say enough about Steve Jr.  The game is coming to him now.  Huge potential and tremendous growth since early December.  Expect consistant 15 minutes a game.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: madtownwarrior on January 29, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
it is here:  http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/

try listening sometime, you may appreciate buzz's insights and get a picture of why he plays certain players...



Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 08:31:03 AM
No. the post game is not carried in New England.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2013, 08:52:27 AM
I assume you mean *your* preseason billing? What did you rate of him prior to joining the program? Were you familiar with his game in Tempe?

BTW, Lockett is hardly the first MU player to be badly beaten on an individual play for a monster dunk. Doesn't equate to him sucking donkey every minute he's on the court.

I dont think that my expectations were much different from on this board.  He was touted as a highly sought after transfer who would add an outside shooting dimension that we sorely needed.  No one said he" sucked donkey" every minute that he's on the court although I do admire your talent for hyperbole and colorful description.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 09:30:01 AM
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 29, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
it is here:  http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/

try listening sometime, you may appreciate buzz's insights and get a picture of why he plays certain players...



thanks man. although, withe the time diff, after already staying up to 11 PM to watch the Warriors, sleep is hard to deny.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: GGGG on January 29, 2013, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 09:28:37 AM


I dont think that my expectations were much different from on this board.  He was touted as a highly sought after transfer who would add an outside shooting dimension that we sorely needed.  No one said he" sucked donkey" every minute that he's on the court although I do admire your talent for hyperbole and colorful description.


Actually he didn't have the reputation as a great outside shooter.  In fact he hardly shot from deep at all when at ASU...averaged only 2 3PA per game last year.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: T-Bone on January 29, 2013, 09:43:36 AM
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 29, 2013, 08:56:37 AM
Lockett has not been the player I "thought" he was -- I thought he'd be more of a scorer.  But, I really like the player that he is.  He's a great addition to the team.  Love those rebounds from the guard spot.  I'm not going to hold it against him that I didn't know much at all about him from his time at ASU.  That's my issue, not his.

Agreed.  That said, I like him out there. 

I like Juan's emergence.  There were a couple times where he was directing the show out on defense - getting everyone to their proper matchup. 

If Steve continues to develop the way he has since the start of the season...  Wow. 
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 09:46:47 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 29, 2013, 09:33:40 AM

Actually he didn't have the reputation as a great outside shooter.  In fact he hardly shot from deep at all when at ASU...averaged only 2 3PA per game last year.
In his final season at ASU he shot .412 from 3 pt. range compared with .286 with us so far.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: TJ on January 29, 2013, 09:47:42 AM
I was very happy with Vander's rebounding last night as well.  I remember Buzz calling him out for his rebounding on a postgame show earlier in the season - he's corrected that well for the last 3 games.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 29, 2013, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 09:46:47 AM
  In his final season at ASU he shot .412 from 3 pt. range compared with .286 with us so far.
I assume since he was only shooting 2 a game, he took wide-open pac12 3's. Maybe he is just being rushed this year? ?-(
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: GGGG on January 29, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 09:46:47 AM
 In his final season at ASU he shot .412 from 3 pt. range compared with .286 with us so far.

41% on 51 attempts.  That's not a lot.

Here is what Yahoo said about him:

"What Lockett did best at Arizona State was attacking the rim off the dribble. He attempted only 51 3-pointers as a junior, but he showed a knack for finishing at the rim, getting to the free throw line or sinking a mid-range jump shot."

That's pretty much exactly what his game has been at MU.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: Big Papi on January 29, 2013, 10:26:12 AM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 09:46:47 AM
  In his final season at ASU he shot .412 from 3 pt. range compared with .286 with us so far.

He took a limited number of 3 point shots.  Also I believe Jake Thomas had better numbers from 3 then what he has shown this year.  Easier to shoot the 3 against inferior competition.  The Big East has big time talent.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2013, 10:27:51 AM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 09:28:37 AM
I dont think that my expectations were much different from on this board.  He was touted as a highly sought after transfer who would add an outside shooting dimension that we sorely needed.  No one said he" sucked donkey" every minute that he's on the court although I do admire your talent for hyperbole and colorful description.

Well, there you go.

You had no idea what kind of player Lockett was for the Devils and therefore had exaggerated expectations coming into the season leading to you being puzzled as to why he's playing the minutes he is playing.

As for MU media stuff, google YouTube, type Marquette Athletics into the search bar, subscribe to the Marquette Athletics channel and you can watch Buzz' press conferences. Anytime you want. And you can still get to bed at 23.01 when the final buzzer sounds.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 29, 2013, 10:31:26 AM
His oggenseive game kind of syptinks, but if you think about it, this team is winning largely because of defense and rebounding, and Lockett is obviously a big part of that.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2013, 10:27:51 AM
Well, there you go.

You had no idea what kind of player Lockett was for the Devils and therefore had exaggerated expectations coming into the season leading to you being puzzled as to why he's playing the minutes he is playing.

As for MU media stuff, google YouTube, type Marquette Athletics into the search bar, subscribe to the Marquette Athletics channel and you can watch Buzz' press conferences. Anytime you want. And you can still get to bed at 23.01 when the final buzzer sounds.

I was wrong to think that as a highly touted player who had shot 42% that he would perform like a highly touted player who shot 42%?  Then I guess all who had those same expectations would be wrong which means pretty much everyone.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: GGGG on January 29, 2013, 11:46:30 AM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 11:36:37 AM
 

I was wrong to think that as a highly touted player who had shot 42% that he would perform like a highly touted player who shot 42%?  Then I guess all who had those same expectations would be wrong which means pretty much everyone.


Do you know what the difference between 41% and 28% is based on 51 attempts?  Six makes over the course of a season.

You are only looking at the percentages without looking at the attempts.  He simply did not have the "outside shooting dimension" that you believed he did.  It is a change-up for him...enough of a threat to keep defenses honest.  It not his primary weapon by any means.

Put this another way...

Of DJO's FGA last year, 42% were from 3.
Jae's was 40%
Todd's was 43%

Trent's was 23%
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 11:36:37 AM
I was wrong to think that as a highly touted player who had shot 42% that he would perform like a highly touted player who shot 42%?  Then I guess all who had those same expectations would be wrong which means pretty much everyone.

Pay attention to Sultan on this misconception. He is using more tact then I would.

And, be sure to visit YouTube.
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: ATWizJr on January 29, 2013, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Pay attention to Sultan on this misconception. He is using more tact then I would.

And, be sure to visit YouTube.
With DJO and Jae graduating and the strong possibility that Mayo might not be returning, the emphasis on Buzz's recruiting turned to 2 guards.  Off guards. shooting guards.  I'm just waiting for the shooting part to have a great shooting day, I guess.   
Title: Re: USF thoughts
Post by: El Duderino on January 29, 2013, 03:40:20 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 29, 2013, 11:46:30 AM



Do you know what the difference between 41% and 28% is based on 51 attempts?  Six makes over the course of a season.

You are only looking at the percentages without looking at the attempts.

A lot of people just don't grasp the full context of statistical data. They instead see a certain number and don't analyze the context behind it.

With only 51 three point attempts, it's kinda like a baseball player with a small number of at bats. A really good 2-3 game stretch can turn say a below average slugging percentage into an above average SLG%.

It generally takes a fairly large statistical sample to get an accurate gauge and remove randomness/luck.
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