Sorry if this belongs in SuperBar, and sorry for stirring up all of the Crean haters, but I couldn't resist sharing this: http://royhobbson.tumblr.com/post/40682987705/the-crean-era-hoosiers-in-flow-chart-form
In other words, Crean has not fixed the flaws he had at MU, he just has better players.
That sounds about right...
Looks like Hoosier fans have TC figured out very nicely.
Coaching intelligence can at times be overstated.
The guy who will end up with the most wins in the college game has played the laziest defensive scheme available. Great players win lots of games.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 16, 2013, 10:58:49 AM
Coaching intelligence can at times be overstated.
The guy who will end up with the most wins in the college game has played the laziest defensive scheme available. Great players win lots of games.
Sure he's no Bo Ryan when it comes to defense, but to call Buzz out for having the "laziest defensive scheme available" is just plain wrong.
I think he means boeheim, the zone
Fess up. Someone from this board did this flow chart.
Quote from: LAMUfan on January 16, 2013, 11:11:44 AM
I think he means boeheim, the zone
I don't see any way Boeheim ever catches K. Three years older than K and will probably retire sooner. I don't think traveling to North Carolina for half his road games will suit him well. I give Boeheim 2 years, 4 tops, before he calls it quits. I think K will be around 5-10 more at Duke.
Quote from: Benny B on January 16, 2013, 11:08:49 AM
Sure he's no Bo Ryan when it comes to defense, but to call Buzz out for having the "laziest defensive scheme available" is just plain wrong.
So well played.
Crean may have set the record for fastest post-game handshake with Bo after the loss last night.
http://btn.com/2013/01/15/tom-crean-bo-ryan-share-hurried-handshake/
Without doubt Too Tan Tommy had diarrhea and was makin' a beeline for the throne.
I blinked. I saw a bronze blur.......
QuoteApparently Tom Crean has been talking to his brother-in-law Jim Harbaugh about postgame handshakes.
Hilarious!
I miss his golden drops of wisdom and retweets of Christian televangelists on my Twitter feed.
Absolutely nothing since pregame hype tweets.
Anyone know if there were some big name recruits in the house?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 16, 2013, 12:16:41 PM
Without doubt Too Tan Tommy had diarrhea and was makin' a beeline for the throne.
Disagree with you there. He had been drinking too much of his new energy drink and needed to piss. Had to stop drinking his Diet Cokes because he'd go through 8 a game and that wouldn't be healthy.
Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2013, 10:35:24 AM
In other words, Crean has not fixed the flaws he had at MU, he just has better players.
People seem to be catching on to this fact...
"5. I'm going to start grouping Indiana and NC State together, because I'm notice a lot of similarities. One, both teams wear red. Two, both teams struggled against weak opponents (Northwestern, Clemson) on Sunday. Three, both have shown flashes of brilliant offense that mask an important truth: They're not actual contenders. Indiana is blessed with a very favorable early schedule in the Big Ten, but once February hits, it gets real ugly. That, in my mind, is when the weaknesses will start to reveal themselves. Chief among these is Tom Crean's baffling inability to make mid-game adjustments. I've never seen a Division I coach become so confused by a 1-3-1 defense, like when Northwestern unleashed it on Sunday. It came shockingly close to costing the Hoosiers a road win. As for State ... well, the ACC is pretty awful, so they could dodge the reckoning for a while despite a shaky defense. But UNC is on the horizon, and I can already feel the inferiority complex start to swell ..."
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/48092/the-hardcourt-shuffle-that-old-butler-magic-cuse-is-in-the-house
We all know he's going to be the biggest disappointment in the family in 2 weeks.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 21, 2013, 12:49:36 PM
People seem to be catching on to this fact...
"5. I'm going to start grouping Indiana and NC State together, because I'm notice a lot of similarities. One, both teams wear red. Two, both teams struggled against weak opponents (Northwestern, Clemson) on Sunday. Three, both have shown flashes of brilliant offense that mask an important truth: They're not actual contenders. Indiana is blessed with a very favorable early schedule in the Big Ten, but once February hits, it gets real ugly. That, in my mind, is when the weaknesses will start to reveal themselves. Chief among these is Tom Crean's baffling inability to make mid-game adjustments. I've never seen a Division I coach become so confused by a 1-3-1 defense, like when Northwestern unleashed it on Sunday. It came shockingly close to costing the Hoosiers a road win. As for State ... well, the ACC is pretty awful, so they could dodge the reckoning for a while despite a shaky defense. But UNC is on the horizon, and I can already feel the inferiority complex start to swell ..."
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/48092/the-hardcourt-shuffle-that-old-butler-magic-cuse-is-in-the-house
The same Shane Ryan that picked NC State as #4 in the country and said Duke would be outside the top 10 back in November when the season started?
Here was his evaluation of Duke: "Duke is ranked no. 8, second to the Wolfpack in the ACC, but I'm expecting something along the lines of a third- or fourth-place finish, a semifinal loss in the conference tournament, and a Sweet 16 berth at best."
LOL
That Shane Ryan...he knows hoops. ::)
My nephew covers Northwestern and sent me the video of TC's post game press conference. TC got very chippy with the a couple of questions 4 minutes in, folded up his papers and said good bye.
Man has some thin skin.....
NC State did roll Duke head to head, so he isn't completely wrong. I watched the IU-Northwestern game with some impartial observers. As soon as Northwestern went to their 1-3-1, I called their run and IU's struggles. I also predicted that IU would hold on. My co-workers were impressed. Crean is a good coach and I am glad that MU had him. He is getting better players now and has a deeper, more balanced roster than he did at MU, but I have yet to see anything that convinces me that he has gotten better in-game.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 21, 2013, 03:09:29 PM
My nephew covers Northwestern and sent me the video of TC's post game press conference. TC got very chippy with the a couple of questions 4 minutes in, folded up his papers and said good bye.
Man has some thin skin.....
Please share this.
http://northwestern.scout.com/2/1259473.html
Mentioned here, too.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2013, 03:19:48 PM
http://northwestern.scout.com/2/1259473.html
Mentioned here, too.
Right near the end, the reporter opines:
Thanks to a detailed scouting report and thorough preparations, Bill Carmody had his Northwestern team ready to play. His decisions were concise and timely—affording the Wildcats a chance.Interesting take. Because early in the column, he had written:
Out of the gates, the Wildcats looked lost. The offense had no rhythm and the team lacked life. They were lucky to trail by just 14 at halftime. But the first stanza exposed what Carmody could do to counter the Hoosiers.OK, so did the Wildcats look lost or were they ready to play thanks to thorough preparations? How "timely" were Carmody's decisions given that he didn't even employ the 1-3-1 until IU had a huge lead?
Yes, I know what the reporter -- a Northwestern shill -- meant to say was that Carmody made second-half adjustments to outcoach Crean, who later got testy with the media and said:
They took advantage of our mistakes. That's what Northwestern does better than anybody in the country.Please. The only thing "Northwestern does better than anybody in the country" is fail to make the NCAA tournament. It is the only BCS-conference school that has found the way to miss the Dance
forever.
I have watched both Carmody and Crean a lot over the years and I've always considered both to be overrated.
I'd take Buzz over both of them put together. Seriously.
Here is the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgsVQQM8jGc
Normal press conference until 4:00 mark then he gets snippy.
Quote from: mumike22 on January 21, 2013, 04:25:34 PM
Here is the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgsVQQM8jGc
Normal press conference until 4:00 mark then he gets snippy.
Any idea what the reporter said for him to get so defensive?
Something about MN and N'western "Clawing back in the 2nd half" was the initial thing that ticked him off around the 4:00 mark. Don't see much in that question to be such an arse...unless your just always an arse in TC's case
Quote from: mumike22 on January 21, 2013, 04:41:32 PM
Something about MN and N'western "Clawing back in the 2nd half" was the initial thing that ticked him off around the 4:00 mark. Don't see much in that question to be such an arse...unless your just always an arse in TC's case
Fish gotta swim, bird gotta fly...
Lenny, are you talking about Crean........ or Chico defending Crean?
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2013, 04:52:43 PM
Lenny, are you talking about Crean........ or Chico defending Crean?
TC - don't you go stirrin' the pot Tower :)
Quote from: mumike22 on January 21, 2013, 04:41:32 PM
Something about MN and N'western "Clawing back in the 2nd half" was the initial thing that ticked him off around the 4:00 mark. Don't see much in that question to be such an arse...unless your just always an arse in TC's case
TC's post game comments can sometimes be interesting. Early this year, after a too close taffy pull against lowly Georgia, Crean couldn't sing their praises loud enough - said they would win 22-25 games this year. Then in praise of Jordan Hulls he said "He'll be playing in the Association next year". When he goes off the reservation and actually says something that isn't total coach speak he's dangerous.
Quote from: mumike22 on January 21, 2013, 04:25:34 PM
Here is the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgsVQQM8jGc
Normal press conference until 4:00 mark then he gets snippy.
Really came off looking like a c0ck and a bully when he interrupted another reporter's question and took a shot at intimidating the earlier reporter. The earlier reporter hadn't asked a great question but it was a perfectly innocuous one. If Crean happens to see a replay of this tape, I hope he's man enough to admit that he overreacted and was out of line. Or maybe he just thinks he's the new Bobby Knight -- sans the titles.
he's just made nobody asked him about his brother in-law's impending superbowl so he can piggyback / attention whore on their success..
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2013, 04:52:43 PM
Lenny, are you talking about Crean........ or Chico defending Crean?
What's it been, 6 years and some of you still can't let it go. Of course, we all know it will be because of the players he has. LOL. The posts can write themselves
Gentlemen, he's a prickly coach, like many coaches...like almost every coach I ever worked for or with. There are exceptions, but they are the exception. It's how they are wired. As for the in game adjustments, I've always found that one interesting. Apparently when his coached teams are trailing at the half or tied and end up winning, no in game adjustments are made. When his teams are up at the half, and they lose, they didn't adjust. Again, the posts just write themselves.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2013, 06:24:36 PM
What's it been, 6 years and some of you still can't let it go. Of course, we all know it will be because of the players he has. LOL. The posts can write themselves
Gentlemen, he's a prickly coach, like many coaches...like almost every coach I ever worked for or with. There are exceptions, but they are the exception. It's how they are wired. As for the in game adjustments, I've always found that one interesting. Apparently when his coached teams are trailing at the half or tied and end up winning, no in game adjustments are made. When his teams are up at the half, and they lose, they didn't adjust. Again, the posts just write themselves.
As a unbiased and uninformed observer, I'm curious as to what TC's record is when trailing at halftime.
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2013, 05:44:29 PM
Really came off looking like a c0ck and a bully when he interrupted another reporter's question and took a shot at intimidating the earlier reporter. The earlier reporter hadn't asked a great question but it was a perfectly innocuous one. If Crean happens to see a replay of this tape, I hope he's man enough to admit that he overreacted and was out of line. Or maybe he just thinks he's the new Bobby Knight -- sans the titles.
Imagine how another fanbase perceives what Buzz did to Jimmy Mac? How soon we forget.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12076.msg107612#msg107612
I'll bet I could name 50 coaches and there are examples from all of them. To Buzz's credit, they are fewer and farther in between because he is LESS of a prick than most of them. But rest assured, almost all of them can be monumental pricks especially when you have a history with one or two of the reporters. Al bit some guys heads off, KO did all the time, Deane did, TC did, and pick a coach from around the country. Howland is world famous for it out here along with Montgomery, etc. Coaches, especially after a game, can be unbelievably dickish even if they won. It's how they are wired. I don't know why this baffles so many people here, it's been going on since the dawn of man with coaches.
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2013, 05:44:29 PM
Really came off looking like a c0ck and a bully when he interrupted another reporter's question and took a shot at intimidating the earlier reporter. The earlier reporter hadn't asked a great question but it was a perfectly innocuous one. If Crean happens to see a replay of this tape, I hope he's man enough to admit that he overreacted and was out of line. Or maybe he just thinks he's the new Bobby Knight -- sans the titles.
It really wasn't that bad. Making something out of nothing.
I literally loathe the guy, but that wasn't bad at all! Geez!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2013, 06:36:39 PM
Imagine how another fanbase perceives what Buzz did to Jimmy Mac? How soon we forget.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12076.msg107612#msg107612
I'll bet I could name 50 coaches and there are examples from all of them. To Buzz's credit, they are fewer and farther in between because he is LESS of a prick than most of them. But rest assured, almost all of them can be monumental pricks especially when you have a history with one or two of the reporters. Al bit some guys heads off, KO did all the time, Deane did, TC did, and pick a coach from around the country. Howland is world famous for it out here along with Montgomery, etc. Coaches, especially after a game, can be unbelievably dickish even if they won. It's how they are wired. I don't know why this baffles so many people here, it's been going on since the dawn of man with coaches.
Sorry, Chicos, the everybody else is a prick too excuse doesn't cut it. Al McGuire was pretty much beloved by the media and the only coach he ever had issue with was the racist Baron of Basketball at UK - and it only enhanced his rep when he stood up to that bigoted bully. As regards Buzz, he took plenty of heat here from me and others for his blow up with Mac. Difference between him and Crean? For TC, being a jag is a way of life - it would never occur to him to apologize for being one. On the rare occasions when Buzz acts out he's quick to apologize - loudly and publicly. Huge, huge difference.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2013, 06:36:39 PM
Imagine how another fanbase perceives what Buzz did to Jimmy Mac? How soon we forget.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12076.msg107612#msg107612
I'll bet I could name 50 coaches and there are examples from all of them. To Buzz's credit, they are fewer and farther in between because he is LESS of a prick than most of them. But rest assured, almost all of them can be monumental pricks especially when you have a history with one or two of the reporters. Al bit some guys heads off, KO did all the time, Deane did, TC did, and pick a coach from around the country. Howland is world famous for it out here along with Montgomery, etc. Coaches, especially after a game, can be unbelievably dickish even if they won. It's how they are wired. I don't know why this baffles so many people here, it's been going on since the dawn of man with coaches.
Chicos:
I have been to hundreds -- actually thousands -- of postgame press conferences. You are right that most coaches can be set off every once in awhile; in fact, I set off a few of them in my time. But very few get annoyed by such an innocuous question. I'm guessing you're right that Crean has some history with this reporter, but I don't know that. Either way, he came off looking like a total jerk while the reporter came away looking like an undeserved victim.
Not that Crean cares. Bullies rarely do.
BTW, I'm not a Crean basher historically. I appreciate what he did to help revive our program, although I never thought he was a great floor coach. I especially appreciate that he hired Buzz.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2013, 06:36:39 PM
Imagine how another fanbase perceives what Buzz did to Jimmy Mac? How soon we forget.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12076.msg107612#msg107612
I'll bet I could name 50 coaches and there are examples from all of them. To Buzz's credit, they are fewer and farther in between because he is LESS of a prick than most of them. But rest assured, almost all of them can be monumental pricks especially when you have a history with one or two of the reporters. Al bit some guys heads off, KO did all the time, Deane did, TC did, and pick a coach from around the country. Howland is world famous for it out here along with Montgomery, etc. Coaches, especially after a game, can be unbelievably dickish even if they won. It's how they are wired. I don't know why this baffles so many people here, it's been going on since the dawn of man with coaches.
He's Baaaaaack!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 21, 2013, 07:02:23 PM
I literally loathe the guy, but that wasn't bad at all! Geez!
Pretty much my thoughts.
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2013, 07:23:17 PM
Chicos:
I have been to hundreds -- actually thousands -- of postgame press conferences. You are right that most coaches can be set off every once in awhile; in fact, I set off a few of them in my time. But very few get annoyed by such an innocuous question. I'm guessing you're right that Crean has some history with this reporter, but I don't know that. Either way, he came off looking like a total jerk while the reporter came away looking like an undeserved victim.
Not that Crean cares. Bullies rarely do.
BTW, I'm not a Crean basher historically. I appreciate what he did to help revive our program, although I never thought he was a great floor coach. I especially appreciate that he hired Buzz.
If you're not a Crean basher you shouldn't have posted. Clearly you are.
That was not bad at all.
Like Chicos said, would you all be shitting yet pants if Buzz told off Mike Hunt in this fashion. Nope, you wouldn't. However, because you saw Crean's nose scrawl up it made you feel something deep down in your loins and you all get upset.
Here I am, defending Chicos.
Quote from: PTM on January 21, 2013, 07:48:37 PM
If you're not a Crean basher you shouldn't have posted. Clearly you are.
That was not bad at all.
Like Chicos said, would you all be crapting yet pants if Buzz told off Mike Hunt in this fashion. Nope, you wouldn't. However, because you saw Crean's nose scrawl up it made you feel something deep down in your loins and you all get upset.
Here I am, defending Chicos.
The word "historically" would imply that he fully understood he was bashing Crean at the present moment even though he generally does not bash him.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 21, 2013, 04:50:00 PM
Fish gotta swim, bird gotta fly...
tiger gotta sleep, bird gotta land...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=791.0
Apparently, I thought Crean was a 'work in progress' as a game coach way back in December 2006. Which is another way of saying the same thing I said in this thread. I don't dislike the guy. He does a lot of things well. I never had any interaction with him. I appreciate all he did at MU. I'm not bitter that he left for IU. I just don't think he has progressed as a game coach since I said that in 2006.
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Quote from: PTM on January 21, 2013, 07:48:37 PM
If you're not a Crean basher you shouldn't have posted. Clearly you are.
That was not bad at all.
Like Chicos said, would you all be crapting yet pants if Buzz told off Mike Hunt in this fashion. Nope, you wouldn't. However, because you saw Crean's nose scrawl up it made you feel something deep down in your loins and you all get upset.
Here I am, defending Chicos.
If I have a negative opinion about something a person did, that means I'm a "basher"? I don't get on every anti-Crean thread and pile on. Nor do I go on pro-Crean threads and rip him just to be contrary. And I never have gotten on Chicos for defending Crean, whom he obviously likes; I didn't do that here, either. What I have said is just what I said here: I am thankful that Crean came to Marquette when we needed him and equally happy that he hired Buzz, whom I consider a superior coach.
Bobby Knight is a bad human being, and I will scream that from the mountaintops. Which makes me a Bobby-basher. I am NOT a Crean-basher, just a guy who happened to have an opinion about him going after this reporter without even being provoked -- he literally interrupted another reporter asking a question to bully a guy who was just standing there. And yes, if Buzz did the same thing to Hunt or any other reporter, I'd express my view that he was unprofessional.
Quote from: PTM on January 21, 2013, 07:48:37 PM
Here I am, defending Chicos.
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Still, the flow chart is pretty funny. ;)
Crean is a douche, this is not a stunning development. Many coaches are douches, unfortunately.
In my personal opinion, I think he has father issues. His father left his family when he was young, I'm sure that tainted the young lad. Told you can't succeed, you're not good enough, etc. You end up getting a chip on your shoulder trying to over compensate. With the coaches I've dealt with, they will almost universally say they hate the press and many fans (KO anyone) because everyone is an expert and they can't wait to second guess you and tell you why you are wrong. They constantly have to defend themselves, their approach, their decisions, etc. They snap as a result. Seen it many times, especially after a loss or a game in which they underperformed.
It is what it is. Generally, I like how Buzz handles the media, he's also still young in the game having only been doing this 6 or 7 years. TC has been at it for about 15. The longer you do it, the crankier you get with the media, fans, etc.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 22, 2013, 09:59:02 PM
In my personal opinion, I think he has father issues. His father left his family when he was young, I'm sure that tainted the young lad. Told you can't succeed, you're not good enough, etc. You end up getting a chip on your shoulder trying to over compensate.
This from the guy who used to call me doctor :)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 22, 2013, 09:59:02 PM
Crean is a douche, this is not a stunning development. Many coaches are douches, unfortunately.
In my personal opinion, I think he has father issues. His father left his family when he was young, I'm sure that tainted the young lad. Told you can't succeed, you're not good enough, etc. You end up getting a chip on your shoulder trying to over compensate. With the coaches I've dealt with, they will almost universally say they hate the press and many fans (KO anyone) because everyone is an expert and they can't wait to second guess you and tell you why you are wrong. They constantly have to defend themselves, their approach, their decisions, etc. They snap as a result. Seen it many times, especially after a loss or a game in which they underperformed.
It is what it is. Generally, I like how Buzz handles the media, he's also still young in the game having only been doing this 6 or 7 years. TC has been at it for about 15. The longer you do it, the crankier you get with the media, fans, etc.
Some actually learn early on to bend over backwards for the media and to use the media. These gentlemen end up getting the benefit of the doubt. Bill Self comes to mind. Pete Carroll. Ozzie Guillen. Lon Kruger. Jim Riggleman. Doc Rivers. Bruce Weber. Lou Piniella. Tony Dungy. Terry Francona. Pretty much every NHL coach. Joe Torre. The list goes on.
Some pretty successful guys. Sure, they could get their hackles up every once in a while, but they usually kept it together. They let the media know they were in charge but they rarely went on the offensive. They certainly didn't interrupt another reporter's question just to try to bully a reporter they didn't like.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 22, 2013, 10:14:59 PM
This from the guy who used to call me doctor :)
You are the good doctor.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 22, 2013, 09:59:02 PM
Crean is a douche, this is not a stunning development. Many coaches are douches, unfortunately.
In my personal opinion, I think he has father issues. His father left his family when he was young, I'm sure that tainted the young lad. Told you can't succeed, you're not good enough, etc. You end up getting a chip on your shoulder trying to over compensate. With the coaches I've dealt with, they will almost universally say they hate the press and many fans (KO anyone) because everyone is an expert and they can't wait to second guess you and tell you why you are wrong. They constantly have to defend themselves, their approach, their decisions, etc. They snap as a result. Seen it many times, especially after a loss or a game in which they underperformed.
It is what it is. Generally, I like how Buzz handles the media, he's also still young in the game having only been doing this 6 or 7 years. TC has been at it for about 15. The longer you do it, the crankier you get with the media, fans, etc.
What a crock! "Crean is a douche" because he has "father issues"? I suppose the way he left Marquette is directly related to how his father left him? All that sideline clapping is to make up for all the times his absent father did not clap for him? He doesn't make halftime adjustments because no one bought him cotton candy at intermission at the circus?
Seriously?
My wife grew up in the 80's in Indiana loving IU basketball and especially Steve Alford and his perfect hair. She still watches as many Hoosier games as she can. I enjoy basketball in general and she knows that if they are on at the same time that we are watching MU and she has to DVR IU, so it all works out. I was at work on Sunday while she watched the IU/Northwestern game at home by herself. I asked her tonight at dinner if she was planning on watching IU/Penn St and she launched into the following rant.
"I like Tom Crean, I think he is a good coach, but when he was at Marquette, did no one ever play a 1-3-1 zone against him? Geezus, during the Northwestern game, they threw that defense on and for 5 minutes it looked like Inidana had never seen a zone before! I mean, they eventually figured it out, but c'mon! It's just a friggin zone!"
I belly laughed for a couple of minutes and thanked her for reminding me why I love her. I then explained by perspective on Crean. And then she said the words that husbands so rarely hear......"You might be right."
Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2013, 05:53:19 PM
I belly laughed for a couple of minutes and thanked her for reminding me why I love her. I then explained by perspective on Crean. And then she said the words that husbands so rarely hear......"You might be right."
Priceless