First, best of luck to Todd in getting his academic house in order. But the season goes on for the rest of the team. So how do we see Todd's 25 MPG getting redistributed?
Jake Thomas, come on down. DWilson, time to step up. Young Mr. Ferguson, parlay some of that acrobatic athleticism into some positive contributions. This could also open the door to playing Lockett at the 2 and letting Taylor/Juan get some time up front at the 3. Lots of scenarios. Heck, it could even open the door to some twin tower action.
But......no getting around it, this hurts MU's 3 pt shooting, hurts MU's depth, makes the rotation even more of an unknown.
Quote from: tower912 on November 05, 2012, 08:21:21 PM
First, best of luck to Todd in getting his academic house in order. But the season goes on for the rest of the team. So how do we see Todd's 25 MPG getting redistributed?
Jake Thomas, come on down. DWilson, time to step up. Young Mr. Ferguson, parlay some of that acrobatic athleticism into some positive contributions. This could also open the door to playing Lockett at the 2 and letting Taylor/Juan get some time up front at the 3. Lots of scenarios. Heck, it could even open the door to some twin tower action.
But......no getting around it, this hurts MU's 3 pt shooting, hurts MU's depth, makes the rotation even more of an unknown.
Right on all accounts. This is a setback that becomes an opportunity for others. I think someone steps up and the team is ok. More importantly, let's hope Todd takes advantage of what is surely his last chance at MU. I remember last year when Buzz was almost in tears talking about Todd - saying that he had never been loved before and he didn't know how to deal with it. He's still struggling, but how can we as Marquette people not be pulling for him?
There's a reason we made Trent Lockett a priority.
Based on four years of history, Buzz has never looked at the loss of a player as a reason to extend his rotaton.
For example, last year, with Otule out for the year and Gartner injured for 8 games, Anderson, Wilson and Jones saw no signifciant increase in average minutes. In fact, those three players combined for 21.7 mpg on the season, and just 21.3 mpg in those 8 games. Take away the boosted minuts against WVU, and they averaged 17.8 during that stretch when we lost Gardner.
If anything, I think we'll see a consolidation to a 7 or 8 man rotation even earlier this year.
I fully expect that we're going to see Cadougan, Blue, Lockett and Wilson average 30 or more minutes, Gardner and Otule average 20 each, and everyone else splits the remainder. The bench will get more in blowouts and against cupcakes, and less in tight games.
Agreed, perhaps players that werent going to make the rotations as much wont see minutes, but rather the players we expect to step up will do so, big time. MU will be fine, I hope and pray for Todd to get back on track though.
With a year off, Jake is more BE ready than expected. Taylor is more ready than any freshman under Buzz. And, Juan will be a surprise. Lockett was Buzz's insurance, but MU needs a shooter-scorer to step up. I pick Junior Blue.
Marquette will be just fine. It's up to Mayo to get a grip and decide how he wants the rest of his life to play out. Frankly, I'd be shocked if he ever laces up his Nikes for MU again.
When God closes a door, he opens a window. And should the door turn out to be closed for good, then I hope the window is big enough for a 7-footer from Cameroon to fit through.
agree with everything you said - MU will move on just fine - plenty of players in the rotation and I don't expect to see Mayo in a MU uniform...
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 05, 2012, 09:53:53 PM
Marquette will be just fine. It's up to Mayo to get a grip and decide how he wants the rest of his life to play out. Frankly, I'd be shocked if he ever laces up his Nikes for MU again.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 05, 2012, 09:53:53 PM
Marquette will be just fine. It's up to Mayo to get a grip and decide how he wants the rest of his life to play out. Frankly, I'd be shocked if he ever laces up his Nikes for MU again.
If you're right, I wouldn't expect to see him on campus this semester.
How this plays out...
Too early for a Mayo to Memphis thread?
The offense is a concern.
Opportunity is there. And with it comes minutes, if successful.
Quote from: PTM on November 05, 2012, 10:03:49 PM
How this plays out...
Too early for a Mayo to Memphis thread?
Why? His brother plays for the Mavericks and he grew up in West Virginia.
Mayo to North Texas?
Quote from: JerryWizig on November 05, 2012, 10:32:46 PM
Why? His brother plays for the Mavericks and he grew up in West Virginia.
Mayo to North Texas?
Probably because it was reported he almost transferred there already.
Aki.
I was a huge Mayo fan and I always believed he was the one who would be really, really good this year. So much for that. Any kid that cannot maintain a 1.9 GPA should not be playing athletics, let alone be still admitted. I am sure he was not taking Thermo Engineering or any courses such as. Losing Crowder, DJO and now Mayo, my hopes for a big season just went on downward spiral, but love the underdog aspect and see who steps it up.
Quote from: PTM on November 05, 2012, 10:36:44 PM
Probably because it was reported he almost transferred there already.
Aki.
No Big East transfers at this point.
In the end, I think Lockett and Blue just went from 28 MPG players to 33 MPG players and Jake Thomas just went from spot action to 10-12 MPG with Taylor and Juan picking up the rest. And next year's class had better be ready to go the minute they step on campus.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 05, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
No Big East transfers at this point.
Ah, crap. Forgot about them joining.
Bummer for Todd. Would love to see him get his act together and return. Have to admit, this a bit of a head scratcher, with Todd's comments to Hunt last month, and also knowing that MU has a department full of tutors dedicated in whole to athletes. Hopefully Todd steps up, and learns from what could be just a minor setback in the big picture.
We have enough depth. Two great 5's, lots of athleticism at the 3/4, Jr at the point, and Lockett/blue at the 2. Also senior leadership from CO, Lockett, and Jr. We will be fine.
We will know in 3 days what kind of team we have.
Todd is still on campus, the injury thread has a picture of him in amu yesterday afternoon. If he is still on campus, their is hope he starts going to class and gets it together.
Posted on this in the other thread, but I think Todd will be back for the Big East season. Maybe not the UConn game, but by the middle of January I expect to see him out there. I hope he makes it through and continues on at Marquette, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he looked at getting paid for basketball after this year, especially if he can have a Dion Waiters-type impact (12-14 ppg, 2-3 apg, 2-3 rpg) off the bench. I realize he won't be a lottery pick like Waiters was, but he could get a shot in the league, and if not definitely in the D-League or in Europe.
Quote from: tower912 on November 06, 2012, 05:31:13 AM
In the end, I think Lockett and Blue just went from 28 MPG players to 33 MPG players and Jake Thomas just went from spot action to 10-12 MPG with Taylor and Juan picking up the rest. And next year's class had better be ready to go the minute they step on campus.
I'd love to see a few cubillan-type games out of Jake this year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 07:34:45 AM
Posted on this in the other thread, but I think Todd will be back for the Big East season. Maybe not the UConn game, but by the middle of January I expect to see him out there. I hope he makes it through and continues on at Marquette, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he looked at getting paid for basketball after this year, especially if he can have a Dion Waiters-type impact (12-14 ppg, 2-3 apg, 2-3 rpg) off the bench. I realize he won't be a lottery pick like Waiters was, but he could get a shot in the league, and if not definitely in the D-League or in Europe.
Todd Mayo is light years away from being an NBA player.
And that's probably understating it.
Quote from: MU82 on November 06, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
Todd Mayo is light years away from being an NBA player.
And that's probably understating it.
Didn't say he was there yet. Said it wouldn't surprise me if he looked at getting paid for basketball. Getting drafted isn't impossible. Getting paid in the D-League or overseas is virtually guaranteed.
How I'd like it to play out.
MILWAUKEE, WI - January 1, 2013, -- Tonight when the Marquette Warriors take the floor for their Big East opener against the UConn Huskies they'll be missing one familiar face and welcoming back another one.
The Warriors will look to defend Al McGuire Court at the Bradley Center without the familiar and quixotic presence of Head Coach Buzz Williams who is serving a one game suspension but will once again have the springy presence of Sophomore Guard Todd Mayo.
Williams said that Mayo, who sat out the first semester after being ruled academically ineligible, took stock of himself and his academics during his time away from the team.
"It speaks to Todd's character that he delivered a grade point average that many people would have thought possible. In the 100 days he was away from our team he took 12 tests, wrote 4 papers and bought apples for all his professors..." Something about 'character revealed.
Pipe dream but a fella can hope right?
MU was going to be a far different team this year even before Todd's ineligibility. Last two season, people marveled at how fast MU played. Now with the loss of DJO, Jae and ( for now ) Todd with the addition of Trent, Steve and Jake, this team has a far different look. Offensively, we'll probably see a lot of zones as perimeter shooting will be challenged. Defensively, Vander and Todd were kind of interchangeable. If Vander gets into foul trouble, will MU go to a zone? Did see some zone at the Fish Fry scrimmage. In any event, this team will have a far different feel than Buzz's prior teams.
Quote from: Nukem2 on November 06, 2012, 10:21:53 AM
MU was going to be a far different team this year even before Todd's ineligibility. Last two season, people marveled at how fast MU played. Now with the loss of DJO, Jae and ( for now ) Todd with the addition of Trent, Steve and Jake, this team has a far different look. Offensively, we'll probably see a lot of zones as perimeter shooting will be challenged. Defensively, Vander and Todd were kind of interchangeable. If Vander gets into foul trouble, will MU go to a zone? Did see some zone at the Fish Fry scrimmage. In any event, this team will have a far different feel than Buzz's prior teams.
In the latest MJS article, Buzz stated he wanted to play at about the same pace as last year but wanted to get more efficient. I think last year's "style" is a very good model of how Buzz wants his teams to play and how he will build them going forward.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 06, 2012, 10:24:40 AM
In the latest MJS article, Buzz stated he wanted to play at about the same pace as last year but wanted to get more efficient. I think last year's "style" is a very good model of how Buzz wants his teams to play and how he will build them going forward.
Agreed. But personnel may force Buzz to adapt for this season. This team could be more inside-oriented...?
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 10:14:33 AM
Didn't say he was there yet. Said it wouldn't surprise me if he looked at getting paid for basketball. Getting drafted isn't impossible. Getting paid in the D-League or overseas is virtually guaranteed.
DJO was one of the more productive players in recent MU history and he was barely drafted. Todd Mayo getting drafted
is impossible.
Of course I agree he almost surely could get paid overseas, and that might be the best thing for him.
Quote from: MU82 on November 06, 2012, 10:34:57 AM
DJO was one of the more productive players in recent MU history and he was barely drafted. Todd Mayo getting drafted is impossible.
Of course I agree he almost surely could get paid overseas, and that might be the best thing for him.
Productivity only means so much to a league that drafts so often on frame and potential. Mayo is 2 inches taller than DJO and would come in about a half-year younger if he came in after this year. Todd is also a better defender and I'd be shocked if he didn't have a proportionally longer wingspan as well. Name recognition also plays in his favor.
Likely? Probably not. But far from impossible, especially with the reputation Marquette has for putting unsung guys in the league of late.
Assuming Mayo dropped below 12 credits for the semester, he will not be back this year. He did not take extra credits during the summer, so he had no margin for error.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 10:46:52 AM
Productivity only means so much to a league that drafts so often on frame and potential. Mayo is 2 inches taller than DJO and would come in about a half-year younger if he came in after this year. Todd is also a better defender and I'd be shocked if he didn't have a proportionally longer wingspan as well. Name recognition also plays in his favor.
Likely? Probably not. But far from impossible, especially with the reputation Marquette has for putting unsung guys in the league of late.
OK. We'll disagree on this and find out who's right down the line. If I had Mitt's bank accounts, I'd offer to make a 10k bet, but I don't!! Cheers.
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 06, 2012, 06:08:13 AM
Bummer for Todd. Would love to see him get his act together and return. Have to admit, this a bit of a head scratcher, with Todd's comments to Hunt last month, and also knowing that MU has a department full of tutors dedicated in whole to athletes. Hopefully Todd steps up, and learns from what could be just a minor setback in the big picture.
I'm curious about the timeline. Sounds like the ineligibility was something that was on the horizon for awhile, as opposed to being related to anything that happened this school year in the first semester. If that is the case, Mayo has some cajones to come back, knowing that this was coming and being remorseful about last season as conveyed to Hunt in the recent interview. I respect the guy to come back to an anticipated tough situation to try to work it out rather than bail altogether.
In other words, I find it less of a head scratcher and more of a confirmation that the time off this summer was the first step in a 180 turnaround for Mayo. Second step is to focus on getting his academics in order this semester so he can return to Big East play this season.
Quote from: bilsu on November 06, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
Assuming Mayo dropped below 12 credits for the semester, he will not be back this year. He did not take extra credits during the summer, so he had no margin for error.
So if that's the case, why can't he be reinstated simply by enrolling for 12 (or 15 or whatever) credits in spring?
Quote from: MU82 on November 06, 2012, 10:52:59 AM
OK. We'll disagree on this and find out who's right down the line. If I had Mitt's bank accounts, I'd offer to make a 10k bet, but I don't!! Cheers.
I wouldn't take that bet even with Mitten's bank account...so you have the edge ;D
I just hope it all works out for Todd.
Quote from: bilsu on November 06, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
Assuming Mayo dropped below 12 credits for the semester, he will not be back this year. He did not take extra credits during the summer, so he had no margin for error.
When I was at MU, I took a course during the semester break - I think they called it the intersession - where I went for several hours a day for two or three weeks straight and I got three credit hours for it.
When I was at Marquette that session was called intercourse.
Little Murs
I took those XMas break classes for 5 years straight. No way I graduate without them.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 06, 2012, 03:13:00 PM
When I was at Marquette that session was called intercourse.
You're dating yourself 4ever... it's been a long, long time since any college student called it intercourse.
Quote from: MU82 on November 06, 2012, 10:34:57 AM
DJO was one of the more productive players in recent MU history and he was barely drafted. Todd Mayo getting drafted is impossible.
Of course I agree he almost surely could get paid overseas, and that might be the best thing for him.
Todd Mayo plays with a much greater tempo, and rhythm than DJO ever will be able to play with. DJO's body control isn't nearly what Mayo's is. Todd gets more lift on his jumper, and is a far better shooter off the bounce than is DJO. Mayo is a smooth player - DJO - quite herky jerky. Todd won't ever have DJO's physical strength, but he'll play much more fluidly. Go back to the Wisconsin game and Bo Ryan went through multiple defenders trying to get the right/best defender on Mayo.
Todd has a ton of potential, though he is fairly old for his class year - think he was poised to have a BIG year this year. He definitely was MU's best looking freshman since Dominic James freshman year...
Todd is also a MUCH better ball handler than DJO, so he could play point if necessary. Regardless, if he decides to leave MU early, he will have to go to Europe or the D-League and work hard to get to the NBA.
He'd better not spend too much time in the D-League. There have been a few exceptions, but not too many 26-year-old rookies make it in the NBA.
I wish I saw as much potential in Mayo as Ners does. What I saw from Mayo was a kid who caught lightning in a bottle when he was a newcomer but who was clearly overwhelmed in the second half of the schedule. Even had none of this happened, I would have given him a big "We'll see." But this did happen, and my skepticism about him only grows. One needs more than skill. One needs to mature and be a team player.
Quote from: MU82 on November 07, 2012, 01:26:37 AMOne needs more than skill. One needs to mature and be a team player.
To succeed and have a long career, you're right. To get a shot in the NBA, skill and upside are enough.
Quote from: nycwarrior on November 06, 2012, 10:14:48 AM
How I'd like it to play out.
MILWAUKEE, WI - January 1, 2013, -- Tonight when the Marquette Warriors take the floor for their Big East opener against the UConn Huskies they'll be missing one familiar face and welcoming back another one.
The Warriors will look to defend Al McGuire Court at the Bradley Center without the familiar and quixotic presence of Head Coach Buzz Williams who is serving a one game suspension but will once again have the springy presence of Sophomore Guard Todd Mayo.
Williams said that Mayo, who sat out the first semester after being ruled academically ineligible, took stock of himself and his academics during his time away from the team.
"It speaks to Todd's character that he delivered a grade point average that many people would have thought possible. In the 100 days he was away from our team he took 12 tests, wrote 4 papers and bought apples for all his professors..." Something about 'character revealed.
Pipe dream but a fella can hope right?
I agree. Many students have academic problems, but the ones with character and determination overcome them. I'm hoping Todd has lots of both. Candidly less for basketball than for his own future. If he doesn't make the NBA and he buckles down, he has a Marquette degree and that's worth something. It truly is. The scary thing is that if he squanders his opportunity -- and I'm optimistic he doesn't -- you wonder how many young men and women would kill for the opportunity to attend Marquette and be graduated as a Warrior/Golden Eagle.
Hang in there Todd. Show us what you're really made of.