What are scoop's thoughts on the talent coming out of Wisconsin? With Dekker, Thomas, Burton, Wilson, Koenig, Looney, Stone, Ellenson, etc. highly thought of in the recruiting world is this just a high point or has the talent pool improved enough that players like this are to be expected in the future?
Quote from: I don't care on December 27, 2012, 12:18:55 AM
What are scoop's thoughts on the talent coming out of Wisconsin? With Dekker, Thomas, Burton, Wilson, Koenig, Looney, Stone, Ellenson, etc. highly thought of in the recruiting world is this just a high point or has the talent pool improved enough that players like this are to be expected in the future?
Seems to me like they're the future from Matthews, Maymon, Blue, and J Wilson.
Largely timing, but you can hope for more consistency going forward.
Looney isn't good because of the water in Mequon. But there are some things in the state that probably help the youth more than in some other states...
Can't bank on a great crop coming out of the state every year though.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 27, 2012, 09:10:06 AM
"Looney isn't good because of the water in Mequon."
What does this even mean???????
Quote from: I don't care on December 27, 2012, 12:18:55 AM
What are scoop's thoughts on the talent coming out of Wisconsin? With Dekker, Thomas, Burton, Wilson, Koenig, Looney, Stone, Ellenson, etc. highly thought of in the recruiting world is this just a high point or has the talent pool improved enough that players like this are to be expected in the future?
Your list be more impressive if it included Tokoto and Fischer. We could also throw in Mckay for fun.
Quote from: I don't care on December 27, 2012, 12:18:55 AM
What are scoop's thoughts on the talent coming out of Wisconsin? With Dekker, Thomas, Burton, Wilson, Koenig, Looney, Stone, Ellenson, etc. highly thought of in the recruiting world is this just a high point or has the talent pool improved enough that players like this are to be expected in the future?
I wish we had Dekker
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 27, 2012, 11:17:46 AM
I wish we had Dekker
Why? So Juan Anderson could punk him in practice the way he did in the game?
Just kidding ... I like Dekker's upside, too.
I know you are kidding. I thought Dekker was one of the best players on the court. Thought last couple of years he was one of the better players in high school, regardless of the state he played in. He's going to be very good.
He'll be a 45% 3 pt shooter by the time he's a Junior. He has to work on his free throws. I'm guessing 14PPG and 7RPG next year as a Sophomore.
He was UW-madison all the way, we had no chance.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 27, 2012, 11:25:51 AM
I know you are kidding. I thought Dekker was one of the best players on the court. Thought last couple of years he was one of the better players in high school, regardless of the state he played in. He's going to be very good.
He'll be a 45% 3 pt shooter by the time he's a Junior. He has to work on his free throws. I'm guessing 14PPG and 7RPG next year as a Sophomore.
He was UW-madison all the way, we had no chance.
Well, skkrew him then!!!!
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 27, 2012, 09:10:06 AM
Largely timing, but you can hope for more consistency going forward.
Looney isn't good because of the water in Mequon. But there are some things in the state that probably help the youth more than in some other states...
Can't bank on a great crop coming out of the state every year though.
Illinois, which produces more ballers, can be very up and down. Two years ago Illinois had seven or eight top 100 players. Last year it only produced one: Steve Taylor.
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 27, 2012, 12:05:55 PM
Illinois, which produces more ballers, can be very up and down. Two years ago Illinois had seven or eight top 100 players. Last year it only produced one: Steve Taylor.
Ya but there's still a lot more of those players heading to mid majors and even major schools but weren't top 100 players. Whereas how many from WI schools are gonna be playing but just weren't ranked?
Quote from: Jajuannaman on December 27, 2012, 12:01:56 PM
Shocking.
Yeah, I know it's shocking to want the 19th rated national player in the program. I mean, what could he possibly offer.
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2012-final
Quote from: I don't care on December 27, 2012, 12:18:55 AM
What are scoop's thoughts on the talent coming out of Wisconsin? With Dekker, Thomas, Burton, Wilson, Koenig, Looney, Stone, Ellenson, etc. highly thought of in the recruiting world is this just a high point or has the talent pool improved enough that players like this are to be expected in the future?
I think it's been pretty impressive to look back at the RSCI top-100 from Madison to Milwaukee over the past few years:
2005 -- Wes Matthews
2006 -- Jerry Smith
2007 -- None
2008 -- Korie Lucious
2009 -- Jamil Wilson, Jeronne Maymon
2010 -- Vander Blue
2011 -- Jameel McKay*
2012 -- JP Tokoto
2013 -- Deonte Burton, Duane Wilson
2014 -- Kevon Looney*
2015 -- Diamond Stone*
Clearly we didn't come away with all these guys, but this is pretty much our main recruiting area. Obviously we have even more of a hold on the elite Madison players as we've landed all three in the past 9 years. Add in guys like Koenig, Dekker, Krabbenhoft, and Stiemsma and clearly the state is continuously producing high-level talent, though not in huge numbers. But over the 7-year stretch from 09-15, there's at least one guy that at some point was regarded as a fairly elite prospect. It seems like the state is getting better at developing top guys. Not sure it will continue, but looking at this long of a stretch, I'm inclined to believe that it's more likely a trend than just chance.
*
Not RSCI rated, but based on current or projected ratings fit the mold of top-100 talent.
Krabbenhoft is from South Dakota.
nowhere near the amount as Indiana. Maybe if Wisconsin would host a conference tourney, it would improve... :-*
Quote from: indeelaw90 on December 27, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
nowhere near the amount as Indiana. Maybe if Wisconsin would host a conference tourney, it would improve... :-*
Ya but Indy has nowhere near the amount as Illinois.
Quote from: PTM on December 27, 2012, 05:30:38 PM
Teal?
No BagpipingBoxer is from Illinois, and I think he just muffed it. A little ethnocentrism at work.
RSCI year Indiana Illinois
2012 7 1
2011 4 7
2010 5 3
2009 1 3
2008 2 3
2007 6 6
2006 5 3
So basically the two states are a wash, 30-26 over the past 7 years and Indiana only has the lead because of the huge 2012 disparity. Looking at 2013, I'd expect Illinois to edge Indiana out as they seem to have one or two more consensus top-100 guys. Either way, neither state has much of an edge. It's possible that depending on final rankings, Wisconsin could have as many as either Illinois or Indiana this year, with five guys in contention for top-100 status (Thomas, Burton, Wilson, Fischer, Koenig).
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 28, 2012, 08:32:37 AM
So basically the two states are a wash, 30-26 over the past 7 years and Indiana only has the lead because of the huge 2012 disparity. Looking at 2013, I'd expect Illinois to edge Indiana out as they seem to have one or two more consensus top-100 guys. Either way, neither state has much of an edge. It's possible that depending on final rankings, Wisconsin could have as many as either Illinois or Indiana this year, with five guys in contention for top-100 status (Thomas, Burton, Wilson, Fischer, Koenig).
Agreed. Just refuting Bagpiping's post that it is nowhere near close...
Sorry I was going for guys who pan out and make the NBA in which case all time Illinois has 214 to Indiana having 110.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.cgi
Quote from: indeelaw90 on December 28, 2012, 07:50:16 AM
RSCI year Indiana Illinois
2012 7 1
2011 4 7
2010 5 3
2009 1 3
2008 2 3
2007 6 6
2006 5 3
Over the period shown above ...
Indiana = 30
Illinois = 26
Wisconsin = 7
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 28, 2012, 09:25:41 AM
Sorry I was going for guys who pan out and make the NBA in which case all time Illinois has 214 to Indiana having 110.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.cgi
Birthplaces doesn't necessarily mean where they played HS though.
But this underlines what I have always thought about Indiana high school basketball. The coaching is *extremely* good here, and frankly they make players look better than they actually are. IOW, they have lower ceilings. And you don't get to the NBA as a low ceiling guy.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 28, 2012, 09:46:18 AM
Birthplaces doesn't necessarily mean where they played HS though.
But this underlines what I have always thought about Indiana high school basketball. The coaching is *extremely* good here, and frankly they make players look better than they actually are. IOW, they have lower ceilings. And you don't get to the NBA as a low ceiling guy.
Highschool: IL- 243 to IN- 153
Interesting interpretation about the coaching and the ceilings, could explain a lot.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 27, 2012, 02:26:44 PM
Yeah, I know it's shocking to want the 19th rated national player in the program. I mean, what could he possibly offer.
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2012-final
Why weren't any big-name schools in on Dekker? Looks like his offers were from Wisco and a handful of mid-majors. Did the big boys know he was a Badger all the way?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 28, 2012, 09:58:49 AM
Why weren't any big-name schools in on Dekker? Looks like his offers were from Wisco and a handful of mid-majors. Did the big boys know he was a Badger all the way?
Small school...late bloomer...didn't play AAU until later in his high school career. Verballed to UW almost immediately after they offered.
I would absolutely love to have someone with his skill set at MU.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 28, 2012, 09:46:18 AM
Birthplaces doesn't necessarily mean where they played HS though.
But this underlines what I have always thought about Indiana high school basketball. The coaching is *extremely* good here, and frankly they make players look better than they actually are. IOW, they have lower ceilings. And you don't get to the NBA as a low ceiling guy.
Thanks....signed the girls coach at Arlington.... :)
Also keep in mind the population difference between Indiana and Illinois.. Illinois is roughly twice the size
Population needs to be figured in here. Indiana leading Illinois with half the population is saying something.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 28, 2012, 09:58:49 AM
Why weren't any big-name schools in on Dekker? Looks like his offers were from Wisco and a handful of mid-majors. Did the big boys know he was a Badger all the way?
Maybe I am biased, but I see Bo as a lazy recruiter. He seems to go after players that are not on anybody else's radar and if he misses on them he goes the preferred walk on route. He gets away with it, because he is good at developing players and gets a significant amount of them to redshirt for the extra year of development. I do think he is good at identifying players he believes he can improve.
Quote from: bilsu on December 28, 2012, 10:38:02 AM
Maybe I am biased, but I see Bo as a lazy recruiter. He seems to go after players that are not on anybody else's radar and if he misses on them he goes the preferred walk on route. He gets away with it, because he is good at developing players and gets a significant amount of them to redshirt for the extra year of development. I do think he is good at identifying players he believes he can improve.
Maybe, but he certainly has landed his share of good players over the years....those that fit his system mixed with glue guys that aren't top 100 players but know their role. Hard to argue with the results...they have been better than ours the last 15 years (both programs have done well in that time period).
Koenig, Dekker, Krabbenhoft, Anderson, Leuer, Bohannon, Hughes, Stiemsma, Berggren, Vander Blue, etc were all top 100 RSCI players.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 28, 2012, 10:36:19 AM
Population needs to be figured in here. Indiana leading Illinois with half the population is saying something.
Then distribution to, I mean Hammond and East Chicago are considered Chicagoland area.
Quote from: bilsu on December 28, 2012, 10:38:02 AM
Maybe I am biased, but I see Bo as a lazy recruiter. He seems to go after players that are not on anybody else's radar and if he misses on them he goes the preferred walk on route. He gets away with it, because he is good at developing players and gets a significant amount of them to redshirt for the extra year of development. I do think he is good at identifying players he believes he can improve.
The uber-athletic, run-and-gun type of players aren't going to come to Wisconsin and Bo knows that. He also knows that for many, many, many HS players in the state of Wisconsin, playing for the Badgers would be a dream come true. He doesn't need to spend a lot of time scouring gyms in Florida or Texas or California for talent. He has a very strong recruiting base for his system all around him.
Agreed.
It is easier to teach the flop to those from Port Wahington, Wisconsin Dells, and Phillips than those from Milwaukee, Madison, and Racine. ;)
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 28, 2012, 01:31:54 PM
The uber-athletic, run-and-gun type of players aren't going to come to Wisconsin and Bo knows that. He also knows that for many, many, many HS players in the state of Wisconsin, playing for the Badgers would be a dream come true. He doesn't need to spend a lot of time scouring gyms in Florida or Texas or California for talent. He has a very strong recruiting base for his system all around him.
Well, he's pursuing Looney like no other.
It's funny how so often people get off the subject. This topic is about Wisconsin high school basketball players... not Illinois or Indiana!