In the last game I noticed dumb lineups, and a lack of coaching from Buzz. It's a 3 point game right now. It's time to use a real friggin line up and let guys stay in for more than 2 minutes...Pathetic.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on November 13, 2012, 08:58:52 PM
In the last game I noticed dumb lineups, and a lack of coaching from Buzz. It's a 3 point game right now. It's time to use a real friggin line up and let guys stay in for more than 2 minutes...Pathetic.
Ah....took for Game 2 for this oldie but a goodie to emerge....
I am going to speculate that he is still trying to figure out what he has. Plus, it doesn't really matter who he runs out there right now, they aren't producing.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on November 13, 2012, 08:58:52 PM
In the last game I noticed dumb lineups, and a lack of coaching from Buzz. It's a 3 point game right now. It's time to use a real friggin line up and let guys stay in for more than 2 minutes...Pathetic.
No. It's not.
Quote from: Aughnanure on November 13, 2012, 09:02:12 PM
No. It's not.
We're up by 3 at half to a team our biggest rivals beat by 40 the other night...This is ugly
Quote from: Clam Crowder on November 13, 2012, 09:04:21 PM
We're up by 3 at half to a team our biggest rivals beat by 40 the other night...This is ugly
UW-Madison played their starters all night, Buzz is treating this game like practice.
Haven't you watched how Buzz runs non-conference cupcakes for the past 5 years? This is nothing new. Equal minutes for everyone and constantly shifting lineups. We'll learn a lot about the team tonight.
Plus, if the guys hit their bleeping layups, MU would be up 20. That has nothing to do with Buzz's coaching.
If you are cool with being up by 3 right now that is good for you. Junior has missed 2 point blank layups, Otule is not aggressive at all on the boards, Gardner's defense is atrocious...These guys are not freshman they should know the drill by now. It is very concerning. I know how Buzz coaches...you are all right that this frustration is more from the team.
In all seriousness Buzz shouldnt have to do any coaching. This is pathetic, but it's not the coaching.
Buzz is clearly playing with lineups, its hard for us fans to see Marquette with such a slim lead vs a mediocre opponent...but I would rather win ugly now and get all the issues out of the way than to mess up when it counts.
Quote from: LAZER on November 13, 2012, 09:10:50 PM
In all seriousness Buzz shouldnt have to do any coaching. This is pathetic, but it's not the coaching.
We will have to wait to find out if there is a leader like Zar, Jae, or Jimmy...so far no one is showing much of that.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on November 13, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
We will have to wait to find out if there is a leader like Zar, Jae, or Jimmy...so far no one is showing much of that.
Ah...game 2 for this one as well.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 13, 2012, 09:16:42 PM
Ah...game 2 for this one as well.
Just a few more games for the following:
~Buzz needs to practice free throws
~Vanders sucks erp, this one already happened
~MU needs to stop giving up open 3's dammit, this one too
~We need quality bigs
This team will take awhile to gel, especially with Pilarz and Larry sinking Mayo before the semester was over.
Nice to see Gardner stepping up. Need a shooter to step up.
Quote from: reinko on November 13, 2012, 09:35:02 PM
Just a few more games for the following:
~Buzz needs to practice free throws
~Vanders sucks erp, this one already happened
~MU needs to stop giving up open 3's dammit, this one too
~We need quality bigs
Techinically this happened during the Embiid fiasco.
Quote from: Stone Cold on November 13, 2012, 09:36:11 PM
especially with Pilarz and Larry sinking Mayo before the semester was over.
That is not an accurate statement.
Mayo sunk Mayo.
Buzz is just makin them squirm a bit. I'm fine with it. See how they do under pressure.
Also he wouldn't have to make them squirm if they'd make the no footers.
Can someone name me another DI college b-ball player that was ruled academically ineligible mid semester?
This is hilarious. Why feed Davante all game? No extra points for blowing them out. Do it when necessary.
This happens every year.
Quote from: Stone Cold on November 13, 2012, 10:04:03 PM
Can someone name me another DI college b-ball player that was ruled academically ineligible mid semester?
Someone has to be the trailblazer. Probably really hard to do. Yet Mayo found a way.
Quote from: Stone Cold on November 13, 2012, 10:04:03 PM
Can someone name me another DI college b-ball player that was ruled academically ineligible mid semester?
The circumstances make sense...he dropped a class is under the minimum, and deserves it
Quote from: Stone Cold on November 13, 2012, 10:04:03 PM
Can someone name me another DI college b-ball player that was ruled academically ineligible mid semester?
He dropped a class because he was doing poorly. He was doing poorly because he wasn't going to them. Seriously, he knew what the rules were and still decided that it wasn't really a priority for him. Can't really blame LW or SP for this.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 13, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
He dropped a class because he was doing poorly. He was doing poorly because he wasn't going to them. Seriously, he knew what the rules were and still decided that it wasn't really a priority for him. Can't really blame LW or SP for this.
Sultan has a rule that it's OK for him to guess, but not for others to do so.
If going to class was required I never would've made it through undergrad let alone grad school.
Need to work with the kid and ensure supports are there, he may need more help then most kids but giving up on him and letting him fail out (which i'm not sure how that is possible with umpteen more weeks of school) is jacked up especially when we've had scholars like James Matthews, Trevor Mbakwe, etc. come through here under Crean.
Mayo missed three weeks of at least one class.
So have I. Early in my college career I only went to one class three times and still got a B +.
Quote from: Stone Cold on November 13, 2012, 10:20:40 PM
If going to class was required I never would've made it through undergrad let alone grad school.
Need to work with the kid and ensure supports are there, he may need more help then most kids but giving up on him and letting him fail out (which i'm not sure how that is possible with umpteen more weeks of school) is jacked up especially when we've had scholars like James Matthews, Trevor Mbakwe, etc. come through here under Crean.
At some point the responsibility falls on him
Quote from: Stone Cold on November 13, 2012, 10:22:59 PM
So have I. Early in my college career I only went to one class three times and still got a B +.
Not everyone can do that and it was a class were attendance was required. A class that you had to show to be graded.
What's done is done and there obviously needs to be some personal responsibility. I just hope the same supports are in place and Mayo is an extreme. Cause we had a long streak of academically eligible players at MU through Crean etc. that were borderline, not to mention a Crean thief special(heyo Pat Hazel).
Anywho good game fellas!!
Big Davante doing work, love the length of Jamil (can't wait for McKay to get here, fingers crossed).
Nice to see Cadougan hitting some outside shots.
Vander definitely is still the mystery from his junior year run at Memorial, hopefully he can clean up some of his game still.
Go marquette
Quote from: newsdrms on November 13, 2012, 10:21:34 PM
Mayo missed three weeks of at least one class.
Not blaming anyone but Mayo, but doesn't the basketball program verify these guys are in class every day? I would think that would be standard procedure, particularly given Mayo's past. If that's true that he missed three weeks of one class, he should have been called on it much sooner. That said, it's hard to feel bad for Todd if he wasn't making any effort. He was begging for trouble. It would be a real shame to waste the opportunity he's been given.
Quote from: Stone Cold on November 13, 2012, 10:22:59 PM
So have I. Early in my college career I only went to one class three times and still got a B +.
Good for you. Many college classes nowadays have strict attendance policies. 2 misses, each miss thereafter results in a drop in your final grade by one letter. 6 misses and you can at best get an F.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 13, 2012, 10:17:11 PM
Sultan has a rule that it's OK for him to guess, but not for others to do so.
Iwb posted this scenario on his site. It was the rationale he said he pieced together from different sources but stated it was very tough to get to the truth due to privacy laws.
It has been repeatedly stated this is an NCAA thing not an MU thing.
Quote from: forgetful on November 13, 2012, 10:49:47 PM
Good for you. Many college classes nowadays have strict attendance policies. 2 misses, each miss thereafter results in a drop in your final grade by one letter. 6 misses and you can at best get an F.
This was the rule as far as 20 years ago. Doesn't mean that it's followed anymore now than it was then. One of my professors had a breakdown of what each class cost based on tuition and said we were old enough to make our own choice. I paid my own tuition so it made sense to me.
My "source" (bball office) says after talking to Todd that he and a girl handed in tests with the same answers and the teacher was suspicious, so he had to drop the class, putting him below the required minimum. Word is that he has a chance to be back around Christmas Break (Second Semester he would be back to taking the required minimum again - I don't know the NCAA ruling on that) so I guess we'll all just stay tuned and hope that our best offensive wing gets some good luck going his way.
Quote from: oneposteagle on November 13, 2012, 11:47:48 PM
My "source" (bball office) says after talking to Todd that he and a girl handed in tests with the same answers and the teacher was suspicious (don't really wanna type out the word so I'm doing my best to dance around it), so he had to drop the class, putting him below the required minimum. Word is that he has a chance to be back around Christmas Break (Second Semester he would be back to taking the required minimum again - I don't know the NCAA ruling on that) so I guess we'll all just stay tuned and hope that our best offensive wing gets some good luck going his way.
Not that I mind, but how exactly was that dancing around it?
Quote from: oneposteagle on November 13, 2012, 11:47:48 PM
My "source" (bball office) says after talking to Todd that he and a girl handed in tests with the same answers and the teacher was suspicious, so he had to drop the class, putting him below the required minimum. Word is that he has a chance to be back around Christmas Break (Second Semester he would be back to taking the required minimum again - I don't know the NCAA ruling on that) so I guess we'll all just stay tuned and hope that our best offensive wing gets some good luck going his way.
Pretty big stones on whoever your "source" is to let slip an accusation of cheating.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 13, 2012, 10:17:11 PM
Sultan has a rule that it's OK for him to guess, but not for others to do so.
Not guessing.
Quote from: Stone Cold on November 13, 2012, 10:22:59 PM
So have I. Early in my college career I only went to one class three times and still got a B +.
Congratulations! If Mayo were getting a B+ this wouldn't be an issue...
Buzz does seem a little tamer this year. At this point on I am chalking it up to learning a new team and figuring things out. If things remain the same I will start to woory or question the new Buzz. For those Packer fans I remember Holmgren in last year in GB and he had look of guy moving on. Not there on Buzz now and I hope he becomes the excited Buzz as season moves on.
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Quote from: Goose on November 14, 2012, 10:10:52 AM
Buzz does seem a little tamer this year. At this point on I am chalking it up to learning a new team and figuring things out. If things remain the same I will start to woory or question the new Buzz. For those Packer fans I remember Holmgren in last year in GB and he had look of guy moving on. Not there on Buzz now and I hope he becomes the excited Buzz as season moves on.
Really? After 2 games against weak, no-name opponents where he admittedly let the players play through some of their issues, you're ready to call Buzz tamer?
Quote from: Goose on November 14, 2012, 10:10:52 AM
Buzz does seem a little tamer this year. At this point on I am chalking it up to learning a new team and figuring things out. If things remain the same I will start to woory or question the new Buzz. For those Packer fans I remember Holmgren in last year in GB and he had look of guy moving on. Not there on Buzz now and I hope he becomes the excited Buzz as season moves on.
Do you do anything but start rumors? Buzz was the first guy to help Lockett up after taking a charge and was dancing around with him. He's the same Buzz, he just has higher expectations for our guys against these cupcakes and every year he lets them play through adversity at this time.
The information I have received regarding Mayo I have gotten from my own contacts...not from any other site. I have known about his issues long ago.
jeffrey
All I said is Buzz seems less hyper to me thus far. I can tell you that as a fan I have been less hyper watching these games. Really not sure on what rumor I started with my post other voicing opinion that Buzz seems tamer. The games have sucked and rotation has not helped. As mentioned not overly concerned with anything other than the fact we look pretty crappy to me.
Quote from: Goose on November 14, 2012, 10:10:52 AM
Buzz does seem a little tamer this year. At this point on I am chalking it up to learning a new team and figuring things out. If things remain the same I will start to woory or question the new Buzz. For those Packer fans I remember Holmgren in last year in GB and he had look of guy moving on. Not there on Buzz now and I hope he becomes the excited Buzz as season moves on.
In other words, confirmation bias.
Pakuni
At this point I have completely blocked out Buzz staying or going from thought process. Long season and much can happen. My comments on Buzz were based on he seemed mellow to me by his standards. Seriously, I am hoping for Buzz to stay and not looking for anything other than a fun season.
As to the 'play through it' comments, Buzz actually did call a timeout or two last night at critical junctions in the second half to make sure the game didn't slip away. I have specific recollection from last year actually of Buzz allowing the team to play 'all the way' through it w/o using any timeouts. Stress on the kids early in the season pays dividends later.
I like the "play through it" philosphy. Used to think Buzz was crazy for doing it but now love it.
It's just frustrating to watch. But yes, the team will be better for it in the long run.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2012, 12:15:35 PM
It's just frustrating to watch. But yes, the team will be better for it in the long run.
I feel like the appropriate quote about our opinions of watching a good game and Buzz trying to build character:
"If you start listening to the fans for advice, you'll soon be sitting with them."
It's gonna be a pain in the ass during these cupcake games, but in my mind Buzz has gained enough rope to do this sort of thing and build a team that wins his way.
Quote from: Stone Cold on November 13, 2012, 10:04:03 PM
Can someone name me another DI college b-ball player that was ruled academically ineligible mid semester?
I only got through the C's, but Auburn has Chris Denson, Appalachian State has Mike Neal, and Central Arkansas has Mike Borden.
Denson-- "Denson has been declared ineligible for the fall semester and will not be able to return until it's finished and he can improve his grades."
Neal- "Neal is dealing with academic issues and will miss the entire first semester due to eligibility problems."
Borden- "Borden is dealing with academic issues and will be out until at least December."
http://chicagosports.sportsdirectinc.com/basketball/ncaab-injuries.aspx?page=/data/ncaab/injury/injuries.html
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on November 14, 2012, 12:30:51 PM
I only got through the C's, but Auburn has Chris Denson, Appalachian State has Mike Neal, and Central Arkansas has Mike Borden.
Denson-- "Denson has been declared ineligible for the fall semester and will not be able to return until it's finished and he can improve his grades."
Neal- "Neal is dealing with academic issues and will miss the entire first semester due to eligibility problems."
Borden- "Borden is dealing with academic issues and will be out until at least December."
http://chicagosports.sportsdirectinc.com/basketball/ncaab-injuries.aspx?page=/data/ncaab/injury/injuries.html
Wow, good research. I wouldn't have even taken the time. But....BOOM, there it is.
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on November 14, 2012, 12:30:51 PM
I only got through the C's, but Auburn has Chris Denson, Appalachian State has Mike Neal, and Central Arkansas has Mike Borden.
Denson-- "Denson has been declared ineligible for the fall semester and will not be able to return until it's finished and he can improve his grades."
Neal- "Neal is dealing with academic issues and will miss the entire first semester due to eligibility problems."
Borden- "Borden is dealing with academic issues and will be out until at least December."
http://chicagosports.sportsdirectinc.com/basketball/ncaab-injuries.aspx?page=/data/ncaab/injury/injuries.html
Wait a minute! Wait just a gol darned minute! I thought only Buzz recruited marginal students?