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Title: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Aughnanure on December 04, 2012, 03:18:13 PM
FWIW, but it's picking up big on message boards.

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ESPN Austin says FSU is imminent to the Big 12.

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football/2012/12/04/college-football-rumors-florida-state-headed-to-the-big-12/
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: MU_Beav on December 04, 2012, 03:43:38 PM
Just fine - the sooner the better...
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: AirPunches on December 04, 2012, 03:45:18 PM
Well, we should know our fate soon enough. Just happy they didn't wait till summer.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Pakuni on December 04, 2012, 03:48:52 PM
There aren't many out there with better sources than The Dude of WV.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 04, 2012, 03:50:20 PM
ACC is in the same boat as the Big East.

Will they take Cincy or uconn?  Is the ACC so weak they cannot poach anyone but a Big East football team?
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: MUBasketball on December 04, 2012, 03:51:10 PM
If true, why am I not seeing anything on Twitter? Usually there is a ton of chatter before this stuff happens.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Aughnanure on December 04, 2012, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 04, 2012, 03:50:20 PM
ACC is in the same boat as the Big East.

Will they take Cincy or uconn?  Is the ACC so weak they cannot poach anyone but a Big East football team?


I would question that FSU is going alone. There is usually a 2nd team.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: JTBMU7 on December 04, 2012, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 04, 2012, 03:51:42 PM
I would question that FSU is going alone. There is usually a 2nd team.
assuming clemson would make sense, if that's even possible anymore in this mess.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: 79Warrior on December 04, 2012, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 04, 2012, 03:50:20 PM
ACC is in the same boat as the Big East.

Will they take Cincy or uconn?  Is the ACC so weak they cannot poach anyone but a Big East football team?


Yep.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: GGGG on December 04, 2012, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on December 04, 2012, 03:48:52 PM
There aren't many out there with better sources than The Dude of WV.


I think this is supposed to be in teal, because his sources are whatever idea he makes up in his mind.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Groin_pull on December 04, 2012, 04:55:14 PM
Good. Then the ACC can grab UConn and we can all finally move on.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 04, 2012, 05:50:31 PM
The next show to drop is the big ACC collapse. 

Fla State to B12
VA and Geo Tech to B10
Miami and Clemson to the SEC

The ACC will replace them with Cincy, Uconn, USF, and maybe Temple and so on.  What emerges is a crappy second tier BCS football conference,

I still stand my belief that when all this happens, the ACC is so watered down that ND backs out (realizing them moved too early and it was a mistake) and UNC will jump somewhere, anywhere but the ACC.  Duke and Boston College are screwed.  Where do they go?

Now if the ACC wants to show the world they are a "big boy" conference, then get West Virginia to jump from the B12 to the ACC.

I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Abode4life on December 04, 2012, 06:00:33 PM
Everyone knows it's only a matter of time before the Big 12 tries to expand, especially considering they only have 10 teams.  They want to get back to 12 to have a conference championship at least.  Its just a question of which way they are able to expand.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 04, 2012, 06:06:37 PM
It's funny how I used to hate to see a team switch conferences and now I can't wait for it to happen.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: MUCam on December 04, 2012, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 04, 2012, 05:50:31 PM
The next show to drop is the big ACC collapse.  

Fla State to B12
VA and Geo Tech to B10
Miami and Clemson to the SEC

I still stand my belief that when all this happens, the ACC is so watered down that ND backs out (realizing them moved too early and it was a mistake)...


Bingo. And don't think for a second that this collapse was just happenstance and not the Machiavellian plan of one Jim Delaney.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned or like the Big Ten scorned by ND. This recent round began with Big Ten moves. No doubt that the extra television sets helped cement the move, but I would be surprised if Notre Dane's move wasn't the main catalyst even if never admitted to.

Delaney and his mighty Big Ten will make ND succomb...or so thinks Mr. Delaney.

EDIT: On an unrelated note, I love smart phones but my fat ass fingers can't type for a damn on them.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: chr31ter on December 04, 2012, 10:58:25 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 04, 2012, 05:50:31 PM

Fla State to B12
VA and Geo Tech to B10
Miami and Clemson to the SEC

Just a guess... Florida and South Carolina would block Miami and Clemson.

UNC and UVA to the SEC
FSU and Clemson to the Big12
UConn and Cincy to the ACC
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2012, 06:58:09 AM
In any dance card switches, there are a free things to remember:

1) The B1G puts a priority on AAU schools. From the ACC, that makes UNC, UVA, and Ga Tech the most likely targets. Any of those would also likely go B1G before going Big 12.
2) Private schools won't likely be anyone's targets. Simply not enough clout. That means Duke, Miami, Wake, and BC are likely ACC, merger, or table scraps.
3) Some state schools are linked by legislation. UNC/NC State and UVA/Va Tech might have a hard time separating.
4) Expanding markets matters. The SEC or B1G won't likely add state-overlapping schools in markets they have. There's no need for the SEC to add Clemson or Miami just like the B1G doesn't need Pitt or Syracuse (sorry Orange...they apparently already have NYC now).
5) Athletic program quality doesn't matter. Rutgers and Maryland made that abundantly clear.

With those in mind, I think FSU and Clemson go to the Big 12. If not Clemson, maybe Louisville. But none of those 3 provide a new market for the SEC or have the AAU status coveted by the B1G.

The B1G will then likely take Ga Tech and either UVA or UNC. I know there's legislation issues, but they'll take whichever they can get around. My money is on UNC being the main target because they already have a foothold in Virginia through the DMV market delivered by Maryland.

Then the SEC takes the leftover legislative break (guessing NC State) and pushes for either one of the Virginia schools or tries to raid the Big 12 again.

In the end, the Big East and ACC will have to merge or die. It'll be interesting to see what amalgamation comes of that, and if they have room for basketball only schools.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: real chili 83 on December 05, 2012, 07:28:36 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 05, 2012, 06:58:09 AM
In the end, the Big East and ACC will have to merge or die. It'll be interesting to see what amalgamation comes of that, and if they have room for basketball only schools.

Marquette's future is either here, with the merger of the Big East and ACC, or in a revised BE where the BBall only schools reform the BE once enough Fball schools leave (giving BBall schools voting leverage).

Sequentially, I can see the BBall schools biding their time and waiting to have enough votes to reform a BBall centered conference.  Then, they cherry pick other strong BBall programs who are left adrift by continued conference realignment, and want be a part of the newly reformed Big East powerhouse basketball centered conference.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 05, 2012, 07:29:15 AM
Quote from: MUCam on December 04, 2012, 10:44:36 PM

EDIT: On an unrelated note, I love smart phones but my fat ass fingers can't type for a damn on them.

Ditto!  I have a different but similar smart phone problem.  I keep trying to scroll threads on MUScoop to read posts and I always seem to accidently press "Report to Moderator".  It's quickly followed by some curse words and "no, no, no" while hitting the back button.  I apologize in advance to anyone.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 05, 2012, 07:42:49 AM
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 05, 2012, 07:29:15 AM
Ditto!  I have a different but similar smart phone problem.  I keep trying to scroll threads on MUScoop to read posts and I always seem to accidently press "Report to Moderator".  It's quickly followed by some curse words and "no, no, no" while hitting the back button.  I apologize in advance to anyone.

its okay, you have to give a reason and confirm when reporting. :)
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 05, 2012, 08:55:08 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 05, 2012, 07:42:49 AM
its okay, you have to give a reason and confirm when reporting. :)

Thank goodness!
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 05, 2012, 09:28:00 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 05, 2012, 06:58:09 AM
In any dance card switches, there are a free things to remember:

1) The B1G puts a priority on AAU schools. From the ACC, that makes UNC, UVA, and Ga Tech the most likely targets. Any of those would also likely go B1G before going Big 12.
2) Private schools won't likely be anyone's targets. Simply not enough clout. That means Duke, Miami, Wake, and BC are likely ACC, merger, or table scraps.
3) Some state schools are linked by legislation. UNC/NC State and UVA/Va Tech might have a hard time separating.
4) Expanding markets matters. The SEC or B1G won't likely add state-overlapping schools in markets they have. There's no need for the SEC to add Clemson or Miami just like the B1G doesn't need Pitt or Syracuse (sorry Orange...they apparently already have NYC now).
5) Athletic program quality doesn't matter. Rutgers and Maryland made that abundantly clear.

With those in mind, I think FSU and Clemson go to the Big 12. If not Clemson, maybe Louisville. But none of those 3 provide a new market for the SEC or have the AAU status coveted by the B1G.

The B1G will then likely take Ga Tech and either UVA or UNC. I know there's legislation issues, but they'll take whichever they can get around. My money is on UNC being the main target because they already have a foothold in Virginia through the DMV market delivered by Maryland.

Then the SEC takes the leftover legislative break (guessing NC State) and pushes for either one of the Virginia schools or tries to raid the Big 12 again.

In the end, the Big East and ACC will have to merge or die. It'll be interesting to see what amalgamation comes of that, and if they have room for basketball only schools.

Good analysis Brew.  I think we are in agreement that the boom is about to get lowered on the ACC and we'll see what comes out of that.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Aughnanure on December 05, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
Scout: FSU Move to Big 12 Imminent?

http://floridastate.scout.com/a.z?s=16&p=2&c=1246469&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2ffloridastate.scout.com%2f2%2f1246469.html
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 05, 2012, 09:37:44 AM
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 05, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
Scout: FSU Move to Big 12 Imminent?

http://floridastate.scout.com/a.z?s=16&p=2&c=1246469&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2ffloridastate.scout.com%2f2%2f1246469.html


Can someone post this story?
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Aughnanure on December 05, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
Chip Brown is starting to tweet and write about this...which means WATCH OUT

Chip Brown ‏@ChipBrownOB
Will #Big12 get off expansion sidelines with Florida State looking around? Orangebloods has latest ... http://bit.ly/VzP1de  #FSU #Longhorns

Chip Brown ‏@ChipBrownOB
What would the divisions be if the #Big12 ever added #FlaSt #Clemson #Miami and #VaTech? Talking about it now at http://ChipBrownShow.com .

Will the Big12 Get off the [Realignment] Sidelines?
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1445262
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Abode4life on December 05, 2012, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 05, 2012, 06:58:09 AM
In any dance card switches, there are a free things to remember:

1) The B1G puts a priority on AAU schools. From the ACC, that makes UNC, UVA, and Ga Tech the most likely targets. Any of those would also likely go B1G before going Big 12.
2) Private schools won't likely be anyone's targets. Simply not enough clout. That means Duke, Miami, Wake, and BC are likely ACC, merger, or table scraps.
3) Some state schools are linked by legislation. UNC/NC State and UVA/Va Tech might have a hard time separating.
4) Expanding markets matters. The SEC or B1G won't likely add state-overlapping schools in markets they have. There's no need for the SEC to add Clemson or Miami just like the B1G doesn't need Pitt or Syracuse (sorry Orange...they apparently already have NYC now).
5) Athletic program quality doesn't matter. Rutgers and Maryland made that abundantly clear.

With those in mind, I think FSU and Clemson go to the Big 12. If not Clemson, maybe Louisville. But none of those 3 provide a new market for the SEC or have the AAU status coveted by the B1G.

The B1G will then likely take Ga Tech and either UVA or UNC. I know there's legislation issues, but they'll take whichever they can get around. My money is on UNC being the main target because they already have a foothold in Virginia through the DMV market delivered by Maryland.

Then the SEC takes the leftover legislative break (guessing NC State) and pushes for either one of the Virginia schools or tries to raid the Big 12 again.

In the end, the Big East and ACC will have to merge or die. It'll be interesting to see what amalgamation comes of that, and if they have room for basketball only schools.

My question now with Notre Dame getting back to the National Championship, and with all of this happening, do they rethink them going on their own?  Granted their reasoning for joining the ACC was to help with scheduling, and the combining of conferences would only inhibit them more as there will be less non-con games for the super conferences, but does their pride of "We're Notre Dame" get the best of them and they try to go alone in Football.  That could be an opportunity for the basketball only schools to bring them back in and strengthen the league from a bball perspective. 
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Aughnanure on December 05, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
Quote from: Abode4life on December 05, 2012, 10:59:23 AM
My question now with Notre Dame getting back to the National Championship, and with all of this happening, do they rethink them going on their own?  Granted their reasoning for joining the ACC was to help with scheduling, and the combining of conferences would only inhibit them more as there will be less non-con games for the super conferences, but does their pride of "We're Notre Dame" get the best of them and they try to go alone in Football.  That could be an opportunity for the basketball only schools to bring them back in and strengthen the league from a bball perspective. 


Notre Dame would be amazing to have back in the fold, but I doubt it. ND will join a conference (in football) when the CFB playoff system makes them (i.e., conference champs are eligible). I think they stay in the ACC no matter what - as it best supports their Olympic sports and will still be a good basketball league- even with possible defections.

I think at least 6 of these 8 will be part of the ACC after the B1G, Big XII and SEC get their to their magic 16:

Duke, Syracuse, UConn, Boston College, Wake Forest, Louisville, Pitt, Cincy.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: GGGG on December 05, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/12/03/In-Depth/Maryland.aspx

This is why I don't think you are going to see much happen.  I think the B10 has informal invitations out, and has for awhile, but no one is as desperate as Maryland was.  I don't think UVa, UNC and GT are begging for invitations right now.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Abode4life on December 05, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 05, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/12/03/In-Depth/Maryland.aspx

This is why I don't think you are going to see much happen.  I think the B10 has informal invitations out, and has for awhile, but no one is as desperate as Maryland was.  I don't think UVa, UNC and GT are begging for invitations right now.

So you think that even though none of the ACCs eight public schools turned a profit in 2010-11 means that if the SEC/BIG start pushing harder in fear of the Big 12 coming for FSU, they won't listen?  I think a lot of people are more in fear of the unknown, which is why they would make a move more than any rational thought process. 
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Pakuni on December 05, 2012, 12:03:53 PM
Quote from: Abode4life on December 05, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
So you think that even though none of the ACCs eight public schools turned a profit in 2010-11 means that if the SEC/BIG start pushing harder in fear of the Big 12 coming for FSU, they won't listen?  I think a lot of people are more in fear of the unknown, which is why they would make a move more than any rational thought process. 


I tend to agree. I think everyone is in panic mode right now and will jump at the first opportunity to grab on to a situation they believe is less tenuous than their own.
And I love the irony that in just about 12 short months the ACC has gone from poacher to poachee.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: MUEng92 on December 05, 2012, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 05, 2012, 07:29:15 AM
Ditto!  I have a different but similar smart phone problem.  I keep trying to scroll threads on MUScoop to read posts and I always seem to accidently press "Report to Moderator".  It's quickly followed by some curse words and "no, no, no" while hitting the back button.  I apologize in advance to anyone.
Conservatively, I have probably "almost reported" about fifty posts in the last couple years.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 05, 2012, 02:08:55 PM
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 05, 2012, 07:29:15 AM
Ditto!  I have a different but similar smart phone problem.  I keep trying to scroll threads on MUScoop to read posts and I always seem to accidently press "Report to Moderator".  It's quickly followed by some curse words and "no, no, no" while hitting the back button.  I apologize in advance to anyone.

I just reported you.   ;D
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: GGGG on December 05, 2012, 02:18:11 PM
Quote from: Abode4life on December 05, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
So you think that even though none of the ACCs eight public schools turned a profit in 2010-11 means that if the SEC/BIG start pushing harder in fear of the Big 12 coming for FSU, they won't listen?  I think a lot of people are more in fear of the unknown, which is why they would make a move more than any rational thought process. 


I don't think the ACC is in a panic mode at all.  They have lost one member - and added three.  The problem is that you can only leave your conference once - and sometimes its going to take more than $5M per year to get that to happen.  And I, and many others, have preached about the misleading "profit" figures from intercollegiate athletics.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: lurch91 on December 05, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
I find it interesting that the theory is that ESPN is the one that screwed the Big East over after the Big East turned down their contract offer a few summers ago.  The AD for Boston College seemed to confirmed that ESPN told the ACC who to poach from the Big East (Pittsburg and Syracuse).  Now, just a year later the dominoes that ESPN seemed to set in motion have just kicked the ACC in the crotch.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 05, 2012, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: lurch91 on December 05, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
I find it interesting that the theory is thag ESPN is the one that screwed the Big East over after the Big East turned down their contract offer a few summers ago.  The AD for Boston College seemed to confirmed that ESPN told the ACC who to poach from the Big East (Pittsburg and Syracuse).  Now, just a year later the dominoes that ESPN seemed to set in motion have just kicked the ACC in the crotch.

What comes around goes around.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: JoBo2756 on December 05, 2012, 07:15:25 PM
This is so comical. I have no idea who is in the Big East and the ACC.

I'd love to see an infographic in the shape of a US map of all the changes in the past two years and the money signs on who is getting big contracts and paying big exit fees... might be insightful and put things in perspective.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 05, 2012, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: JoBo2756 on December 05, 2012, 07:15:25 PM
This is so comical. I have no idea who is in the Big East and the ACC.

I'd love to see an infographic in the shape of a US map of all the changes in the past two years and the money signs on who is getting big contracts and paying big exit fees... might be insightful and put things in perspective.

All of these exit fees could balance the stupid fucking budget.
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Aughnanure on December 05, 2012, 08:46:25 PM
Big Ten eyes further expansion

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8718339/16-team-big-ten-michigan-state-spartans-ad-mark-hollis-sees-advantages
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: avid1010 on December 05, 2012, 09:08:59 PM
Quote from: lurch91 on December 05, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
I find it interesting that the theory is that ESPN is the one that screwed the Big East over after the Big East turned down their contract offer a few summers ago.  The AD for Boston College seemed to confirmed that ESPN told the ACC who to poach from the Big East (Pittsburg and Syracuse).  Now, just a year later the dominoes that ESPN seemed to set in motion have just kicked the ACC in the crotch.
i find this to be my number one concern as to why the acc won't fail.  i take everything on this board with the understanding that we're looking for reasons and articles to believe the acc will fail because of what they did to the beast, but i'm not sure i can see espn allowing for the acc to fail...here's to hoping i'm wrong. 
Title: Re: Tampa Radio/ESPN Austin Rumor: Florida St Accepts Big XII Offer
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 06, 2012, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: avid1010 on December 05, 2012, 09:08:59 PM
i find this to be my number one concern as to why the acc won't fail.  i take everything on this board with the understanding that we're looking for reasons and articles to believe the acc will fail because of what they did to the beast, but i'm not sure i can see espn allowing for the acc to fail...here's to hoping i'm wrong. 

If this is true (and I do not doubt it) then it makes the ACC impending collapse more likely.

The SEC has a TV contract with CBS
The Big 10 has its own TV network
The Big 12 has a TV deal with ABC/ESPN and Fox

CBS, the BTN and FOX will all advise who from the ACC should be poached.  ESPN cannot control the SEC and Big 10.  It only has partial control over the Big 12.

ESPN cannot stop it and they started the process the other networks will follow,
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