Posts here say he is still on campus and has been spotted in the library. This is all good and suggests he is trying to qualify for next semester.
Assuming he does qualify, is he eligible at the start of the next semester, as in the third week of January or, because he is already a student and completed less than 12 credits (which is supposedly the reason he is ineligible) is he eligible immediately after this semester ends in about three weeks?
I'm pretty sure it is once the semester ends as ive seen that in the past, not positive though. I know forsure that it is right when the semester ends(late december) for transfers.
If so, then he can get back before BE play begins on Jan 1 and even get into a few buy-in games before.
Yup, but I have literally zero clue as to what the chances of him being ready by then are if he ever even plays for us again. Hope he does, but I don't know what the odds stand at right now.
He'd better come back.
Can you imagine how many of these will go to "waste" if he didn't?
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I was under the impression that he'd be eligible immediately after the First Semester ended. Because he'd be registered for the NCAA minimum of 12 at that point. And yeah, we've all seen him around campus and heading to classes so that's encouraging. As has been stated here a number of times, I would have a hard time seeing Todd go to classes "just because", so the fact that he's suspended and still attending leads me to believe that he's comin' back period. And based on HH, I would only (optimistically) assume that he would be back soon.
Quote from: oneposteagle on November 23, 2012, 06:09:43 PM
I was under the impression that he'd be eligible immediately after the First Semester ended. Because he'd be registered for the NCAA minimum of 12 at that point. And yeah, we've all seen him around campus and heading to classes so that's encouraging. As has been stated here a number of times, I would have a hard time seeing Todd go to classes "just because", so the fact that he's suspended and still attending leads me to believe that he's comin' back period. And based on HH, I would only (optimistically) assume that he would be back soon.
Well, to be eligible to play college basketball ever again anywhere in the country he would have to be going to classes and getting on track. He can't just be suspended for academics and just go home for a remainder of the semester and then be eligible to start next semester or transfer and be eligible. So it's hard for me to put any stock into him going to classes at MU.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2012, 06:19:25 PM
Well, to be eligible to play college basketball ever again anywhere in the country he would have to be going to classes and getting on track. He can't just be suspended for academics and just go home for a remainder of the semester and then be eligible to start next semester or transfer and be eligible. So it's hard for me to put any stock into him going to classes at MU.
No, but he could have left and look to make money in Europe, or get a try-out with a D-league team. For now he is not pursuing those options. And, at 22, does he really want to transfer and play D1 until 25?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2012, 06:19:25 PM
Well, to be eligible to play college basketball ever again anywhere in the country he would have to be going to classes and getting on track. He can't just be suspended for academics and just go home for a remainder of the semester and then be eligible to start next semester or transfer and be eligible. So it's hard for me to put any stock into him going to classes at MU.
Didn't Another suggest that Mayo was spotted on campus and potentially even in the library?......I take that to mean he in fact did not go home for the remainder of a semester.
What I am speculating is this. He dropped a class which means that he doesn't have enough class hours to qualify under NCAA standards. Remaining for the semester and passing the courses he's still in with the required GPA would still leave him short of the needed credit hours, so he wouldn't be eligible at the end of the semester.
After the semester ends, he could take an intersession course. Intercession courses are accelerated courses that meet for several hours a day during the semester break. Provided that he passed that course, he would then have the necessary class hours to be eligible under NCAA standards, and would be eligible at the start of the second semester.
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 23, 2012, 07:51:34 PM
What I am speculating is this. He dropped a class which means that he doesn't have enough class hours to qualify under NCAA standards. Remaining for the semester and passing the courses he's still in with the required GPA would still leave him short of the needed credit hours, so he wouldn't be eligible at the end of the semester.
After the semester ends, he could take an intersession course. Intercession courses are accelerated courses that meet for several hours a day during the semester break. Provided that he passed that course, he would then have the necessary class hours to be eligible under NCAA standards, and would be eligible at the start of the second semester.
Little, simply being down below 12 hours is reason enough. It is pure speculation that Todd won't have made sufficient progress toward his degree to be immediately eligible following the semester. While your theory might be true, we've not heard that directly.
By the way, I motivated jsglow jr. about his paper this weekend by indicating that his friend Steve was writing his on the 10 hour plane ride back from Maui. Anybody that thinks basketball players don't work hard in school just doesn't understand the commitment MU has to academics.
Quote from: jsglow on November 23, 2012, 08:05:03 PM
Little, simply being down below 12 hours is reason enough. It is pure speculation that Todd won't have made sufficient progress toward his degree to be immediately eligible following the semester. While your theory might be true, we've not heard that directly.
By the way, I motivated jsglow jr. about his paper this weekend by indicating that his friend Steve was writing his on the 10 hour plane ride back from Maui. Anybody that thinks basketball players don't work hard in school just doesn't understand the commitment MU has to academics.
You are quite correct that it is pure speculation that Todd won't have made sufficient progress toward his degree to be immediately eligible following the semester. Here's the basis for my speculation. What we know is that Todd was eligible at the start of the first semester, then in mid-semester, he wasn't eligible. People in the know seemed to believe that mid term grades won't cause a player to become ineligible. At least by the NCAA which is reported the standards that led to Todd's ineligibility. So, Todd was thought to be ineligible for not carrying enough credit hours after dropping a class.
If that is indeed the case, then he cannot become eligible by the end of the semester, unless he came up with some way to increase the hours he will complete by adding something more than half way though the semester. I don't know of any way he could have done that.
What you say is true. What can't be known is if Todd was progressing beyond the bare minimum on a cumulative basis. Just to be extreme and make a point, he could have carried 18 last Spring. Also, I wonder if registering for 15 in the Spring would immediate get him 'on pace'.
But everything I've heard is that needing to drop a class might have been the trigger. I've purposefully decided not to press for info because it's really not my business. Anyway, my sincere hope is that he's busting his butt in Raynor because in the long run, that's what really matters.
You think Jae would know (what Todd is up to) since Todd's bro is his teammate?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on November 24, 2012, 02:27:30 AM
You think Jae would know (what Todd is up to) since Todd's bro is his teammate?
It's probably more likely that he knows because he still talks/texts with old teammates at MU.
Has it even been established by what standard he is ineligible...NCAA or Is this a team/MU suspension? I admittedly have not read everything, but I have not seen anyone actaually say it is due to NCAA requirements. If it isn't, obviously, he could theoretically be back today.
Word is that he isn't enrolled the NCAA required 12 credits. Therefore he isn't eligible to play at least until the end of the semester.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 26, 2012, 07:45:39 AM
Word is that he isn't enrolled the NCAA required 12 credits. Therefore he isn't eligible to play at least until the end of the semester.
End of the semester (mid-Dec) as opposed to beginning of the next semester (mid-Jan)? Or does second semester technically begin as soon as first semester ends?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 26, 2012, 07:52:31 AM
End of the semester (mid-Dec) as opposed to beginning of the next semester (mid-Jan)? Or does second semester technically begin as soon as first semester ends?
Yes, this is the question. Rumor is he dropped a class that took him under 12 credits making him ineligible. So the Saturday after finals is he eligible to play (assuming he qualifies again) which, I believe, is two weeks from this Saturday? Or is he eligible the first day (Monday) of the next semester in mid-January?
Bonus question, if he is eligible two weeks from Saturday, which guard play first, Mayo or Vander?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 26, 2012, 07:52:31 AM
End of the semester (mid-Dec) as opposed to beginning of the next semester (mid-Jan)? Or does second semester technically begin as soon as first semester ends?
I don't know the answer to that.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 26, 2012, 09:10:05 AMBonus question, if he is eligible two weeks from Saturday, which guard play first, Mayo or Vander?
Seems assuredly Vander. He's a junior, has already started for 2 years, and has been present for everything this year. I can't imagine missing practice and games, regardless of the circumstance, would move Todd up the depth chart.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 26, 2012, 09:37:30 AM
Seems assuredly Vander. He's a junior, has already started for 2 years, and has been present for everything this year. I can't imagine missing practice and games, regardless of the circumstance, would move Todd up the depth chart.
I meant does Vander injury hold him out for more than two weeks meaning Mayo becomes eligible to play and sees action before Vander returns.
Quote"In Division I, student-athletes must complete 40 percent of the coursework required for a degree by the end of their second year. They must complete 60 percent by the end of their third year and 80 percent by the end of their fourth year. Student-athletes are allowed five years to graduate while receiving athletically related financial aid. All Division I student-athletes must earn at least six credit hours each term to be eligible for the following term and must meet minimum grade-point average requirements that are related to an institution's own GPA standards for graduation."
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/Academics
MU requires 128 credits to graduate, so Todd only needs to have 52 credits by the end of 2012-13 to be eligible. There does not appear to be any interim requirements (i.e. 26 credits by end of the first year, 39 credits by end of Fall 2012 semester, etc.) set by the NCAA until you reach the end of your second year, so total number of credit hours earned (40/60/80 Rule) isn't what is making Todd ineligible; however D-I does requires "progress-toward-degree," i.e. you must be enrolled a minimum number of credit hours to be considered a full-time student by your institution (12 for undergrads at MU).
In short, if you can answer yes to each of the following questions, you're eligible:
1) If you've completed your second/third/fourth year, have you earned 52/77/103 credit hours, respectively?
2) Did you earn at least six credit hours in the previous term?
3) Is your GPA at or above your institution's minimum requirements?
4) Are you currently enrolled for 12 credit hours?
Assuming the consensus opinion that Todd is ineligible as a result of #4 above, as long as he earns 6 credit hours each semester for the first two years and maintains MU's GPA requirements, he is eligible for the next
term.
"Term" is also defined by the institution. Session 1 (fall semester) at Marquette ends 12/15/12 and Session 7 (spring semester) begins 12/17/12. Therefore, assuming that Todd earns six credits this semester, keeps his GPA over MU's threshold, (EDIT)
and enrolls in 12 credits for the spring semester Todd will be eligible on 12/17/12, making him available - at the earliest - for UWGB.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 26, 2012, 09:39:07 AM
I meant does Vander injury hold him out for more than two weeks meaning Mayo becomes eligible to play and sees action before Vander returns.
Gotcha. I think Vander. Maybe this is another DG situation, but I really think Blue will be back Thursday.
Quote from: Benny B on November 26, 2012, 09:39:25 AM
"Term" is also defined by the institution. Session 1 (fall semester) at Marquette ends 12/15/12 and Session 7 (spring semester) begins 12/17/12. Therefore, assuming that Todd earns six credits this semester, keeps his GPA over MU's threshold, (EDIT) and enrolls in 12 credits for the spring semester Todd will be eligible on 12/17/12, making him available - at the earliest - for UWGB.
Thanks for this research.
The answer appears to be December 17 if Mayo becomes eligible. The game to look for him would be Green Bay December 19. He would also have LSU on December 22 and North Carolina Central on December 29 to get ready for BE play.
One additional caveat:
QuoteA student cannot become eligible for competition during a semester if he is not eligible the first day of that semester. To regain eligibility a student must make up the credit hour or grade point average deficiencies by the beginning of the next semester.
In other words, if Todd isn't eligible on 12/17, he is ineligible for the entirety of the Spring 2013 semester. No chance to make up any classes between sessions.
Thanks for that clarification. So Todd is eligible December 19 against Green Bay or not at all this year.
And two days later the Mayan calendar ends so none of this will matter!
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 26, 2012, 09:53:52 AM
Thanks for that clarification. So Todd is eligible December 19 against Green Bay or not at all this year.
In my opinion, if he isn't eligible by the end of the first semester, he has played his last game in a MU uniform.
One more thought ... if Mayo qualifies again, he will be eligible on December 17 with the next game being Green Bay on December 19, as explained above.
But MU cannot announce he is eligible until the semester is actually over on December 15. So, the announcement will have to come December 16.
So, if no announcement on December 16 that Mayo is again eligible, that means he is not eligible for the second semester. And if he is not declared eligible on December 16, then Sultan is right, he played is last game for MU.
Is this correct?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 26, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
One more thought ... if Mayo qualifies again, he will be eligible on December 17 with the next game being Green Bay on December 19, as explained above.
But MU cannot announce he is eligible until the semester is actually over on December 15. So, the announcement will have to come December 16.
So, if no announcement on December 16 that Mayo is again eligible, that means he is not eligible for the second semester. And if he is not declared eligible on December 16, then Sultan is right, he played is last game for MU.
Is this correct?
Always answer a question with a question (or questions).
A) When are first semester grades due? (If Todd's already ineligible, won't MU want to be sure that he made grades before announcing that he's back? I know that I would want to know for sure.)
B) Does it follow that if MU
can announce that Todd is eligible on a certain date, then MU
must announce that Todd is eligible on that date?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 26, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
One more thought ... if Mayo qualifies again, he will be eligible on December 17 with the next game being Green Bay on December 19, as explained above.
But MU cannot announce he is eligible until the semester is actually over on December 15. So, the announcement will have to come December 16.
So, if no announcement on December 16 that Mayo is again eligible, that means he is not eligible for the second semester. And if he is not declared eligible on December 16, then Sultan is right, he played is last game for MU.
Is this correct?
I wouldn't look to December 16 as a bellwether date. There are a number of factors that could delay (or expedite) an announcement:
1) Reporting of grades
2) Availability of someone to put out a press release over the weekend (16th is a Sunday)
3) Coach-, AD-, or institution-imposed suspension or similar measure following re-attainment of NCAA eligibility
4) Possibility of Todd being NCAA-eligible on 12/17 but not MU-eligible until a later date
5) Privacy issues
I don't think there are any date restrictions on when an announcement can be made. Strictly for purposes of an example, if his grades are reported this afternoon and he enrolls for 12 credits tomorrow morning, MU could announce tomorrow afternoon that he'll be returning in a couple weeks. Or MU simply may not make an announcement at all regardless of circumstance and we don't know until we either see him on the court or the media asks the question. (However, one would have to assume that good news would be announced.)
If we don't see Todd on the court 12/19 and Hunt, Strotty, and Goodman (metaphorically speaking) don't have the skinny by then, then I would start making assumptions. Until then, we wait.
Some excellent work on this.
Grades usually post on the Tuesday after Finals week. I believe that's 12/18 this year.
Ok the earliest is December 16, the latest is December 19, the Green Bay game. If that game comes and goes without a word, then he probably is not eligible.
To repeat, if "they" say nothing between December 16 and 19, then their is nothing new and he is not eligible, most likely for the entire second semester.
Benny B, thanks very much for those two posts.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 26, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
Ok the earliest is December 16, the latest is December 19, the Green Bay game. If that game comes and goes without a word, then he probably is not eligible.
To repeat, if "they" say nothing between December 16 and 19, then their is nothing new and he is not eligible, most likely for the entire second semester.
I agree with the italicized portion.
Quote from: Benny B on November 26, 2012, 02:08:18 PM
I agree with the italicized portion.
Yes, Buzz does not need him to win against Green Bay but he does need him back practicing with the team ASAP. If no announcement by the 19th, I fear he's done.