I love Marquette University and its basketball team, which is why I hate watching MU and MU basketball be embarrassed once again on national television.
Florida is a fine university with a fine basketball team. To the average viewer from Anywhere, USA, Marquette looked tonight like a horrible basketball team from some school in the Midwest.
I struggle to recall a Marquette team that has looked so bad and given every indication that it does not belong on the same court as its opponent.
The ridiculously bad loss to Florida reaffirmed longstanding concerns that some of us have had about certain players; most notably, Junior Cadougan. He has never struck me as anything more than a so-so player whose abilities have long been overstated. I know he tries his best, but that "best" is not much. It is very hard to have confidence in Cadougan's basketball skills.
I could prattle on about, say, Marquette's big men and their inabilities to compete against real competition, but the overriding point is this: MU's basketball team this season is not nearly as good or as strong as some, for reasons that have always been unclear, have predicted.
Like many others, I have seen Marquette lose badly, including too often on national TV, but I cannot remember an MU team looking this inadequate.
Womp Womp Womppppp!
Get over it dude. Grow up. People know who Marquette is.
Quote from: MU Avenue on November 29, 2012, 10:21:53 PM
Like many others, I have seen Marquette lose badly, including too often on national TV, but I cannot remember an MU team looking this inadequate.
Think harder.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 29, 2012, 10:24:19 PM
Think harder.
I'm just thankful that this still isn't the end of the Deane era. He left very little for Crean when he came in. Wardle and Cordell were about it, really. This team would smoke that '99-00 team by 40. Unless they played down to their competition... ::)
I was waiting for this thread, just need a NIT one and I'll go to bed.
Quote from: PTM on November 29, 2012, 10:28:34 PM
I was waiting for this thread, just need a NIT one and I'll go to bed.
I dare you to start one.
Avenue, you lay in the weeds and write this exact thread after every bad game. Then we have 50 posts telling you we have about 25 national games a year and win most of them.
Already this year we had the following nationally televised games.
Colgate (w)
Butler (l)
Miss state (w)
USC (w)
Florida (l)
So we are 3and 2 on national tv just this month.
So stop embarrassing yourself, and realize most of our games are nationally televised.
It is no longer 1985 and this was not the CBS game of the week. Please join the 21 st century.
Quote from: PTM on November 29, 2012, 10:31:27 PM
Then I'll have to go to bed?
Or something like that.
Edit: Can we turn this into a drinking game? I LOVE drinking games...!
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 29, 2012, 10:32:42 PM
Avenue, you lay in the weeds and write this exact thread after every bad game. Then we have 50 posts telling you we have about 25 national games a year and win most of them.
Already this year we had the following nationally televised games.
Colgate (w)
Butler (l)
Miss state (w)
USC (w)
Florida (l)
So we are 3and 2 on national tv just this month.
So stop embarrassing yourself, and realize most of our games are nationally televised.
It is no longer 1985 and this was not the CBS game of the week. Please join the 21 st century.
Thank you.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 29, 2012, 10:32:42 PM
Avenue, you lay in the weeds and write this exact thread after every bad game. Then we have 50 posts telling you we have about 25 national games a year and win most of them.
Already this year we had the following nationally televised games.
Colgate (w)
Butler (l)
Miss state (w)
USC (w)
Florida (l)
So we are 3and 2 on national tv just this month.
So stop embarrassing yourself, and realize most of our games are nationally televised.
It is no longer 1985 and this was not the CBS game of the week. Please join the 21 st century.
Extremely well done.
I really don't understand the Cadougan hate...
Last year he had 183 assists, good for 9th most in a season in MU history. That sounds like a point guard I want on my team.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/single_season_assists
You disagree that Marquette was woefully embarrassed tonight on national TV? Really?
Glad you enjoyed the game and are brimming with pride.
Let me guess: You had expected MU to lose by "only" 33 points? You knew it would be a nail-biter that was over at halftime?
Stop berating me and others who are simply being honest. Instead, PTM and AnotherMU84, tell everyone here why you are so bothered by people who state publicly that they hate seeing Marquette lose, especially badly ... on national television.
Timing is almost everything, fellas, and this is not a good time for Marquette to be looking so bad.
Quote from: MU Avenue on November 29, 2012, 10:41:18 PM
You disagree that Marquette was woefully embarrassed tonight on national TV? Really?
Glad you enjoyed the game and are brimming with pride.
Let me guess: You had expected MU to lose by "only" 33 points? You knew it would be a nail-biter that was over at halftime?
Stop berating me and others who are simply being honest. Instead, PTM and AnotherMU84, tell everyone here why you are so bothered by people who state publicly that they hate seeing Marquette lose, especially badly ... on national television.
Timing is almost everything, fellas, and this is not a good time for Marquette to be looking so bad.
November is probably the best time to look bad.
Quote from: MU Avenue on November 29, 2012, 10:41:18 PM
You disagree that Marquette was woefully embarrassed tonight on national TV? Really?
Glad you enjoyed the game and are brimming with pride.
Let me guess: You had expected MU to lose by "only" 33 points? You knew it would be a nail-biter that was over at halftime?
Stop berating me and others who are simply being honest. Instead, PTM and AnotherMU84, tell everyone here why you are so bothered by people who state publicly that they hate seeing Marquette lose, especially badly ... on national television.
Timing is almost everything, fellas, and this is not a good time for Marquette to be looking so bad.
I'd rather look bad now...
than any other time in the season... It's November.
Wait till March dude.
Quote from: PTM on November 29, 2012, 10:43:08 PM
November is probably the best time to look bad.
+1. Unless you're the first one in Cobeen to put on the Frosh 50 in November. Then... not so much.
Quote from: MU Avenue on November 29, 2012, 10:41:18 PM
You disagree that Marquette was woefully embarrassed tonight on national TV? Really?
Glad you enjoyed the game and are brimming with pride.
Let me guess: You had expected MU to lose by "only" 33 points? You knew it would be a nail-biter that was over at halftime?
Stop berating me and others who are simply being honest. Instead, PTM and AnotherMU84, tell everyone here why you are so bothered by people who state publicly that they hate seeing Marquette lose, especially badly ... on national television.
Timing is almost everything, fellas, and this is not a good time for Marquette to be looking so bad.
And what makes it worse was the game was televised in Living Color!
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on November 29, 2012, 10:44:44 PM
+1. Unless you're the first one in Cobeen to put on the Frosh 50 in November. Then... not so much.
There's always Spring Break baby...
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 29, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
And what makes it worse was the game was televised in Living Color!
And Homey The Clown was in attendance...
http://www.youtube.com/v/2g1e8dZM3MY
Quote from: MU Avenue on November 29, 2012, 10:21:53 PM
Florida is a fine university with a fine basketball team. To the average viewer from Anywhere, USA, Marquette looked tonight like a horrible basketball team from some school in the Midwest.
Clearly you haven't learned any lessons from conference realignment, in that the average college basketball viewer from Anywhere, USA doesn't exist in any meaningful quantity. I hope that saves you from further deep personal embarrassment when...gasp...MU loses another of its 20-odd nationally-televised games.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 29, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
And what makes it worse was the game was televised in Living Color!
I miss the NBC peacock. Very colorful. It would look great now in HD!
With no go-to scorer, this team is going to struggle offensively.
But we ALL knew that considering we lost almost 50% of our offense in two people.
And we ALL knew Florida was one well-oiled machine this early in the year...and compared to MU, they were solid as a team.
Anyone know what UNC Avenue said about the Tar Heels going down 29 to Butler and getting blown out by more than 20 to IU In the same week!
Is he also lamenting that UNC always gets embarrassed on national TV?
Quote from: Cooby Snacks on November 29, 2012, 10:50:14 PM
Clearly you haven't learned any lessons from conference realignment, in that the average college basketball viewer from Anywhere, USA doesn't exist in any meaningful quantity. I hope that saves you from further deep personal embarrassment when...gasp...MU loses another of its 20-odd nationally-televised games.
Cooby Snacks, I cannot pretend to understand your post.
Also, I hardly think Marquette has "20-odd" games this season that are nationally televised -- if you define "nationally televised" as being shown on channels that almost everyone sees at his or her home.
If I am understanding your post, I am pleased for you that a 33-point loss on true national TV is no big deal.
But, again, this is hardly a good time for Marquette to be getting its ass kicked, especially for all to see.
Quote from: MU Avenue on November 29, 2012, 10:59:34 PM
Cooby Snacks, I cannot pretend to understand your post.
Also, I hardly think Marquette has "20-odd" games this season that are nationally televised -- if you define "nationally televised" as being shown on channels that almost everyone sees at his or her home.
If I am understanding your post, I am pleased for you that a 33-point loss on true national TV is no big deal.
But, again, this is hardly a good time for Marquette to be getting its ass kicked, especially for all to see.
MU Avenue, look it up
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/2012#schedule
I count exactly 20 national games. And the tOSU game was cancelled so that would have been 21.
That does not count the BE tourney and the NCAA or NIT tourney (all games in both are national games).
So "20-odd" seems to be 100% correct.
Avenue, BRINGING THE EYORE. Too bad this didn't count for more than one loss. ON NATIONAL TELEVISION, NO LESS THINK OF THE CHILDREN YADA YADA YADA (As if that isn't one of the most god awful, tired, played out tropes on this board.)
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/eeyore61_5881.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/v/tKdcjJoXeEY&fs=1&source=uds
Say, where is that tremendously crafted "season checklist" again? Feel free to check the "bad non-conference loss that has everyone questioning our BE readiness" or something of the sort.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 29, 2012, 10:56:48 PM
Anyone know what UNC Avenue said about the Tar Heels going down 29 to Butler and getting blown out by more than 20 to IU In the same week!
Is he also lamenting that UNC always gets embarrassed on national TV?
It wasn't half as bad as what UCONN Avenue said about the 2010-2011 Huskies. Losing by 15 to Pitt? Going 9-9 in the BEAST?!?!? Why bother even showing up for the NCAA tournament?
I don't think I'll be able to get out of bed tomorrow knowing 150 million households tuned in to watch our game on ESPN2.
If anyone I know actually did watch I'll tell them we laid a deuce on the Deuce. Since our next game will be our 6th nationally televised game we can hope it goes a little better.
PTM, AnotherMU84, Cooby Snacks, lab_warrior and others are apparently fine with Marquette's having lost -- badly -- to Florida on, yes, national television.
That is fine. In fact, who cares?
I am among the faction that could barely watch the second half and is deeply concerned about what I saw tonight and what it could indicate for the remainder of this season and beyond.
Marquette looked as bad as any MU team I have seen in years.
And once again, this is an extremely important time for Marquette University and its basketball team. This is not a good time for MU to be annihilated in an important game that is watched by a nation.
Also, lab_warrior, you might want to consult your dictionary concerning the definition of "trope."
MU Avenue
As I noted above we have 20 nationally televised games this year (would have been 21 if the carrier classic was not cancelled). Again that does not count the BE tourney and/or the NCAA and NIT.
We only play 11 games that are not nationally televised.
Six BE games (Depaul, Seton Hall (2), Rutgers, G-Town (Jan 5) and Prov)
5 non-conference games (Southeast Louisiana, UMBS, Savannah Sate, Green Bay and North Carolina Central)
Which of these non-nationally televised games would be ok to lose?
Losing any of these games by even one point (except G-town) would be a bigger embarrassment than what happened tonight.
Quote from: spartan3186 on November 29, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
I really don't understand the Cadougan hate...
Last year he had 183 assists, good for 9th most in a season in MU history. That sounds like a point guard I want on my team.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/single_season_assists
He disappears in prime time..
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 29, 2012, 11:17:38 PM
MU Avenue
As I noted above we have 20 nationally televised games this year (would have been 21 if the carrier classic was not cancelled). Again that does not count the BE tourney and/or the NCAA and NIT.
We only play 11 games that are not nationally televised.
Six BE games (Depaul, Seton Hall (2), Rutgers, G-Town (Jan 5) and Prov)
5 non-conference games (Southeast Louisiana, UMBS, Savannah Sate, Green Bay and North Carolina Central)
Which of these non-nationally televised games would be ok to lose?
Losing any of these games by even one point (except G-town) would be a bigger embarrassment than what happened tonight.
If we want to continue to be thought of as an aspiring elite team and have 20 nationally televised games then we better not lose any of the 6 you mentioned and we better not get creamed by Florida. It's ok to lose to a nationally ranked team in which we are competitive on their floor. A 30+ point cupcake-like, buy-game type, embarrassment on national TV is not ok.
Quote from: MU Avenue on November 29, 2012, 11:17:26 PM
That is fine. In fact, who cares?
I am among the faction that could barely watch the second half and is deeply concerned about what I saw tonight and what it could indicate for the remainder of this season and beyond.
Marquette looked as bad as any MU team I have seen in years.
And once again, this is an extremely important time for Marquette University and its basketball team. This is not a good time for MU to be annihilated in an important game that is watched by a nation.
Also, lab_warrior, you might want to consult your dictionary concerning the definition of "trope."
Get a grip.
It's one basketball game, not as bad as say making fun of Mike Hunts name or having Ann Romney speak at MU.
Grip this.
Quote from: Mutaman on November 30, 2012, 05:16:33 AM
He disappears in prime time..
Because good teams key in on him as the key to our offense.
Quote from: hairyworthen on November 30, 2012, 07:30:02 AM
grip what be more specific
Sorry Miss. Someone else will have to break your heart.
Quote from: ATWizJr on November 30, 2012, 07:32:27 AM
Sorry Miss. Someone else will have to break your heart.
Oooh... that's a good one. What are you in 6th grade. I guess you have nothing to grip, and you are calling me "Miss"
Elite teams have bad nights and even bad seasons. Kentucky has 2 losses already, NC just had their ass handed to them by Indiana. If you can't see that MU is trending upward then you are not very perceptive. It's a bad loss, still only one game, no reason to go ape crap. Buzz will get some things fixed, players will improve and they will get better.
Just to be clear:
Scoopers are now debating the appropriate amount of RAGE they should be experiencing?
The correct answer is none. Get over it. Move on.
These are college kids. They are going to have the occasional clunker. So what. Big deal.
Quote from: spartan3186 on November 29, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
I really don't understand the Cadougan hate...
Last year he had 183 assists, good for 9th most in a season in MU history. That sounds like a point guard I want on my team.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/single_season_assists
I don't "hate" the guy, but a good point guard cannot pick up two stupid fouls early in a game. (One was over the back...the other was when he tried to pick up a charge.) Derrick Wilson played adequately in that he didn't turn the ball over much, seemed pretty unflappable against the press, and showed *something* on the offensive end. Junior was just bad.
He won't always be bad however...but last night he was.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 30, 2012, 07:59:55 AM
I don't "hate" the guy, but a good point guard cannot pick up two stupid fouls early in a game. (One was over the back...the other was when he tried to pick up a charge.) Derrick Wilson played adequately in that he didn't turn the ball over much, seemed pretty unflappable against the press, and showed *something* on the offensive end. Junior was just bad.
He won't always be bad however...but last night he was.
I have been a JC supporter, but his play has not been good for the most part this year. The foul problem is a concern, also too many turnovers for a senior point guard. It seems like he is forcing the issue too much, trying to be the senior leader. I am sure he will get it together, the team needs him to.
UNC got embarrassed on 'national tv' twice in 2 weeks. Somehow they soldier on. Some days you are the dog, some days you are the hydrant. Last night MU was the hydrant. Learn what you can, use it as motivation, move on.
JC had some terrible turnovers last night... not even getting the offense started in some cases..
Quote from: hairyworthen on November 30, 2012, 08:11:49 AM
I have been a JC supporter, but his play has not been good for the most part this year. The foul problem is a concern, also too many turnovers for a senior point guard. It seems like he is forcing the issue too much, trying to be the senior leader. I am sure he will get it together, the team needs him to.
Quote from: hairyworthen on November 30, 2012, 07:54:05 AM
Oooh... that's a good one. What are you in 6th grade. I guess you have nothing to grip, and you are calling me "Miss"
Elite teams have bad nights and even bad seasons. Kentucky has 2 losses already, NC just had their ass handed to them by Indiana. If you can't see that MU is trending upward then you are not very perceptive. It's a bad loss, still only one game, no reason to go ape crap. Buzz will get some things fixed, players will improve and they will get better.
Punctuation, Miss. With 50+ years of MU Fandom, I've seen plenty of trending. Still don't like the abyss we fell into at Florida.
Quote from: ATWizJr on November 30, 2012, 08:24:17 AM
Punctuation, Miss. With 50+ years of MU Fandom, I've seen plenty of trending. Still don't like the abyss we fell into at Florida.
agree, I just don't think they are as bad as they looked last night. You are not seeing the forest for the trees.
MU Avenue's National Televised OutrageQuote from: MU Avenue on January 17, 2008, 09:00:17 PM
Barro was only one of Marquette's players who wet himself tonight on a national stage.
After Ousmane struggled against David Padgett of Louisville, second team All-Big East.Quote from: MU Avenue on December 12, 2009, 06:35:48 PM
I have not done the research, but it seems Marquette more often than not loses when playing in nationally televised basketball games.
After losing at Madison. Quote from: MU Avenue on December 30, 2011, 06:11:08 AM
The loss to Vanderbilt on December 29, 2011, was embarrassing and humiliating. One of the worse showings Marquette has had in decades, and another awful performance on national television.
No one today is discussing how the outrageously bad home loss to Vanderbilt on December 29, 2011, compares to Marquette's loss to Team X a year ago, Team Y three years ago or Team Z back in 2003.
And to some here, especially AnotherMU84: Your desire to debate which loss might have been "bigger" or "worse" or more relevant is silly and, in AnotherMU84's case, difficult to understand.
The only loss that matters to and for Marquette right now is the 74-57 pounding that MU took at home December 29, 2011. A thrashing and a whipping by Vanderbilt that was shown on national television.
It is the kind of loss that has people asking questions and expressing a lot of doubt.
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread Quote from: MU Avenue on December 29, 2011, 10:27:55 PM
Marquette's loss to Vanderbilt was bad basketball at its best. I am not sure how MU could have played worse.
Further, why does MU often seem to save its worst performances for national television? That was one horrible, embarrassing display that will have many people doubting Marquette basketball.
MU's players individually and collectively stunk almost every minute of that game.
An off night? That explanation is almost impossible to accept.
This was not even another in Marquette's long history of slow starts. Against Vanderbilt, Marquette never got going. Never!
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread Quote from: MU Avenue on February 04, 2012, 02:52:48 PM
It is really hard -- gutwrenching -- to again watch MU be beaten badly on national television.
We seem to play our worst when the most people are watching.
And no one should be fooled: MU was spanked today by what is a so-so Notre Dame team.
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread Quote from: MU Avenue on February 29, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
Marquette looks woeful tonight -- on national TV -- against Cincinnati. You disagree?
Marquette ended up winning this game by 15, MU Avenue wrong again!Quote from: MU Avenue on March 10, 2012, 03:16:35 PM
I have said and written that Marquette too often plays badly and loses by wide margins on national TV.
DERP, DERP, DERP, DERP.MU Avenue is a sad broken record. All of his posts fit into the following categories:
1.) Dominic James isn't good.
2.) Ousmane isn't good.
3) Marquette never plays well on 'National Television'.
4.) Marquette always starts slow.
5.) Milwaukee Journal Sentinel grandstanding.
If not sure if you are right or not PTM, but the effort get's you a gold star in my book.
So, PTM, you went to bed early so you could get up and do that research well rested, right?
Bravo.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 30, 2012, 08:43:23 AM
If not sure if you are right or not PTM, but the effort get's you a gold star in my book.
Pretty sure it's correct, 90% at worst. I went on a Russell Crowe, "A Beautiful Mind" trance there for a bit and I don't remember much.
I don't get the "again" part. MU is 3-2-1 On national tv this season.
I'm sure this game didn't get a high TV rating with a NFL game on and L'ville & Rutgers on ESPN.
Quote from: PTM on November 30, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
MU Avenue's National Televised Outrage
Holy crap, you just became my favorite poster.
Quote from: front row on November 30, 2012, 08:50:34 AM
I don't get the "again" part. MU is 3-2-1 On national tv this season.
I'm sure this game didn't get a high TV rating with a NFL game on and L'ville & Rutgers on ESPN.
\
Right, Who gives a rats ass anyway besides some mu fans and a few lunatics on scoop. I am sure the nation isn't waking up this morning obsessed with how bad MU basketball is.
Quote from: PTM on November 30, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
MU Avenue's National Televised Outrage
And the exuberance that is posted by the Ave after big MU wins:
(http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/2012-10/C_Road_Closed.jpeg)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 30, 2012, 08:43:23 AM
If not sure if you are right or not PTM, but the effort get's you a gold star in my book.
No more PTM, change name to CSI.. The forensic examiner of threads. Nice......
Quote from: PTM on November 30, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
MU Avenue's National Televised Outrage
After Ousmane struggled against David Padgett of Louisville, second team All-Big East.
After losing at Madison.
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread
Marquette ended up winning this game by 15, MU Avenue wrong again!
DERP, DERP, DERP, DERP.
MU Avenue is a sad broken record. All of his posts fit into the following categories:
1.) Dominic James isn't good.
2.) Ousmane isn't good.
3) Marquette never plays well on 'National Television'.
4.) Marquette always starts slow.
5.) Milwaukee Journal Sentinel grandstanding.
Outstanding work.
Quote from: PTM on November 30, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
MU Avenue's National Televised Outrage
After Ousmane struggled against David Padgett of Louisville, second team All-Big East.
MU Avenue is a sad broken record. All of his posts fit into the following categories:
1.) Dominic James isn't good.
2.) Ousmane isn't good.
3) Marquette never plays well on 'National Television'.
4.) Marquette always starts slow.
5.) Milwaukee Journal Sentinel grandstanding.
Way too much fu**ng time on your hands. Holy crap - going back 3 years on posts???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 30, 2012, 07:59:55 AM
I don't "hate" the guy, but a good point guard cannot pick up two stupid fouls early in a game. (One was over the back...the other was when he tried to pick up a charge.) Derrick Wilson played adequately in that he didn't turn the ball over much, seemed pretty unflappable against the press, and showed *something* on the offensive end. Junior was just bad.
He won't always be bad however...but last night he was.
I actually don't disagree with this, I was referring more to MU Avenues "He has never struck me as anything more than a so-so player whose abilities have long been overstated. I know he tries his best, but that "best" is not much. It is very hard to have confidence in Cadougan's basketball skills."
That is a gross overreaction.
Quote from: only a warrior on November 30, 2012, 09:24:33 AM
Way too much time on your hands. Holy crap - going back 3 years on posts???
Sometimes being awesome takes time.
Quote from: spartan3186 on November 30, 2012, 09:45:51 AM
I actually don't disagree with this, I was referring more to MU Avenues "He has never struck me as anything more than a so-so player whose abilities have long been overstated. I know he tries his best, but that "best" is not much. It is very hard to have confidence in Cadougan's basketball skills."
That is a gross overreaction.
I think the crticisms stem from comparisions to a long line of notable PGs at Marquette (Tony Miller, Cordell Henry, Travis Diener, Dominic James, Maurice Acker). Maybe we're just spoiled because we've had so many good PGs over the years.
Quote from: The Equalizer on November 30, 2012, 10:43:47 AM
I think the crticisms stem from comparisions to a long line of notable PGs at Marquette (Tony Miller, Cordell Henry, Travis Diener, Dominic James, Maurice Acker). Maybe we're just spoiled because we've had so many good PGs over the years.
Although each was different, MU has been fortunate to have a great run at PG. IMO, of that group, Junior is the weakest.
Quote from: PTM on November 30, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
MU Avenue is a sad broken record. All of his posts fit into the following categories:
1.) Dominic James isn't good.
2.) Ousmane isn't good.
3) Marquette never plays well on 'National Television'.
4.) Marquette always starts slow.
5.) Milwaukee Journal Sentinel grandstanding.
Thank you PTM for this work. I've been sick of his broken record about National TV games.
In you list above, you forgot that he is the one that repeatedly starts the thread that MU needs a football team. In these threads Avenue also repeatedly states that the administration in 1960 made a terrible call by dropping a sport that threatened to bankrupt the athletic department. I guess Avenue thinks the administration should have known how popular football would be in 2012 and soldiered on with a massive money losing sport.
Ugly, Ugly, Ugly
Now what?
It's up to the team to prove what they're made of. We'll see Saturday.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on November 30, 2012, 08:46:03 AM
So, PTM, you went to bed early so you could get up and do that research well rested, right?
Bravo.
Why do you think I egged him on about that NIT thread?
Quote from: MU Avenue on November 29, 2012, 10:21:53 PM
I struggle to recall a Marquette team that has looked so bad and given every indication that it does not belong on the same court as its opponent.
/rewatches 2007 NCAA Tournament game vs MSU
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=274000017 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=274000017)
//rewatches 2011 NCAA Tournament game vs UNC
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310840153 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310840153)
Yep, not shocked in the least.
Quote from: front row on November 30, 2012, 08:50:34 AM
I don't get the "again" part. MU is 3-2-1 On national tv this season.
I'm sure this game didn't get a high TV rating with a NFL game on and L'ville & Rutgers on ESPN.
I am not disagreeing with you, but the 3 games on National TV that we've won were against nobody Colgate, a bad Miss St., and USC in a 5th place game. Doubt many people from across the country were tuning into those games. The games we've lost were against Florida and Butler, the 2 most high profile games out of the 5 we've played (not including OSU of course). What I'm saying is that more people nationally likely saw the bad side of our play as opposed to the good side.
Don't disagree about this year so far.
That said, this thread is how Avenue incorrect states over and over (h/t PTM) that we somehow do poorly when we are on national TV. He implies we are chokers and are rarely on national TV.
Both are completely wrong assessments of MU.
Quote from: PTM on November 30, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
MU Avenue's National Televised Outrage
After Ousmane struggled against David Padgett of Louisville, second team All-Big East.
After losing at Madison.
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread
Marquette ended up winning this game by 15, MU Avenue wrong again!
DERP, DERP, DERP, DERP.
MU Avenue is a sad broken record. All of his posts fit into the following categories:
1.) Dominic James isn't good.
2.) Ousmane isn't good.
3) Marquette never plays well on 'National Television'.
4.) Marquette always starts slow.
5.) Milwaukee Journal Sentinel grandstanding.
To quote Homer after DJO's trey ball to beat Cuse in the NCAA tourney in 2011 (on national TV no less): "Oh BABY that was sweet."
New Scoop Challenge .. after every loss, beat MU Ave to the punch by starting the "nationally embarrassed" thread first.
Quote from: PTM on November 30, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
MU Avenue's National Televised Outrage
After Ousmane struggled against David Padgett of Louisville, second team All-Big East.
After losing at Madison.
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread (TO PTM: 'PROVEN WRONG' HOW AND BY WHOM?)
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread (TO PTM: 'PROVEN WRONG' HOW AND BY WHOM?)
Note: MU Avenue was then proven wrong in that thread (TO PTM: 'PROVEN WRONG' HOW AND BY WHOM?)
Marquette ended up winning this game by 15, MU Avenue wrong again! (WRONG, PTM! MARQUETTE LOST BY 11 -- SEE BELOW.)
DERP, DERP, DERP, DERP.[/b]
MU Avenue is a sad broken record. All of his posts fit into the following categories:
1.) Dominic James isn't good. (NOT WHAT I SAID, PTM.)
2.) Ousmane isn't good. (BARRO STRUGGLED OFTENTIMES, YES, PTM.)
3.) Marquette never plays well on 'National Television'. (NEVER SAID 'NEVER,' PTM.)
4.) Marquette always starts slow. (NEVER SAID 'ALWAYS,' PTM)
5.) Milwaukee Journal Sentinel grandstanding. (HUH? I READ AND LIKE THE JOURNAL SENTINEL, PTM.)
On February 29, 2012, Marquette played at Cincinnati. Following that game, the headline at GoMarquette.com was, and still is:
No. 8/7 Marquette Stumbles at Cincinnati, 72-61See www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/022912aaa.html for the account -- the facts -- showing that Marquette had a regrettably tough night against the Bearcats and was down by as much as 19 points in the second half.
Yet PTM writes, "Marquette ended up winning this game by 15, MU Avenue wrong again!"
Huh?
I know PTM's post shown above has won applause from a few here, but those folks might want to check PTM's claims -- and "facts" -- before signing onto his error-riddled or flat-out erroneous assaults on other posters.
I have never been "proven wrong" here, whatever that means.
PTM and a few others here should check the facts. It is more work than making things up, I know, but at least they will actually add to the discussion and debate.
Quote from: MU Avenue on December 01, 2012, 08:54:38 AM
On February 29, 2012, Marquette played at Cincinnati. Following that game, the headline at GoMarquette.com was, and still is: No. 8/7 Marquette Stumbles at Cincinnati, 72-61
See www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/022912aaa.html for the account -- the facts -- showing that Marquette had a regrettably tough night against the Bearcats and was down by as much as 19 points in the second half.
Yet PTM writes, "Marquette ended up winning this game by 15, MU Avenue wrong again!"
Huh?
I know PTM's post shown above has won applause from a few here, but those folks might want to check PTM's claims -- and "facts" -- before signing onto his error-riddled or flat-out erroneous assaults on other posters.
I have never been "proven wrong" here, whatever that means.
PTM and a few others here should check the facts. It is more work than making things up, I know, but at least they will actually add to the discussion and debate.
Any comments on your numerous other posts? Are those accurate?
Quote from: MU Avenue on December 01, 2012, 08:54:38 AM
On February 29, 2012, Marquette played at Cincinnati. Following that game, the headline at GoMarquette.com was, and still is: No. 8/7 Marquette Stumbles at Cincinnati, 72-61
See www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/022912aaa.html for the account -- the facts -- showing that Marquette had a regrettably tough night against the Bearcats and was down by as much as 19 points in the second half.
Yet PTM writes, "Marquette ended up winning this game by 15, MU Avenue wrong again!"
Huh?
I know PTM's post shown above has won applause from a few here, but those folks might want to check PTM's claims -- and "facts" -- before signing onto his error-riddled or flat-out erroneous assaults on other posters.
I have never been "proven wrong" here, whatever that means.
PTM and a few others here should check the facts. It is more work than making things up, I know, but at least they will actually add to the discussion and debate.
My mistake. Like I said I believe it was 90% accurate. I referenced the game a couple of days prior on National Television where the Bearcats got pummeled.
If you can't go back into those threads and see how effing dumb you are, there's no hope.
You bring nothing to discussion and debate. Nothing. You are troll for a select group of topics. Reiterating the same topics where you are wrong its not discussion or debate, it is insanity.
Also, to paraphrase someone's signature, I'm disappointed that I already put more work into this than you have.
Annnnnnnd we're done here.
Coach Williams is calling Marquette's 82-49 defeat at Florida the "worst loss" in his coaching career.
"I've never been beat this bad in my career -- 179 games as a head coach," Williams said. "That's the worst loss. Not close. ... We were just bad, really bad in every way."
Of the Gators, the coach said, "I think they're good enough to win the whole thing."
See www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/marquettes-buzz-williams-calls-82-49-loss-at-no-7-worst-loss-of-coaching-career/2012/11/30/6261c5a8-3aaf-11e2-9258-ac7c78d5c680_story.html
I love that Coach Williams is so publicly blunt about how awful MU looked Thursday night in Gainesville.
Good and great coaches are never afraid to say -- for all to hear -- that their teams have big issues or major deficiencies. Such is the case with this year's Marquette team.
Congratulations to Coach Williams on his brutal honesty.
"The truth never hurts and we are always at our best when we know the worst." Lord Gort, during siege of Malta WWII.
Quote from: MU Avenue on December 01, 2012, 11:31:16 AM
Congratulations to Coach Williams on his brutal honesty.
He needs to be brutally honest because that loss was brutally shameful. I am not certain he should be congratulated. Telling the truth is an expectation not an act of courage.
Theres not much else he can say. It was awful.
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on December 01, 2012, 11:56:23 AM
Theres not much else he can say. It was awful.
It was truly awful. The worst loss in Marquette history was the Miami of Ohio fiasco. The worst loss because MU was not prepared was against KU in the Final Four. Second would be the humiliating loss to Western Michigan.
Any NCAA tourney loss is worse than any regular-season loss. At least to me.
But I do agree with those who congratulated Buzz on his honesty. What was he supposed to say? Well, he could have made excuses or tried to find silver linings. Instead, he let everybody -- not just his players, but everybody who cares about Marquette basketball -- that what happened in that game was totally unacceptable and he'll work hard to make it not happen again.
The loss Thursday oobviously sucked, but long season and still reason for hope. For the old timers on here we handed a major beat down at the hands of the Irish at Arena in Dukiet era which was far worse IMO. At the that point it was just the sign of the times and not a bad loss. Fl loss was hopefully was just a bad, really bad regular season loss.
It was a bad loss. But if you are going to have a bad loss, an OOC road loss to a top 10 team in November is the way to do it. Nobody got hurt and lots of time to learn, build, and recover.
Well said Tower. This team will learn from this.
Honest coach, wow, that's somethin' we weren't used to around here under the former regime.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 01, 2012, 02:41:41 PM
Honest coach, wow, that's somethin' we weren't used to around here under the former regime.
"I'm gonna be honest... I freakin love Diet Pepsi"
I don't really see anything abnormal. He basically said the obvious. I guess he could've done silver lining route about how we are a young team etc. if he was 'brutally' honest he would be more specific and could've said he was responsible. I almost took it as I'm a good coach so don't judge me on this game cause it's an outlier. I would have been more surprised if he said our specific weaknesses but that be dumb of a coach.
Some posters, including tower912 and We R Final Four, say that if Marquette had to be blown out by Florida, it is good it happened early in the season so our coaches and especially our players can use the experience as a tool of learning and growth.
I, too, think athletes benefit every time they compete, be it at practice or against another team -- win or lose.
But while it is philosophical and optimistic to write that our guys will learn, build, grow and recover from being hammered by the Gators, it seems a tad Pollyanna to suggest that with some learning, building, growing and recovering, this team is on the verge of something much bigger or greater.
This team looks and plays "young" and with great inconsistency, which is surprising given its number of college basketball veterans.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 01, 2012, 02:41:41 PM
Honest coach, wow, that's somethin' we weren't used to around here under the former regime.
Was Crean dishonest?
Like many others, I have an uneasy feeling these days about Marquette basketball; specifically, its future conference affiliation.
Marquette is a terrific university with a terrific, storied basketball tradition. Nonetheless, I worry that every day matters for Marquette as things shake out and teams align with conferences.
Thus, I hated every second of Marquette's awful, nationally televised loss to the Florida Gators. Marquette looked surprisingly weak and inconsistent. I thought the team played very "young," too.
I hardly think one loss will change the rotation of the planet, but this is no time for what is supposed to be a pretty good Marquette team to be looking so bad and to be getting crushed.
Quote from: MU Avenue on December 01, 2012, 04:17:12 PM
I have an uneasy feeling these days about Marquette basketball; specifically, its future conference affiliation.
Marquette is a terrific university with terrific, storied basketball tradition. Nonetheless, I worry that every day matters for Marquette as things shake out and teams align with conferences.
Thus, I hated every second of Marquette's awful, nationally televised loss to the Florida Gators. Marquette looked surprisingly weak and inconsistent. I thought the team played very "young," too.
I hardly think one loss will change the rotation of the planet, but this is no time for what is supposed to be a pretty good Marquette team to be looking so bad and to be getting crushed.
Nothing about this post makes any sense. This year, last year, next year, history, future. None of it matters. There is one thing that matters in terms of conference realignment and that one thing is...
Football.
You mean their is an issue about conference affiliation? I think this is a subject that should be discussed on this board. Maybe we should start a thread or two on this subject.
These are important days for future of the program. It really is amazing how much things have changed in NCAA over the past five years. We have had crossroads before and have done well for the most part. I really hope that our brass is consulting with basketball people to help their next move. I have not given hope on positive conference move, but confidence level is far from high. Maybe wishful thinking over confidence.
I say we hire fr wild as a consultant to lead us to our new Conference. I would at least have more confidence then that we are going to do the best thing possible.
Quote from: Goose on December 01, 2012, 04:22:18 PM
These are important days for future of the program. It really is amazing how much things have changed in NCAA over the past five years. We have had crossroads before and have done well for the most part. I really hope that our brass is consulting with basketball people to help their next move. I have not given hope on positive conference move, but confidence level is far from high. Maybe wishful thinking over confidence.
You are right, Goose. These are enormously important days for the future of Marquette basketball.
It is too easy to say that only football drives the bus and that the future is largely out of Marquette's control.
No one fully understands what the future will bring in terms of conference realignment. No one also knows where Marquette will land.
Accordingly, Marquette must be very smart, informed and connected as it navigates the outrageously unpredictable world of collegiate athletic conferences.
And while it might sound like a simple concept, I think it only harms Marquette when it goes on national television and gets destroyed. Again, one never knows how such outcomes might eventually skew certain decisions.
Quote from: MU Avenue on December 01, 2012, 04:37:34 PM
And while it might sound like a simple concept, I think it only harms Marquette when it goes on national television and gets destroyed. Again, one never knows how such outcomes might eventually skew certain decisions.
Ahhh, so this was really a v2 of your UF thread because v1 was locked. Agenda revealed!
Marquette could have beaten Florida by 30 and still would be in the exact same boat as far as re-alignment is concerned.
Marquette is one of the best basketball only schools in the country....that will not change because of one bad loss or even one bad season.
Unfortunately football drives the bus...not academics, traditional rivalries, geography(we benefited from that in our move to the BE), olympic sports or sadly basketball.
Obvious, restated.
Quote from: MuMark on December 01, 2012, 04:52:46 PM
.....that will not change because of one bad loss or even one bad season.
But it was on ESPN2!!!! We're fucked!!!!!
November 29, 2012.
A date which will live in infamy.
Forever.
-- MU Avenue --
Quote from: Goose on December 01, 2012, 04:22:18 PM
These are important days for future of the program. It really is amazing how much things have changed in NCAA over the past five years. We have had crossroads before and have done well for the most part. I really hope that our brass is consulting with basketball people to help their next move. I have not given hope on positive conference move, but confidence level is far from high. Maybe wishful thinking over confidence.
MU is in its fifth alignment in the last 20 years
* Independent
* Miwestern Cities
* Great Midwest
* Conference USA
* Big East
Have faith that our sixth realignment will turn out fine.
Quote from: MU Avenue on December 01, 2012, 03:22:02 PM
Some posters, including tower912 and We R Final Four, say that if Marquette had to be blown out by Florida, it is good it happened early in the season so our coaches and especially our players can use the experience as a tool of learning and growth.
I, too, think athletes benefit every time they compete, be it at practice or against another team -- win or lose.
But while it is philosophical and optimistic to write that our guys will learn, build, grow and recover from being hammered by the Gators, it seems a tad Pollyanna to suggest that with some learning, building, growing and recovering, this team is on the verge of something much bigger or greater.
This team looks and plays "young" and with great inconsistency, which is surprising given its number of college basketball veterans.
You can save us and yourself a lot of misery if you just stop watching. What exactly did you expect? I predicted the loss in the Florida pre-game thread and got chastised. Going in, I knew Florida was a top 10 team and that we weren't. I knew we were playing on their floor. I had a bad feeling going in and other than degree of butt-whoopin, it was pretty much what I expected. But it is still only one loss. It counts the same as the Butler loss. IMO, the biggest problem on this team is that we have a lot of guys trying to make the leap from role-player to leader. In 2004, we lost two starters off of a final four team, had two future NBA players on the roster, and went to the NIT. This year, we lost two starters off of a sweet 16 team, and though we have many players who have started at the D1 level, we don't have anybody who has had to be 'the man' at the D1 level. This team's success will be determined by who leads. That is a lesson to be learned from the Florida game. Neither Junior nor Jamil led. Both retreated from the moment. Blue stepped up. But he stepped alone. If this causes the fire to be lit in Jamil's and Junior's heart, then the game will be looked on as something that galvanized and changed this team. But it is up to them. But, unlike you, I will never whine because my team got whooped. See the signature and have some brie.
Quote from: MU Avenue on December 01, 2012, 04:37:34 PM
You are right, Goose. These are enormously important days for the future of Marquette basketball.
It is too easy to say that only football drives the bus and that the future is largely out of Marquette's control.
No one fully understands what the future will bring in terms of conference realignment. No one also knows where Marquette will land.
Accordingly, Marquette must be very smart, informed and connected as it navigates the outrageously unpredictable world of collegiate athletic conferences.
And while it might sound like a simple concept, I think it only harms Marquette when it goes on national television and gets destroyed. Again, one never knows how such outcomes might eventually skew certain decisions.
We could lose 20 games this year and it has no impact on where we end up. As Goose, Big Daddy and a few others know, this is gut check time for Marquette's administration. Is Pilarz that vested in basketball? That is what every basketball fan needs to worry about.
Quote from: MU Avenue on December 01, 2012, 04:17:12 PM
Like many others, I have an uneasy feeling these days about Marquette basketball; specifically, its future conference affiliation.
Marquette is a terrific university with a terrific, storied basketball tradition. Nonetheless, I worry that every day matters for Marquette as things shake out and teams align with conferences.
Thus, I hated every second of Marquette's awful, nationally televised loss to the Florida Gators. Marquette looked surprisingly weak and inconsistent. I thought the team played very "young," too.
I hardly think one loss will change the rotation of the planet, but this is no time for what is supposed to be a pretty good Marquette team to be looking so bad and to be getting crushed.
Too much angst, dude.
Winning is only important in surgery and war.
MU is going to lose some more games this year. Some of them might even be on TV. That's life.
Quote from: MU Avenue on December 01, 2012, 11:31:16 AM
Coach Williams is calling Marquette's 82-49 defeat at Florida the "worst loss" in his coaching career.
"I've never been beat this bad in my career -- 179 games as a head coach," Williams said. "That's the worst loss. Not close. ... We were just bad, really bad in every way."
Of the Gators, the coach said, "I think they're good enough to win the whole thing."
See www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/marquettes-buzz-williams-calls-82-49-loss-at-no-7-worst-loss-of-coaching-career/2012/11/30/6261c5a8-3aaf-11e2-9258-ac7c78d5c680_story.html
I love that Coach Williams is so publicly blunt about how awful MU looked Thursday night in Gainesville.
Good and great coaches are never afraid to say -- for all to hear -- that their teams have big issues or major deficiencies. Such is the case with this year's Marquette team.
Congratulations to Coach Williams on his brutal honesty.
Actually, its clear that coach Williams was being dishonest, or at least telling half truths to hide the obvious truth he wanted so badly to hide....Marquette was horribly embarrassed on national TV ... again!
CONCERN TROLLING.