I'm assuming until final grades come out on Tuesday?
Benny B did a great job of explaining it a few weeks ago:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34474.msg422006#msg422006
In short, if you can answer yes to each of the following questions, you're eligible:
1) If you've completed your second/third/fourth year, have you earned 52/77/103 credit hours, respectively?
2) Did you earn at least six credit hours in the previous term?
3) Is your GPA at or above your institution's minimum requirements?
4) Are you currently enrolled for 12 credit hours?
Assuming the consensus opinion that Todd is ineligible as a result of #4 above, as long as he earns 6 credit hours each semester for the first two years and maintains MU's GPA requirements, he is eligible for the next term.
"Term" is also defined by the institution. Session 1 (fall semester) at Marquette ends 12/15/12 and Session 7 (spring semester) begins 12/17/12. Therefore, assuming that Todd earns six credits this semester, keeps his GPA over MU's threshold, (EDIT) and enrolls in 12 credits for the spring semester Todd will be eligible on 12/17/12, making him available - at the earliest - for UWGB.
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So Tomorrow (Monday Dec 17) the new term begins. Grades are due by Tuesday Dec 18. If he is going to be eligible as we all think, it SHOULD happen before Wednesday's game against UWGB (Dec 19). If not (that is an announcement that Mayo is again eligible) then I would worry that he is not.
Unfortunately, it's not this cut and dry. It's not a matter of him just being eligible. He very well may be, but that doesn't necessarily make him eligible. He did his part(hopefully), now it's out of his hands.
Quote from: muguru on December 16, 2012, 04:11:42 PM
Unfortunately, it's not this cut and dry. It's not a matter of him just being eligible. He very well may be, but that doesn't necessarily make him eligible. He did his part(hopefully), now it's out of his hands.
If he is eligible and does not come back by Wednesday, then he is never coming back. If he is still ineligible, then he is never coming back anyway. Their is no reason to hold of on reinstating him after Wednesday unless you do not want him back.
Now I did not say he will play. He could be ruled eligible tomorrow and Buzz may decide to not play him the next few games. That is a separate decision.
Hasn't he also been unable to practice with the team? You'd think that would mean he'd need some time to get back up to speed with everyone.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 16, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
If he is eligible and does not come back by Wednesday, then he is never coming back. If he is still ineligible, then he is never coming back anyway.
That is not necessarily true. Part of this is up to Marquette.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 16, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
That is not necessarily true. Part of this is up to Marquette.
What part of MU's decision has not been made and will need beyond Wednesday to make this decision?
Mayo is on academic probation. MU could simply decide that he is no longer going to play at Marquette.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 16, 2012, 04:58:12 PM
Mayo is on academic probation. MU could simply decide that he is no longer going to play at Marquette.
Let's hope this isn't the case. C'mon Todd, we need you back.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 16, 2012, 04:58:12 PM
Mayo is on academic probation. MU could simply decide that he is no longer going to play at Marquette.
See Mayo tweets and Facebook updates as he thinks he's coming back before Wednesday.
So you're thinking that MU is such a bunch of low-lifes that they have not told Mayo their plans and let him keep trying to qualify when it was not going to happen?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 16, 2012, 05:06:15 PM
See Mayo tweets and Facebook updates as he thinks he's coming back before Wednesday.
So you're thinking that MU is such a bunch of low-lifes that they have not told Mayo their plans and let him keep trying to qualify when it was not going to happen?
Did Mayo say what Marquette told him? What he "thinks" may not be anything but speculation.
Quote from: tommyc6 on December 16, 2012, 04:49:42 PM
Hasn't he also been unable to practice with the team? You'd think that would mean he'd need some time to get back up to speed with everyone.
Yep. Even if he's reinstated I doubt you see him play Wednesday. Maybe Saturday, maybe after the holiday.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 16, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
That is not necessarily true. Part of this is up to Marquette.
Sultan - know you have sources and are on record as being doubtful of Mayo's return. Have you heard anything new to change or reinforce that position?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 16, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
If he is eligible and does not come back by Wednesday, then he is never coming back. If he is still ineligible, then he is never coming back anyway. Their is no reason to hold of on reinstating him after Wednesday unless you do not want him back.
I guess the question is why he is "never coming back"?
I can easily see a situation where Buzz lays things out like this: "I want you on the team, but I care about you as an individual more than us winning. I don't want you for the next 108 days if there's a chance you won't be here on day 478 and day 842."
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 16, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
I guess the question is why he is "never coming back"?
I can easily see a situation where Buzz lays things out like this: "I want you on the team, but I care about you as an individual more than us winning. I don't want you for the next 108 days if there's a chance you won't be here on day 478 and day 842."
I can't (easily or otherwise) see Buzz not being upfront and clear with Mayo in October (and since) about what it would take to be reinstated. Assuming Todd's met the requirements I don't see Buzz being Lucy to Mayo's Charlie Brown.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 16, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
I guess the question is why he is "never coming back"?
I can easily see a situation where Buzz lays things out like this: "I want you on the team, but I care about you as an individual more than us winning. I don't want you for the next 108 days if there's a chance you won't be here on day 478 and day 842."
Again go read Mayo's tweets and Facebook page, he has been counting down to December 15 which suggests this is not the case.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 16, 2012, 06:21:21 PM
Again go read Mayo's tweets and Facebook page, he has been counting down to December 15 which suggests this is not the case.
OK...if you want to believe him that's fine, but know you are only hearing one side.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 16, 2012, 05:35:04 PM
Sultan - know you have sources and are on record as being doubtful of Mayo's return. Have you heard anything new to change or reinforce that position?
I know only what I have said.
Sultan, here is your position as I understand it ... you don't know squat yet you're sure that Mayo is wrong in suggesting via twitter and facebook he will be reinstated in the next few days.
What are going to say tomorrow morning, or Tuesday morning when MU releases a presser saying Mayo is back on the team?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 16, 2012, 07:51:33 PM
Sultan, here is your position as I understand it ... you don't know squat yet you're sure that Mayo is wrong in suggesting via twitter and facebook he will be reinstated in the next few days.
What are going to say tomorrow morning, or Tuesday morning when MU releases a presser saying Mayo is back on the team?
You shift goalposts CONSTANTLY in your arguments.
What I said was that your position that if Mayo isn't back by Wednesday that he wouldn't be back at all, is wrong. He very well could be back Tuesday....or Wednesday. But it very well could be next Saturday before he is reinstated. Wednesday isn't some sort of magic day due to his Facebook account. Marquette still has to give the go ahead. And that *could* be sometime after Wednesday...that is all I am saying.
So if he is reinstated tomorrow, that's great! I never said he wouldn't be.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 16, 2012, 09:40:16 PM
You shift goalposts CONSTANTLY in your arguments.
What I said was that your position that if Mayo isn't back by Wednesday that he wouldn't be back at all, is wrong. He very well could be back Tuesday....or Wednesday. But it very well could be next Saturday before he is reinstated. Wednesday isn't some sort of magic day due to his Facebook account. Marquette still has to give the go ahead. And that *could* be sometime after Wednesday...that is all I am saying.
So if he is reinstated tomorrow, that's great! I never said he wouldn't be.
Ok ...
My assumption is all the other issues
have already been discussed and resolved between Mayo and Buzz. If not, he would have left Milwaukee months ago. That is why Mayo tweets and says on Face book he ready to go once he passes his classes.
So all that was left was regaining eligibility. I assume that was accomplished last week with his finals. So all that we are waiting on is his official grades (due by Tuesday) and the official start of the semester (Monday, as explained above).
Otherwise, Buzz risks being perceived as yanking Mayo's chain. By waiting until the semester and then listing more rules to getting back on the team could hurt
Buzz down the road. When (unfortunately) the next player is ruled ineligible, he will just leave as Buzz cannot be trusted.
nm
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 17, 2012, 06:02:32 AM
It may not be entirely buzz'a decision. As I said he is on academic probation. I view the photo of him at the Xmas party to be a good sign though
The school is closed for winter break. Mayo is not on the team right now. If he is not reinstated today or tomorrow, with school over, he has to leave Humphrey, no? Students not on teams in season cannot stay in the dorms over winter break, correct?
That is why I say he has to be reinstated now. Otherwise he has to leave Milwaukee for a month, presumably going back to West Virginia. If so, he will probably never return.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 17, 2012, 06:47:43 AM
The school is closed for winter break. Mayo is not on the team right now. If he is not reinstated today or tomorrow, with school over, he has to leave Humphrey, no? Students not on teams in season cannot stay in the dorms over winter break, correct?
That is why I say he has to be reinstated now. Otherwise he has to leave Milwaukee for a month, presumably going back to West Virginia. If so, he will probably never return.
Humphrey isn't a dorm, it's a campus owned apartment. The "must leave when school is not in session" rule doesn't apply to people living at campus owned apartments I'm pretty sure.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on December 17, 2012, 06:57:36 AM
Humphrey isn't a dorm, it's a campus owned apartment. The "must leave when school is not in session" rule doesn't apply to people living at campus owned apartments I'm pretty sure.
Ok, if not reinstated, then is he expected to sit in an empty apartment building through the holidays as his former teammates are busy with practice and games while everyone else on campus is gone? I would think he would still leave for a month and possibly never return.
Sultan, ---nm?? No mas?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 17, 2012, 07:02:15 AM
Ok, if not reinstated, then is he expected to sit in an empty apartment building through the holidays as his former teammates are busy with practice and games while everyone else on campus is gone? I would think he would still leave for a month and possibly never return.
I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Our hope is that Mayo will be reinstated and ready to go by Wednesday. But if his file needs to be reviewed by an academic board, some of whom may be out of town for the holidays or may want to take time deliberating or may want to follow up with Todd, his instructors, and his tutors, it could take longer. It's also possible that Todd isn't the only student at Marquette whose status needs to be determined. What process does a board use to determine whose cases they review first? Maybe they don't even get to him until next week.
Maybe he's eligible Wednesday. Maybe he's eligible Saturday. Maybe he's not eligible until after the New Year. However long it takes for the review to determine that he has done everything he needs to do to be eligible by both NCAA and Marquette standards.
As far as what Mayo does in the interim, that really isn't the review board's concern, is it? When you apply for a job, does an employer speed up the hiring process based on your circumstance? No. They do it based on their timetable and once they have evaluated everything they feel needs to be evaluated. I would imagine this process will be hired in a similar fashion.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2012, 08:21:53 AM
I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Our hope is that Mayo will be reinstated and ready to go by Wednesday. But if his file needs to be reviewed by an academic board, some of whom may be out of town for the holidays or may want to take time deliberating or may want to follow up with Todd, his instructors, and his tutors, it could take longer. It's also possible that Todd isn't the only student at Marquette whose status needs to be determined. What process does a board use to determine whose cases they review first? Maybe they don't even get to him until next week.
Maybe he's eligible Wednesday. Maybe he's eligible Saturday. Maybe he's not eligible until after the New Year. However long it takes for the review to determine that he has done everything he needs to do to be eligible by both NCAA and Marquette standards.
As far as what Mayo does in the interim, that really isn't the review board's concern, is it? When you apply for a job, does an employer speed up the hiring process based on your circumstance? No. They do it based on their timetable and once they have evaluated everything they feel needs to be evaluated. I would imagine this process will be hired in a similar fashion.
I'm guessing that special consideration will be given in Todd's situation and his case will be the first or one of the first looked at.
It probably will. I'm just saying that there's no reason to panic if we don't see him Wednesday, and it's safe to say we can't put a firm date on when we will or won't know. We've gotten by without him for the first 6 weeks of the season. Hopefully we won't have to wait much longer, but there are a lot more factors that could go into this than simply rubber-stamping it and throwing him in the lineup.
This is all assumption, but if he is reinstated, he will not play until at least the New Year. I think that he would be in Buzz's proverbial "dog house." Especially not practicing with the team for the past month or two, I can't see him getting any minutes until at least conference play.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2012, 08:21:53 AM
I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Our hope is that Mayo will be reinstated and ready to go by Wednesday. But if his file needs to be reviewed by an academic board, some of whom may be out of town for the holidays or may want to take time deliberating or may want to follow up with Todd, his instructors, and his tutors, it could take longer.
Man I hope this is not the case. If Todd has to sit because someone is on holiday and he has to wait until they return. Then that person needs to be fired for not taking their responsibility seriously.
Also, this should not be a process that BEGINS today. He should have been monitored and counseled all long and the process should END TODAY.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2012, 08:21:53 AM
When you apply for a job, does an employer speed up the hiring process based on your circumstance? No. They do it based on their timetable and once they have evaluated everything they feel needs to be evaluated. I would imagine this process will be hired in a similar fashion.
I've been both hired by others and I hired people now and this is 100% wrong. Yes, you consider the timetable of the applicant, both good and bad. Only the Government proceeds at its bureaucratic pace unaffected by the applicants needs. And you get Government outcomes.
In this case the applicant is Mayo and his timetable is today and tomorrow. The goal should be to make the decision now, not to jerk him around for days or weeks. Yes or no, now is the proper way to handle it. You start the process when you have to to end with a decision today or tomorrow.
Quote from: BRMU23 on December 17, 2012, 08:43:11 AM
This is all assumption, but if he is reinstated, he will not play until at least the New Year. I think that he would be in Buzz's proverbial "dog house." Especially not practicing with the team for the past month or two, I can't see him getting any minutes until at least conference play.
I agree if he is reinstated we may not see him on the court for a while. But to get out of Buzz's doghouse, he needs to practice and interact with his team to show he has changed. He cannot do that sitting in Humphrey by himself watching day-time TV and waiting for some administrator to return from Holiday to begin the process of reviewing his file.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 17, 2012, 08:55:56 AM
I agree if he is reinstated we may not see him on the court for a while. But to get out of Buzz's doghouse, he needs to practice and interact with his team to show he has changed. He cannot do that sitting in Humphrey by himself watching day-time TV and waiting for some administrator to return from Holiday to begin the process of reviewing his file.
He wouldn't have to do that if he was passing his classes.
He's not a victim here. He made his bed, and now he has to go through the process... however long that takes.
He should be at the top of the pile, and that's fine... but he's not an innocent victim of some sort of inane bureaucracy.
*Sigh*
I think there is a failure to realize something in this thread. Marquette is NOT a basketball program. Marquette is a university that has a basketball program. The priority for Marquette as an institution is to ensure that their students are progressing towards a degree. Nothing any review board does will hinder Todd's ability to do that. He will be able to take classes over the winter break. He will be able to take classes in the Spring semester. Playing basketball is a privilege, not a right.
As far as the "that person needs to be fired for not taking their responsibility seriously" comment, give me a break. I don't know who would make up the review board. But if this is a faculty member that is accustomed to being off over the holidays and had tickets bought to either go out of town or possibly even out of country during this time period, they are supposed to put their life on hold for the good of the basketball program? Again, nothing this board determines will impact Todd's ability to progress as a student, which is the primary reason for Marquette's existence. Making sure he's back for Green Bay or LSU should have no bearing on how the instructors and review groups handle their affairs, both at work and at home.
Because these people are NOT government workers, they are allowed to have lives outside of Marquette's campus. And if that impacts how long it takes for Todd to get back, so be it. I'm not going to fault them for having other responsibilities, especially at this time of year.
As far as how the process is handled, that really has nothing to do with us. Hopefully it is handled quickly for the sake of the basketball program, but again, that is maybe a tertiary concern. First and foremost is the good of the student and second should be a thorough and proper review.
There are things more important than basketball. There are factors that may (or may not) go into this that none of us here understand or are aware of. If it's done today, great. If not, acting as though Marquette is somehow in the wrong is something none of us can say one way or the other. If Todd had shown up for an passed all his classes, this never would have been an issue. However, if a review is hastily and sloppily completed and he's allowed back on the court without due diligence, that WILL be an issue. So let's relax, be patient, and hope for the best.
Brew,
I think you're turning a very simple arithmetic problem into quantum physics, a true/false test into an essay test in an upper division Philosophy class. There are benchmarks Todd had to reach in order to regain eligibility - I would think that a review board of PHDs could figure out whether those benchmarks were attained in about 30 seconds.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 17, 2012, 06:47:43 AM
The school is closed for winter break. Mayo is not on the team right now. If he is not reinstated today or tomorrow, with school over, he has to leave Humphrey, no? Students not on teams in season cannot stay in the dorms over winter break, correct?
That is why I say he has to be reinstated now. Otherwise he has to leave Milwaukee for a month, presumably going back to West Virginia. If so, he will probably never return.
First, the University isn't closed.
Second, you again keep shifting the goalposts. You twist everything to the point that you eventually will be "right" apparently.
Third, if MU doesn't approve Mayo, it won't be some bureaucrat's fault. It will be Todd Mayo's fault for not taking academics seriously enough. Despite what happened in the spring, and despite being sent home, he still didn't care enough to do the simple things necessary to maintain eligibility. If you want to blame someone for him sitting in Humphrey watching daytime TV, blame Todd Mayo.
And finally, I fully anticipate that this issue will be resolved this week regardless of the Wednesday deadline that you pulled out of your ass.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 17, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
He wouldn't have to do that if he was passing his classes.
He's not a victim here. He made his bed, and now he has to go through the process... however long that takes.
He should be at the top of the pile, and that's fine... but he's not an innocent victim of some sort of inane bureaucracy.
I don't think Another suggests that Todd was a victim in the original ineligibility/academic probation situation - only that a decision as to his reinstatement or dismissal is more time sensitive than that of an ordinary student.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2012, 09:41:30 AM
I don't think Another suggests that Todd was a victim in the original ineligibility/academic probation situation - only that a decision as to his reinstatement or dismissal is more time sensitive than that of an ordinary student.
I get it, and I'm cool with him being at the top of the pile, but the suggesting that an administrator should be fired if he doesn't make an extra effort to get Todd eligible is over the top.
Todd is ineligible because of Todd... not because of a delay in paperwork.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 17, 2012, 09:49:25 AM
I get it, and I'm cool with him being at the top of the pile, but the suggesting that an administrator should be fired if he doesn't make an extra effort to get Todd eligible is over the top.
Todd is ineligible because of Todd... not because of a delay in paperwork.
So, you and Another agree that:
1. Todd is ineligible because of Todd
and
2.His paperwork determining his status should go to the top of the pile.
If it doesn't, Another thinks someone should get fired and you don't - that's your only disagreement. I happen to agree with you, but I wish you would argue your differences and not things you agree on.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2012, 10:11:42 AM
So, you and Another agree that:
1. Todd is ineligible because of Todd
and
2.His paperwork determining his status should go to the top of the pile.
If it doesn't, Another thinks someone should get fired and you don't - that's your only disagreement. I happen to agree with you, but I wish you would argue your differences and not things you agree on.
You're correct. I just think Another is painting him a little too much as a victim.
I'm sure MU will expedite in a reasonable manner, but I don't think extraordinary effort is required.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2012, 09:29:38 AM
Brew,
I think you're turning a very simple arithmetic problem into quantum physics, a true/false test into an essay test in an upper division Philosophy class. There are benchmarks Todd had to reach in order to regain eligibility - I would think that a review board of PHDs could figure out whether those benchmarks were attained in about 30 seconds.
I'm saying that I don't know what will go into the academic review, but I get the impression it's not as simple as a rubber stamp. Maybe Todd is reinstated. Maybe he isn't. Maybe it's beyond our control and none of us truly know what it will take on either side. But to indicate people should get fired over something no one here fully understands is simply ludicrous. As is the idea that somehow Todd's eligibility as a basketball player trumps Marquette's duty as an academic institution.
Wow. I'm glad my kids don't get this level of scrutiny (except from me).
Let's remember a few facts here. Todd became academically ineligible for a very specific reason. Marquette took no specific action and he is not 'suspended'. Technically, he probably could have remained eligible longer than he did last Fall but chose a course of action that allowed him to focus on other academic issues.
Todd also believes that he did well on Finals in his classes. I'll give him total props for that. Every student continually EARNS the right though his/her own actions to a quality Marquette education. Given the pricetag, it is never a guarantee. Grades come out at 5p tomorrow and then he'll know for sure. I'm assuming the university already knows his status come Wednesday morning and that no formal process is necessary. You're either eligible or ineligible; on probation or not.
Getting off the end of Buzz' bench is another matter. That'll be his next challenge until school starts up again in January at which time Raynor library 'seat time' factors back in to the equation. I'm confident he understands.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 17, 2012, 10:25:06 AM
I'm sure MU will expedite in a reasonable manner, but I don't think extraordinary effort is required.
I would hope whatever "process" Todd has to go through wouldn't require "extraordinary effort". The board could have left a contingency ruling (if this, thumbs up, if that thumbs down) or make themselve available for a 10 minute conference call. Bringing them back from vacation seems unnecessary - either Todd has the numbers or he doesn't, and those numbers won't change between tomorrow and the resumption of classes/return of the faculty.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2012, 10:40:09 AM
I would hope whatever "process" Todd has to go through wouldn't require "extraordinary effort". The board could have left a contingency ruling (if this, thumbs up, if that thumbs down) or make themselve available for a 10 minute conference call. Bringing them back from vacation seems unnecessary - either Todd has the numbers or he doesn't, and those numbers won't change between tomorrow and the resumption of classes/return of the faculty.
Unless he's really good at sweet talking teachers. I'm sure many of you were able to get a grade changed through some skillful begging.
Quote from: Bocephys on December 17, 2012, 10:44:11 AM
Unless he's really good at sweet talking teachers. I'm sure many of you were able to get a grade changed through some skillful begging.
Never once. It disgusted me. Probably also why I didn't get awesome grades in college. :)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2012, 10:40:09 AM
I would hope whatever "process" Todd has to go through wouldn't require "extraordinary effort". The board could have left a contingency ruling (if this, thumbs up, if that thumbs down) or make themselve available for a 10 minute conference call. Bringing them back from vacation seems unnecessary - either Todd has the numbers or he doesn't, and those numbers won't change between tomorrow and the resumption of classes/return of the faculty.
Yea, that sounds like a reasonable accommodation. I'm cool with that.
Quote from: Bocephys on December 17, 2012, 10:44:11 AM
Unless he's really good at sweet talking teachers. I'm sure many of you were able to get a grade changed through some skillful begging.
Heck, how do you think most of us got a BA?
Part of being successful in the world after college (that's the real world for you academics!) is knowing how to conform and how to sell yourself.
If you never "sweet-talked" and sold yourself, then you didn't go to college. I shudder to think how you've done in the "real world."
The only exception might be engineers and they live in their own world. It's not the earth the rest of us live on.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 17, 2012, 11:48:14 AM
Heck, how do you think most of us got a BA?
Part of being successful in the world after college (that's the real world for you academics!) is knowing how to conform and how to sell yourself.
If you never "sweet-talked" and sold yourself, then you didn't go to college. I shudder to think how you've done in the "real world."
The only exception might be engineers and they live in their own world. It's not the earth the rest of us live on.
TT34 would cry in engineering professor's offices for better grades.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 17, 2012, 11:48:14 AM
Heck, how do you think most of us got a BA?
Part of being successful in the world after college (that's the real world for you academics!) is knowing how to conform and how to sell yourself.
If you never "sweet-talked" and sold yourself, then you didn't go to college. I shudder to think how you've done in the "real world."
The only exception might be engineers and they live in their own world. It's not the earth the rest of us live on.
I guess that's why I got a BS...I never heard of or saw any engineering professors changing grades based on "selling".
Quote from: PTM on December 17, 2012, 11:55:31 AM
TT34 would cry in engineering professor's offices for better grades.
I thought he would scream his head of, "Do you know who I am? I am GOLD N. FUCKIN' EAGLE. And don't you fuckin' forget it. And if this grade doesn't get changed, don't ever fuckin' think for a split goddamn second you might ever get a free Papa Johns pizza at a game."
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2012, 10:11:42 AM
If it doesn't, Another thinks someone should get fired and you don't - that's your only disagreement. I happen to agree with you, but I wish you would argue your differences and not things you agree on.
No ...
Brew said the file might sit on someone's desk because they bought tickets to go on Holiday. In other words, "
I'm sorry Mr. Mayo and Mr. Williams the issue of reinstating Mr. Mayo to the basketball team will have to wait until I return from my week in Arizona but I promise to get to it as soon as I get back. Merry Christmas Mr. Williams and I'll see you in the New Year."
Brew insisted twice this might be a possibility. If this, and only this, is the reason that holds up Mayo, that is outrageous and suggests some is not taking their job responsibility seriously. So, yes if this were to happen someone should get fired.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2012, 10:40:09 AM
I would hope whatever "process" Todd has to go through wouldn't require "extraordinary effort". The board could have left a contingency ruling (if this, thumbs up, if that thumbs down) or make themselve available for a 10 minute conference call. Bringing them back from vacation seems unnecessary - either Todd has the numbers or he doesn't, and those numbers won't change between tomorrow and the resumption of classes/return of the faculty.
Bingo!
My point is either Todd has done enough to be eligible and it should be announced today/tomorrow. Or, he has not and that should be announced today/tomorrow. To string this out over several more days, or a few weeks, is completely unnecessary.
Yes or No on eligibility, just make the decision and move on.
Just to clarify my comments from the original thread... I also posted the following:
Quote from: Benny B on November 26, 2012, 12:11:22 PM
There are a number of factors that could delay (or expedite) an announcement:
1) Reporting of grades
2) Availability of someone to put out a press release over the weekend (16th is a Sunday)
3) Coach-, AD-, or institution-imposed suspension or similar measure following re-attainment of NCAA eligibility
4) Possibility of Todd being NCAA-eligible on 12/17 but not MU-eligible until a later date
5) Privacy issues
I don't think there are any date restrictions on when an announcement can be made... MU simply may not make an announcement at all regardless of circumstance and we don't know until we either see him on the court or the media asks the question. (However, one would have to assume that good news would be announced.)
If we don't see Todd on the court 12/19 and Hunt, Strotty, and Goodman (metaphorically speaking) don't have the skinny by then, then I would start making assumptions. Until then, we wait.
Most of the above has already been mentioned throughout the current thread, implicitly or explicitly; however, the bottom line remains that while Todd may be NCAA-eligible and MU-eligible at this very moment, he may not be Buzz-eligible. Just because we don't see any sign of Todd practicing with the team should not be any cause for alarm at this point.
If Todd isn't in a uniform on Wednesday, the topic will likely be addressed in Buzz's post-game comments, and drawing any conclusions before then is an exercise in futility.
Wow, care to put any more words in my mouth? People assume because of Todd FB post that he has done everything he needs to do. People assume this is a rubber-stamp, black or white issue. But none of you KNOW this is the case. It's entirely possible there's more to this review than checking a box. If that's the case and this needs more time and due diligence than a rubber-stamp, then I sincerely hope Marquette's academic boards take that time.
And Another, again, the responsibility of Marquette is academics over athletics. Do you dispute that? Because as long as those responsible for the review are making sure Todd can continue as a student they are doing their job. It was his responsibility not to get into this position in the first place. You don't know their circumstances, but acting like Todd's athletic (extra-curricular) career is more important than their lives is silly.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2012, 12:29:34 PM
Wow, care to put any more words in my mouth?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34918.msg429159#msg429159
But if his file needs to be reviewed by an academic board, some of whom may be out of town for the holidays or may want to take time deliberating or may want to follow up with Todd, his instructors, and his tutors, it could take longer.http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34918.msg429184#msg429184
But if this is a faculty member that is accustomed to being off over the holidays and had tickets bought to either go out of town or possibly even out of country during this time period, they are supposed to put their life on hold for the good of the basketball program? ----
You did a pretty good job of putting the words in your own mouth.
You are assuming this is an open and shut case. I am not. Until he's reinstated, we have no idea which is the truth and thus have no idea how long this could take.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2012, 12:35:38 PM
You are assuming this is an open and shut case. I am not. Until he's reinstated, we have no idea which is the truth and thus have no idea how long this could take.
Everything they need to make the decision already happened. His classes are done and his grades are in. Their is no information left to wait on (beyond official grades due by tomorrow). So, not it is not open and shut. But, unlike what you're suggesting, this was not starting today. It started a long-time ago.
Quote from: Benny B on December 17, 2012, 12:26:20 PM
If Todd isn't in a uniform on Wednesday, the topic will likely be addressed in Buzz's post-game comments, and drawing any conclusions before then is an exercise in futility.
I agree with this. If their is not an announcement today/tomorrow, Buzz will be asked and address this Wednesday.
And hopefully the answer is
not the administrator that makes the decision called Buzz from Disneyland with the family on vacation and promises it will be the first file they get to when they get back to the office on January 7.
Can we change this discussion to Todd's new profile picture?
1.) He's with Junior!
2.) Is it a Xmas Party?
3.) What does the bow-tie mean?
Factors that could influence this:
- Simply passing may not be enough.
- Going part-time in Fall may have put Todd off-track for his degree and he may need to pass mid-semester class(es) to get back on track.
- The review board may need to interview Todd's tutors and/or faculty.
- Someone instrumental in the review process may have been planning the holidays to visit a dying family member.
- Someone instrumental in the review process may have scheduled a c-section during the holidays to spend time with their newborn.
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If it's a simple "yes, he has the grades, he's eligible" or "no, he doesn't have the grades, he's ineligible" situation then I hope they expedite the process. But none of us know that is the case. So acting like the sky is falling because we don't know yet is silly, just it will be at any point before the actual Spring semester starts. Maybe it's easier for me because I accepted the most likely scenario back in November that Todd Mayo would never play a minute of basketball for Marquette again and anything more than that would be gravy. Bottom line, none of us know how this is going to go, and throwing all your toys out of the pram isn't going to magically make Todd's academic issues go away.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 17, 2012, 12:41:16 PM
Everything they need to make the decision already happened. His classes are done and his grades are in. Their is no information left to wait on (beyond official grades due by tomorrow). So, not it is not open and shut. But, unlike what you're suggesting, this was not starting today. It started a long-time ago.
You do not know this for a fact. You could say you do, but you would be lying.
Only the people in charge of Todd's academics and possibly Todd know this for certain. Just because he's optimistic doesn't mean a decision is imminent, or even that it will go in his favor.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2012, 12:46:58 PM
Factors that could influence this:
- Someone instrumental in the review process may have been planning the holidays to visit a dying family member.
- Someone instrumental in the review process may have scheduled a c-section during the holidays to spend time with their newborn.
Brew, you keep insisting this. Do you know something specific about this or are you speculating?
These are way too specific for you to make up out of thin air. So, what do you know?
I don't know anything. Which is why I'm not taking anything for granted.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2012, 09:29:38 AM
Brew,
I think you're turning a very simple arithmetic problem into quantum physics, a true/false test into an essay test in an upper division Philosophy class. There are benchmarks Todd had to reach in order to regain eligibility - I would think that a review board of PHDs could figure out whether those benchmarks were attained in about 30 seconds.
+1
Todd's issue isn't very complicated from what I understand. No one should expect that he somehow needs to appear before the assembled professors in a scene analogous to Rodney Dangerfield's oral Final in "Back to School'. (SAY IT, SAY IT!!!!!)
Does anyone outside of Todd, Buzz and MU admin actually know why Todd was suspended. I have not heard any of the specific details except for the canned response.
So, why are we making statements that today, tomorrow or Wednesday is "the day" that we find out what happens to Todd? I hope we are not basing this off of Todd's facebook message that was rather cryptic.
Quote from: mufanatic on December 17, 2012, 03:11:53 PM
Does anyone outside of Todd, Buzz and MU admin actually know why Todd was suspended. I have not heard any of the specific details except for the canned response.
So, why are we making statements that today, tomorrow or Wednesday is "the day" that we find out what happens to Todd? I hope we are not basing this off of Todd's facebook message that was rather cryptic.
No am I not certain, but I was told by insiders that he just simply did not have enough credits (dropped class). He only took two last semester. I don't think this is any news to the board though.
Quote from: buzzchiapet on December 17, 2012, 03:25:11 PM
No am I not certain, but I was told by insiders that he just simply did not have enough credits (dropped class). He only took two last semester. I don't think this is any news to the board though.
That was what I was thinking happened. However, if that was the case I do not see how he could be eligible at the semester. You need to have a full load defined as 12 credits or more and that he could met by signing up for 12 credits in the second sememster. However, I believe he needs to have completed 36 credits by the end of the first semester of sophomore year. He went to Africa this summer, so he was not here to take extra credits to get ahead of the credits needed. He also was not able to come in early his freshmen year to get some credits under his belt. I just find it hard to believe that he had more than 24 credits coming into this year. Given that, if he was short the first semester he would have to be short of the 36 hours and would not be eligible. The only logical thing was Buzz was projecting based on progress reports he was not going to be eligible at the end of the first semester and suspended him so he could spend all his time on school work.
Quote from: bilsu on December 17, 2012, 04:08:21 PM
That was what I was thinking happened. However, if that was the case I do not see how he could be eligible at the semester. You need to have a full load defined as 12 credits or more and that he could met by signing up for 12 credits in the second sememster. However, I believe he needs to have completed 36 credits by the end of the first semester of sophomore year. He went to Africa this summer, so he was not here to take extra credits to get ahead of the credits needed. He also was not able to come in early his freshmen year to get some credits under his belt. I just find it hard to believe that he had more than 24 credits coming into this year. Given that, if he was short the first semester he would have to be short of the 36 hours and would not be eligible. The only logical thing was Buzz was projecting based on progress reports he was not going to be eligible at the end of the first semester and suspended him so he could spend all his time on school work.
Not sure if any of your post even matters in regards to Marquette's eligibility rules, but Mayo took classes the first summer session.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 17, 2012, 12:41:16 PMEverything they need to make the decision already happened.
I don't think this is quite the math problem you're making it out to be. It's not just black and white...there's a lot of grey.
I'm not sure it's the exact same process (or that I should be talking about it), but I was a student-member of the review board for a semester. It involved a letter from the student explaining the circumstances of their ... failure to meet expectations ... as well as student discussion with members of the board.
It was Cura Personalis — they didn't just want the student to meet their obligations, but wanted to understand how the university could help prevent it in the future.
Maybe this is a totally different scenario, but I can definitely see it not being completely black and white.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on December 17, 2012, 05:45:43 PM
Not sure if any of your post even matters in regards to Marquette's eligibility rules, but Mayo took classes the first summer session.
Yes, but he was ineligible until he completed the class. So that just got him up to snuff for his frreshmen year.
Quote from: PTM on December 17, 2012, 11:55:31 AM
TT34 would cry in engineering professor's offices for better grades.
You're thinking of Jason.
I'm the guy who would drop the class and retake it over the summer with an easier professor.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 17, 2012, 07:07:06 PM
You're thinking of Jason.
I'm the guy who would drop the class and retake it over the summer with an easier professor.
Thelen?
Quote from: Benny B on December 17, 2012, 12:26:20 PM
Just to clarify my comments from the original thread... I also posted the following:
Most of the above has already been mentioned throughout the current thread, implicitly or explicitly; however, the bottom line remains that while Todd may be NCAA-eligible and MU-eligible at this very moment, he may not be Buzz-eligible. Just because we don't see any sign of Todd practicing with the team should not be any cause for alarm at this point.
If Todd isn't in a uniform on Wednesday, the topic will likely be addressed in Buzz's post-game comments, and drawing any conclusions before then is an exercise in futility.
And therefore, is well within the jurisdiction of MUScoop.
Here's the short answer to the question asked in the thread title; we'll know when we know, and not before.
Quote from: mufanatic on December 17, 2012, 03:11:53 PM
Does anyone outside of Todd, Buzz and MU admin actually know why Todd was suspended. I have not heard any of the specific details except for the canned response.
So, why are we making statements that today, tomorrow or Wednesday is "the day" that we find out what happens to Todd? I hope we are not basing this off of Todd's facebook message that was rather cryptic.
Just to clarify, Todd wasn't suspended this fall. He became academically ineligible based on NCAA regulations.
Quote from: jsglow on December 18, 2012, 12:50:43 PM
Just to clarify, Todd wasn't suspended this fall. He became academically ineligible based on NCAA regulations.
That was said, but never verified.
Quote from: bilsu on December 18, 2012, 02:03:03 PM
That was said, but never verified.
MU may never have said it directly in a press release, but...
From Hunt:
"Mayo is ineligible per NCAA regulations."
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/177389121.html
From Paint Touches:
"Mayo's ineligibility stems from the NCAA's minimum requirements."
http://painttouches.com/2012/11/05/todd-mayo-ruled-academically-ineligible/
He's been practicing the past two days, and Buzz will meet with Todd and his parents tomorrow. Nothing set in stone, but I have to think that's a good sign.
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/281146800704978945
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/281149781278093312
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 18, 2012, 03:43:57 PM
He's been practicing the past two days, and Buzz will meet with Todd and his parents tomorrow. Nothing set in stone, but I have to think that's a good sign.
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/281146800704978945
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/281149781278093312
Now if that don't beat all. Here we take the good time and trouble to discuss every possible outcome of the situation, and for what? So we can find out the answer* has been right in front of us all along. I am depressed.
*Mayo would be NCAA eligible (i.e. able to participate in practice) on the 17th, but he could remain subject to an MU-imposed suspension.
Call it the last dance, everybody deserves a second chance, it might be more for him?
He has to be eligible. If he practiced the last two days and is not eligible, then MU violated NCAA rules.
Now what are the odds that Todd busted his hump for two months to become eligible, practiced the last two days only to call it all off tomorrow? 0.00%
So, does he gets any minutes tomorrow at UWGB? I say yes because he parents are in town and presumably will travel with the team to attend the game (even if it is a few minutes).