I think Steve Taylor Jr and Jamal Ferguson should get more playing time in place of Jake Thomas and Lockett. It seemsto to methe they're threats not being utilized because they're freshmen.
Buzz's teams have not had a habit of playing freshman until they have demonstrated that they have the know-how to handle themselves on the defensive end. While I agree that Taylor especially has earned some extra minutes with the way he's played on the offensive end, until they prove to buzz that they know what they are doing on defense I wouldn't expect to see them much.
That's nice. But they won't. Neither is ready to compete game in and game out at this level, certainly not Ferguson. Taylor is fine taking minutes if both Juan and Jamil are in foul trouble, but he isn't ready for 15+ mpg like many seem to hope. And certainly not ahead of Trent, who may not be giving what we hoped for offensively but has been very good in the other aspects of the game.
If Ferguson had shown a grasp of the defense and shown an ability to be a 40% 3 pt shooter, he would be getting more minutes. If Taylor had shown that he grasped the defense and brought it hard every practice, he would be getting more minutes. They both are very talented. But defense earns you minutes.
Hanging at the al?
Jake Thomas has played 10 minutes in the last 3 games combined, and those are not going to increase. He doesn't have minutes to give up because he can't play. He's about the 11th player in a 9 man rotation. Taylor will almost assuredly get more minutes than Thomas the rest of the season.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on January 08, 2013, 03:44:59 PM
Hanging at the al?
Probably the first time that someone went this direction with the wrong forum choice.
So you're saying Lockett doesn't deserve the playing time he gets. He is not the Lockett of Arizona State. He's averaging 5 points and 5 rebounds in 25+ mins. Ferguson averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds when playing over 5 mins but nowhere near 20+ mins. And he played the passing lanes to produce steals. DO THE MATH. Taylor rebounds offensively and plays under control. I think they should get more meaningful minutes like Jake Thomas. How is it acceptable for upperclassmen to play mediocre like Jamil Wilson, but a sin for underclassmen??? IM CALLING EVERYBODY OUT!! M U CAN BE BETTER. PLAY ALL THEIR TALENT! Why do you have to shorten the roster for the regular conference play when you have the talent?
The argument both for and against Steve Taylor Jr is the same one we heard about Gardner two years ago. The stats really like him. He's the second most efficient offensive player on the team, although it's in limited minutes. In fact, despite his limited minutes, Taylor is the fifth most productive player on the team (Gardner, Jamil, Junior, Blue)
Free Steve Taylor!
(Ferguson deserves his spot on the bench)
How can one be called a productive player when you only show up playing mediocre teams. The team needs Jamil scoring as well as his leadership in everythe game. Not those ticky tack fouls he keep committing. You can't play 19the mins., take no shots, and have 4 fouls. Jamil needs to turn on his killer instinct every game to be considered a productive player. Derrick Wilson is way more productive as well as Anderson. Blue needs to show up in second halves. I think Ferguson can join Cadougan in attacking the basket (UNDER CONTROL) after watching his youtube videos. I wish I could see them practice, but I'm in Texas.
Does TV take a week to get down to Texas? Because Lockett and Jamil are coming off their best two games of the year. And while I am sure Steve Taylor will get minutes when his skill set is called for, Ferguson should only see mop up time from here on out.
I'm I the only fan living in realville. Their best games, give me a break. If that's their best then you're proving my point. And there is NO consistency. From the little time Ferguson received, he's been productive in points, rebounds, and steals. All I'm saying is the 4-5 mins. Jake Thomas sees in the first half, give them to Ferguson and see if there's a difference in production because Thomas hasn't defended or scored to the point of deserving time. Just being truthful!!!
Quote from: Billybob on January 08, 2013, 08:28:37 PM
I'm I the only fan living in realville.
If by 'realville' you mean shitsnackscrazyville, yes, so far this season you are the only one living there. However, many will join you once we lose to the BE team that we should easily beat.
Quote from: PTM on January 08, 2013, 08:31:01 PM
If by 'realville' you mean crapsnackscrazyville, yes, so far this season you are the only one living there. However, many will join you once we lose to the BE team that we should easily beat.
DUDE! HE IS JUST BEING TRUTHFUL!
IM JOINING BILLY BOB, IM CALLING EVERYONE OUT.
PTM, YOU ARE ON NOTICE
I thought we'd been over the whole YouTube highlight reel thing. Given that Ferguson is a freshman and there are several players ahead of him on the depth chart he won't see much time. Hopefully he can put some weight on his frame and compete everyday in practice this year, but given his minutes thus far prior to big east play he may not see the floor.
I guess everyone is cool with what we are putting on the floor. So be it. Thanks gor your input. One question: How can anyone say Ferguson is not ready to play if he's never given a real chance to play???? No one wants to face the problems we have. Consistency from the 9 playing. What are your expectation for this year?
QuoteHow can anyone say Ferguson is not ready to play if he's never given a real chance to play????
Trust in Buzz. If you look at playing time for freshman under Buzz they don't get much time, with the exception of one or two players.
However, our team is now deeper at the wing that we have been in years. It's may not be that Ferguson isn't ready to play it may be that there are currently better options.
Earlier, someone wrote that I chose the wrong forum for this kind of discussion. Which forum should I use for debate style questions and comments? Need to know.
MU basketball and related goes in "Hanging at the Al"
Non-MU basketball stuff goes in "The Superbar"
The sub-forum you are in is called 'The Superbar' which is where a variety of different subjects are discussed, but not Marquette basketball here at MUScoop.
If you click this http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?board=2.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?board=2.0), you will be taken to MUScoop's 'Hangin' at the Al', the Marquette only discussion sub-forum.
THANKS DUDE! ! New to the site so I'm still getting schooled. Appreciate the love!!!!!!!
Quote from: Billybob on January 09, 2013, 08:35:08 AM
THANKS DUDE! ! New to the site so I'm still getting schooled. Appreciate the love!!!!!!!
Yes, though the reason you're getting schooled is because you're making such a braindead, mindless, stupid argument that a 4-year-old could see through it. Ferguson is ready to take over the Big East because of what you saw on his YouTube videos? Really? Do you realize that pretty much EVERY SINGLE BIG EAST PLAYER has YouTube videos that are just as impressive?
Wow...he dominated against guys that are probably about half as good as the collective basketball talent on this website. Wow...someone call Buzz, he needs to make a change.
They aren't ready. They simply aren't. If you can't play defense in this league, you will get destroyed. It's why Gardner scarcely played as a freshman. It's why Juan wasn't getting many minutes last year. And it's why Taylor is getting limited time and Ferguson isn't getting any. Maybe next year. But now? Don't be stupid. Lockett is worlds better than either right now. Of course, some people on this site will always look at one stat and one stat only and convince themselves a guy NEEDS TO PLAY NOW!!!!!11!!1!!!!!
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 09, 2013, 08:45:52 AM
Yes, though the reason you're getting schooled is because you're making such a braindead, mindless, stupid argument that a 4-year-old could see through it. Ferguson is ready to take over the Big East because of what you saw on his YouTube videos? Really? Do you realize that pretty much EVERY SINGLE BIG EAST PLAYER has YouTube videos that are just as impressive?
Wow...he dominated against guys that are probably about half as good as the collective basketball talent on this website. Wow...someone call Buzz, he needs to make a change.
They aren't ready. They simply aren't. If you can't play defense in this league, you will get destroyed. It's why Gardner scarcely played as a freshman. It's why Juan wasn't getting many minutes last year. And it's why Taylor is getting limited time and Ferguson isn't getting any. Maybe next year. But now? Don't be stupid. Lockett is worlds better than either right now. Of course, some people on this site will always look at one stat and one stat only and convince themselves a guy NEEDS TO PLAY NOW!!!!!11!!1!!!!!
having a bad day?
Quote from: Billybob on January 08, 2013, 08:28:37 PM
I'm I the only fan living in realville.
Isn't realville just a bit south of Sugarland?
Quit drinking the BREW, brewcity and sober up. I never said Ferguson would take over anything. Just suggesting to gave him more playing time. YOU KISS YOUR MOTHER WITH THAT MOUTH!! It's just a little discussion. Calm down dude. I want the same results you want, just see a different way to get there. WOO-SAAAAA
Quote from: Billybob on January 09, 2013, 01:12:34 PM
Quit drinking the BREW, brewcity and sober up. I never said Ferguson would take over anything. Just suggesting to gave him more playing time. YOU KISS YOUR MOTHER WITH THAT MOUTH!! It's just a little discussion. Calm down dude. I want the same results you want, just see a different way to get there. WOO-SAAAAA
LOL. Way to fire back billybob! Fresh fish with spunk.
(Actually brew really knows his stuff. So I'd not go too far.)
I'm ready for Brew, Beer, and Liquor! Bring them all on. Let's have some MU fun!! Like Bernie Mack said, "I ain't scared of you m%##@%&&!!!! Lol
Did Freeway finally find this site? BillyBob's writing style is very similar to Freeway.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on January 09, 2013, 02:21:50 PM
Did Freeway finally find this site? BillyBob's writing style is very similar to Freeway.
He hasn't asked anyone to be his Facebook friend yet, so I'm betting on this being another little Warthog running around.
Quote from: Bocephys on January 09, 2013, 02:55:12 PM
He hasn't asked anyone to be his Facebook friend yet, so I'm betting on this being another little Warthog running around.
I miss the haikus... :(
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on January 09, 2013, 06:28:12 PM
I miss the haikus... :(
We all miss haikus.
Where, oh where, is the Warthog?
Billybob might know.
Taylor Ferguson
Seeking a haiku from Warthog
The sub is second-rate
We all miss haikus. The Warthog, hey that's a cool name. Might change it. Nope, billybob is better. START SNITCHING!!!!!
Quote from: Billybob on January 10, 2013, 03:15:13 PM
We all miss haikus. The Warthog, hey that's a cool name. Might change it. Nope, billybob is better. START SNITCHING!!!!!
Just don't let Carmelo know you be snitchin'.
Quote from: Billybob on January 10, 2013, 03:15:13 PM
We all miss haikus. The Warthog, hey that's a cool name. Might change it. Nope, billybob is better. START SNITCHING!!!!!
That's really cute how in this forum your topic is "Taylor and Ferguson" and in the other forum you reversed it to "Ferguson and Taylor". What's next?
That's cool, right. Thank you, thank you. Can't believe someone would notice that, CAUSE I DIDN'T! !!! Im sorry
Snitchin is cool if it keeps you out of prison. Snitchin is cool if it kerps you and your community safer. Snitching is cool if your family member got hurt. In conclusion, Start SNITCHING. Keep it REAL!!
Quote from: Billybob on January 09, 2013, 01:12:34 PM
Quit drinking the BREW, brewcity and sober up. I never said Ferguson would take over anything. Just suggesting to gave him more playing time. YOU KISS YOUR MOTHER WITH THAT MOUTH!! It's just a little discussion. Calm down dude. I want the same results you want, just see a different way to get there. WOO-SAAAAA
Just saw this...only been in the Hangin' thread of late.
Quite simply, if you follow this team, you know that freshmen getting time is something that doesn't happen very much. At Marquette, you get what you earn. That includes everything from your practice gear to in-game minutes. What on earth have either of them done to earn time over guys that are more established? And it can't be anything they did in their YouTube videos.
Who is Ferguson realistically going to take time from? Certainly not Blue or Lockett, those two are the guys we count on most for defense and minutes at the wing positions. Blue has been our leading scorer and Lockett has been a fantastic rebounder. Ferguson couldn't carry either of their jocks right now. Jake Thomas or Mayo? Jake's minutes are shrinking and Mayo's are going up, and Jake has a year of experience in the system on Ferguson regarding defense. Who else? Jamil or Juan? Right now, Ferguson is where they were 1-2 years ago. Not ready.
I'm curious, which appearance convinced you he's ready? His titanic 4 points against Mississippi State or UMBC? Or how he lit it up against Colgate? All of those are sub-200 teams. They are bad. Very bad. He put up mediocre numbers against bad teams. And suddenly he's the answer in Big East play, where even DePaul is better than any team Ferguson has scored a basket against?
If we see Ferguson again this year, it will be under one of three circumstances. First, we are blowing the doors off someone and he is playing during garbage time. Second, we are getting killed with no chance of coming back and he is playing during garbage time. Third, we are so depleted by injuries that we go to the 12th man on the bench. With that in mind, I'd be fine with not seeing him again all year, because 2 of the 3 scenarios under which he plays are bad.
Once again you rag on freshmen because they have no experience and aren't ready, but are ok with j Wilson, who shows none of his maturity or big game potential like he showed in Green Bay, like in Hawaii, etc. People say we are deep but how deep can we be if our 10th and 11th player are not conditioned to play mentally. You only get mental toughness through game experience. The physical aspect is there. 4 to 5 meaningful mins per game will not hurt the team, and will build mental toughness making us a truly deep team. But if you like the way it is, I love it. I'll never convince you Brother!