Poll
Question:
Stud of Gerogetown Game
Option 1: Blue
votes: 44
Option 2: Gardner
votes: 100
Option 3: Lockett
votes: 122
Option 4: Wilson
votes: 38
I thi8nk it's Ox.
Dante at the line is the Offense
I was ready to vote Lockett, but his play in the last 30 seconds made me second guess myself.
Blue or Gardner imo
Lockett or Wilson. I'd even go with Junior over Ox.
Ox was dreadful on D today.
edit: We wind this game with D, and Lockett, Wilson and Junior were fabulous on D.
Tough call:
Without Vander in the first half we don't win
Lockett played great until his brain fart foul on the last 3
Jamil made a huge difference in the second half
Gardner was clutch from the line
I'm going to look at the entire game and say (although bound to be unpopular), Lockett. Without him we lose as he had impact on offense, defense, and the boards. A very c
Owe second to vander.
I forgave Lockett. My vote is for Trent.
Lockett. Other than the poor closeout for the foul he was great today!
He's not the sotg, but otule getting the charge with 2 mins to go was a huge play. Way to go big fella!
Quote from: murobrob on January 05, 2013, 03:15:07 PM
I'm going to look at the entire game and say (although bound to be unpopular), Lockett.
his foul on the 3 negates his eligibility
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 05, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
I forgave Lockett. My vote is for Trent.
Yeah... no to Trent. Sorry, but again... if Blue had done that, many folks here would be preparing to run him out of town.
I wont complain with whoever ends up selected.
Defense and rebounding won this game. So people who did a lot of those are high up on the list.
Trent "Blockett" (courtesy of @AnonymousEagle) made clutch plays...yeah, the foul on the 3 pointer sucked, but he lucked out with getting that long rebound...the whole pump thing will be controversial like the whole OT-wrong-way nonsense.
We won this game, though, I don't care what anyone else says. Tremendous hustle.
I wanna give it to Gardner...but really, we needed both of them to win.
My vote goes to Trent for the clutch defense and 10 boards, even though he almost screwed us at the end.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 05, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
I forgave Lockett. My vote is for Trent.
Cuz he missed the FT. That's unforgivable When talking about SOG. That was bad, really bad. I'd go OX, I thought he was solid on D other than not getting back once. He should touch the ball every possession.
Lockett. Yes that was a VERY stupid foul but the double double and tough play all around by Trent. Glad to finally see him step up.
If the vote tallies put Lockett tied with someone else, mark me down for whomever is tied with him. That last play - intent being to fly by or whatever - was simply inexcusable.
Added poll, but Blue is my vote for dragging the rest of the team through the first half
Lockett
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2013, 03:22:22 PM
Added poll, but Blue is my vote for dragging the rest of the team through the first half
If Lockett does win SOG, please add something about "1 really, really stupid play that almost blew it" to his stat line.
What about the whole team? The looks inside were minimal at best, the whole team played great D! I still
think we could have made it much easier on ourselves, and Vander has really matured getting us going when we had nothing.
I'm completely surprised Lockett is running away with this early. 10 of our 20 first half points were by Blue gutting it out!
I did predict a few weeks ago that Lockett would win a game for MU.
Nice time for it to happen. MU's road to 10 conference wins just got alot easier.
Blue, Ox, J. Wilson -- honorable mention. Lockett (by the slimmest of margins) SOTG. Love the rebounding and finally some offense.
Gardner, Lockett a close second.
Quote from: keefe on January 05, 2013, 03:18:06 PM
his foul on the 3 negates his eligibility
I disagree - one bad play can't rule out an otherwise great 40 minutes.
Quote from: MUFlutieEffect on January 05, 2013, 03:35:39 PM
I disagree - one bad play can't rule out an otherwise great 40 minutes.
Unless, of course, Georgetown hits all 3 and we go on to lose in OT... ::)
Quote from: MUFlutieEffect on January 05, 2013, 03:35:39 PM
I disagree - one bad play can't rule out an otherwise great 40 minutes.
I don't know if Lockett played a *great* 40 min. And situational awareness should, count. You don't foul a 3 pt shot down 3 in the least few seconds.
And Lockett's rebound on the third FT sealed the game. He's my vote.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 05, 2013, 03:38:18 PM
And Lockett's rebound on the third FT sealed the game. He's my vote.
Silly, he caused those free throws!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2013, 03:38:04 PM
I don't know if Lockett played a *great* 40 min. And situational awareness should, count. You don't foul a 3 pt shot down 3 in the least few seconds.
Exactly. It's your poll - you *can* DQ Lockett, you know ;)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2013, 03:39:43 PM
Silly, he caused those free throws! Ok, You can all vote for him, but unless another mod beats me to it, he can't win SOTG.
GOOD!!! Thank you!! ;D
Jamil. His jumpers in the 2nd half were HUGE. A close second to Vander, Davante and Lockett.
Lockett can't win after that play unless he has a run away game otherwise. I vote Vander for the big first half.
LOCKETT!
I voted Gardner but could live with Blue or JWilson.
Gardner, Jamil, Lockett, and Blue in that order. But it is very close and there is a case to be made for all of them.
Quote from: MARQ_13 on January 05, 2013, 03:55:46 PM
Gardner, Jamil, Lockett, and Blue in that order. But it is very close and there is a case to be made for all of them.
ox
I think it's has to be Gardner, Lockett's foul was unbelievable and Blue had two bad TO's in the last 2 minutes. I will say that was Lokett's best game of the year, up until that foul he played he'll of a game.
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 05, 2013, 03:57:47 PM
ox
Why does everyone harp on Jr's TOs and Lockett's foul, but give Gardner a free pass on horrible defense. The last few games he hasn't rotated for help D, is late getting down the floor (gave them 5 points by my count today).
I realize he is great on Offense and a hell of a FT shooter, but we won this game on D.
Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2013, 04:02:51 PM
Why does everyone harp on Jr's TOs and Lockett's foul, but give Gardner a free pass on horrible defense. The last few games he hasn't rotated for help D, is late getting down the floor (gave them 5 points by my count today).
I realize he is great on Offense and a hell of a FT shooter, but we won this game on D.
Because he scores. He is terrible on defense...a little better than last year but still not good at all.
I can't believe so many voted for Lockett. He made the most boneheaded play of the game. Nothing he did can make up for trying to give GTown the game on a silver platter.
Ox was a beast, again. SOTG.
Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2013, 04:02:51 PM
Why does everyone harp on Jr's TOs and Lockett's foul, but give Gardner a free pass on horrible defense. The last few games he hasn't rotated for help D, is late getting down the floor (gave them 5 points by my count today).
I realize he is great on Offense and a hell of a FT shooter, but we won this game on D.
I think Gardner has played better defense that O'Tule as of late. (UConn and GTown Games) Watching Ox hedge on the ball screens, he usually pushes the ball handler back towards half court whereas O'Tule kind of half-ass shows help and allows for more open looks off the screen.
I think in the LSU or Badger game the commentators even commented on how active Gardner was on Defense...I think he's getting much better and more active.
Back to the topic...I vote Ox
Quote from: muarmy81 on January 05, 2013, 04:08:21 PM
I think Gardner has played better defense that O'Tule as of late. (UConn and GTown Games) Watching Ox hedge on the ball screens, he usually pushes the ball handler back towards half court whereas O'Tule kind of half-ass shows help and allows for more open looks off the screen.
I think in the LSU or Badger game the commentators even commented on how active Gardner was on Defense...I think he's getting much better and more active.
Back to the topic...I vote Ox
Against LSU and UW, he was fine, the last two games have been dreadful. I'm sorry but Defense is half the game, and if you are terrible on D, you can't get a SOTG.
ban anyone who votes lockett...a senior, fouling a 3pt shooter, after the realease. he's lucky the 3rd freethrow (thanks buzz)...let alone the 3pt shoot itself. he's as good as anyone on mu at turning his back to his man, and the shooter never even should have had that look as lockett didn't show help...just got caught in limbo and lost his man...which accounted for his pathetic close-out.
Forgetful, it can't be Lockett because of the boneheaded play at the end. It can't be Blue because he did nothing in the second half and made an idiotic charge at the end. It can't be JWilson, because he was passive on offense the entire first half and the last 5 minutes of the game. It can't be Ox because of erratic defense and FT shooting down the stretch. Nobody played an error free, complete game. Ya gotta pick somebody.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2013, 04:13:34 PM
Forgetful, it can't be Lockett because of the boneheaded play at the end. It can't be Blue because he did nothing in the second half and made an idiotic charge at the end. It can't be JWilson, because he was passive on offense the entire first half and the last 5 minutes of the game. It can't be Ox because of erratic defense and FT shooting down the stretch. Nobody played an error free, complete game. Ya gotta pick somebody.
I vote Lockett, they all screwed up, as you sum up nicely. But Lockett played great D, except for one play, had a key block, and nearly put up a double double. His rebounding is a key reason we won the game.
Lockett, then Wilson (D and rebounding) then distantly Blue, Gardner/Junior.
Gardner, in the clutch, made two foul shots.
In the clutch Lockett's three shot foul almost cost the Warriors the game at the end. Blue, in the clutch, turned the ball over on a set play coming out of time out.
Gardner won the game, while Lockett and Blue almost lost it.
Regardless, a great (albeit ugly) game. Compliments to the Warriors for a big, big team win.
Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2013, 04:02:51 PM
Why does everyone harp on Jr's TOs and Lockett's foul, but give Gardner a free pass on horrible defense. The last few games he hasn't rotated for help D, is late getting down the floor (gave them 5 points by my count today).
I realize he is great on Offense and a hell of a FT shooter, but we won this game on D.
he D is fine, and he hustles down the court. hard to know what buzz is telling him regarding crashing the offensive boards, and what mu's transition D is supposed to be doing. he had 7 rebounds, and created a lot of other rebounds for teamates with good box-outs and amazing hands. he doesn't loose his man on D...and that's more than can be said for lockett.
Will all people who have never committed a bad foul in a Division 1 basketball game please raise their hands.
Now those of you with your hands raised.....put them down if you never played D1 hoops.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 05, 2013, 04:17:25 PM
he D is fine, and he hustles down the court. hard to know what buzz is telling him regarding crashing the offensive boards, and what mu's transition D is supposed to be doing. he had 7 rebounds, and created a lot of other rebounds for teamates with good box-outs and amazing hands. he doesn't loose his man on D...and that's more than can be said for lockett.
You must have been watching a different game then.
As for not losing your man. True, but he has responsibilities in help D that he does not fulfill at all.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2013, 04:13:34 PM
Forgetful, it can't be Lockett because of the boneheaded play at the end. It can't be Blue because he did nothing in the second half and made an idiotic charge at the end. It can't be JWilson, because he was passive on offense the entire first half and the last 5 minutes of the game. It can't be Ox because of erratic defense and FT shooting down the stretch. Nobody played an error free, complete game. Ya gotta pick somebody.
Sorry but this makes very little sense. If nobody played that well, and you gotta pick somebody, then I pick the guy that I think had the best all-around game out of the candidates. Lockett.
I disagree with Lockett, but that's just my opinion. My point was to forgetful who said that DG had to be discounted because of poor defense. It was an ugly game. A case can be made for or against any of the 4 players listed. That is all I am saying.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
I disagree with Lockett, but that's just my opinion. My point was to forgetful who said that DG had to be discounted because of poor defense. It was an ugly game. A case can be made for or against any of the 4 players listed. That is all I am saying.
My apologies Tower for the confusion. That was meant to illustrate the point you made much more eloquently, that they all made big errors/mistakes. My opinion was Lockett for the reasons ATL Warrior points out. Best all around game all things considered.
I'll also admit that I am overly harsh on Gardner, mostly because I think he has the potential to be all american, but hasn't got it all together. All big east is not too shabby though.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 05, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
ban anyone who votes lockett...a senior, fouling a 3pt shooter, after the realease. he's lucky the 3rd freethrow (thanks buzz)...let alone the 3pt shoot itself. he's as good as anyone on mu at turning his back to his man, and the shooter never even should have had that look as lockett didn't show help...just got caught in limbo and lost his man...which accounted for his pathetic close-out.
So let's see, Buzz, Homer and Mac all say Lockett. Hmmmm, who knows more, them or you? I am going with their opinion over yours.
Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2013, 04:32:02 PM
My apologies Tower for the confusion. That was meant to illustrate the point you made much more eloquently, that they all made big errors/mistakes. My opinion was Lockett for the reasons ATL Warrior points out. Best all around game all things considered.
I'll also admit that I am overly harsh on Gardner, mostly because I think he has the potential to be all american, but hasn't got it all together. All big east is not too shabby though.
Agreed about Gardner. If he had the same motor on both ends of the court he could be that good.
Lockett. His defense on Otto Porter was fantastic. 9 pts / 10 rebounds. Yeah, he flubbed by fouling the shooter....he got the rebound on the last miss.
Of the others, Wilson also played much better but not as well as Trent. Blue was good too. As mentioned in this thread, Davante's defense left a lot to be desired.
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on January 05, 2013, 04:17:16 PM
Gardner, in the clutch, made two foul shots.
In the clutch Lockett's three shot foul almost cost the Warriors the game at the end. Blue, in the clutch, turned the ball over on a set play coming out of time out.
Gardner won the game, while Lockett and Blue almost lost it.
Regardless, a great (albeit ugly) game. Compliments to the Warriors for a big, big team win.
I agree with your logic. When it's close, you go for who performed (properly!) in the clutch. And that's why I voted DG. Very good effort to win against a top 20 team. :)
Said after UCONN I hoped his play in the OT would turn things around for him. Lockett was a stud today in a very physical game. He gets my vote even with the end of game brain cramp.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2013, 03:39:43 PM
Silly, he caused those free throws!
You're looking at one play in a vacuum. He ripped down numerous key rebounds. He beat the shot clock with his 3 as our offense was floundering. And he made amends immediately for the foul by not only getting the rebound, but by TWICE missing the back end intentionally which prevented Georgetown from getting a last second chance.
Plenty of players make bad plays. Studs of the Game are the type that overcome those bad plays and in the face of them make the winning plays, which is exactly what Lockett did today.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 05, 2013, 05:28:54 PM
You're looking at one play in a vacuum.
Dom James wishes he could have been so lucky.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on January 05, 2013, 05:30:31 PM
Dom James wishes he could have been so lucky.
Or Jerel against Villanova in the BEast tourney. Equally large blunder, different outcome.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2013, 05:52:18 PM
Or Jerel against Villanova in the BEast tourney. Equally large blunder, different outcome.
Or Lazar and the baseline inbounds.
Lockett. Our D when he was on the floor was simply 'shut down'. GTown is a good rebounding team but we out boarded them because of one guy. Add to that was a solid solid shooting night including a tightly covered 3.
Yes, he made one poor play. So did Steve Taylor the game he was SOTG. Had Lockett's foul changed the outcome, we wouldn't have a SOTG. But it didn't and he was the single biggest reason we won.
Big Sheesh
I really wanted to vote for Lockett, but I could not because of the foul at the end. However, if the does not go hard at the shooter maybe the shooter would of made the three. Gardner missing free throws hurt. Blue getting charge hurt. Wilson letting Georgetown player jump pass for a steal to tie the game hurt. Cadougan drive to basket getting blocked also hurt. In teh end I voted for OX.
Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2013, 04:11:06 PM
Against LSU and UW, he was fine, the last two games have been dreadful. I'm sorry but Defense is half the game, and if you are terrible on D, you can't get a SOTG.
What games have you been watching?
All 4 nominees are worthy in their own ways. I voted for JWil. As I think all 4 buckets were big (acknowledging that every basket today was a game winner of sorts), and those mid range jumpers are so important in our struggle to break the zone.
That final free-throw by Trent was missed on purpose. Because if he made it, that would have stopped the clock, and gave GTown an inbound pass and a chance to move the ball down. He missed it because that gives a rebound and as soon as the ball gets touched, the game time goes. So the odds of someone rebounding and getting off a last second shot after a rebound are virtually impossible. He did it on purpose. Give him the SOTG. Apart from that stupid foul, this was his best game in an MU jersey.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 05, 2013, 07:10:31 PM
That final free-throw by Trent was missed on purpose. Because if he made it, that would have stopped the clock, and gave GTown an inbound pass and a chance to move the ball down. He missed it because that gives a rebound and as soon as the ball gets touched, the game time goes. So the odds of someone rebounding and getting off a last second shot after a rebound are virtually impossible. He did it on purpose. Give him the SOTG. Apart from that stupid foul, this was his best game in an MU jersey.
Ding ding ding
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on January 05, 2013, 03:24:23 PM
If Lockett does win SOG, please add something about "1 really, really stupid play that almost blew it" to his stat line.
It was really FOUR stupid plays for Lockett at the end of the game.
1. He left a 3 point shooter alone up 3 in closing seconds.
2. He fouled that shooter well after the shot, thus not affecting the shot and introducing the possibility of a 4 point play and a loss in regulation, not to mention that the shooter could have made the 3 foul shots and tied the game.
3. He double-pumped on his first attempt to miss the second FT and should have been called for a violation as it is illegal to fake a free throw, which would have given Georgetown one last chance out of bounds with one second remaining.
4. He made definite body contact with the guy who threw the one handed length of the court shot at the end of the game after his deliberate foul shot miss. No ref is likely to call a foul there, but why even introduce the possibility?
SOTG - Hard to pick someone from this game, nobody with 2 good halves, but a lot of solid overall performances. I'd go J Wilson.
All four nominees deserving, but Lockett--even in the bad foul--showed how much he wanted it all game long. Big blocks big rebounds, great example for team. Even the deliberate missed FT had a great knuckle ball effect that was hard to secure. Go Trent.
What really is amazing about this it that Trent would be the 8th Warrior this year to receive that honor!
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 05, 2013, 04:36:41 PM
So let's see, Buzz, Homer and Mac all say Lockett. Hmmmm, who knows more, them or you? I am going with their opinion over yours.
i don't care who you go with...in my mind you simply cannot make that mistake...especially as a senior.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 05, 2013, 07:10:31 PM
That final free-throw by Trent was missed on purpose. Because if he made it, that would have stopped the clock, and gave GTown an inbound pass and a chance to move the ball down. He missed it because that gives a rebound and as soon as the ball gets touched, the game time goes. So the odds of someone rebounding and getting off a last second shot after a rebound are virtually impossible. He did it on purpose. Give him the SOTG. Apart from that stupid foul, this was his best game in an MU jersey.
Uh, the "stupid" play at the end was the foul. You're the only one thinking that *anyone* is complaining about the (intentionally) missed free through.
It's either Lockett or no one. No one played better than Lockett all game even with his brain fart. He's the only one to play 2 halves today (ok, 39 minutes at 50 seconds due to the brain fart).
Without Blue's play in the 1st half, there is not a chance in heck Marquette wins that game. At one point Blue was 4-8 with 10 points while the rest of the team was shooting 1-16. Thankfully Georgetown was not making many shots either in the 1st half, but without Blue we're not even in that game.
Davante was pulled right after a poor defensive effort where he was beaten down the floor. Otule is a much better defender...if only because of his length.
Buzz
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2013, 08:28:49 PM
Uh, the "stupid" play at the end was the foul. You're the only one thinking that *anyone* is complaining about the (intentionally) missed free through.
someone mentioned the free throws earlier in the forum. My bad.
Consider this: With Lockett as the SOG, we will see eight different players get the nod in 11 wins. It would be nice if we had one or two guys who could be counted on at crunch time to be the man, but having such a deep squad is a benefit most teams don't have.
Quote from: 77smooth on January 06, 2013, 11:35:08 AM
Consider this: With Lockett as the SOG, we will see eight different players get the nod in 11 wins. It would be nice if we had one or two guys who could be counted on at crunch time to be the man, but having such a deep squad is a benefit most teams don't have.
Emblematic of the team this year. I think it would be great if a 'Jae' emerged.
Yes and no. There were times last year that the other team was able to stop Jae and DJO and MU looked lost. I like a 9-man rotation. I like balanced scoring and lots of contributors. What I want is for someone on the team to want the ball at crunch time and will a score. Yesterday, in that situation, Vander tried, but he put his head down, carried the ball like a football, and got called for a charge that everyone saw coming at the foul line. I applaud the initiative, but I want him (or Junior/Todd/Jamil) to make better choices there. How about a pull up? How about when the defense slides dishing it to Ox? A 25 ft straight line drive to the rack is not going to work.
I like what what Jamil brought to the table in second half. At times he really looks like a big time stud. We have discussed him to death but I have feeling we might see more of the really good Jamil moving forward. If that happens my overall expectation rise quite a bit.
Quote from: Goose on January 06, 2013, 11:48:34 AM
I like what what Jamil brought to the table in second half. At times he really looks like a big time stud. We have discussed him to death but I have feeling we might see more of the really good Jamil moving forward. If that happens my overall expectation rise quite a bit.
i hope so, and think you are correct. also read on the other board that buzz went to put juan in the game and he declined as jamil was playing so well...much to the appreciation of buzz.
vander has also forced teams to adjust their defense to him...how gtown played him as team in the 1st half was very different than in the 2nd...and that alone created some open looks for the likes of j. wilson.
Well? We're waiting. :-\
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It's not like Lockett is going to be SOTG many times this season. Close the vote and give it to him.
Bump.
I rewatched the game. Lockett had a really great game. I could only see 2 defensive breakdowns on his behalf that lead to Georgetown points, one being the critical foul at the end. He had some great defensive plays including a critical blocked shot. He also had some great offensive plays including the dunk. I have been down on Lockett in other threads but I change my vote, give SOTG to him.
Buzz needs to play Steve Taylor Jr and Jamal Ferguson more. They will be no worse than the inconsistency of the othet players. Thomas gives you 3-5length mins of NOTHING. Jamil acts like he is scared to shoot the ball, turning down wide open jumpers act the top of the key. Blue disappears in the second half of every game compared to his first half production. And, you don't know what you'll get from Mayo game to game. PUT THE ENERGETIC FRESHMEN IN MORE.
I can't in good conscience vote for the guy who fouled someone taking a game tying 3. Lockett had a great game, but I'm voting for Sheesh.
I voted for Jamil because I think he finally showed up. But the game ended at 3 or so 3 days ago and TL is running away with it. What's the deal Rocky? Why the delay in making Trent SOTG?
Besides the late foul, Lockett also had three turnovers. And for all the knocks on Gardner's D, he had seven defensive rebounds and a steal.
Here's the Stats view on each player from the GU game (Net points contributed)
Gardner, Davante 4.5
Lockett, Trent 0.9
Wilson, Jamil 0.8
Taylor, Jr, Steve 0.1
Blue, Vander 0.0
Mayo, Todd -0.2
Anderson, Juan -0.6
Thomas, Jake -0.6
Wilson, Derrick -1.0
Otule, Chris -1.1
Cadougan, Junior -2.2
Ferguson, Jamal n/a
Quote from: Billybob on January 08, 2013, 08:46:03 AM
Buzz needs to play Steve Taylor Jr and Jamal Ferguson more. They will be no worse than the inconsistency of the othet players. Thomas gives you 3-5length mins of NOTHING. Jamil acts like he is scared to shoot the ball, turning down wide open jumpers act the top of the key. Blue disappears in the second half of every game compared to his first half production. And, you don't know what you'll get from Mayo game to game. PUT THE ENERGETIC FRESHMEN IN MORE.
No. They have upside and potential, but Jamal especially isn't ready yet and ST Jr needs a lot of work on defense. They may be big parts of our future, but are relatively small parts of our present.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 08, 2013, 10:15:54 AM
No. They have upside and potential, but Jamal especially isn't ready yet and ST Jr needs a lot of work on defense. They may be big parts of our future, but are relatively small parts of our present.
But they are "energetic," which I think means "look in a hurry because it is still a little fast for them."
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 08, 2013, 08:54:03 AM
I can't in good conscience vote for the guy who fouled someone taking a game tying 3. Lockett had a great game, but I'm voting for Sheesh.
So apparently one bad defensive mistake is worse than a game of pretty spotty defense in general?
Its a team game. Share it 3 ways with Trent, Davante and Jamil (with a nod to Vander for his first half ). Each had a major contributions to this win.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 08, 2013, 10:25:15 AM
But they are "energetic," which I think means "look in a hurry because it is still a little fast for them."
This happens every year. Whether it's Ferguson, Taylor jr, J Jones, E Williams or someone else, our armchair quarterbacks want more of the freshmen and/or bench players. Guess it's part of the human condition to be unhappy with what you have and intrigued by what you don't.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 08, 2013, 10:47:39 AM
This happens every year. Whether it's Ferguson, Taylor jr, J Jones, E Williams or someone else, our armchair quarterbacks want more of the freshmen and/or bench players. Guess it's part of the human condition to be unhappy with what you have and intrigued by what you don't.
There's always a lesson to be taught.
I'm surprised Jamil gets little love. For a guy who's been on a milk carton all season Wilson hit what I thought were three crucial jumpers in the middle of that second half. Then again, stud of the game on this team is a relative concept.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 08, 2013, 10:26:07 AM
So apparently one bad defensive mistake is worse than a game of pretty spotty defense in general?
Shhh, you're not allowed to criticize Davante, he scores points! You're also not allowed to praise Vander for being the steady hand in the first half because "he didn't do it all game".
Ok, not because I voted for Trent (it's quite irrelevant who I voted for), but rather it's been the board's process, the SOG should be a done deal at this point.
Give it to whomever, switch the pic, and move on.
Honestly, leaving it open is disrespectful to whomever was voted for, and makes the voting from here on out seem arbitrary.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 08, 2013, 11:27:33 AM
There's always a lesson to be taught.
I'm surprised Jamil gets little love. For a guy who's been on a milk carton all season Wilson hit what I thought were three crucial jumpers in the middle of that second half. Then again, stud of the game on this team is a relative concept.
Agreed. Jamil was single-handedly responsible for keeping the momentum away from Georgetown in the waning minutes of the second half. They kept trying to go on a run, but Jamil was having nothing of it. Wilson won the game, Lockett gets an ugly save.
So who gets SOTG... the starter or the closer?
Lockett won, If you don't like the results, don't ask anymore just put who you want in.
I'm sure they'll change the picture when they get time. They aren't getting paid to do this crap, relax.
Also, I'm pretty sure rocky gives it to whomever he gives it to. Not necessarily what is voted on.
Also, I'm pretty sure rocky gives it to whomever he gives it to. Not necessarily what is voted on.
Yep. Usually the winner of the straw poll, but not always.
Quote from: PTM on January 08, 2013, 11:42:58 AM
I'm sure they'll change the picture when they get time. They aren't getting paid to do this crap, relax.
Also, I'm pretty sure rocky gives it to whomever he gives it to. Not necessarily what is voted on.
I give Rocky more credit than to think that he would hijack the SOTG. Clearly he's not happy with the people's choice. It wouldn't surprise me if he's doing a conscientious objector bit and leaving it to another moderator to do the unpleasant task of crowning Trent.
I just watched the game again. Good win. Davante is fun to watch, especially in the second half. Blue seems to disappear in the second half. Jamil and Locket looked good except for the 3 point foul. This team has so much talent. There's so many players that you'd think they would score 120 points per game and not 49.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 08, 2013, 03:32:27 PM
I just watched the game again. Good win. Davante is fun to watch, especially in the second half. Blue seems to disappear in the second half. Jamil and Locket looked good except for the 3 point foul. This team has so much talent. There's so many players that you'd think they would score 120 points per game and not 49.
They really can't shoot though. They all have a great deal of talent, but really no one on the team is a lights out shooter.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 08, 2013, 04:45:39 PM
They really can't shoot though. They all have a great deal of talent, but really no one on the team is a lights out shooter.
True.
Gentlemen,
I believe we had a decision in the 2000 Presidential Election more quickly. Does Chief Justice Rehnquist need to rule from the grave? I know, no politics.
Quote from: jsglow on January 08, 2013, 09:11:57 PM
Gentlemen,
I believe we had a decision in the 2000 Presidential Election more quickly. Does Chief Justice Rehnquist need to rule from the grave? I know, no politics.
Karl Rove is still counting the votes in Ohio.
Lockett put the game at risk because of his bone headed foul.
Quote from: jtrash37 on January 08, 2013, 11:32:20 AM
Give it to whomever, switch the pic, and move on.
Honestly, leaving it open is disrespectful to whomever was voted for, and makes the voting from here on out seem arbitrary.
It's always been arbitrary. It's for fun. It's called Stud of the Game.
I find it very interesting how Lockett was carrying around 60% the night of the game, and as the announcement has been delayed, his percentage has dropped 20 points, and it sure seems like Gardner got the lion's share of that. Are there really still enough people voting, and all against Lockett, to make that big a difference? Wish the vote was public...
Just give it to Lockett as he deserves, or don't, and give it to Gardner or Blue or Dylan Flood. It's been over a week that Junior's been up there, and the Pitt game is coming up quick. Someone deserves to have their mug up there for the next 3 days.
Quote from: PTM on January 08, 2013, 11:42:58 AM
I'm sure they'll change the picture when they get time. They aren't getting paid to do this crap, relax.
Also, I'm pretty sure rocky gives it to whomever he gives it to. Not necessarily what is voted on.
Click...click...click....done.
SOG is certainly a fun part of this board; however, an expectation was created and not meeting that expectation is worse than picking somebody that others don't agree with.
Winning is always a team effort and life isn't always fair. This is one of the team's best wins of the year so why play games with it?
Quote from: Badgerhater on January 09, 2013, 09:40:19 AM
Click...click...click....done.
SOG is certainly a fun part of this board; however, an expectation was created and not meeting that expectation is worse than picking somebody that others don't agree with.
Winning is always a team effort and life isn't always fair. This is one of the team's best wins of the year so why play games with it?
Rocky's not been on since yesterday morning. I am sure he will get to it.
Quote from: Badgerhater on January 09, 2013, 09:40:19 AM
Click...click...click....done.
SOG is certainly a fun part of this board; however, an expectation was created and not meeting that expectation is worse than picking somebody that others don't agree with.
Winning is always a team effort and life isn't always fair. This is one of the team's best wins of the year so why play games with it?
Pretty sure you need to calm down.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 09, 2013, 09:08:09 AM
I find it very interesting how Lockett was carrying around 60% the night of the game, and as the announcement has been delayed, his percentage has dropped 20 points, and it sure seems like Gardner got the lion's share of that. Are there really still enough people voting, and all against Lockett, to make that big a difference? Wish the vote was public...
Just give it to Lockett as he deserves, or don't, and give it to Gardner or Blue or Dylan Flood. It's been over a week that Junior's been up there, and the Pitt game is coming up quick. Someone deserves to have their mug up there for the next 3 days.
Many votes for Gardner coming in from Chicago in the last few days..... some of the voters are reportedly still living.
Quote from: PTM on January 09, 2013, 10:12:38 AM
Pretty sure you need to calm down.
Quite calm. Just sitting back eating popcorn while watching the next big blow up about nothing on this board....a blow up that was easily avoided.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 09, 2013, 10:46:51 AM
Many votes for Gardner coming in from Chicago in the last few days..... some of the voters are reportedly still living.
Living? Maybe. Canine? Definitely.
Quote from: Bocephys on January 08, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Shhh, you're not allowed to criticize Davante, he scores points! You're also not allowed to praise Vander for being the steady hand in the first half because "he didn't do it all game".
Why argue with the guy? He's a self-proclaimed "respected poster of long standing" and he refs kids basketball. Obviously his opinion carries a lot more weight than yours. Know your place, plebe!
Quote from: keefe on January 09, 2013, 11:39:04 AM
Why argue with the guy? He's a self-proclaimed "respected poster of long standing" and he refs kids basketball. Obviously his opinion carries a lot more weight than yours. Know your place, plebe!
Evidently, you missed the sarcasm in Bocephys' post and the fact that he was agreeing with Sultan.
Quote from: keefe on January 09, 2013, 11:39:04 AM
Why argue with the guy? He's a self-proclaimed "respected poster of long standing" and he refs kids basketball. Obviously his opinion carries a lot more weight than yours. Know your place, plebe!
Oh look at the cute little puppy humping my leg again!!!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 09, 2013, 11:51:47 AM
Oh look at the cute little puppy humping my leg again!!!
Can you put that in a Haiku? ;)
When are we going to update the SOTG to reflect the Georgetown game?
+10000000
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 09, 2013, 09:45:57 AM
Rocky's not been on since yesterday morning. I am sure he will get to it.
This is the best answer.
There was a bit of delay before that because I didn't really think Trent deserved it.
And even more delay tonight because the wiki didn't have a picture, or even a PAGE for Trent, and you complain about my delay, slackers! (fortunately I found a picture with the Camo uni).
Finally...Trent did have the best line of anyone even though nobody had a good line, and I had a personal preference for Blue for scoring half of Marquette's points in the first half (10). Trent didn't even score that many in the whole game! Nonetheless, best overall stat line to Trent, and sorry if anybody thinks they didn't get their money's worth :P
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 09, 2013, 10:35:45 PM
sorry if anybody thinks they didn't get their money's worth :P
Looks like a little bit got cut off there: "9 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks 31 minutes, "
What's missing? ;D
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 09, 2013, 10:52:24 PM
sleep for me...
Get some sleep, Rocky - and thanks for being a good sport.
The line "1 nearly catastrophic foul" is a low blow. That would have been like including "because he's a freshman and a lot of MU fans don't like Vander Blue" on Steve Taylor's SOG when he won it.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 10, 2013, 09:20:19 AM
The line "1 nearly catastrophic foul" is a low blow. That would have been like including "because he's a freshman and a lot of MU fans don't like Vander Blue" on Steve Taylor's SOG when he won it.
Not really, because the latter of the two statements is exponentially more subjective than the former. Relatively speaking, "1 nearly catastophic foul" is pretty much the objective truth when you look at what happened last time that foul occurred, in that situation, against the same opponent, on the same court, etc.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 10, 2013, 09:20:19 AM
The line "1 nearly catastrophic foul" is a low blow. That would have been like including "because he's a freshman and a lot of MU fans don't like Vander Blue" on Steve Taylor's SOG when he won it.
Over half of the non-Vander SOGs are because of this.