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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Bocephys on November 07, 2012, 01:32:15 PM

Title: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: Bocephys on November 07, 2012, 01:32:15 PM
Someone believes in Vander's new look shot at least.

Quote28. Marquette Golden Eagles

An improved Vander Blue, who is a better shooter now than at any point in his career, should be enough to vault Marquette into the top half of the Big East. The addition of Arizona State transfer Trent Lockett provides another athletic junkyard dog. The Golden Eagles will be good again.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8589315/jay-bilas-ranks-nation-top-68-teams-college-basketball
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: Knight Commission on November 07, 2012, 04:06:36 PM
I would rather have Vander be the paint-touch, penetrator, than the shooter; but dont get me wrong it would be nice to see him drain some jumpers...I just dont think that it is his game, nor what we really need from him. He has the athletic ability to penetrate the lane but often when he has done it the past he made bad judgments, was out-of-control, didn't dish when he could have etc. Hopefully he can do it half as well as DJO, (who was as good as anyone but didn't do it enough).
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: Big Daddy Z on November 07, 2012, 06:57:06 PM
you dont develop a jump shot in your JR year, he is what is his, yes he can improve but we cant count on him to be our 3pt guy
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: BM1090 on November 07, 2012, 07:38:09 PM
Quote from: Big Daddy Z on November 07, 2012, 06:57:06 PM
you dont develop a jump shot in your JR year, he is what is his, yes he can improve but we cant count on him to be our 3pt guy

Jerel Mcneal begs to differ
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: brewcity77 on November 07, 2012, 07:38:46 PM
Quote from: Big Daddy Z on November 07, 2012, 06:57:06 PM
you dont develop a jump shot in your JR year, he is what is his, yes he can improve but we cant count on him to be our 3pt guy

He made a big jump already from his freshman to sophomore year, from 16% to 26%. If he can get up to 30% as a junior and 33-35% as a senior, that's fairly reliable as a guy primarily counted on to get to the rack.
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: AZWarrior on November 07, 2012, 07:48:31 PM
Quote from: Big Daddy Z on November 07, 2012, 06:57:06 PM
you dont develop a jump shot in your JR year, he is what is his, yes he can improve but we cant count on him to be our 3pt guy

An athlete can repair and improve his jump shot form in a few months.  Assuming he has the desire, the time to shoot hundreds of Js a day to groove the new form into muscle memory, and a coach to watch him and ensure he's grooving the proper new form.
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: GoldenZebra on November 07, 2012, 07:53:32 PM
I think Vander will be a decent threat from 3pt land, even if he can get to something around 30%, that would be nice. So what if his form is ugly, if he makes the shots, so what.
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: hoyasincebirth on November 08, 2012, 10:08:05 AM
where does he rank the rest of the BE?
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on November 08, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: Big Daddy Z on November 07, 2012, 06:57:06 PM
you dont develop a jump shot in your JR year, he is what is his, yes he can improve but we cant count on him to be our 3pt guy

He doesn't need to be Novak, he just needs to shoot around 33%. That will keep defenders honest.
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: Bocephys on November 08, 2012, 10:21:32 AM
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on November 08, 2012, 10:08:05 AM
where does he rank the rest of the BE?

Here are some teams of note.

1.  Louisville
2.  Indiana
6.  Syracuse
13. Ohio State
17. Notre Dame
23. Pittsburgh
31. Georgetown
33. West Virginia
40. Cincinnati
44. Butler
49. Wisconsin
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: Dawson Rental on November 08, 2012, 10:22:04 AM
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 08, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
He doesn't need to be Novak, he just needs to shoot around 33%. That will keep defenders honest.

Yeah, a 33% 3pt shooter is the equivalent to a 50% 2pt shooter.  There are very few of those around Division I.  The ones who do are almost exclusively big guys who shoot very close to the hoop.
Title: Re: Bilas Index - Marquette #28
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on November 08, 2012, 10:42:02 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 08, 2012, 10:22:04 AM
Yeah, a 33% 3pt shooter is the equivalent to a 50% 2pt shooter.  There are very few of those around Division I.  The ones who do are almost exclusively big guys who shoot very close to the hoop.

Yep. If he can take 3 3pters per game and make 1, that will be enough to round out his game.

For instance, Mayo shot 31/93 last year from 3.

Wes and Jerel improved quite a bit in their careers. James didn't.

I guess we'll see how Vander does.
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