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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: honkytonk on December 20, 2012, 02:23:22 PM
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No surprise. Izzo will be contending for another title next year.
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20121220/GW0201/312200046/Jabari-Parker-picks-Michigan-State?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE
Rocky's edit - fixed headline to avoid confusion
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No surprise. Izzo will be contending for another title next year.
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20121220/GW0201/312200046/Jabari-Parker-picks-Michigan-State?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE
Link doesn't work and Parker hasn't announced yet.
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Maybe someone over there got a little antsy in their pantsy and posted the story early. I'm thought Jabari was announcing on ESPNU at 3 CST
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Maybe someone over there got a little antsy in their pantsy and posted the story early. I'm thought Jabari was announcing on ESPNU at 3 CST
FWIW, the Chicago Sun-Times says Parker is leaning toward Florida, but his parents are making a push for Duke.
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Link doesn't work and Parker hasn't announced yet.
The link doesnt work because the story was taken down.
This was the text:
CHICAGO — Michigan State has its Jabari Parker.
And Tom Izzo may have the right mix of players to make a serious run at the 2013-14 national championship.
Parker, a 6-8 senior forward at Chicago Simeon High and consensus top-3 recruit according to analysts, announced his verbal commitment to MSU today in his high school gymnasium, with ESPNU on hand to televise.
The announcement capped a three-year recruitment of Parker for Tom Izzo – a recruitment led by associate head coach Dwayne Stephens – and ended an intense week of speculation and rumors after Parker set a decision date.
Parker picked MSU over Duke, Florida, BYU and Stanford. Most analysts believed Duke would win out in the end, but Parker opted for the closest school to his home and perhaps the closest personal relationship he built with a coach in Izzo.
He can’t sign a binding letter of intent until the spring but his commitment is expected to be final.
This marks one of the biggest recruiting victories of Izzo’s tenure, in a recruitment MSU was thought to lead before Parker took his official visits in the fall.
Izzo can’t comment publicly on unsigned recruits, but he said earlier in the day after an MSU practice that he would likely be in Flint this afternoon, visiting Herbert Cleaves, the father of former MSU great Mateen Cleaves. Herbert Cleaves is recovering from major surgery, Izzo said.
Izzo also made the point that his program is not in a position where one recruit can make or break it – as it was back when Cleaves signed in 1996.
Parker, though, could be the final piece for a national title contender in 2013-14. ESPN analyst Dave Telep said the MSU roster next season reminds him of the 2002-03 Syracuse team, which won it all behind freshman Carmelo Anthony.
MSU has not signed anyone else for the class of 2013 but is in on several high-profile recruits for 2014.
Free Press Sports Writer Mark Snyder contributed to this report.
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it was an accident. they had both stories cued up and hit the wrong button.
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Kid is incredibly overrated.
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Kid is incredibly overrated.
Not just overrated, but incredibly overrated?
I dunno. Coach K, Izzo and Billy Donovan seem to think he's OK.
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Not saying he isn't worthy of the offers he's got, just don't think he's the next coming of Melo. Strikes me as too slow to be the kind of player people seem to believe he is.
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I hope we land overrated players like Parker in the future. We counted on Jake Thomas last night to save the night against UWGB...give me a break on Parker being overrated.
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Unless this kid turns out to be LeBron or Carmelo, then he is currently overrated. Easier to fall from the top than to stay there. I'd take Looney over him in a heartbeat.
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Not saying he isn't worthy of the offers he's got, just don't think he's the next coming of Melo. Strikes me as too slow to be the kind of player people seem to believe he is.
Just curious; had you seen him play before the ESPN game last week? He's a shell of himself right now coming off the foot injury. I have a hard time believing anyone who has seen him play when healthy wouldn't think he is going to be something special. Seems to have his head on straight too.
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Duke.
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Unless this kid turns out to be LeBron or Carmelo, then he is currently overrated. Easier to fall from the top than to stay there. I'd take Looney over him in a heartbeat.
So unless he becomes one of the five best basketball players in the world, he's overrated as a high school senior.
Seems fair.
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I saw him in person in the state playoffs last spring against Whitney Young. He got his eventually, but shot the ball 85% of the time he touched it. Obviously Duke is lucky to have him, but I think the hype is a overboard at this point. His being Mormon gives basketball writers a lot to run with.
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Unless this kid turns out to be LeBron or Carmelo, then he is currently overrated. Easier to fall from the top than to stay there. I'd take Looney over him in a heartbeat.
every #1 recruit has to be as good as Lebron or Carmelo or they are overrated? ridiculous logic
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Unless this kid turns out to be LeBron or Carmelo, then he is currently overrated. Easier to fall from the top than to stay there. I'd take Looney over him in a heartbeat.
You do realize as well that he is not the number 1 recruit in his class. Saying he has to turn into LeBron to match expectations is quite extreme.
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So unless he becomes one of the five best basketball players in the world, he's overrated as a high school senior.
Seems fair.
When that is the bar analysts and media have set, it's true. It's not a question of my view of what's fair to the kid; I think he's got a rough road ahead of him given the hype.
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Judging by some of the posts on this thread we are moving to the right conference for our fan base.
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Unless this kid turns out to be LeBron or Carmelo, then he is currently overrated. Easier to fall from the top than to stay there. I'd take Looney over him in a heartbeat.
How much have you watched these guys play? From the sounds of every recruiting expert they seem to think Jabari Parker is pretty damn good, you don't really hear that much about Looney outside of Milwaukee.
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You do realize as well that he is not the number 1 recruit in his class. Saying he has to turn into LeBron to match expectations is quite extreme.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1198498/index.htm
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1198498/index.htm
ESPN #2
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true
Rivals #3
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-2752
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Lazer
Everyone knows about Looney and he will be recruited by similar schools as Parker. Would love to see the praise Parker would have received if he had picked MU.
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ESPN #2
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true
Rivals #3
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-2752
I'm well aware Wiggins is ranked higher (but thanks for the links). I was referencing your claim that he didn't have to live up to LeBron's reputation in order to match expectations.
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Judging by some of the posts on this thread we are moving to the right conference for our fan base.
What? How does one guy's opinion of Parker relate to our conference switch?
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If this isn't over-hype then I don't know what is. Not saying he's not going to be a great college player. He just isn't a world-beater.
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2012-05/69960100.jpg)
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If this isn't over-hype then I don't know what is. Not saying he's not going to be a great college player. He just isn't a world-beater.
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2012-05/69960100.jpg)
Where's the overhype there? They just say greatest since LeBron, not greater than LeBron. Also, I'm pretty sure you have to wait 5 years before judging anything.
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RJaxx
Fair enough. But the posts are off the rservation regarding Parker. Again, feed me overrated guys like Parker every season and I don't care if we play in Horizon league and Wardle is our coach.
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Lazer
Everyone knows about Looney and he will be recruited by similar schools as Parker. Would love to see the praise Parker would have received if he had picked MU.
His ranking would not have been affteced if he chose MU, just like it wouldn't have been if he chose BYU.
My point is that Jabari Parker has been extremely highly regarded by dozens of HS Recruiting analysts for the last four years and has received a ton of national attention as well. I'm just saying you don't see the same praise/attention from Looney and since I don't watch either of these guys on a reugalr basis I'll take the recruiting analysts opinions.
Not saying Looney won't be great, I'd kill for him to go to MU, it just seems like Parker is on a different level.
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RJaxx
Fair enough. But the posts are off the rservation regarding Parker. Again, feed me overrated guys like Parker every season and I don't care if we play in Horizon league and Wardle is our coach.
Come on, you have to be better than that. I didn't say I wouldn't have loved for Parker to come to MU. My whole point is that it is unfair to slap a kid's picture on the cover of SI with a comparison to LeBron James. Maybe he does become a HOF NBA player (I doubt it), but its unrealistic to make such comparisons and hype up a 17 year old kid in that way.
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I heard Steve Taylor never lost a 1 on 1 game to him, super overrated
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Where's the overhype there? They just say greatest since LeBron, not greater than LeBron. Also, I'm pretty sure you have to wait 5 years before judging anything.
Seems like a good kid and a fine player, but he's not even at the top of the 2013 class. All the experts believe Wiggins is the clear cut #1.
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Kid is incredibly overrated.
Wegz He has more talent in his fingernail than you do in your entire being. Hit the weight room son! Would it kill ya to say something nice about someone.
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(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2012-05/69960100.jpg)
Why do they always have to bring faith into it? Give credit where credit is due. God didn't give this kid his abilities. Endless hours in the gym did. It's great to see a Chicago kid do well but, in my opinion this Faith will hinder this kids ability to be the best.
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So the only thing preventing Jabari Parker from being "the best" is that he's a devout Mormon?
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So the only thing preventing Jabari Parker from being "the best" is that he's a devout Mormon?
Precisely.
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So the only thing preventing Jabari Parker from being "the best" is that he's a devout Mormon?
Mormonism is a well-known hindarance to athletic success.
see:
Steve Young
Roy Halladay
Dale Murphy
Haloti Ngata
Tom Chambers
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Precisely.
Is this another one of warthog's lame personalities? Cause if it is, I'm getting a little tired of this sh*t.
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Parker should have gone to MU.
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Is this another one of warthog's lame personalities? Cause if it is, I'm getting a little tired of this sh*t.
Don't flatter yourself.
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Mormonism is a well-known hindarance to athletic success.
see:
Steve Young
Roy Halladay
Dale Murphy
Haloti Ngata
Tom Chambers
Your list just blew my mind :o. Thank you Joseph Smith!! I'm off to Utah.
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Your list just blew my mind :o. Thank you Joseph Smith!! I'm off to Utah.
Normally I'd be flattered.
But this is your mind we're talking about.
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Mormonism is a well-known hindarance to athletic success.
see:
Steve Young
Roy Halladay
Dale Murphy
Haloti Ngata
Tom Chambers
Bryce Harper
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Danny Ainge
Jack Morris
Manti Teo
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Y'all have opened my eyes.
http://famousmormons.net/ (http://famousmormons.net/)
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Y'all have opened my eyes.
http://famousmormons.net/ (http://famousmormons.net/)
Welcome back warthog.
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Ive watched Looney twice this year live, and Burrell actually played better than him both times. Looney did not impress me as much as he has been hyped
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Ive watched Looney twice this year live, and Burrell actually played better than him both times. Looney did not impress me as much as he has been hyped
The thing that makes Looney so good is that he doesn't stand out. He's level headed, he's not all about himself, he's not flashy, he's not talking trash, he's not complaining to the refs or his teammates or his coaches. He just quietly goes about his business and all of a sudden he has 25, 15, and 8 blocks. It's absurd. He's as much of the real deal as you will find in Wisconsin. Extremely smooth, well balanced game. He doesn't SEEM to live up to the hype because he doesn't ACT like one of the prima donnas looking to get his. Which is why he's going to be a big time star.
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Kid is incredibly overrated.
Really,really decent kid. But not even the best player in Chicago.
I hope that doesn't sound critical because he's a great talent. Good luck Jabari!
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Really,really decent kid. But not even the best player in Chicago.
I hope that doesn't sound critical because he's a great talent. Good luck Jabari!
Careful, on this board any statement about how the media attention on Parker may be over the top is likely to get you called illogical, "off the reservation", and willing to accept Horizon-league recruits over top 100 guys.
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The thing that makes Looney so good is that he doesn't stand out. He's level headed, he's not all about himself, he's not flashy, he's not talking trash, he's not complaining to the refs or his teammates or his coaches. He just quietly goes about his business and all of a sudden he has 25, 15, and 8 blocks. It's absurd. He's as much of the real deal as you will find in Wisconsin. Extremely smooth, well balanced game. He doesn't SEEM to live up to the hype because he doesn't ACT like one of the prima donnas looking to get his. Which is why he's going to be a big time star.
This is spot on. He's one of the most mature, level-headed kids you'd ever want to meet, particularly on a stage as big as his. Aside from the obvious props to his parents, Kevon has that inner drive to be the best player he's capable of being. He realizes he needs to get stronger and quicker. The goal is the Association and I, for one, am not bettin' against him.
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Welcome back warthog.
No
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Ive watched Looney twice this year live, and Burrell actually played better than him both times. Looney did not impress me as much as he has been hyped
Well put, he is a very humble player. I never really looked at it that way.
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Hopefully wherever Looney goes he is treated better than Parker has been the last 24 hours.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/story/_/id/8770272/jabari-parker-duke-blue-devils-recruit-deals-twitter-backlash-decision
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Hopefully wherever Looney goes he is treated better than Parker has been the last 24 hours.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/story/_/id/8770272/jabari-parker-duke-blue-devils-recruit-deals-twitter-backlash-decision
That's ridiculous, especially as UNC wasn't on his final list. Just more evidence that the Duke/Carolina rivalry inspires hatred and bitterness. Great rivalry, but I imagine it'd be tough for a 17-year-old to jump into the middle of that.
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That's ridiculous, especially as UNC wasn't on his final list. Just more evidence that the Duke/Carolina rivalry inspires hatred and bitterness. Great rivalry, but I imagine it'd be tough for a 17-year-old to jump into the middle of that.
Yeah, pretty sad when someone can't take off the light blue glasses long enough to see that nobody in their right mind could fault a kid for committing to Duke. Even sadder is I'd guess none of those people went to UNC or live anywhere near Chapel Hill.
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Hopefully wherever Looney goes he is treated better than Parker has been the last 24 hours.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/story/_/id/8770272/jabari-parker-duke-blue-devils-recruit-deals-twitter-backlash-decision
Yes, it's sad that a teenager has to take that kind of abuse, but he wanted the attention. An announcement in front of the entire school—and on ESPNU? If you want the spotlight, you're got to be prepared for praise—and ridicule.
Not saying it's right, just saying it's reality.
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Let me offer a cynical explanation ...
He has 34,000 followers. No matter where he was going he was going to get angry tweets. And I'm sure he got a lot of them. But, isn't it interesting that he only picked out the UNC tweets to highlight in the media? No MSU fans tweeted him to express their "disappointment."
All this shows is he is fully committed to Duke to the point he is using how tweets to disparage UNC.
Rule #1 of going to Duke, never pass on a chance to slam UNC.
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No Marquette fan would ever taunt a recruit on Twitter.
Especially not fans that dress up in blue spandex body suits at games, crave attention, and get fed "inside info" from their big shot pappy.
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No Marquette fan would ever taunt a recruit on Twitter.
Especially not fans that dress up in blue spandex body suits at games, crave attention, and get fed "inside info" from their big shot pappy.
Hey man, he's been on the BMO BC jumbo tron, ESPN, and the in SI. Leave him alone, he's legit. His dad told me so.
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We should be happy to have Steve Taylor Jr. He was the real deal and will be a great player for Marquette. Let MSU have Parker.
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Yeah, and Dewey made a fine president too.
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Really,really decent kid. But not even the best player in Chicago.
I hope that doesn't sound critical because he's a great talent. Good luck Jabari!
Of course not, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Luol Deng are all ahead of him.
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No Marquette fan would ever taunt a recruit on Twitter.
Especially not fans that dress up in blue spandex body suits at games, crave attention, and get fed "inside info" from their big shot pappy.
LEAVE LITTLE BOY BLUE ALONE! LEAVE HIM ALONE!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ojJ75b8ertU/T3W_FCE2HsI/AAAAAAAAA7k/DfcrL8AhHTQ/s1600/crocker.jpg)
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That's ridiculous, especially as UNC wasn't on his final list. Just more evidence that the Duke/Carolina rivalry inspires hatred and bitterness. Great rivalry, but I imagine it'd be tough for a 17-year-old to jump into the middle of that.
I'm not trying to be insensitive as I'm sure there were much worse things "Tweeted" at Jabari Parker on Twitter that they didn't show in the ESPN.com article, but I see nothing wrong with the "Tweets" that were posted. Calling him a loser? OH NO! Saying he won't have an NBA career? Shucks. Someone who has never met him saying he/she lost respect for him? I'm guessing that one is tearing Parker apart inside. Really not a big deal, and if he's hurting from it then those "Tweets" are probably right, he won't make it into the NBA with that thin of skin. To be honest, they have a point. It's overly talked about how much Duke stars struggle once they go to the NBA.
Easy to call UNC fans out on it, but let's pretend Andrew Wiggins announces he is committing to Wisconsin. Everyone on here would sit back and applaud him for his decision? Come on now. We already talk on here about how Bo's system ruins any chance players have of making it to the NBA (Brian Butch, for example...Greg Steimsma being so misused that he needed the D League to remake his game, etc.), compare how many players are currently in the NBA from Marquette and Wisconsin, etc. If a top 2 recruit in the country chose to go to Wisconsin this board would have 15+ threads about how terrible the decision is, how Bo gets the most out of average players but can't develop top talent into NBA players, etc. etc. etc. And BlueManGroup over there would single-handedly blow up Twitter shunning the decision.
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No idea why you're bumping this after a week, but whatever. My point is more the UNC fans that seemed upset he chose Duke over UNC when UNC wasn't in the running. It's ridiculous to be mad at him for picking any school that was on his list over one that wasn't.
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No idea why you're bumping this after a week, but whatever. My point is more the UNC fans that seemed upset he chose Duke over UNC when UNC wasn't in the running. It's ridiculous to be mad at him for picking any school that was on his list over one that wasn't.
My guess is that they were more just mad that he chose Duke in general. If I was a UNC alum/student, I would be too. You have to play him twice every year that he's there now. That would not make me happy.