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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: unforgiven on December 04, 2012, 11:34:10 AM
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What's with the Harbaugh's and sportsmanship. The look on Tomlin's face is great. Watch Harbaugh walk after him for whatever reason. How were the Harbaugh's raised to have such a sense of entitlement?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tomlin-john-harbaugh-awkward-handshake-ravens-steelers-game-143149566--nfl.html
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The Harbaugh boys weren't always like that. Clearly their brother-in-law has had a negative effect on them.
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What's with the Harbaugh's and sportsmanship. The look on Tomlin's face is great. Watch Harbaugh walk after him for whatever reason. How were the Harbaugh's raised to have such a sense of entitlement?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tomlin-john-harbaugh-awkward-handshake-ravens-steelers-game-143149566--nfl.html
Personally, I thought Tomlin was the one who acted arrogant...Harbaugh stopped his walk to congratulate Tomlin (as do most NFL coaches)...Tomlin didn't break stride.
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. How were the Harbaugh's raised to have such a sense of entitlement?
My roommate who goes to MU is actually cousins with the Harbaugh's, he's a very nice guy. I definitely don't see any resemblance to his older cousins.
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Personally, I thought Tomlin was the one who acted arrogant...Harbaugh stopped his walk to congratulate Tomlin (as do most NFL coaches)...Tomlin didn't break stride.
Post game hand shakes are fly bys. Tomlin did the grip which is the minimum but he did it. I see no need for any conversation (think Tom Crean fly by). Harbaugh crossed the line when he yanked Tomlin back and essentially said "How dare you! I am talking to you!" The look on Tomlin's face was priceless but he had the presence of mind to congratulate Harbaugh back and tell him good game. He was weel within his rights to cold cock that arrogant dick.
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Post game hand shakes are fly bys. Tomlin did the grip which is the minimum but he did it. I see no need for any conversation (think Tom Crean fly by). Harbaugh crossed the line when he yanked Tomlin back and essentially said "How dare you! I am talking to you!" The look on Tomlin's face was priceless but he had the presence of mind to congratulate Harbaugh back and tell him good game. He was weel within his rights to cold cock that arrogant dick.
Let it go dude.
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Post game hand shakes are fly bys. Tomlin did the grip which is the minimum but he did it. I see no need for any conversation (think Tom Crean fly by). Harbaugh crossed the line when he yanked Tomlin back and essentially said "How dare you! I am talking to you!" The look on Tomlin's face was priceless but he had the presence of mind to congratulate Harbaugh back and tell him good game. He was weel within his rights to cold cock that arrogant dick.
So, you're saying no jury on earth would convict him of battery based on the video? I'm guessing that you've spent a few nights in the slammer, yourself.
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So, you're saying no jury on earth would convict him of battery based on the video? I'm guessing that you've spent a few nights in the slammer, yourself.
I'm guessing he spends a lot of time discussing what he would have done to that guy had he said just one more thing.
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I'm guessing he spends a lot of time discussing what he would have done to that guy had he said just one more thing.
Yeah, I think you probably got it right.
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What's with the Harbaugh's and sportsmanship. The look on Tomlin's face is great. Watch Harbaugh walk after him for whatever reason. How were the Harbaugh's raised to have such a sense of entitlement?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tomlin-john-harbaugh-awkward-handshake-ravens-steelers-game-143149566--nfl.html
Can we get one of your Haikus?
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We care because ....?
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We care because ....?
You're reading it if you don't care because...?
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You're reading it if you don't care because...?
I clicked on the thread foolishly thinking it might have something to do with Marquette basketball ... cause, you know, it was in the Marquette basketball forum.
My mistake, and I really ought to know better.
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It's a shame that the OP continuously doesn't realize what the purpose for the Superbar is.
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Can we get one of your Haikus?
Just real quick:
Left at the altar.
Jilted lover ever more.
I cannot move on.
Edited to add: I honestly don't remember if Warthog/Unforgiven is one of those who is having trouble moving on (and I'm not inclined to look)...just what I thought of when I saw the thread about Harbaugh (and some of the comments).
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Well played, Chico's.
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Can we get one of your Haikus?
I do miss the old Warthog. This new one seems so angry.
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I clicked on the thread foolishly thinking it might have something to do with Marquette basketball ... cause, you know, it was in the Marquette basketball forum.
My mistake, and I really ought to know better.
As did I.... :o Doh!
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I do miss the old Warthog. This new one seems so angry.
PTSD.
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PTSD.
classless, even for you.
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classless, even for you.
Lol...it was a joke. Sorry I can't be as "witty" as you...
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Lol...it was a joke. Sorry I can't be as "witty" as you...
I liked it.
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Lol...it was a joke. Sorry I can't be as "witty" as you...
sorry, I don't find a PSTD joke about an air force pilot very funny.
like warthog's posts or not, that crossed a line.
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Just real quick:
Left at the altar.
Jilted lover ever more.
I cannot move on.
Hog can't be jilted
He saw right through the phony
Before he left town
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sorry, I don't find a PSTD joke about an air force pilot very funny.
like warthog's posts or not, that crossed a line.
Agreed
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PTSD.
When you get your fat @ss off your government-funded education desk job and do something useful for the country, let us all know.
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If indeed it is warthog, which I strongly believe, that did cross the line.
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When you get your fat @ss off your government-funded education desk job and do something useful for the country, let us all know.
lol mad.
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sorry, I don't find a PSTD joke about an air force pilot very funny.
like warthog's posts or not, that crossed a line.
Oh well. Like I said, I guess I just have a ways to go before I can reach your level of humor. Some day Ziggy....some day....
When you get your fat @ss off your government-funded education desk job and do something useful for the country, let us all know.
Someday...someday. Right now I'm concentrating on burning the Benjamins that the taxpayers of Indiana send me every month. It's a hard job.
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Smells like sex in here.
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When you get your fat @ss off your government-funded education desk job and do something useful for the country, let us all know.
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Smells like sex in here.
You the dog from The League??
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You the dog from The League??
Next time, jerk off in your van like a gentleman.
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Oh well. Like I said, I guess I just have a ways to go before I can reach your level of humor. Some day Ziggy....some day....
Someday...someday. Right now I'm concentrating on burning the Benjamins that the taxpayers of Indiana send me every month. It's a hard job.
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BBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
See??????????? How could I ever top that!!!!!!!!!!?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????
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BBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
See??????????? How could I ever top that!!!!!!!!!!?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????
Ever thought about simply saying - I'm sorry, my "joke" wasn't in good taste. My bad.
PTSD is a very real, and sad outcome for many who have fought for our country and put their lives in danger, had to kill people, etc. It never should be referenced in any joking scenario.
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Ever thought about simply saying - I'm sorry, my "joke" wasn't in good taste. My bad.
PTSD is a very real, and sad outcome for many who have fought for our country and put their lives in danger, had to kill people, etc. It never should be referenced in any joking scenario.
It's sooooo hard to keep this all straight. What I can joke about...what I can't.
Can you provide me a list?
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Ever thought about simply saying - I'm sorry, my "joke" wasn't in good taste. My bad.
PTSD is a very real, and sad outcome for many who have fought for our country and put their lives in danger, had to kill people, etc. It never should be referenced in any joking scenario.
If could make a list of things that are sad and sensitive and that people should never make a joke about it please also include:
~Racism
~Poverty
~Gay people
~9/11
~Drugs
~Abortion
~Death
~Religion
~And basically every episode of South Park, every standup routine by George Carlin, Louis CK, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle...
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If could make a list of things that are sad and sensitive and that people should never make a joke about it please also include:
~Racism
~Poverty
~Gay people
~9/11
~Drugs
~Abortion
~Death
~Religion
~And basically every episode of South Park, every standup routine by George Carlin, Louis CK, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle...
Did you ever hear the one about the gay priest and the poor black woman who died of a drug overdose after having an abortion on 9/11?
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It's sooooo hard to keep this all straight. What I can joke about...what I can't.
Can you provide me a list?
'merica
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sorry, I don't find a PSTD joke about an air force pilot very funny.
like warthog's posts or not, that crossed a line.
People that want to draw lines, and boundaries, and decide what is sacred to make fun of and what is not are way more dangerous that whatever damage could've been done from a f***ing joke.
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Did you ever hear the one about the gay priest and the poor black woman who died of a drug overdose after having an abortion on 9/11?
One of my fav's, always has the family rolling at the Thanksgiving table.
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If could make a list of things that are sad and sensitive and that people should never make a joke about it please also include:
~Racism
~Poverty
~Gay people
~9/11
~Drugs
~Abortion
~Death
~Religion
~And basically every episode of South Park, every standup routine by George Carlin, Louis CK, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle...
Find me a successful* stand up comedian who has incorporated a joke of PTSD into their schtick. Good luck. Even comedians who take on all of the above categories you outline, have enough of filter and common sense to not make light of/joke about the reality of PTSD...and to take it a step further...to make a joke directly toward a military member (as was the case in this thread).
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People that want to draw lines, and boundaries, and decide what is sacred to make fun of and what is not are way more dangerous that whatever damage could've been done from a f***ing joke.
And people who fail to have a shred of common sense are way more dangerous than those who exercise some restraint/common sense.
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Find me a successful* stand up comedian who has incorporated a joke of PTSD into their schtick. Good luck. Even comedians who take on all of the above categories you outline, have enough of filter and common sense to not make light of/joke about the reality of PTSD...and to take it a step further...to make a joke directly toward a military member (as was the case in this thread).
Just so we are clear, PTSD is a no-no...but 9/11, racism, abortion, child molestation are fair game for SUCCESSFUL comedians. Honest question.
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Find me a successful* stand up comedian who has incorporated a joke of PTSD into their schtick. Good luck. Even comedians who take on all of the above categories you outline, have enough of filter and common sense to not make light of/joke about the reality of PTSD...and to take it a step further...to make a joke directly toward a military member (as was the case in this thread).
Okay.
http://www.youtube.com/v/hSp8IyaKCs0&fs=1&source=uds
Having found that, though, I am not disagreeing with you that the joke was in poor taste. But, let's be adults, grow up, and move on. You know, sort of like coming here and posting the about the RELATIVES of a former coach who left 6 years ago.
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And people who fail to have a shred of common sense are way more dangerous than those who exercise some restraint/common sense.
Describe the potential danger please. Feelings get hurt?
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Describe the potential danger please. Feelings get hurt?
Post Traumatic Posting Disorder.
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When you get your fat @ss off your government-funded education desk job and do something useful for the country, let us all know.
I'm always amazed at the hostility that can be expressed by some in the military against those they are sworn to protect.
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In before the lock
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I'm always amazed at the hostility that can be expressed by some in the military against those they are sworn to protect.
But not by the hostility that can be expressed by some of those being protected toward the military? Interesting.
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But not by the hostility that can be expressed by some of those being protected toward the moilitary? Interesting.
Oh great...now I was being "hostile."
So can I Godwin the thread by referring to myself as Hitler???
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Oh great...now I was being "hostile."
So can I Godwin the thread by referring to myself as Hitler???
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Oh great...now I was being "hostile."
So can I Godwin the thread by referring to myself as Hitler???
Did I even mention you? Murs, who I assume is much younger than me, evidently wasn't around in the late 60s/early to mid 70s when those sworn to protect us were routinely called the most vile of things - baby killers, pigs, etc. Those attitudes still exist today, though they're not as openly expressed because it's a loser politically.
Stop being so sensitive. You made an unfunny and in kind of bad taste remark. I don't think anyone is saying that makes you a bad person (most of us have inadvertantly done the same type of thing). Owning it and apologizing is more effective than getting so defensive.
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Did I even mention you? Murs, who I assume is much younger than me, evidently wasn't around in the late 60s/early to mid 70s when those sworn to protect us were routinely called the most vile of things - baby killers, pigs, etc. Those attitudes still exist today, though they're not as openly expressed because it's a loser politically.
Stop being so sensitive. You made an unfunny in kind of bad taste remark. I don't think anyone is saying that makes you a bad person (most of us have inadvertantly done the same type of thing). Owning it and apologizing is more effective than getting so defensive.
Personally, I think we should keep talking about it.
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Oh great...now I was being "hostile."
So can I Godwin the thread by referring to myself as Hitler???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
still my favorite thing to post in a forum... I don't get to do it often, but I'm glad you knew the name.
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One of my fav's, always has the family rolling at the Thanksgiving table.
I guess that's the difference between your family and mine. At our house, whenever it comes up at Thanksgiving, everyone groans, "Not this again, Grandma...."
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In before the lock
I was thinking the same.......
Must be stress from the Florida game, passing of Rick, conference merry go round, full moon, strife in the middle east, upcoming badger game, the realization that kenowsha warrior actually started a good thread, the retelling of the story about rick almost going to work at nosepicker U., the looming fiscal cliff, dryer is on the fritz and the in-laws are staying with us for the forseable future, blah blah blah.
In before the lock. ;D
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In before the lock
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Did I even mention you? Murs, who I assume is much younger than me, evidently wasn't around in the late 60s/early to mid 70s when those sworn to protect us were routinely called the most vile of things - baby killers, pigs, etc. Those attitudes still exist today, though they're not as openly expressed because it's a loser politically.
Stop being so sensitive. You made an unfunny and in kind of bad taste remark. I don't think anyone is saying that makes you a bad person (most of us have inadvertantly done the same type of thing). Owning it and apologizing is more effective than getting so defensive.
Actually I am completely unapologetic and am not defensive in the least. I find the **OUTRAGE** to be amusing.
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I was thinking the same.......
Must be stress from the Florida game, passing of Rick, conference merry go round, full moon, strife in the middle east, upcoming badger game, the realization that kenowsha warrior actually started a good thread, the retelling of the story about rick almost going to work at nosepicker U., the looming fiscal cliff, dryer is on the fritz and the in-laws are staying with us for the forseable future, blah blah blah.
In before the lock. ;D
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If could make a list of things that are sad and sensitive and that people should never make a joke about it please also include:
~Racism
~Poverty
~Gay people
~9/11
~Drugs
~Abortion
~Death
~Religion
~And basically every episode of South Park, every standup routine by George Carlin, Louis CK, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle...
I love the idea of the list. Let's make sure to caveat the exceptions to the rule, however.
For example, one's wife or spouse is typically a no-no and would be on the list. EXCEPTION: If it's a former coaches' wife then you are free (apparently) to bash away here (based on past history). ;)
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Did you ever hear the one about the gay priest and the poor black woman who died of a drug overdose after having an abortion on 9/11?
The talent agent looked down at their lifeless bodies and said, "I wonder what they called that act?" The world would never know it was The Aristocrats.
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Novel concept, but both the joke teller and the outraged responders are in the "wrong".
Was the joke in poor taste, I think so but nothing should be off limits, that's the whole point of free speech and why the military defends it.
Those who are outraged and have every right to say so, as they are expressing themselves, but that doesn't mean they should force an action(apology) from Sultin because of their outrage.
The fact that someone seemed to create a serious list of items that shouldn't be joked about is the most disturbing thing in this thread, in my opinion.....however feel free to do it, that's your right ;D
As far as PTSD itself, I'd be curious to see who on this thread has actually experienced PTSD themselves or a close friend/relative and who has only heard about it. I think it would put an interesting frame around everyone's reaction.
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Simple solution: Sultan just needs to say that HE has PTSD and then he would be "allowed" to make that joke without getting any pushback.
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Simple solution: Sultan just needs to say that HE has PTSD and then he would be "allowed" to make that joke without getting any pushback.
Why do people with PTSD get to say the "P" acronym, but if I say it I'm a bad guy?
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Simple solution: Sultan just needs to say that HE has PTSD and then he would be "allowed" to make that joke without getting any pushback.
Only after reading this thread.
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Sultan is the new Tim Whatley.
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Okay.
http://www.youtube.com/v/hSp8IyaKCs0&fs=1&source=uds
Having found that, though, I am not disagreeing with you that the joke was in poor taste. But, let's be adults, grow up, and move on. You know, sort of like coming here and posting the about the RELATIVES of a former coach who left 6 years ago.
Good find...and you'll notice that there is very little laughter at the premise of his joke, but huge applause at the end when Karlin uses the topic to speak to Vietnam Vets getting the attention/help they deserved..the audience recognizing the reality of Shell Shock, Operational Exhaustion, PTSD - whatever you want to call it - yet people/government/whomever turning their back to the reality.
Regardless, dumb that we are even debating the merits of PTSD jokes.
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Sultan is the new Tim Whatley.
"And this offends you as a Jewish person?"
"No, it offends me as a comedian."
http://www.youtube.com/v/mV7m6IIN_tI&fs=1&source=uds
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Describe the potential danger please. Feelings get hurt?
Yes - I'd say to make light of or ridicule a very real condition many soldiers deal with, for having protected/defended the rest of us - could result in hurt feelings among soldiers. Soldiers risk their lives for all of us - including dudes like you - who apparently feel no harm/no foul in making light/joke out of serious and tragic outcome for many who've been in combat.
But hey, those of us who defend, appreciate, and have gratitude for those who have served and put their life on the line for us - we are the real danger. Not dudes like you who apparently are ungrateful, or at minimum, lack the decency and respect to not ridicule PTSD.
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Actually I am completely unapologetic and am not defensive in the least. I find the **OUTRAGE** to be amusing.
Fair enough. I generally agree that no subject/topic is off limits for humor, and I've taken some grief here for saying so. Don't apologize, except for the fact that the joke kinda bombed.
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Try making fun of the prophet Muhammad. That always goes over well with a large segment of the world.
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And now for some jokes:
How do you turn a dishwasher into a snowblower?
Giver her a shovel.
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What do midget Mexicans use to cut their pizza?
Little Ceasers
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A daughter asked her mom how to spell the word penis?
Her mom said you should've asked me last night it was at the tip of my tongue.
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Yes - I'd say to make light of or ridicule a very real condition many soldiers deal with, for having protected/defended the rest of us - could result in hurt feelings among soldiers. Soldiers risk their lives for all of us - including dudes like you - who apparently feel no harm/no foul in making light/joke out of serious and tragic outcome for many who've been in combat.
But hey, those of us who defend, appreciate, and have gratitude for those who have served and put their life on the line for us - we are the real danger. Not dudes like you who apparently are ungrateful, or at minimum, lack the decency and respect to not ridicule PTSD.
So what you're saying is, no?
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Good find...and you'll notice that there is very little laughter at the premise of his joke, but huge applause at the end when Karlin uses the topic to speak to Vietnam Vets getting the attention/help they deserved..the audience recognizing the reality of Shell Shock, Operational Exhaustion, PTSD - whatever you want to call it - yet people/government/whomever turning their back to the reality.
Carlin was the ultimate thinking man's comic. He normally didn't have people burst out into laughter and knee slapping themselves, not his comic style. Sometimes it took people 10 seconds just to get what he was saying and when they did, it was funny but in a oh crap that is so true but I better not laugh at it because someone might think ill of me.
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So what you're saying is, no?
About all you can reply with, as there is no legitimate rebuttal to your dumb stance on the matter.
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Carlin was the ultimate thinking man's comic. He normally didn't have people burst out into laughter and knee slapping themselves, not his comic style. Sometimes it took people 10 seconds just to get what he was saying and when they did, it was funny but in a oh crap that is so true but I better not laugh at it because someone might think ill of me.
Welcome back Chicos..hopefully it will be a peaceful 2013...since your return - so far so good! Merry Christmas.
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About all you can reply with, as there is no legitimate rebuttal to your dumb stance on the matter.
No, I asked you what was dangerous about making the joke. Your responded with: PTSD is real and soldiers will get their feelings hurt, along with the same righteous indignation that started this dumb overreaction.
So no, you didn't answer MY question to you when you called the jokes dangerous. Having feelings hurt is not a "danger." Try again.
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Who the f!ck said anything about "danger"? The point is that it makes you look like a classless sh!thead. Maybe one of your family members will get violently raped, be unable to sleep for 30 years, and you can begin to view people with PTSD with a little more compassion. Till then, honestly, go f!ck yourself.
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Can we add the Amish to this list?
If could make a list of things that are sad and sensitive and that people should never make a joke about it please also include:
~Racism
~Poverty
~Gay people
~9/11
~Drugs
~Abortion
~Death
~Religion
~And basically every episode of South Park, every standup routine by George Carlin, Louis CK, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle...
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People that want to draw lines, and boundaries, and decide what is sacred to make fun of and what is not are way more dangerous that whatever damage could've been done from a f***ing joke.
You'll note I replied to your above post that those who lack common sense and are unable to exercise any restraint with regard to their joke making are far more dangerous than those who decide to draw a line/boundary on appropriate/inappropriate...with regard to joking around about PTSD.
Your position exhibits a lack of common sense, gratitude, appreciation - and there is far more danger in that, than those who draw a line and defend those who have put their life on the line and in harms way for the rest of us - from selfish, ungrateful, entitled, and likely spoiled brats like yourself. Any decent human being has gratitude for the service of our military and doesn't joke around about the 2nd tragedy of war after death - PTSD.
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Who the f!ck said anything about "danger"? The point is that it makes you look like a classless sh!thead. Maybe one of your family members will get violently raped, be unable to sleep for 30 years, and you can begin to view people with PTSD with a little more compassion. Till then, honestly, go f!ck yourself.
Ners did. Trying reading next time before you foam at the mouth.
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You'll note I replied to your above post that those who lack common sense and are unable to exercise any restraint with regard to their joke making are far more dangerous than those who decide to draw a line/boundary on appropriate/inappropriate...with regard to joking around about PTSD.
Your position exhibits a lack of common sense, gratitude, appreciation - and there is far more danger in that, than those who draw a line and defend those who have put their life on the line and in harms way for the rest of us - from selfish, ungrateful, entitled, and likely spoiled brats like yourself. Any decent human being has gratitude for the service of our military and doesn't joke around about the 2nd tragedy of war after death - PTSD.
How so? Seriously, you just say its dangerous and never describe how or why or give any logical explanation to make that accusation even remotely true.
In actuality, you are the one trying to censor and block people because you don't like what they said one time. Deciding what is okay to say and what is not. Taking a perceived ability to judge so righteously and exploiting it for your own subjective suspicions and conclusions.
My position, cause you obviously never actually burned a brain cell deciphering it, is defending those whom you wish to censor and exert your perceived power over. Not that complicated.
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Can we add the Amish to this list?
Old Order Amish yes, but New Order definitely not.
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Welcome back Chicos..hopefully it will be a peaceful 2013...since your return - so far so good! Merry Christmas.
And to you my good man, Merry Christmas!
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Old Order Amish yes, but New Order definitely not.
How about the Nappanee Amish?
Sultan, do you have any Nappanee Amish in you? ;)
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When you get your fat @ss off your government-funded education desk job and do something useful for the country, let us all know.
Who the f!ck said anything about "danger"? The point is that it makes you look like a classless sh!thead. Maybe one of your family members will get violently raped, be unable to sleep for 30 years, and you can begin to view people with PTSD with a little more compassion. Till then, honestly, go f!ck yourself.
Congratulations on showing the most consistency of any poster in this thread. Two posts, both containing aggressive verbal attacks. IMHO, you've lost the moral high ground.
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How so? Seriously, you just say its dangerous and never describe how or why or give any logical explanation to make that accusation even remotely true.
In actuality, you are the one trying to censor and block people because you don't like what they said one time. Deciding what is okay to say and what is not. Taking a perceived ability to judge so righteously and exploiting it for your own subjective suspicions and conclusions.
My position, cause you obviously never actually burned a brain cell deciphering it, is defending those whom you wish to censor and exert your perceived power over. Not that complicated.
It's dangerous because there are plenty of ungrateful, pricks, that feel they are entitled to all things, and show little gratitude or respect for anyone/anything. The poster the PTSD "joke" was made toward (Warthog Driver/Unforgiven) has been in combat and dealt with situations you nor I will ever have to deal with. The months on end you have someone firing missles/guns at you with the specific intent to kill you, and the months on end you live in a city of minefields, or people dressing up as your own strapped with explosives in an attempt to kill you - will be the month you can make jokes toward other military members about PTSD.
Sorry, I just find it dangerous, when civilians make light of, or make jokes, toward the men of the military who protect them/this country. If you can't appreciate/not make jokes at those who fight for our freedoms/safety - and in your argument..free speech - I don't know what else to tell you.
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It's dangerous because there are plenty of ungrateful, pricks, that feel they are entitled to all things, and show little gratitude or respect for anyone/anything. The poster the PTSD "joke" was made toward (Warthog Driver/Unforgiven) has been in combat and dealt with situations you nor I will ever have to deal with. The months on end you have someone firing missles/guns at you with the specific intent to kill you, and the months on end you live in a city of minefields, or people dressing up as your own strapped with explosives in an attempt to kill you - will be the month you can make jokes toward other military members about PTSD.
Sorry, I just find it dangerous, when civilians make light of, or make jokes, toward the men of the military who protect them/this country. If you can't appreciate/not make jokes at those who fight for our freedoms/safety - and in your argument..free speech - I don't know what else to tell you.
I find it offensive to make fun of homosexuals, but you manage to do that here every once in a while. I get your outrage about this, but if you are going to take up the cause, you have to be respectful of what offends everyone... not just you. And that my friend, is the slippery slope that comes from PC stances.
FWIW, I don't like the PTSD jokes either (family members have it), but I can get past them as jokes, and that I'm probably not going to be able to control other people. ;)
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It's dangerous because there are plenty of ungrateful, pricks, that feel they are entitled to all things, and show little gratitude or respect for anyone/anything. The poster the PTSD "joke" was made toward (Warthog Driver/Unforgiven) has been in combat and dealt with situations you nor I will ever have to deal with. The months on end you have someone firing missles/guns at you with the specific intent to kill you, and the months on end you live in a city of minefields, or people dressing up as your own strapped with explosives in an attempt to kill you - will be the month you can make jokes toward other military members about PTSD.
Sorry, I just find it dangerous, when civilians make light of, or make jokes, toward the men of the military who protect them/this country. If you can't appreciate/not make jokes at those who fight for our freedoms/safety - and in your argument..free speech - I don't know what else to tell you.
Have you spent any time around the men AND women who serve in combat? If you really think that a casual PTSD joke on a message board is going to shake them to their core, you don't understand them. I will not speak for a whole segment of people(combat veterans), but based on my experiences and veterans I know very well it's not nearly the big deal you want to make it out to be. Believe me, I've heard veterans say much worse things without blinking an eye.
The joke was in poor taste, but at the end of the day it spurred a good conversation and hopefully has made some on this board more aware of PTSD. And the whole point of free speech is nothing is off limits. Hell, the military accepts all sorts of limitations on their rights to defend ours, making that much more admirable, but it also means they aren't going to collapse at this kind of joke. I get the whole there was a time when America treated it's veterans like crap and it is shameful and deplorable, but that time has passed and this was in no way a dig at the military. You are entitled to your opinion, but I think to paint Sultan as some sort of Jane Fonda recreation is too far.
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Point of clarification, PTSD is a BIG deal, a joke about it is not.
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I find it hilarious that Ners and Lenny jumped up on a really high horse in this thread when the only person suitable for that horse is warthog.
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Who the f!ck said anything about "danger"? The point is that it makes you look like a classless sh!thead. Maybe one of your family members will get violently raped, be unable to sleep for 30 years, and you can begin to view people with PTSD with a little more compassion. Till then, honestly, go f!ck yourself.
Who says I don't have compassion for people with PTSD? That's quite a leap in logic.
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I find it hilarious that Ners and Lenny jumped up on a really high horse in this thread when the only person suitable for that horse is warthog.
Yes, but I like the Warthog character much better than the bitter, hateful Unforgiven character. People who serve our country should earn our respect and gratitude. It does not give them the right to be hateful, white supremisct jags. I respect people who serve in the military, but they shouldn’t throw it in our face every chance they get. Now when is this thread getting locked.
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I find it hilarious that Ners and Lenny jumped up on a really high horse in this thread when the only person suitable for that horse is warthog.
So just to be clear - since I haven't served in the military (and I assume Lenny either), we aren't worthy to support/defend those who have? So what do you say for all of the people who post here that haven't played for Marquette's Men's Basketball team - are they not able to support/rally/defend/make comments on the Marquette Basketball Team?
If supporting our military members, and not making light of post combat issues like PTSD is jumping on a high horse - I'll jump on that high horse everyday - whether I'm qualified or not in your view PTM.
Lastly, I find it hilarious that you add yet another post of no value or significance. Why don't you make a comment about the discussion, versus on those having the debate on the topic/discussion.
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So just to be clear - since I haven't served in the military (and I assume Lenny either), we aren't worthy to support/defend those who have? So what do you say for all of the people who post here that haven't played for Marquette's Men's Basketball team - are they not able to support/rally/defend/make comments on the Marquette Basketball Team?
If supporting our military members, and not making light of post combat issues like PTSD is jumping on a high horse - I'll jump on that high horse everyday - whether I'm qualified or not in your view PTM.
Lastly, I find it hilarious that you add yet another post of no value or significance. Why don't you make a comment about the discussion, versus on those having the debate on the topic/discussion.
I see you had no problem knocking that straw man down. Though he didn't put up much of a fight.
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It was a silly quip.
Far more offensive things have been said and thought on this board.
Move on, gentlemen. Move on.
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Have you spent any time around the men AND women who serve in combat? If you really think that a casual PTSD joke on a message board is going to shake them to their core, you don't understand them. I will not speak for a whole segment of people(combat veterans), but based on my experiences and veterans I know very well it's not nearly the big deal you want to make it out to be. Believe me, I've heard veterans say much worse things without blinking an eye.
The joke was in poor taste, but at the end of the day it spurred a good conversation and hopefully has made some on this board more aware of PTSD. And the whole point of free speech is nothing is off limits. Hell, the military accepts all sorts of limitations on their rights to defend ours, making that much more admirable, but it also means they aren't going to collapse at this kind of joke. I get the whole there was a time when America treated it's veterans like crap and it is shameful and deplorable, but that time has passed and this was in no way a dig at the military. You are entitled to your opinion, but I think to paint Sultan as some sort of Jane Fonda recreation is too far.
All in all I agre with what you've written here. I'm not trying to paint Sultan as a Jane Fonda...my bigger debate has been with Augunhare...I've spent some time around veterans, yes, several whom have served in Iraq and Afghanistan - I don't believe they would be shaken to the core by a civilian making a PTSD joke - no. Possibly offended? Yes.
I agree that freedom of speech is an important value, and am not a fan of censorship at all - yet there are always a few exceptions to the rule - and in this case, to make jokes about PTSD directly to those who have served our country to protect our freedoms (and freedom of speech), seems pretty ironic/disingenuous. All this said, do I feel there was malicious intent on Sultan's part? No. And that is definitely another measuring stick in the debate - intent. As most have come to the conclusion - it was a joke in poor taste. Won't be the first one, won't be the last one.
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It was a silly quip.
Far more offensive things have been said and thought on this board.
Move on, gentlemen. Move on.
Yeah no kidding. This is the Scoopiest Scoop thread ever.
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4 pages on Crean's brother-in-laws.........'Nuff said.
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To be fair it was 12 posts on Crean's brother-in-law, 4 pages of is it a joke, not a joke, what's allowed to be joked about on the interwebs, who loves the military more, and a solid couple posts that once again validated Gordon's Law. All in all, I think we captured every MUScoop meme in the book all in less than 5 pages. Some of our finest work to date.
Suck it Mbakwe and Buzz to SMU threads
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Far more offensive things have been said and thought on this board.
Oh, my. Did the "thought police" just arrive?
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Oh, my. Did the "thought police" just arrive?
A throwaway quip about PTSD is hardly the worst thing anybody has ever said, is it?
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A throwaway quip about PTSD is hardly the worst thing anybody has ever said, is it?
Absolutely not. I just thought it funny that in a thread about what it is/isn't appropriate to say you mentioned inappropriate things that Scoopers have "thought". Hence the "thought police" joke, which becomes REALLY unfunny when it has to be explained. Apologies to anyone and everyone.
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Why the f*ck can't we all just f*ckin' get along?
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Why the f*ck can't we all just f*ckin' get along?
Couldn't have said it better.
Time for the lock.
3-2-1
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Why the f*ck can't we all just f*ckin' get along?
I blame Tom Crean. (and that almost gets us back to Harbough!)
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Don't forget global warming. It's the root of all evil.
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Absolutely not. I just thought it funny that in a thread about what it is/isn't appropriate to say you mentioned inappropriate things that Scoopers have "thought". Hence the "thought police" joke, which becomes REALLY unfunny when it has to be explained. Apologies to anyone and everyone.
Ah ha.
My bad... I guess I was being a little sensitive.
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Old Order Amish yes, but New Order definitely not.
Wait! We can't joke about the Irish either? Not even the Fighting Irish?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you said Amish, not Irish.
Nevermind.
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So just to be clear - since I haven't served in the military (and I assume Lenny either), we aren't worthy to support/defend those who have? So what do you say for all of the people who post here that haven't played for Marquette's Men's Basketball team - are they not able to support/rally/defend/make comments on the Marquette Basketball Team?
If supporting our military members, and not making light of post combat issues like PTSD is jumping on a high horse - I'll jump on that high horse everyday - whether I'm qualified or not in your view PTM.
Lastly, I find it hilarious that you add yet another post of no value or significance. Why don't you make a comment about the discussion, versus on those having the debate on the topic/discussion.
Here's a comment, you're an idiot. Always have been, always will be. That is why I I avoid your stupid crapfests.
You're not qualified to comment on much of anything unless is a discussion of people who routinely make this board miserable to follow.
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With that post....
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