So, on the Buzz Williams Basketball Hour yesterday, Larry Williams floats the idea MU fans should consider/brace for the possibility of the Gonzaga Model - A powerhouse/big fish in a small pond. Now today, Gonzaga is trying to get out of that very model. As did Butler. As did VCU. How ironic. Yet another big sh$tburger for Larry to eat...one day after he floats the Gonzaga model, Gonzaga is willing to fly coast to coast to get out of such a model.
What kind of leadership are we looking at that considers aiming small to go big, as a viable option?
Hey JuJuan, Duane, Deonte - come play in the Horizon league and get limited ESPN exposure, and compete against mid-major talent....
My opinion of LW is already crappy, so it can't go any lower.
Email campaign!!
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Geez, even if he truly believes it, there is nothing good that can come from saying that or anything like it at this point in time. No matter what he thinks is going to happen, "Marquette has a long tradition of success and will land in a good, competitive conference regardless of how the conference re-alignment shakes out" should be his public mantra.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:09:52 AM
So, on the Buzz Williams Basketball Hour yesterday, Larry Williams floats the idea MU fans should consider/brace for the possibility of the Gonzaga Model - A powerhouse/big fish in a small pond. Now today, Gonzaga is trying to get out of that very model. As did Butler. As did VCU. How ironic. Yet another big sh$tburger for Larry to eat...one day after he floats the Gonzaga model, Gonzaga is willing to fly coast to coast to get out of such a model.
What kind of leadership are we looking at that considers aiming small to go big, as a viable option?
Hey JuJuan, Duane, Deonte - come play in the Horizon league and get limited ESPN exposure, and compete against mid-major talent....
Dude gets dinged for not being proactive, and now he's proactive and getting national press attention for that, and you harp on one sentence that you take out of context.
This is the full quote:
"What I would really like to communicate is we have the utmost attention of the athletic director and importantly our president on this subject, on this matter, making sure that we place Marquette in the most advantageous position we can be in. That may mean we're in another association where you use the Gonzaga model where you're the biggest, baddest dog in the shallow pond, think I got my analogies screwed up there, but you get the point. It's very important for Father Pilarz and for me that Marquette and its tradition is protected and enlivened so that it has the opportunity to maintain its elite standard, the standard it's earned over the course of many, many years from way back through the Al McGuire days."
If anybody wants to actually listen to it before they rant:
http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/ (http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/)
If not, feel free to RAGE about LARRRRRRRRRRRY!!!! (shakes fist in the air).
EDIT: The whole interview is pretty good, but if you only have a couple of minutes, start around the 6:30min. mark. Then run to your keyboard and start the angry typing.
Then he offers up this nugget in the Providence Journal in the article/topic Chicos posted:
On merging with an Atlantic 10-type conference:
"When you think about the A-10, I don't even really view the remnants of the Big East in the same light as I do the A-10. There's no Georgetown in the A-10. Georgetown has won a national championship. There's no Marquette in the A-10. They've not won a national championship in their history. They have a couple of good schools and they have some nice quality across the board, but I certainly, and I know I'm being sort of a homer here, but I certainly think the Big East basketball schools present a profile that is superior to what the depth of the A-10 is.
Then he goes on to tout the virtues of two basketball programs the A-10 added..who also left the bgi fish in small pond mentality....so combining all these soundbites - what in the hell exactly is Larry's position??? Wow.
On the prospect of a Catholic conference:
"On the Catholic concept... Now I'm a Catholic. I'm really comfortable in that environment, but I would be careful to define something so narrowly as to someone's religious tradition. There's some really good basketball played at VCU. There's this place down in Indiana (Butler) that has made a couple appearances in the final game."
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 12, 2012, 11:16:25 AM
Dude gets dinged for not being proactive, and now he's proactive and getting national press attention for that, and you harp on one sentence that you take out of context.
This is the full quote:
"What I would really like to communicate is we have the utmost attention of the athletic director and importantly our president on this subject, on this matter, making sure that we place Marquette in the most advantageous position we can be in. That may mean we're in another association where you use the Gonzaga model where you're the biggest, baddest dog in the shallow pond, think I got my analogies screwed up there, but you get the point. It's very important for Father Pilarz and for me that Marquette and its tradition is protected and enlivened so that it has the opportunity to maintain its elite standard, the standard it's earned over the course of many, many years from way back through the Al McGuire days."
Agreed. If someone is going to completely bastardize what LW actually said, why should any of us care about what that person's opinion of LW is?
Thanks for providing context, Sultan and Guns. Always helpful, though most folks just like to grab onto a word or a sentence and beat the you-know-what out of it.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:18:50 AM
Then he offers up this nugget in the Providence Journal in the article/topic Chicos posted:
On merging with an Atlantic 10-type conference:
"When you think about the A-10, I don't even really view the remnants of the Big East in the same light as I do the A-10. There's no Georgetown in the A-10. Georgetown has won a national championship. There's no Marquette in the A-10. They've not won a national championship in their history. They have a couple of good schools and they have some nice quality across the board, but I certainly, and I know I'm being sort of a homer here, but I certainly think the Big East basketball schools present a profile that is superior to what the depth of the A-10 is.
Then he goes on to tout the virtues of two basketball programs the A-10 added..who also left the bgi fish in small pond mentality....so combining all these soundbites - what in the hell exactly is Larry's position??? Wow.
He specifically said that have a couple good schools.
Seriously, what is your problem? He is making reasonable comments that make me feel that MU is looking at a bunch of options and is going to choose what is best for the future of MU basketball. Listen to the interview, he comes off as level-headed and proactive.
I'm not a Larry Williams fan. In this instance, it seems to me that he was trying to say that all options are being considered, talks about some of the models, and manages to do it in the least logical, non-offensive manner possible. It isn't what he said, it is how he said it.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 12, 2012, 11:21:20 AM
Seriously, what is your problem? He is making reasonable comments that make me feel that MU is looking at a bunch of options and is going to choose what is best for the future of MU basketball. Listen to the interview, he comes off as level-headed and proactive.
His problem is that he is Ners.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 12, 2012, 11:21:20 AM
He specifically said that have a couple good schools.
Seriously, what is your problem? He is making reasonable comments that make me feel that MU is looking at a bunch of options and is going to choose what is best for the future of MU basketball. Listen to the interview, he comes off as level-headed and proactive.
Seriously - the guy basically pisses on the A-10, then goes on to tout 2, A-10 prorgrams - who fled a model he just floated yesterday as being viable a potential viable option for MU. What doesn't alarm you about this? He craps on a league that could one day potentially house MU (which would be a much better option than parking MU in the Horizon - big fish, small pond), then goes on to name two of that leagues programs - Butler and VCU - as being quality programs....who just fled a model he mentions as viable..??
My problem is that there clearly are some who see the above course of action as "proactive," when it is absolutely ass backwards. Frightening.
My biggest fear is MU evaluating our program, school and position in NCAA. As much as I love AL and his teams that was a lifetime ago. The Gonzaga model is not for me but I understand we are not the MU of 1977 and college ball has changed big time since then. IMO we are an upper program and one of the elite non-football programs. With that standing we need to be leaders in the process.
While I do not agree with everything LW has said I am happy to hear we are not sitting on our hands. He has tough job ahead of him and hopefully up to the task. Have stated before we should not have been surprised with all the conference moves and plans should have been laid out months ago.
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Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:27:24 AM
Seriously - the guy basically pisses on the A-10, then goes on to tout 2, A-10 prorgrams - who fled a model he just floated yesterday as being viable a potential viable option for MU. What doesn't alarm you about this? He craps on a league that could one day potentially house MU (which would be a much better option than parking MU in the Horizon - big fish, small pond), then goes on to name two of that leagues programs - Butler and VCU - as being quality programs....who just fled a model he mentions as viable..??
My problem is that there clearly are some who see the above course of action as "proactive," when it is absolutely ass backwards. Frightening.
Just to be clear, all of those quotes (including what was in the Providence Journal) came from the same interview that he did with Homer.
Might be cool to give it a listen.
I swear, if Larry Williams wasn't an ND grad we wouldn't have 3/4 of the posts bitching about him.
I am fine with his interview in terms of what he said...still struggling though why all of the seven schools seem to be going public with their Big East gripes (not just LW) as I said in another thread. It is clearly a concerted effort to go public...so, who are they trying to leverage?...the remaining BE football schools? The ones like UC and UCONN who would like to jump at first blush? Get others like the Zags, Xavier, Butler to throw their hat into the ring? They are coming off as a group without a settled plan in public--half in and half out the door--and to me, compromising their negotiation stance...if and I say if, they remain in the hybrid BE.
As I said, it looks like Tulane changed everything in regards to their entrance...and really the Group of Seven have already decided to exit. I think the Commish is dead in the water at this point.
Quote from: Norm on December 12, 2012, 11:30:31 AM
I swear, if Larry Williams wasn't an ND grad we wouldn't have 3/4 of the posts bitching about him.
This, without a doubt.
Quote from: PTM on December 12, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
His problem is that he is Ners.
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Quote from: PTM on December 12, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
His problem is that he is Ners.
Once again, you fail to weigh in on the debate with any valid point. Just another 1 sentence personal attack. Well done PTM. Par for your course.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:27:24 AM
Seriously - the guy basically pisses on the A-10, then goes on to tout 2, A-10 prorgrams - who fled a model he just floated yesterday as being viable a potential viable option for MU. What doesn't alarm you about this?
What doesn't alarm me is that I have actually *listened* to the entire interview...not cherry-picked one or two quotes. I mean, the "Gonzaga model" quote was a complete throw-away.
As I said, he came off level headed, looking at various options, and knows full well how important this is for the future of Marquette basketball.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 12, 2012, 11:30:44 AM
I am fine with his interview in terms of what he said...still struggling though why all of the seven schools seem to be going public with their Big East gripes (not just LW) as I said in another thread. It is clearly a concerted effort to go public...so, who are they trying to leverage?...the remaining BE football schools? The ones like UC and UCONN who would like to jump at first blush? Get others like the Zags, Xavier, Butler to throw their hat into the ring? They are coming off as a group without a settled plan in public--half in and half out the door--and to me, compromising their negotiation stance...if and I say if, they remain in the hybrid BE.
As I said, it looks like Tulane changed everything in regards to their entrance...and really the Group of Seven have already decided to exit. I think the Commish is dead in the water at this point.
I have to wonder if making this meeting public was a bit of a power move. Certainly these guys have been talking for months if not years about this. Having a "public meeting" might motivate some schools outside of the Catholic 7 to declare their intentions and loyalty.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:31:50 AM
Once again, you fail to weigh in on the debate with any valid point. Just another 1 sentence personal attack. Well done PTM. Par for your course.
He attacked you, by calling you, you?
LW being ND guy means NOTHING to me. LW getting us in a top tier conference means EVERYTHING to me.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 12, 2012, 11:29:42 AM
Just to be clear, all of those quotes (including what was in the Providence Journal) came from the same interview that he did with Homer.
Might be cool to give it a listen.
Might be cool to actually try to wrap your head around Larry's logic...floating the Gonzaga model, dissing the A-10, tout 2 A-10 teams that left their small pond/big fish arrangement....
Why mention the Gonzaga model then? What's the point? There is nothing about that model that has any merit/leadership/vision....MU has worked hard to go from MCC, to Great Midwest to Conference USA to Big East...and this guy EVEN FLOATS the idea of going backward as a possible scenario??
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 12, 2012, 11:33:38 AM
I have to wonder if making this meeting public was a bit of a power move. Certainly these guys have been talking for months if not years about this. Having a "public meeting" might motivate some schools outside of the Catholic 7 to declare their intentions and loyalty.
That is exactly what I think they are doing. Public relations leverage. I'm sure supporters of all of these programs were wondering "WTF is going on???!!!???"
Quote from: Norm on December 12, 2012, 11:30:31 AM
I swear, if Larry Williams wasn't an ND grad we wouldn't have 3/4 of the posts bitching about him.
Personally, I could care less about his Notre Dame background....not sure why so many MU fans have a complex about Notre Dame anyway? Did many MU alum apply to Notre Dame and get rejected...and can't let go years and years later?
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:35:44 AM
Might be cool to actually try to wrap your head around Larry's logic...floating the Gonzaga model, dissing the A-10, tout 2 A-10 teams that left their small pond/big fish arrangement....
Why mention the Gonzaga model then? What's the point? There is nothing about that model that has any merit/leadership/vision....MU has worked hard to go from MCC, to Great Midwest to Conference USA to Big East...and this guy EVEN FLOATS the idea of going backward as a possible scenario??
He also said specifically that he is going to keep Marquette elite. This was not noted in the transcript. Again, it would help if you would listen.
Quote from: Goose on December 12, 2012, 11:34:17 AM
LW being ND guy means NOTHING to me. LW getting us in a top tier conference means EVERYTHING to me.
Goose ... you really ought forget this pipe dream about the Big 10, ACC, etc. wanting to add basketball only members and then including Marquette in that bunch. There's no upside to it for those conferences.
Marvin Miller couldn't pull off the deal. Well, when he was alive, at least.
Charming that someone thinks this thread is a "debate."
Quote from: reinko on December 12, 2012, 11:34:01 AM
He attacked you, by calling you, you?
Seems par for the course.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 12, 2012, 11:39:38 AM
He also said specifically that he is going to keep Marquette elite. This was not noted in the transcript. Again, it would help if you would listen.
Missed the quote about turning MU into StLU............
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 12, 2012, 11:16:25 AM
This is the full quote:
"What I would really like to communicate is we have the utmost attention of the athletic director and importantly our president on this subject, on this matter, making sure that we place Marquette in the most advantageous position we can be in. That may mean we're in another association where you use the Gonzaga model where you're the biggest, baddest dog in the shallow pond, think I got my analogies screwed up there, but you get the point. It's very important for Father Pilarz and for me that Marquette and its tradition is protected and enlivened so that it has the opportunity to maintain its elite standard, the standard it's earned over the course of many, many years from way back through the Al McGuire days."
You used the whole quote?! Apparently some posters saw only this part, which may have been slightly taken out of context...
"What I would really like to communicate is...the athletic director and importantly our president...screwed up."
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 12, 2012, 11:37:42 AM
That is exactly what I think they are doing. Public relations leverage. I'm sure supporters of all of these programs were wondering "WTF is going on???!!!???"
Boy...sure can create a lot of leverage by suggesting MU may consider going the Gonzaga model...big fish in a small pond....can you please explain to me how even floating (yes, even floating), that comment generates any leverage??
He basically just threw away any leverage he had...as he made it appear MU may not even go the route of the C7...so now the A-10, vindictive about his comments goes hard after the C-6 and says F you Marquette...go be the big fish in the small pond you see as being a viable option..
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:09:52 AM
So, on the Buzz Williams Basketball Hour yesterday, Larry Williams floats the idea MU fans should consider/brace for the possibility of the Gonzaga Model - A powerhouse/big fish in a small pond. Now today, Gonzaga is trying to get out of that very model. As did Butler. As did VCU. How ironic. Yet another big sh$tburger for Larry to eat...one day after he floats the Gonzaga model, Gonzaga is willing to fly coast to coast to get out of such a model.
What kind of leadership are we looking at that considers aiming small to go big, as a viable option?
Hey JuJuan, Duane, Deonte - come play in the Horizon league and get limited ESPN exposure, and compete against mid-major talent....
Where did you read that gonzaga is willing to fly coast to coast to get out of such a model?
http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/
Around the 14:45min. mark is worth noting as well. (starts the VCU and Butler conversation).
I haven't listened to the interview but it seems like he is trying to show how fluid this is. I don't like him bashing the A-10 publicly but am really glad that's how he views us. Maybe he's trying to reassure the MU fan base who haven't exactly warmed up to him yet.
Also, is the Gonzaga model a possibility? I think so. If Georgetown and St. Johns go to the ACC or something crazy, we may have to make due with a smaller conference where we would be the big name. I think we would be considered at least one of the top teams in the A10. They have St. Marys with them, so it isn't a walk-over for them, and it wouldn't be for us to win conference. It doesn't seem like the ideal solution, but one that has to be at least looked at in such fluid times. Realignment hasn't gone by a script, and we have little leverage, so there has to be a lot of options.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:42:32 AM
Boy...sure can create a lot of leverage by suggesting MU may consider going the Gonzaga model...big fish in a small pond....can you please explain to me how even floating (yes, even floating), that comment generates any leverage??
He basically just threw away any leverage he had...as he made it appear MU may not even go the route of the C7...so now the A-10, vindictive about his comments goes hard after the C-6 and says F you Marquette...go be the big fish in the small pond you see as being a viable option..
LW and Marquette aren't going to be afraid to do what they believe is the best for the school. That's the leverage.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:42:32 AM
Boy...sure can create a lot of leverage by suggesting MU may consider going the Gonzaga model...big fish in a small pond....can you please explain to me how even floating (yes, even floating), that comment generates any leverage??
He basically just threw away any leverage he had...as he made it appear MU may not even go the route of the C7...so now the A-10, vindictive about his comments goes hard after the C-6 and says F you Marquette...go be the big fish in the small pond you see as being a viable option..
Am I going to have to stick you on ignore again for awhile until you calm down?
Guys, a couple months ago I made the best decision I've ever made on MUScoop. I put Ners on ignore. I wrestled with it for awhile because I hate the premise of ignoring possibly useful information from any poster, but was at the point where, like bma, I was either going to leave the site or put Ners on ignore. I chose the ignore option and it was the best decision I ever made here.
If not for people quoting his posts, I wouldn't see any of what he's posting in this thread, but it's clearly par for the course. Ners is still upset about LW's comments about helping Buzz become a better coach and his comments regarding the WVU dance, so he will jump on anything, warranted or not, to attack the guy. Ners is like an elephant -- he forgets nothing. The slightest slight or comment he disagrees with will be remembered for weeks, months, even years, and he will try to attack anyone that made the perceived slight long after the fact.
It's similar to the Vander/Davante discussion we had around 2 years ago when both were freshmen. Ners never let that go, and any time I posted in a thread where either Vander or Davante was mentioned, he would bring up the same tired debate. It became exhausting, which ultimately led to my ignore decision.
Please, let me implore those of you caught in these same endless, useless debates to do the same. I can't even begin to explain how much more enjoyable MUScoop becomes within a week of putting Ners on ignore. The mods urged me for over a year to do it, and it was the wisest move I ever made. And the fewer people that listen and respond to his continued rants about the same tired topics, the more likely they will eventually just go away.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:35:44 AM
Might be cool to actually try to wrap your head around Larry's logic...floating the Gonzaga model, dissing the A-10, tout 2 A-10 teams that left their small pond/big fish arrangement....
Why mention the Gonzaga model then? What's the point? There is nothing about that model that has any merit/leadership/vision....MU has worked hard to go from MCC, to Great Midwest to Conference USA to Big East...and this guy EVEN FLOATS the idea of going backward as a possible scenario??
Well, if you listen, it's more of a casual conversation between Homer and LW, and I think the discussion they have is pretty good.
It's not an official press release, nor do I think LW was trying to float strategic information. Honestly, listen to it. The conversation is pretty long and takes a lot of turns, so picking out certain quotes really is deceiving.
Listen.
To.
It.
No, if Ners did not post here, we wouldn't have 3/4 of the posts bitching about LW...
Quote from: Norm on December 12, 2012, 11:30:31 AM
I swear, if Larry Williams wasn't an ND grad we wouldn't have 3/4 of the posts bitching about him.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:09:52 AM
So, on the Buzz Williams Basketball Hour yesterday, Larry Williams floats the idea MU fans should consider/brace for the possibility of the Gonzaga Model - A powerhouse/big fish in a small pond. Now today, Gonzaga is trying to get out of that very model. As did Butler. As did VCU. How ironic. Yet another big sh$tburger for Larry to eat...one day after he floats the Gonzaga model, Gonzaga is willing to fly coast to coast to get out of such a model.
What kind of leadership are we looking at that considers aiming small to go big, as a viable option?
Hey JuJuan, Duane, Deonte - come play in the Horizon league and get limited ESPN exposure, and compete against mid-major talent....
Good gravy, he did not back one plan over another. He suggested a number of options, just like any good exec will do. All options on the table. For all we know that is option 4 out of 4 and so distant behind the others that it has very little chance. But to suggest it isn't an option is also foolhardy, it is...an option. It has been an option that has been successful for some schools, thus it is an option. Boise State in football, UNLV won a national title under that model, Butler went to two championships in the last 3 years under that model, Gonzaga has done very well under that model.
Thus, it is an option, but you are absolutely grasping for straws if you think he has thrown his weight behind one option more than another or even remotely suggested anything of the kind.
Quite frankly, I appreciated his candor and talking intelligently about what some of the options are.
To go along with over-paraphrased quotes, I demand a critique of Larry's wardrobe while giving said quotes. Also, I don't believe anyone has yet offered the angle of the hidden context of this interview which also criticizes Buzz. Come on guys, you're slacking, there's got to be plenty more offense to find make up.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 12, 2012, 11:39:38 AM
He also said specifically that he is going to keep Marquette elite. This was not noted in the transcript. Again, it would help if you would listen.
Still waiting for someone to explain Larry's all over the place comments on the matter. Would you be willing?
Maybe Guns? PTM? Reinko? Any of my other haters here....please, just lay out a logical explanation for Larry's all over the place, contradictory comments of the last 24 hours:
1)MU could consider the Gonzaga model - big fish in small pond
2)Watered down Big East is better than current A-10
3)Yet there are 2 very good teams in the A-10 that are not Catholic schools - Butler and VCU - so not just restrictive to Catholic only schools
4)Butler and VCU just left the Big Fish in small pond model
5)Today, word comes out that Gonzaga wants to be a part of the C7, A-10, or whatever shakes out after all of this is done - yet another school who doesn't want to be a big fish in a small pond.
Please for the life of me, help me understand how you defend our A.D...when he makes such dense comments?
What the hell is everyone freaking out about? Geez, some of you are being ridiculous on a simple quote.
The Gonzaga model works if you're in Spokane Washington and don't play football. All he's saying is that "The world's not ending. We will value and support our basketball program to success no matter where we are or what happens in this conference clusterf*uck"
Relax ya'll.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:52:27 AM
Still waiting for someone to explain Larry's all over the place comments on the matter. Would you be willing?
Maybe Guns? PTM? Reinko? Any of my other haters here....please, just lay out a logical explanation for Larry's all over the place, contradictory comments of the last 24 hours:
1)MU could consider the Gonzaga model - big fish in small pond
2)Watered down Big East is better than current A-10
3)Yet there are 2 very good teams in the A-10 that are not Catholic schools - Butler and VCU - so not just restrictive to Catholic only schools
4)Butler and VCU just left the Big Fish in small pond model
5)Today, word comes out that Gonzaga wants to be a part of the C7, A-10, or whatever shakes out after all of this is done - yet another school who doesn't want to be a big fish in a small pond.
Please for the life of me, help me understand how you defend our A.D...when he makes such dense comments?
Honestly, he's not laying out specific plans, he's discussing open ended questions and topics presented by Homer... because fans like us are very curious about what is going on.
Give it a listen.
http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/
I've got a feeling this might end up a long thread.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:52:27 AM
Still waiting for someone to explain Larry's all over the place comments on the matter. Would you be willing?
Maybe Guns? PTM? Reinko? Any of my other haters here....please, just lay out a logical explanation for Larry's all over the place, contradictory comments of the last 24 hours:
1)MU could consider the Gonzaga model - big fish in small pond
2)Watered down Big East is better than current A-10
3)Yet there are 2 very good teams in the A-10 that are not Catholic schools - Butler and VCU - so not just restrictive to Catholic only schools
4)Butler and VCU just left the Big Fish in small pond model
5)Today, word comes out that Gonzaga wants to be a part of the C7, A-10, or whatever shakes out after all of this is done - yet another school who doesn't want to be a big fish in a small pond.
Please for the life of me, help me understand how you defend our A.D...when he makes such dense comments?
1. Listen to the interview
2. Read the comments, such as the one Chicos made above, to provide some context.
3. Come back for reasonable discussion
Until then, I really am not going to listen to you or entertain your "points" of view on the matter.
You would note, that *you* seem to be the only one that has a certain point of view. Oftentimes, when that has happened to me throughout my life, it causes me to reassess my point of view. I suggest you consider doing the same.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:35:44 AM
Might be cool to actually try to wrap your head around Larry's logic...floating the Gonzaga model, dissing the A-10, tout 2 A-10 teams that left their small pond/big fish arrangement....
Why mention the Gonzaga model then? What's the point? There is nothing about that model that has any merit/leadership/vision....MU has worked hard to go from MCC, to Great Midwest to Conference USA to Big East...and this guy EVEN FLOATS the idea of going backward as a possible scenario??
Shut up shut up, you can be president just shut up!
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I'm inclined to agree with Ners, i don't think it was a wise move by LW to even suggest MU is above the A-10 conference or wouldn't go there. Yes i know "listen to the convo" but if you read the article (the one chicos posted) that can be construed as MU is too good for the A-10 conference, so F*** them.
I see what Ners is saying, not everybody is going to listen to the audio.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:52:27 AM
Still waiting for someone to explain Larry's all over the place comments on the matter. Would you be willing?
Maybe Guns? PTM? Reinko? Any of my other haters here....please, just lay out a logical explanation for Larry's all over the place, contradictory comments of the last 24 hours:
1)MU could consider the Gonzaga model - big fish in small pond
2)Watered down Big East is better than current A-10
3)Yet there are 2 very good teams in the A-10 that are not Catholic schools - Butler and VCU - so not just restrictive to Catholic only schools
4)Butler and VCU just left the Big Fish in small pond model
5)Today, word comes out that Gonzaga wants to be a part of the C7, A-10, or whatever shakes out after all of this is done - yet another school who doesn't want to be a big fish in a small pond.
Please for the life of me, help me understand how you defend our A.D...when he makes such dense comments?
"That
may mean we're in another association where you use the Gonzaga model where you're the biggest, baddest dog in the shallow pond, think I got my analogies screwed up there, but you get the point."
Just to reiterate, he didn't say that the "Gonzaga model" is ideal or that he's pushing for the "Gonzaga model." He said that with all the conference realignment, Marquette may end up in a situation like that but, regardless, he wants to ensure that MU basketball keeps its elite standard.
Sounds like he is floating a new league made up of the Catholic 7 plus Butler and VCU as a viable alternative to movement to A-10 or staying in Big East. Could just be posturing for better leverage in negotiations with either of those leagues or could be seriously floating such a new conference. Either way, his comments do not bother me at this early stage in the game.
Quote from: JDuquaine on December 12, 2012, 11:59:16 AM
I'm inclined to agree with Ners, i don't think it was a wise move by LW to even suggest MU is above the A-10 conference or wouldn't go there. Yes i know "listen to the convo" but if you read the article (the one chicos posted) that can be construed as MU is too good for the A-10 conference, so F*** them.
I see what Ners is saying, not everybody is going to listen to the audio.
MU IS ABOVE the A-10. The idea has already been shot down. Read the article, it IS NOT HAPPENING. The sooner we get the silliness out of our heads about a 21 team league the better. IT IS NOT HAPPENING. Some A-10 schools are worth it, merging the Big East with the A-10 is not happening today, tomorrow, ever if the C7 are driving this. There is no there there and that's all that LW is saying as well as others. McNamara clearly stated that as well. It's a preposterous idea, much more preposterous than the Gonzaga model.
Talk about diluting the value of our program, let's lump ourselves in with 20 other schools in which many of them are mid major programs if we're lucky. That's not what G'Town, Nova, MU and others are going to do. If it takes blunt talk (though I would argue LW was more than diplomatic) to state that and get it through everyone's head, then that's what it takes. End that silly 21 team speculation right now.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 12, 2012, 11:33:38 AM
I have to wonder if making this meeting public was a bit of a power move. Certainly these guys have been talking for months if not years about this. Having a "public meeting" might motivate some schools outside of the Catholic 7 to declare their intentions and loyalty.
Well I have seen similar comments from the other schools...none of them supporting the hybrid BE...in fact, chipping away at it. These schools have clearly made a decision to split if they are going so public. No comments about staying and supporting the current model from any of them...just about the new. I still think you can use the leverage of leaving internally and keep this out of the press for future media dealings. They clearly have stepped over the line in the sand.
As to playing to the school alums...this has only caused more of a firestorm of questions. Don't see it placating anyone.
LW was hired to do a job and it appears he is woking on the conference moving forward. While I have little firm opinion of LW, I have zero problem with what he said or how he said it. We are better than A-10 and LW has deliver a conference that reflects us being better. If we end up in top tier conference than LW and Fr. P get kudo's....if they are big fish in small pond I will be very disappointed.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 12, 2012, 12:06:09 PM
MU IS ABOVE the A-10. The idea has already been shot down. Read the article, it IS NOT HAPPENING. The sooner we get the silliness out of our heads about a 21 team league the better. IT IS NOT HAPPENING. Some A-10 schools are worth it, merging the Big East with the A-10 is not happening today, tomorrow, ever if the C7 are driving this. There is no there there and that's all that LW is saying as well as others. McNamara clearly stated that as well. It's a preposterous idea, much more preposterous than the Gonzaga model.
Talk about diluting the value of our program, let's lump ourselves in with 20 other schools in which many of them are mid major programs if we're lucky. That's not what G'Town, Nova, MU and others are going to do. If it takes blunt talk (though I would argue LW was more than diplomatic) to state that and get it through everyone's head, then that's what it takes. End that silly 21 team speculation right now.
Hmmm... When did i say ANYTHING about all 7 schools going to the A-10? Don't think i did chief. I was taught never to burn bridges, I'm not saying LW did, however I've also heard that the A-10 might reach out to De Paul and MU since it makes sense.
Yes we all know MU is above the A-10, but if Georgetown leaves and somehow gets into the ACC, wouldn't it be great to have a contingency plan?
The wild card in the whole thing is Georgetown and possibly St. John's. I have sneaky feeling that Georgetown is thinking bigger and keeping all options on the table. I would be joined at the hip with Georgetown until this all shakes out. In today's world I would not trust anyone.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 12, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
Well I have seen similar comments from the other schools...none of them supporting the hybrid BE...in fact, chipping away at it. These schools have clearly made a decision to split if they are going so public. No comments about staying and supporting the current model from any of them...just about the new. I still think you can use the leverage of leaving internally and keep this out of the press for future media dealings. They clearly have stepped over the line in the sand.
As to playing to the school alums...this has only caused more of a firestorm of questions. Don't see it placating anyone.
Well, it is leading to entertaining threads on discussion boards.
But seriously, I find it reassuring that they are looking at all options. I assume that most others would feel the same way. (Except Nova-Ners and Hoya-Ners of course.)
The reality is that you are in a small pond, if you are not in a BCS football conference.
Quote from: bilsu on December 12, 2012, 12:16:10 PM
The reality is that you are in a small pond, if you are not in a BCS football conference.
If the "big pond" is Onondaga Lake or the Cuyahoga River, perhaps MU is better off in the small pond. At least it's stable.
Quote from: MU82 on December 12, 2012, 11:21:09 AM
Thanks for providing context, Sultan and Guns. Always helpful, though most folks just like to grab onto a word or a sentence and beat the you-know-what out of it.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 12, 2012, 11:41:14 AM
Charming that someone thinks this thread is a "debate."
It's kind of a nice throwback-- a peek, again, into Ners' special Bizarro MUScoop. Lots of straw men, ad hominems, and general screeching without any and/or massively cherry picked quotes/evidence.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 11:52:27 AM
Still waiting for someone to explain Larry's all over the place comments on the matter. Would you be willing?
Maybe Guns? PTM? Reinko? Any of my other haters here....please, just lay out a logical explanation for Larry's all over the place, contradictory comments of the last 24 hours:
1)MU could consider the Gonzaga model - big fish in small pond
2)Watered down Big East is better than current A-10
3)Yet there are 2 very good teams in the A-10 that are not Catholic schools - Butler and VCU - so not just restrictive to Catholic only schools
4)Butler and VCU just left the Big Fish in small pond model
5)Today, word comes out that Gonzaga wants to be a part of the C7, A-10, or whatever shakes out after all of this is done - yet another school who doesn't want to be a big fish in a small pond.
Please for the life of me, help me understand how you defend our A.D...when he makes such dense comments?
How about this for an explanation: At this point of time, with a lot of unknowns, Marquette is considering ALL their possible options, and thus taking the time to evaluate where each might lead. Through this, they will be prepared to make the best decision to keep Marquette at an elite level when the time is right.
LW is not saying we are doing any of the above, but yes, we should be prepared for the possibility of each.
Quote from: Goose on December 12, 2012, 12:14:09 PM
The wild card in the whole thing is Georgetown and possibly St. John's. I have sneaky feeling that Georgetown is thinking bigger and keeping all options on the table. I would be joined at the hip with Georgetown until this all shakes out. In today's world I would not trust anyone.
Except, obviously, Georgetown.
MU82
Agreed. Would not trust them and would be keeping closest eye on them.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 12, 2012, 11:16:25 AM
and you harp on one sentence that you take out of context.
Isn't that kinda what Ners does?
I listened to the comments live and then re-read them. I have no problem with what Larry Williams said or how he said it. It gave me good comfort to know that he holds our program in such high regard.
Bob
At the end of the day...it was absolutely stupid to make comments about even considering the Gonzaga model...talk about not having a big vision for your program...that shouldn't even be in the discussion...publicly.
You don't act like a big shot, and a valued property, while simultaneously making statements that you could also potentially be a big fish in a small pond conference. Its the ultimate hypocrisy. How so many here refuse to acknowledge this is comical.
Only way MU ends up in a small pond conference is if LW/Admin screw it up. And no - I wouldn't consider the A-10 with the other C7 schools small pond...nor would I consider the C7 and adding Xavier, Butler, VCU in any kind of way small pond. Small pond = Horizon.
Everyone agrees MU is/should be viewed as an elite program - why cheapen it with even broaching the small conference scenario?? Just another public relations mistake in Larry's world.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 12, 2012, 12:06:09 PM
MU IS ABOVE the A-10. The idea has already been shot down. Read the article, it IS NOT HAPPENING. The sooner we get the silliness out of our heads about a 21 team league the better. IT IS NOT HAPPENING. Some A-10 schools are worth it, merging the Big East with the A-10 is not happening today, tomorrow, ever if the C7 are driving this. There is no there there and that's all that LW is saying as well as others. McNamara clearly stated that as well. It's a preposterous idea, much more preposterous than the Gonzaga model.
Talk about diluting the value of our program, let's lump ourselves in with 20 other schools in which many of them are mid major programs if we're lucky. That's not what G'Town, Nova, MU and others are going to do. If it takes blunt talk (though I would argue LW was more than diplomatic) to state that and get it through everyone's head, then that's what it takes. End that silly 21 team speculation right now.
Preach Chicos
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 12, 2012, 11:54:46 AM
What the hell is everyone freaking out about? Geez, some of you are being ridiculous on a simple quote.
The Gonzaga model works if you're in Spokane Washington and don't play football. All he's saying is that "The world's not ending. We will value and support our basketball program to success no matter where we are or what happens in this conference clusterf*uck"
Relax ya'll.
Not everyone. Just Ners.
Quote from: TJ on December 12, 2012, 02:09:20 PM
Not everyone. Just Ners.
There were a few others that Guns and Sultan had to talk off the cliff, but they got there by listening to Ners.
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 12, 2012, 02:10:16 PM
There were a few others that Guns and Sultan had to talk off the cliff, but they got there by listening to Ners.
Do you think Ners listened to the interview yet? I was laughing as I saw the link posted over and over again in this thread.
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 12, 2012, 02:10:16 PM
There were a few others that Guns and Sultan had to talk off the cliff, but they got there by listening to Ners.
Every time Larry Williams says something, Ners turns into Frank Grimes. GRIMEY!
http://www.youtube.com/v/rOgS8gTATv8&fs=1&source=uds
Do I actually have to read any of this thread to confidently state that this is even dumber than the infamous "slap of five" thread started by the same poster?
thanks
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 12, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Do I actually have to read any of this thread to confidently state that this is even dumber than the infamous "slap of five" thread started by the same poster?
thanks
Dunno, the "Larry Williams is wearing a hat." was also a gem.
And the "Buzz is purposefully tanking at recruiting" thread 72
hours before John Dawson committed. Aging like fine wine, IMO.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 12, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Do I actually have to read any of this thread to confidently state that this is even dumber than the infamous "slap of five" thread started by the same poster?
thanks
Take 18min. and listen to this.
http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/
The thread is most 1 or 2 guys going off of the deep end, and several others trying to back them down. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
The podcast is a better use of you time.
Quote from: lab_warrior on December 12, 2012, 02:34:42 PM
Dunno, the "Larry Williams is wearing a hat." was also a gem.
And the "Buzz is purposefully tanking at recruiting" thread 72
hours before John Dawson committed. Aging like fine wine, IMO.
Sorry Lab - didn't comment on Larry's hat...and would love to see where I said Buzz is purposefully tanking at recruiting...
STILL WAITING for anyone/someone to make a valid point as to why it was good judgment/smart to even float the idea of possibly going the route of a Gonzaga - which was my original question in the whole thread...and I wonder why...because there is no good explanation...it was a bone-headed comment.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 02:57:22 PM
STILL WAITING for anyone/someone to make a valid point as to why it was good judgment/smart to even float the idea of possibly going the route of a Gonzaga - which was my original question in the whole thread...and I wonder why...because there is no good explanation...it was a bone-headed comment.
How about this: It was an off-the-cuff remark in which he was trying to say that no scenario is off the table....or maybe he doesn't want to show his cards right now....or maybe he simply enjoys fracking with you....
Quote from: warriorchick on December 12, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
How about this: It was an off-the-cuff remark in which he was trying to say that no scenario is off the table....or maybe he doesn't want to show his cards right now....or maybe he simply enjoys fracking with you....
Maybe it was this plus the fact that LW perhaps hasn't been a politician where any statement is fair game to be taken out of context to provide a soundbite to attack him by people who don't like him.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 02:57:22 PM
Sorry Lab - didn't comment on Larry's hat...and would love to see where I said Buzz is purposefully tanking at recruiting...
STILL WAITING for anyone/someone to make a valid point as to why it was good judgment/smart to even float the idea of possibly going the route of a Gonzaga - which was my original question in the whole thread...and I wonder why...because there is no good explanation...it was a bone-headed comment.
As someone that has been critical of LW, your reaction seems crazy Ners. If you listen to the whole interview I think he comes off like he has a complete grasp of the issues and understands the impact while also trying not to overpromise to the fanbase because he absolutely shouldn't back himself into a corner in public. Quite frankly it's some of his finest work to date, and I think you are really looking for boogiemen if this is how you react.
I'll save everyone the hassle of reading any of the thread. Quick summary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gSQg1i_q2g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gSQg1i_q2g)
Quote from: warriorchick on December 12, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
How about this: It was an off-the-cuff remark in which he was trying to say that no scenario is off the table....or maybe he doesn't want to show his cards right now....or maybe he simply enjoys fracking with you....
Exactly. Even though this has been explained to him multiple times, he will claim that no one is answering his question.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 02:57:22 PM
Sorry Lab - didn't comment on Larry's hat...and would love to see where I said Buzz is purposefully tanking at recruiting...
STILL WAITING for anyone/someone to make a valid point as to why it was good judgment/smart to even float the idea of possibly going the route of a Gonzaga - which was my original question in the whole thread...and I wonder why...because there is no good explanation...it was a bone-headed comment.
Ners, Larry was the head of AD's in the West Coast Conferece which includes Gonzaga...an affiliation of private, religiously-based schools who only offer Olympic Sports. LW was making an anology that Gonzaga, the basketball elite of the conference, seems to have a model that works as they are able to use the small conference, with less games, as a launching pad to schedule more national games against top schools and still be successful. The Gang of Seven is about to embark on a path of becoming the elite Olympics sport conference, but all the schools will be strong in hoops heritage. That was his analogy and that is what the difference is vs. the Zags. His point: He has studied all the alternatives.
As I said, I was questioning why the public shows of the seven in the past couple of days...but as time goes on today, it is apparent they are moving to dissolve. More so, unlike the panic of others, they appear to have actually studied their choices and have given the Commish notice that Tulane was the last straw and they intend to take back the confernce to its roots. They seem to have cover in the by-laws, an out clause in the MSG contract for the tournament, the window to vote, and reading between the lines, they may even have a media deal in-waiting with ESPN (at least consultations).
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 02:57:22 PM
Sorry Lab - didn't comment on Larry's hat...and would love to see where I said Buzz is purposefully tanking at recruiting...
STILL WAITING for anyone/someone to make a valid point as to why it was good judgment/smart to even float the idea of possibly going the route of a Gonzaga - which was my original question in the whole thread...and I wonder why...because there is no good explanation...it was a bone-headed comment.
Maybe at this point it's better to direct your question(s) at LW himself.
You could email him directly, or maybe he'll be on with Homer again sometime in the future (email homer?).
I don't think anybody here is going to give you the answer you want... and quite frankly LW probably won't either... but at least you might get some clarity.
Quote from: Benny B on December 12, 2012, 12:22:15 PM
If the "big pond" is Onondaga Lake or the Cuyahoga River, perhaps MU is better off in the small pond. At least it's stable.
Wait! Didn't the Cayahoga start on fire some years ago? We should probably worry about that.
Now, Onondaga Lake is different - never started on fire as far as I recall. But it is shallow - only 35 feet deep on average. We might need a deeper pond to play in.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 02:57:22 PM
STILL WAITING for anyone/someone to make a valid point as to why it was good judgment/smart to even float the idea of possibly going the route of a Gonzaga - which was my original question in the whole thread...and I wonder why...because there is no good explanation...it was a bone-headed comment.
I bet you're the type of guy who walks into the car dealer and tells the sales manager how much you just love the Explorer and would never ever ever consider driving a crappy Chevy, Jeep or GMC.
You flunk Negotiating 101.
You always want the other side to think you're indifferent to the other options--even if you really do have a preference.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 02:57:22 PM
Sorry Lab - didn't comment on Larry's hat...and would love to see where I said Buzz is purposefully tanking at recruiting...
Sure, right here, GRIMEY.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=33613.msg409688#msg409688
Quote from: Ners
It was a rough week for sure...perhaps a pre-cursor of things to come on the recruiting trail moving forward? Wonder if this is just coincidental? Or, perhaps if some of the passion for MU that once existed has been reduced, and we are now seeing this manifested. But hey, I'm already in the tin foil club so nothing shocking about this post.
FYI, that was on Sept. 23... soooooooo, on Sept. 26, Dawson commits, a mere 3 days after that particular
Glenn-Beck-sobbing-at-the-chalkboard masterpiece. You know, because Buzz had lost his passion
for MU, and it was starting to "manifest".
Suuurrrre.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=33685.msg410146#msg410146
KEEP GOING, GRIMEY!
Quote from: lab_warrior on December 12, 2012, 03:42:23 PM
Sure, right here, GRIMEY.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=33613.msg409688#msg409688
FYI, that was on Sept. 23... soooooooo, on Sept. 26, Dawson commits, a mere 3 days after that particular
Glenn-Beck-sobbing-at-the-chalkboard masterpiece. You know, because Buzz had lost his passion
for MU, and it was starting to "manifest".
Suuurrrre.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=33685.msg410146#msg410146
KEEP GOING, GRIMEY!
No where does it say purposefully tanking recruiting...just wondering if the passion had been reduced...there's a difference.....look forward to your next great sleuth search to uncover where I commented on Larry's Hat...
I for one like our arrogant SOB athletic director. Bout time somebody started acting like there was something to win here.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 12, 2012, 02:38:22 PM
Take 18min. and listen to this.
http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/
The thread is most 1 or 2 guys going off of the deep end, and several others trying to back them down. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
The podcast is a better use of you time.
Thanks Ammo!
"There might be well articulated and very deep reasons why you would do it otherwise. But dog-gone-it, I'm not concerned about that. I'm concerned about making sure that Marquette is in a position that it can take advantage of the great investment it's made in being successful in basketball."
that's an awesome statement and good on LW for strapping on a pair and sticking up for MU. this is the first we've heard from any of the C7 adminstrators on this topic and i'm glad it's our guy making the comments and relating them specifically to MU and his desire to put us in a solid postition.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 03:47:23 PM
No where does it say purposefully tanking recruiting...just wondering if the passion had been reduced...there's a difference.....look forward to your next great sleuth search to uncover where I commented on Larry's Hat...
Actually, no there's not. You were implying that Buzz was tanking at recruiting, flat out. I do enjoy the irony of you arguing semantics and REAL MEANING of comments, though, especially in this thread.
And I'll look forward to your next great, whiny baby, spiteful pants-s****ing, temper tantrum when LW makes any kind of public appearance or comments in print, radio, or televised media. Seriously, again, just start one big "I irrationally hate Larry Williams" thread and just post there. One stop shopping.
Ever consider this scenario - the Atlantic 10 (which you'll note has Atlantic in its title), invites Georgetown and Villanova only? Maybe St. Johns? Looks at a 18 team league just as the Big East once was....
Would Nova and Georgetown (if they can't get into a BCS league - which I still believe could happen for these two programs), rather join that league and abandon relationships with Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, and Marquette?
Does a 10 team Catholic league (with Butler and VCU) draw more of TV deal (per team) than what the current A-10 + Georgetown, Nova, and possibly St. John's would?
Why would Georgetown and Nova join the A10? They don't want to be in a conference with GW, LaSalle and St. Joes.
It is much more a likely scenario that the C7 stick together and cherry pick schools that add value.
Quote from: Ners on December 12, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
Ever consider this scenario - the Atlantic 10 (which you'll note has Atlantic in its title), invites Georgetown and Villanova only? Maybe St. Johns? Looks at a 18 team league just as the Big East once was....
Would Nova and Georgetown (if they can't get into a BCS league - which I still believe could happen for these two programs), rather join that league and abandon relationships with Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, and Marquette?
Long answer: No.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 12, 2012, 04:05:54 PM
Why would Georgetown and Nova join the A10? They don't want to be in a conference with GW, LaSalle and St. Joes.
It is much more a likely scenario that the C7 stick together and cherry pick schools that add value.
I tend to agree with you...but just threw it out there for consideration. However, cross-town rivalry games aren't necessarily a bad thing....and though Seton Hall, Providence, and DePaul have better basketball history - they haven't been any good for the better part of the last 15-20 years...not sure they've been better collectively than have GW, LaSalle and St. Joe's...
You don't understand the mindset. Georgetown views themselves as superior to GW. They don't want to be in the same conference. Same with Nova and the Philly schools.
If the C7 stick together, and add the likes of Xavier and some others, you have the best and most valuable, basketball-only conference in the country. They aren't leaving that for the A10.
This is a totally insane thread...can we lock it now? ?-(
And change the title to - Only read this if you want to see Ners make and idiotic argument with everybody else....
Quote from: MUUWUWM on December 12, 2012, 04:16:27 PM
This is a totally insane thread...can we lock it now? ?-(
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 12, 2012, 03:06:26 PM
Maybe it was this plus the fact that LW perhaps hasn't been a politician where any statement is fair game to be taken out of context to provide a soundbite to attack him by people who don't like him.
Ring a ding....winner winner and a chicken dinner coming your way.
Rather have LW be proactive and run the show then do nothing and play second-fiddle to another AD.
Would suit minor league Larry and Pilarz well.
That's all they know.
Might be the worst time for Wild to retire as conference realignment hits DEFCON 1.
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 12, 2012, 05:11:27 PM
Would suit minor league Larry and Pilarz well.
That's all they know.
Might be the worst time for Wild to retire as conference realignment hits DEFCON 1.
Looks like they are doing fine for the moment, but it's a very fluid situation. Some people here will be pissed off if we end up in anything less than the NBA Pacific Division, but right now we seem to be moving in alignment with the C7, doing our due diligence with Aresco and the Big East. Putting to bed any silliness of a A-21 conference.
What do you think they are doing poorly right now?
Quote from: MUUWUWM on December 12, 2012, 04:16:27 PM
This is a totally insane thread...can we lock it now? ?-(
Ners, I want to know if LW was picking his nose during the interview?
Good Lord, the guy was doing his job...well.
IN BEFORE THE LOCK.
Quote from: Warriors10 on December 12, 2012, 04:56:48 PM
Rather have LW be proactive and run the show then do nothing and play second-fiddle to another AD.
+1. He's quoted again in the latest ESPN article about the 7 leaning towards leaving. I really like that we appear to be the leaders on this movement; whether LW and Pilarz are just in the mix or not, they aren't making Marquette appear like wussies in this situation.
If the new Big East gets six tourney bids next year and a TV contract worth more than the $1.5m MU is getting now and it turns out that LW was the ringleader that made this happen, my question is will Ners and Stone Cold eat their shoes?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 12, 2012, 11:59:38 PM
Looks like they are doing fine for the moment, but it's a very fluid situation. Some people here will be pissed off if we end up in anything less than the NBA Pacific Division, but right now we seem to be moving in alignment with the C7, doing our due diligence with Aresco and the Big East. Putting to bed any silliness of a A-21 conference.
What do you think they are doing poorly right now?
+1
LW and Father P are doing exactly the right things and doing it in the correct methods. I'm a branded LW hater, but I think they have done good work and wouldn't change anything.
I'm far from Milwaukee, so most of the stuff I know about LW is what I read online, including on this site.
Folks here love to rag on the man -- maybe justifiably, maybe not -- but from everything I can tell he has done a fantastic leadership job on this difficult, frustrating issue concerning the direction of the Big East and Marquette's place in it.
This has been the single most important issue facing Marquette in years, at least since Crean left, and I'm quite happy with LW's stewardship.
How can you hate LW now?
If reports are correct, the C7 is breaking from the BE today. Who has been the most quoted guy on the subject leading up to this? LW. Whether or not he has played big chips in this deal, the press is making him to be the guy leading the charge. Kudos to LW.
Quote from: Benny B on December 13, 2012, 08:33:17 AM
If the new Big East gets six tourney bids next year and a TV contract worth more than the $1.5m MU is getting now and it turns out that LW was the ringleader that made this happen, my question is will Ners and Stone Cold eat their shoes?
Please, pics/vids or it didn't happen. I mean, literally, ginsu knife and fork. Shoes eaten.
To be fair, Larry is probably the most quoted because he was on an ESPN affiliate discussing the topic for close to 20min.
Buzz wasn't able to do his show, so LW stepped in, and thus the longform interview and subsequent quotes in print.
I liked the interview, but I don't know if that is an indication that somehow LW is helping lead the C7. I think it's more an indicator that none of the other AD's have done an interview like Larry did (yet) and some media members haven't had a chance to ask them yet.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 13, 2012, 09:21:47 AM
To be fair, Larry is probably the most quoted because he was on an ESPN affiliate discussing the topic for close to 20min.
Buzz wasn't able to do his show, so LW stepped in, and thus the longform interview and subsequent quotes in print.
I liked the interview, but I don't know if that is an indication that somehow LW is helping lead the C7. I think it's more an indicator that none of the other AD's have done an interview like Larry did (yet) and some media members haven't had a chance to ask them yet.
Totally agree with this, but regardless of the circumstances, the timing is great.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 13, 2012, 09:21:47 AM
To be fair, Larry is probably the most quoted because he was on an ESPN affiliate discussing the topic for close to 20min.
Buzz wasn't able to do his show, so LW stepped in, and thus the longform interview and subsequent quotes in print.
I liked the interview, but I don't know if that is an indication that somehow LW is helping lead the C7. I think it's more an indicator that none of the other AD's have done an interview like Larry did (yet) and some media members haven't had a chance to ask them yet.
Actually don't make the assumption that LW was simply stepping in for Buzz. He very well could have asked for time for this very purpose.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2012, 09:36:51 AM
Actually don't make the assumption that LW was simply stepping in for Buzz. He very well could have asked for time for this very purpose.
Could be. But, they don't get along, soooo....
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HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT LARRY WILLIAMS?!!?!??! CLEARLY HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS DOING!!!!!
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Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2012, 09:36:51 AM
Actually don't make the assumption that LW was simply stepping in for Buzz. He very well could have asked for time for this very purpose.
Just another example of arrogant Larry Williams trying to seize the spotlight.
Every time I look at the title of this thread, I chuckle. How can you possibly NOT support Larry Williams right now? For all the issues I've had with him in the past, he looks like the absolute rock star of the Big East over the past 3-4 days.
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 09:09:43 AM
How can you hate LW now?
If reports are correct, the C7 is breaking from the BE today. Who has been the most quoted guy on the subject leading up to this? LW. Whether or not he has played big chips in this deal, the press is making him to be the guy leading the charge. Kudos to LW.
But Ners took a quote out of context yesterday and MU has to join the Horizon League now.
The Catholic league has long been rumored for several years...maybe Lab Warrior can go back in my post history and find where I said after Pitt and CUSE left, that this was the direction we needed to take...as did many.
There's no genius in going to the Catholic 7 + hopefully cream of the crop of A-10. Love you guys who are trying to credit LW for being a visionary in this....anyone with half a brain could see this as the most likely/attractive outcome..especially now with the other defections that the C7 can dissolve the league...yet likely retain Big East name..
My point all along was that it was absolutely stupid to even mention the "Gonzaga model" big fish in small pond....regardless of whether it was an off the cuff remark...and it was stupid to piss on the A-10, as it might irrevocably offend someone.
Quote from: Ners on December 13, 2012, 10:26:18 AM
...and it was stupid to piss on the A-10, as it might irrevocably offend someone.
Is that someone named "Ners"?
Oh, and MU and LW are heading the direction you predicted/wanted, yet you are still mad about it?
C'mon.
Quote from: Ners on December 13, 2012, 10:26:18 AM
The Catholic league has long been rumored for several years...maybe Lab Warrior can go back in my post history and find where I said after Pitt and CUSE left, that this was the direction we needed to take...as did many.
There's no genius in going to the Catholic 7 + hopefully cream of the crop of A-10. Love you guys who are trying to credit LW for being a visionary in this....anyone with half a brain could see this as the most likely/attractive outcome..especially now with the other defections that the C7 can dissolve the league...yet likely retain Big East name..
My point all along was that it was absolutely stupid to even mention the "Gonzaga model" big fish in small pond....regardless of whether it was an off the cuff remark...and it was stupid to piss on the A-10, as it might irrevocably offend someone.
You might have a point on pissing off the A10, though I think you're making mountains out of LW's molehill comments. (They were not that offensive at all.)
You are flat out wrong with your continued whining about him mentioning Gonzaga.
But the biggest issue is that your blind rage toward the man has made you believe that he somehow deserves ultimate scorn for relatively innocuous comments made in a conversation with Homer, while at the same time deserves ZERO credit for any role he may have had in guiding MU through the current storm and into calmer waters.
Quote from: Ners on December 13, 2012, 10:26:18 AM
The Catholic league has long been rumored for several years...maybe Lab Warrior can go back in my post history and find where I said after Pitt and CUSE left, that this was the direction we needed to take...as did many.
There's no genius in going to the Catholic 7 + hopefully cream of the crop of A-10. Love you guys who are trying to credit LW for being a visionary in this....anyone with half a brain could see this as the most likely/attractive outcome..especially now with the other defections that the C7 can dissolve the league...yet likely retain Big East name..
My point all along was that it was absolutely stupid to even mention the "Gonzaga model" big fish in small pond....regardless of whether it was an off the cuff remark...and it was stupid to piss on the A-10, as it might irrevocably offend someone.
Ners, you got schooled. Your arch-enemy was in many ways the public face of this. He wins. Don't try to spin it now - it just makes you look like a little girl showing off her Christmas dress.
Telling the truth about the A-10 does not equal "pissing on" the A-10.
Besides apparently Ners and some A-10 diehards, nobody disagrees with a word LW said about the A-10.
Quote from: Ners on December 13, 2012, 10:26:18 AM
The Catholic league has long been rumored for several years...maybe Lab Warrior can go back in my post history and find where I said after Pitt and CUSE left, that this was the direction we needed to take...as did many.
There's no genius in going to the Catholic 7 + hopefully cream of the crop of A-10. Love you guys who are trying to credit LW for being a visionary in this....anyone with half a brain could see this as the most likely/attractive outcome..especially now with the other defections that the C7 can dissolve the league...yet likely retain Big East name..
My point all along was that it was absolutely stupid to even mention the "Gonzaga model" big fish in small pond....regardless of whether it was an off the cuff remark...and it was stupid to piss on the A-10, as it might irrevocably offend someone.
Just be quiet and eat your delicious, steaming pile of crow, like a good boy. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2012, 10:51:53 AM
Ners, you got schooled. Your arch-enemy was in many ways the public face of this. He wins. Don't try to spin it now - it just makes you look like a little girl showing off her Christmas dress.
You guys are like brothers with the fighting
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Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 13, 2012, 10:49:55 AM
Is that someone named "Ners"?
Oh, and MU and LW are heading the direction you predicted/wanted, yet you are still mad about it?
C'mon.
Ners straw men are fighting each other now...or is it just one straw ouroboros??
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Quote from: Ners on December 13, 2012, 10:26:18 AM
The Catholic league has long been rumored for several years...maybe Lab Warrior can go back in my post history and find where I said after Pitt and CUSE left, that this was the direction we needed to take...as did many.
There's no genius in going to the Catholic 7 + hopefully cream of the crop of A-10. Love you guys who are trying to credit LW for being a visionary in this....anyone with half a brain could see this as the most likely/attractive outcome..especially now with the other defections that the C7 can dissolve the league...yet likely retain Big East name..
My point all along was that it was absolutely stupid to even mention the "Gonzaga model" big fish in small pond....regardless of whether it was an off the cuff remark...and it was stupid to piss on the A-10, as it might irrevocably offend someone.
We all make mistakes here, Ners. I've made plenty. I would just walk away from this one. You don't like Larry, we all get it. He did nothing wrong with his comments, if anything it has helped bring clarity to the issue. No one else from the C7 was out there on the lead on this publicly, except Larry. We're about to gain our freedom today and dictate our own destiny rather than have it dictated for us. It may be a disaster, but at least we'll control that disaster to some extent.
I see this as a good thing that we have some control and Larry appears to asserting himself as a leader in this process. The whole title of your thread is something we might all be able to laugh at in the future....that's my hope and maybe you will agree in time as well. Just like I have with Buzz. There are still some things I don't care for with his program, but by and large he's a smart guy, has the program at heart and is doing justice by MU. I see no difference with Larry Williams at this point.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 13, 2012, 11:09:20 AM
We all make mistakes here, Ners. I've made plenty. I would just walk away from this one. You don't like Larry, we all get it. He did nothing wrong with his comments, if anything it has helped bring clarity to the issue. No one else from the C7 was out there on the lead on this publicly, except Larry. We're about to gain our freedom today and dictate our own destiny rather than have it dictated for us. It may be a disaster, but at least we'll control that disaster to some extent.
I see this as a good thing that we have some control and Larry appears to asserting himself as a leader in this process. The whole title of your thread is something we might all be able to laugh at in the future....that's my hope and maybe you will agree in time as well. Just like I have with Buzz. There are still some things I don't care for with his program, but by and large he's a smart guy, has the program at heart and is doing justice by MU. I see no difference with Larry Williams at this point.
Thanks for the gasoline!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 13, 2012, 11:10:43 AM
Thanks for the gasoline!
Burn baby Burn. Who knows how deep the well of Ners' hatred for LW goes? After all, LW did suggest that he could use his position to help one of his employees improve himself.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2012, 10:51:53 AM
Ners, you got schooled. Your arch-enemy was in many ways the public face of this.
Larry Williams is Chicos.
Chicos is Larry Williams.
Larry Williams is a man.