From his Twitter feed:
Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247
Tide changed w Jajuan Johnson. Marquette overtook Alabama after Johnson's visit. Expected 2 pick Marquette.
Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247
A tough minded, bouncy and wiry two guard, Johnson can create buckets and defend. Fits the mold of successful guards at Marquette.
Hopefully this guy knows what he's talking about...
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on November 01, 2012, 12:04:22 PM
Hopefully this guy knows what he's talking about...
Pardon my ignorance, but who is he? I see that he is a Rivals recruiting analyst. Does he hold any sort of reputation in the college basketball world?
Quote from: MURFC on November 01, 2012, 12:12:57 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but who is he? I see that he is a Rivals recruiting analyst. Does he hold any sort of reputation in the college basketball world?
For 247.
Yeah, he's definitely out and about.
Another successful Scoop tweeting/sign making campaign!
Quote from: Bocephys on November 01, 2012, 12:28:35 PM
Another successful Scoop tweeting/sign making campaign!
Let's hope this guy isn't just blowing smoke.
Jerry is from Tennessee (as is JJJ), was an assistant at Vandy, was the top recruiting guru at Rivals...he is with 247 now. Very solid. Buzz won the mom.
Man, I'm concerned now for Kenosha Warriors' well-being. He's down at Potawatomi as we type mortgaging the crib on Johnson signin' with the Tide. Anyone got his cell number?
If true you have to like the chances of landing Embiid as well. Pretty unbalanced class sizes but that could be the 2nd or 3rd best class in the country.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 01, 2012, 12:51:51 PM
If true you have to like the chances of landing Embiid as well. Pretty unbalanced class sizes but that could be the 2nd or 3rd best class in the country.
I would like to agree with you, but am struggling to understand how the Johnson commitmment helps sway Embiid this weekend.
Sure, surrounding yourself with talented potential teammates is big, but I would think Joel is most concerned with who can develop his game the best.
Having Jameel and JoJo running with this slew of guards we have, gives a whole different meaning to 40 minutes of hell.
Me likey.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 01, 2012, 12:51:51 PM
If true you have to like the chances of landing Embiid as well. Pretty unbalanced class sizes but that could be the 2nd or 3rd best class in the country.
IF we land Johnson and Embiid that put's us two behind on the schollie table. If we get Embiid that likely means CO is not coming back for his 6th year and that would leave one other person to leave, transfer, go pro early, a decommit, etc. Not against this at all, but yet more for the Buzz cut crowd to bemoan and more speculation that will fill this board over the next year.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 01, 2012, 12:51:51 PM
If true you have to like the chances of landing Embiid as well. Pretty unbalanced class sizes but that could be the 2nd or 3rd best class in the country.
Yeah, I remember how when the Fab Five came to Michigan everyone worried/bitched about the unbalanced class size. Sheesh.
Quote from: Wade for President on November 01, 2012, 12:58:03 PM
I would like to agree with you, but am struggle to understand how the Johnson commitmment helps sway Embiid this weekend.
Sure, surrounding yourself with talented potential teammates is big, but I would think Joel is most concerned with who can develop his game the best.
Having Jameel and JoJo running with this slew of guards we have, gives a whole different meaning to 40 minutes of hell.
Me likey.
Agreed.
Given that Embiid's top suitors also include Kansas and Florida, it's a good bet that he'll be surrounded by top talent wherever he goes.
When is Embiid supposed to make a decision?
Quote from: mu03eng on November 01, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
IF we land Johnson and Embiid that put's us two behind on the schollie table. If we get Embiid that likely means CO is not coming back for his 6th year and that would leave one other person to leave, transfer, go pro early, a decommit, etc. Not against this at all, but yet more for the Buzz cut crowd to bemoan and more speculation that will fill this board over the next year.
I couldn't care less what other fans have to say. Let me repeat: I could not care less.
Quote from: mu03eng on November 01, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
IF we land Johnson and Embiid that put's us two behind on the schollie table. If we get Embiid that likely means CO is not coming back for his 6th year and that would leave one other person to leave, transfer, go pro early, a decommit, etc. Not against this at all, but yet more for the Buzz cut crowd to bemoan and more speculation that will fill this board over the next year.
Quote from: Groin_pull on November 01, 2012, 01:08:19 PM
I couldn't care less what other fans have to say. Let me repeat: I could not care less.
+1. Why start hand wringing over potential future hand wringing by others?
Quote from: mu03eng on November 01, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
IF we land Johnson and Embiid that put's us two behind on the schollie table. If we get Embiid that likely means CO is not coming back for his 6th year and that would leave one other person to leave, transfer, go pro early, a decommit, etc. Not against this at all, but yet more for the Buzz cut crowd to bemoan and more speculation that will fill this board over the next year.
JJJ has said he will verbal and not sign till Spring. Otule's schollie is not officially taken by him till he appeals and wins. MU can legally oversign one now. So Buzz must know something internally. There could be a world of possibilities like a millionaire NBA brother or sponsor picking up a tab. May not be likely, but possible, and I am sure all will be speculated on. I doubt Fr. Pilarz and LW would allow anything else but "on the up and up".
Not to add fuel to the fire, but CTC has two overcommits already for next season and is working on his third with BeeJay Anya.
Quote from: Groin_pull on November 01, 2012, 01:08:19 PM
I couldn't care less what other fans have to say. Let me repeat: I could not care less.
Exactly! You have a chance to bring in two elite level players, one being at a position we have historically lacked at, and you do it without hesitation. Vadger fans will of COURSE play holier than thou about it, but that's because they will know they are about to get rocked year in and year out by a budding national juggernaut. This could be a MAJOR weekend in the history of the MU program. And yes I got chills typing those last two sentences.
Sign the best guys possible and then figure it out.
Quote from: Jamailman on November 01, 2012, 01:19:17 PM
Exactly! You have a chance to bring in two elite level players, one being at a position we have historically lacked at, and you do it without hesitation. Vadger fans will of COURSE play holier than thou about it, but that's because they will know they are about to get rocked year in and year out by a budding national juggernaut. This could be a MAJOR weekend in the history of the MU program. And yes I got chills typing those last two sentences.
Once again, who cares? UW-Madison fans have plenty of their own problems to worry about.
Quote from: mu03eng on November 01, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
IF we land Johnson and Embiid that put's us two behind on the schollie table. If we get Embiid that likely means CO is not coming back for his 6th year
I would not necessarily jump to that conclusion.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 01, 2012, 12:42:51 PM
Man, I'm concerned now for Kenosha Warriors' well-being. He's down at Potawatomi as we type mortgaging the crib on Johnson signin' with the Tide. Anyone got his cell number?
Yeah, but it's a crib in Kenosha. I'm sure if we get each Scooper to throw in a buck or two, it can be replaced.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on November 01, 2012, 01:08:14 PM
When is Embiid supposed to make a decision?
I'm not completely sure, but I thought I had read that unless MU absolutely blows him away, he will commit in a few weeks.
Could not agree more about getting the best players and figuring it out later. With that though comes the loser MU fans who will email LW and say, "Clean up the program! I can't have my badger co-workers harassing me about MU being oversigned."
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 01, 2012, 01:28:31 PM
I would not necessarily jump to that conclusion.
My guess would be that Dawson doesn't make it to campus.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 01, 2012, 01:00:44 PM
Yeah, I remember how when the Fab Five came to Michigan everyone worried/bitched about the unbalanced class size. Sheesh.
Great comparison Lenny, well thought out. Chris Webber was ranked #1, Juwan Howard was ranked #3, Jalen Rose was ranked #6, Jimmy King was ranked #9. Not bitching, just saying.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 01, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Great comparison Lenny, well thought out. Chris Webber was ranked #1, Juwan Howard was ranked #3, Jalen Rose was ranked #6, Jimmy King was ranked #9. Not bitching, just saying.
No love for Ray Jackson?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 01, 2012, 01:00:44 PM
Yeah, I remember how when the Fab Five came to Michigan everyone worried/bitched about the unbalanced class size. Sheesh.
Agree it's not a big deal, aside from being cute balanced classes do nothing but signal impending imbalance. It would be five freshmen, with maybe 1% odds of all five being at MU for exactly four years. Eventually you'll have a transfer, early entrant, or injury redshirt and it's moot.
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on November 01, 2012, 01:41:34 PM
My guess would be that Dawson doesn't make it to campus.
Or someone else doesn't make it to campus. Or someone goes pro. Or someone transfers. Or Otule doesn't come back. Or Buzz adopts someone. About 7 months away for speculation on names to have any meaning. There isn't anyone 100% back next year or 100% leaving aside from Cadougan and Lockett.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on November 01, 2012, 01:08:14 PMWhen is Embiid supposed to make a decision?
Embiid has said he wants to sign in the early signing period. The early period runs from November 14 to November 21. So at the latest, he will decide by November 21.
If we can get Johnson, we take him. No questions asked. Johnson is a consensus top-100 recruit and would give us (as of right now) three RSCI top-60 players. As we have learned in recent years, some guys never make it to campus. Some guys transfer. Some guys (not here, but maybe next year) declare early for the draft. Some guys (again, not here, but not impossible) manage to pay their own way. We should take Johnson and if we can get Embiid, we take him too. Here's a look at the 2013 scholarship table:
Freshmen: Deonte Burton, Duane Wilson, John Dawson
Sophomores: Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson
Juniors: Jameel McKay, Derrick Wilson, Juan Anderson, Todd Mayo
Seniors: Davante Gardner, Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson
That leaves one opening, with Otule, Johnson, and Embiid all potentially in the fold. As we've seen in recent years, someone will likely transfer. A studly season from Jamil, Todd (especially considering his age), or Vander could see them test the NBA waters. I'm sure that Buzz already has a decent idea on how things are going to go. That's why he's continuing to recruit both of these guys. Because he knows more than we do.
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on November 01, 2012, 01:41:34 PM
My guess would be that Dawson doesn't make it to campus.
Let the kid sign his LOI before you throw him under the bus, okay?
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 01, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
Let the kid sign his LOI before you throw him under the bus, okay?
Ha how did I throw him under the bus?? I'm just speculating, the same way everyone else does around here. I hope Dawson makes it MU and is a great player, I just wouldn't be surprised if he never made it to MU.
I rest my case with the last 10 posts in this thread, we have 7 months to decide and what I think will be an incredible MU season to play and we're already speculating as to who won't be here.
I agree you bring in the best talent and let 'em fight it out. I'm all for it. However, the perception is probably not one that sits well with the current administration. Just provides an opportunity for yet more friction.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 01, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Great comparison Lenny, well thought out. Chris Webber was ranked #1, Juwan Howard was ranked #3, Jalen Rose was ranked #6, Jimmy King was ranked #9. Not bitching, just saying.
The point wasn't that these guys were ranked as high as the Fab 5. The point was that when you can get an elite class (and for us, this would be), only a true curmudgeon would complain that it makes us unbalanced.
Quote from: mu03eng on November 01, 2012, 02:20:40 PM
I rest my case with the last 10 posts in this thread, we have 7 months to decide and what I think will be an incredible MU season to play and we're already speculating as to who won't be here.
I agree you bring in the best talent and let 'em fight it out. I'm all for it. However, the perception is probably not one that sits well with the current administration. Just provides an opportunity for yet more friction.
I am 100% sure that Buzz is doing this completely with his bosses backing.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 01, 2012, 02:28:52 PM
The point wasn't that these guys were ranked as high as the Fab 5. The point was that when you can get an elite class (and for us, this would be), only a true curmudgeon would complain that it makes us unbalanced.
Hey d*pshit, I'm not complaining...and it's exactly the point, no one expected to Weber or Howard to stay more than a year.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 01, 2012, 12:42:51 PM
Man, I'm concerned now for Kenosha Warriors' well-being. He's down at Potawatomi as we type mortgaging the crib on Johnson signin' with the Tide. Anyone got his cell number?
Dude if this is true Im really happy about this but from what everyone said in regards to his visit it did not sound like he had a good time. Thank goodness that was incorrect.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 01, 2012, 02:37:12 PM
Hey d*pcrap, I'm not complaining...and it's exactly the point, no one expected to Weber or Howard to stay more than a year.
Actually, that isn't entirely true. Underclassmen leaving early for the draft was a relatively new idea in the early 90s. Most of the talk was that they would be together for four years.
As it was, Webber left after two years. Howard and Rose after three.
Quote from: Groin_pull on November 01, 2012, 01:08:19 PM
I couldn't care less what other fans have to say. Let me repeat: I could not care less.
agree!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 01, 2012, 01:16:46 PM
JJJ has said he will verbal and not sign till Spring. Otule's schollie is not officially taken by him till he appeals and wins. MU can legally oversign one now. So Buzz must know something internally. There could be a world of possibilities like a millionaire NBA brother or sponsor picking up a tab. May not be likely, but possible, and I am sure all will be speculated on. I doubt Fr. Pilarz and LW would allow anything else but "on the up and up".
Not to add fuel to the fire, but CTC has two overcommits already for next season and is working on his third with BeeJay Anya.
I was asked on PM who CTC is...that would be Coach Tom Crean as the Hoosier base affectionately calls their fearless leader. And I will note that I am a little behind and CTC has moved on from BeeJay Anya to Noah Vonleh in the last day. Plenty of room in Bloomington.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=170&f=2353&t=10280042
CTC will find a way to soil his undergarment, one way or another.
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on November 01, 2012, 01:41:34 PM
My guess would be that Dawson doesn't make it to campus.
Buzz made several trips to New Mexico to recruit him, so I expect him to be here. I do not expect Blue to be here next year.
We are all guesses who gets voted off the island for make room for the new recruits. Why is it a starter that leaves (Blue, Otule). Why not a non-starter like SW, JA or JF?
See I can make up stuff too!
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 01, 2012, 02:37:12 PM
Hey d*pcrap, I'm not complaining...and it's exactly the point, no one expected to Weber or Howard to stay more than a year.
Really? No one? And yet Weber stayed two years and Howard three. Well, maybe no one you knew.
I definitely do not expect to see Blue here next year.
Quote from: Goose on November 01, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
I definitely do not expect to see Blue here next year.
Why?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 01, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
Why?
Maybe he's leaving with Buzz?
Buzz sure is recruiting a good class for the next coach.
I have heard that Blue wants to play professionally after this season.
Quote from: Goose on November 01, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
I have heard that Blue wants to play professionally after this season.
We talkin' NBA here, or "anywhere that'll pay him to play"?
Quote from: Goose on November 01, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
I have heard that Blue wants to play professionally after this season.
In the association? Unless he has a breakout season, he's not getting drafted.
Quote from: Goose on November 01, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
I have heard that Blue wants to play professionally after this season.
I think all Buzz would need to do is show him this: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-25/news/chi-exillini-standout-jereme-richmond-violates-probation-sent-back-to-jail-20121025_1_jereme-richmond-probation-guilty-plea
Then he needs a bust out season.
So let's hope he has a season so incredible that he can leave early.
Quote from: Goose on November 01, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
I have heard that Blue wants to play professionally after this season.
Goose I'm still waiting for your Hiroshima prediction to come true. Instead we got the opposite as we are on the verge of the greatest recruiting class in MU history.
Since Hiroshima was 180 degrees wrong, should I bet that Blue leaving early is also 180 degrees wrong?
Of course he would need to have breakout year to play next level. Not looking to have if VB is NBA worthy or Ukraine worthy debate. Just saying he has high interest in getting paid to play ball and very likely be gone after this season.
AnotherMU84---For 1000 time I was not believer in Hiroshima---wrong guy!!! I agree greatest recruiting class is close to happening and I am off the charts excited by it. My Vander comment was based off one guy that might not be back. Honestly most of you would not care if he was gone as 99% of posters are anti VB. I would think my post would be great news for most.
It kind of shows the way the field is tilted - JaJuan would give MU 3 of the top 63 prospects, and we're estatic - Ky has 3 of the top SIX (so far).
Consideration of such matters does nothing to cause my loathing of Calipari to diminish.
Quote from: Goose on November 01, 2012, 03:37:01 PM
My Vander comment was based off one guy that might not be back. Honestly most of you would not care if he was gone as 99% of posters are anti VB. I would think my post would be great news for most.
Not me, I was VERY vocal in getting rid of Warrior65.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 01, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
Since Hiroshima was 180 degrees wrong,
That isn't entirely true by the way Hiroshima was actually defined.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 01, 2012, 04:44:00 PM
That isn't entirely true by the way Hiroshima was actually defined.
There was a definition?
If it was something along the lines of "academic standards will increase slightly in future years" can we officially name Hiroshima the most hyperbolic label ever?
Quote from: Pakuni on November 01, 2012, 04:49:17 PM
There was a definition?
If it was something along the lines of "academic standards will increase slightly in future years" can we officially name Hiroshima the most hyperbolic label ever?
No...it was academic standards increasing in future years and applying to the current players would have caused Hiroshima on this board.
Is there any reason Johnson would verbal but wait to sign other than because MU has asked him to do so in order to sign Embiid? I get that LOI's are a one way street, so it might be wise for players to go this route, but is it at all common for them to do so, or is it a strong signal of more positive things to come for MU recruiting???
Quote from: avid1010 on November 01, 2012, 05:41:59 PM
Is there any reason Johnson would verbal but wait to sign other than because MU has asked him to do so in order to sign Embiid? I get that LOI's are a one way street, so it might be wise for players to go this route, but is it at all common for them to do so, or is it a strong signal of more positive things to come for MU recruiting???
I'd suspect it has more to do with evaluating the landscape of potential playing time at Marquette next year to see if any players leave, declare for the draft, etc...
Quote from: avid1010 on November 01, 2012, 05:41:59 PM
Is there any reason Johnson would verbal but wait to sign other than because MU has asked him to do so in order to sign Embiid? I get that LOI's are a one way street, so it might be wise for players to go this route, but is it at all common for them to do so, or is it a strong signal of more positive things to come for MU recruiting???
When explaining why he would verbally commit in the fall but not sign, Johnson said that while he's visited the schools, he wants to watch them play to see how he'd fit in with each team's style.
For a wing player, you've got to believe that works in MU's favor.
i read that a few days back as well, but i've never heard of a kid going this route before (which doesn't mean much)...that's why i'm interested to understand if it's something that is at all common place in college basketball/.
he can't come out and say that he's going to verbal but wait to sign because mu is likely signing one of the best big-men in the nation, and then player XXXXX won't be with the program any longer. so if verbaling, but not signing, is very rare...it makes me feel really good about our chances with embiid...if it's somewhat common, then i'm less hopeful about our chances to land embiid.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 01, 2012, 03:16:40 PM
Maybe he's leaving with Buzz?
Buzz sure is recruiting a good class for the next coach.
If we end up with Johnson then I would really be suprised if Buzz leaves. The staff is working their tail off. Things would have to really suck
for him to walk away from this 2013 group. If we land Johnson then I really think Buzz is hanging around.
Agree, 79.
If we do land Johnson, that's solid evidence of Isaac Chew already paying off.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 01, 2012, 07:56:59 PM
If we end up with Johnson then I would really be suprised if Buzz leaves. The staff is working their tail off. Things would have to really suck
for him to walk away from this 2013 group. If we land Johnson then I really think Buzz is hanging around.
I was thinking the same, and am hoping we get Johnson about as much for that reason as much as what he would bring on the court.
Brew, was Chew on JJJ?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 01, 2012, 04:58:46 PM
No...it was academic standards increasing in future years and applying to the current players would have caused Hiroshima on this board.
Not quite right. It was the reaction of the board after posters found out that MU raised the standards above the NCAA minimums under the direction of Pilarz and LW in an order to make MU like SLU. They would also then apply those standards against the current roster in order to clean house and run Buzz off.
Hiroshima never happened because the NCAA raised the academic standards and MU matched those standards.
Quote from: BallBoy on November 01, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
Not quite right. It was the reaction of the board after posters found out that MU raised the standards above the NCAA minimums under the direction of Pilarz and LW in an order to make MU like SLU. They would also then apply those standards against the current roster in order to clean house and run Buzz off.
Hiroshima never happened because the NCAA raised the academic standards and MU matched those standards.
That's not true. MU's standards for continuation exceed the NCAA's as well as their standards for admission for certain students.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 01, 2012, 09:08:07 PM
That's not true. MU's standards for continuation exceed the NCAA's as well as their standards for admission for certain students.
What students are considered "certain students"?
So let me get this straight. The word is that we are probably getting another 4 star player and the board is going Ape crap because we are worried what Badger fans might think? Sounds like we have a good problem to have
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 01, 2012, 09:08:07 PM
That's not true. MU's standards for continuation exceed the NCAA's as well as their standards for admission for certain students.
Sorry I thought since I mentioned that the intent for change was to impact the basketball team that meant I was not referring to the general population but the basketball team.
I hope the "Jae" effect will be a positive factor!
Quote from: BallBoy on November 01, 2012, 09:21:04 PM
Sorry I thought since I mentioned that the intent for change was to impact the basketball team that meant I was not referring to the general population but the basketball team.
So am I. The basketball teams standards for continuation are higher than the NCAA requirements...and so are the admission standards for some student athletes.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on November 01, 2012, 09:19:23 PM
So let me get this straight. The word is that we are probably getting another 4 star player and the board is going Ape crap because we are worried what Badger fans might think? Sounds like we have a good problem to have
Way to make s$%t up. No one is worried about the Badger fans, Tom Smykowski.
Quote from: mu03eng on November 02, 2012, 08:07:55 AM
Way to make s$%t up. No one is worried about the Badger fans, Tom Smykowski.
+1
NO ONE cares what badger fans think.
Buzz is bringing in up to four players for the 1-3 positions. There are only two (1-3's) scheduled to graduate. It seems obvious to me that Buzz expects someone else to leave who plays 1-3 postions. I think Blue wants to be done and the better the year he has the more likely he is gone. One has to question whether Mayo comes back. I would love to get Johnson and Embiid. It would not surprise me to see Otule on next year's team, even if we got Johnson and Embiid.
There is no way Blue leaves after this season... Mayo on the other hand, might have reason to leave. After this season, its really now or never time in terms of his NBA prospects and he seemed to be on the fence as to whether to come back this season. If he knows that he has no shot at the Association, I can see Mayo just wanting to get paid somewhere.
I'm thinkin' 'bout declarin' early too.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 02, 2012, 09:26:11 AM
I'm thinkin' 'bout declarin' early too.
Best that you stay in school and work on those linguistic skills.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on November 02, 2012, 09:23:05 AM
There is no way Blue leaves after this season... Mayo on the other hand, might have reason to leave. After this season, its really now or never time in terms of his NBA prospects and he seemed to be on the fence as to whether to come back this season. If he knows that he has no shot at the Association, I can see Mayo just wanting to get paid somewhere.
I can see circumstances where they both leave. Blue has an NBA body and NBA athleticism. If he shows any signs of shot improvement, he clearly could be a draftable player.
Blue is currently ranked 40th among JRs on NBA Draft Express, and not in the top 100 prospects. He'd really have to blow people out of the water this year to think he'd have a shot at the first round.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on November 02, 2012, 09:32:20 AM
Blue is currently ranked 40th among JRs on NBA Draft Express, and not in the top 100 prospects. He'd really have to blow people out of the water this year to think he'd have a shot at the first round.
I would be pretty upset if my GM even considered drafting Blue.
The Chances that Blue gets Drafted First round are 1000:1 I doubt any GM would take a chance on guard with a broke shot regardless of his athletic ability.
I do Agree with AWegz that Mayo is more likely to want to get paid as it doesn't seem like he values education given his history.
Johnson to announce at 12pm EST today.
First off, I didn't say "first round." Second, I pretty much qualified my answer by saying that he would need to show signs of shot improvement.
Look, he could very well turn into a Jared Cunningham-type player. I really don't think many Oregon State fans thought before last year that he would be a draftable player - and he ended up in the first round. Read his scouting report and it isn't much of a stretch to view Blue in the same light.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jared-Cunningham-6484/
And read this thread on the Scout board...they felt he made a terrible descison
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=182&f=1708&t=8891567
"Personally? he goes undrafted. athletic, high jumping 6-3 players are a dime a dozen... and most of them actually played PG in college. He does not have the passing, the ball handling or the outside shot needed."
"Any agent looking to make a quick buck by pumping sunshine. It's easy when a kid has dreamt his whole life about the possibility of playing pro ball and has probably had people in his inner circle since age 12 telling him he is good enough."
"I think he will end up in the NBADL next year."
Look, I don't fully think you realize how much NBA GMs draft on potential. And Blue has a bunch of it. More than Mayo does. I don't see it as a stretch at all to think that WITH A GOOD YEAR, that he could be drafted next year.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 02, 2012, 09:28:11 AM
I can see circumstances where they both leave. Blue has an NBA body and NBA athleticism. If he shows any signs of shot improvement, he clearly could be a draftable player.
Exactly. Don't sell these kids short because they haven't yet fulfilled your expectations or their potential. Kids grow, mature, improve, etc.
If your toddler isn't reading Goodnight Moon by himself by 4 years old, do you close down the 529 and buy him a mop & bucket? If MUScoop was a perfect sample of the population, we'd be the dumbest - though cleanest - nation on the planet.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 02, 2012, 09:44:07 AMLook, I don't fully think you realize how much NBA GMs draft on potential. And Blue has a bunch of it. More than Mayo does. I don't see it as a stretch at all to think that WITH A GOOD YEAR, that he could be drafted next year.
In addition, Blue is young for his class. We see Vander Blue, Marquette junior, NBA GMs will see a guy that is still 20 years old on draft night with a ton of experience. Contrast that to a less experienced and 22-year-old Todd Mayo (if they both declared for 2013) and there are definitely some factors in Blue's favor.
Not certain either would get drafted, but with a good year, either of them could, even if in the second round.
Quote from: nyg on November 02, 2012, 09:40:47 AM
Johnson to announce at 12pm EST today.
Not sure where you got that from...Juan tweeted yesterday evening that he's announcing at 1pm...I'd guess Central time since he's in Memphis.
https://twitter.com/chosenJAUN/status/264156352945983489
Quote from: Benny B on November 02, 2012, 09:47:03 AM
If your toddler isn't reading Goodnight Moon by himself by 4 years old, do you close down the 529 and buy him a mop & bucket?
Yes
hmm...I think you guys are saying the same thing :)
Quote from: foreverwarriors on November 02, 2012, 10:07:53 AM
Not sure where you got that from...Juan tweeted yesterday evening that he's announcing at 1pm...I'd guess Central time since he's in Memphis.
https://twitter.com/chosenJAUN/status/264156352945983489
Quote from: ceh on November 02, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
hmm...I think you guys are saying the same thing :)
1 pm Central is 2 pm Eastern, not 12.
All you cats earned an MU degree?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 02, 2012, 10:32:54 AM
All you cats earned an MU degree?
I'm thinking there are a lot of liberal arts guys posting in this thread. (Plus, I hear we're a middle of the road school anyway.)
Quote from: bilsu on November 02, 2012, 08:54:53 AM
Buzz is bringing in up to four players for the 1-3 positions. There are only two (1-3's) scheduled to graduate. It seems obvious to me that Buzz expects someone else to leave who plays 1-3 postions. I think Blue wants to be done and the better the year he has the more likely he is gone. One has to question whether Mayo comes back. I would love to get Johnson and Embiid. It would not surprise me to see Otule on next year's team, even if we got Johnson and Embiid.
I don't think that Dawson would have been recruited if T. J. Taylor hadn't left. I think Dawson got T.J.'s spot.
Quote from: ceh on November 02, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
hmm...I think you guys are saying the same thing :)
*sigh*
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 02, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
I'm thinking there are a lot of liberal arts guys posting in this thread. (Plus, I hear we're a middle of the road school anyway.)
Validated
Be interesting to know if kids typically put in a call to the respective coaches in the hour before the announcement. As a parent, I'd want my son/daughter to make the appropriate telephone calls before the public announcement.
Quote from: Benny B on November 02, 2012, 09:47:03 AM
Exactly. Don't sell these kids short because they haven't yet fulfilled your expectations or their potential. Kids grow, mature, improve, etc.
If your toddler isn't reading Goodnight Moon by himself by 4 years old, do you close down the 529 and buy him a mop & bucket? If MUScoop was a perfect sample of the population, we'd be the dumbest - though cleanest - nation on the planet.
There's a huge difference between saying someone will never make the NBA to saying someone probably won't. We weren't talking about Blue, but rather MU's planning to oversign based on player's leaving for the draft. My parent's never discouraged me from aiming for the NBA, but they also didn't plan their mortgages around it either.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on November 02, 2012, 11:55:36 AM
There's a huge difference between saying someone will never make the NBA to saying someone probably won't. We weren't talking about Blue, but rather MU's planning to oversign based on player's leaving for the draft. My parent's never discouraged me from aiming for the NBA, but they also didn't plan their mortgages around it either.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that your father isn't Tim Maymon.
He will announce at 2:00pm EST at his high school.
Quote from: nyg on November 02, 2012, 12:05:39 PM
He will announce at 2:00pm EST at his high school.
So everybody knows, that's in 50 minutes...
You're Welcome
Quote from: JDuquaine on November 02, 2012, 12:09:59 PM
So everybody knows, that's in 50 minutes...
You're Welcome
on tv?
Quote from: JDuquaine on November 02, 2012, 12:09:59 PM
So everybody knows, that's in 50 minutes...
You're Welcome
Wait...what? Fifty minutes from now is 2:20 EST.
Suspense is building................
Jerry Meyer still sticking with MU
https://twitter.com/jerrymeyer247
any place to listen live?
So this wont be one of those sweet ones where he picks the Hat and shuns Marquette on National TV
Per Jerry he just PICKED MU!!!!!! so many refreshes over the last 15 mins
Well ESPN was certainly quick to update their top 100. Johnson already listed as an MU commit.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 02, 2012, 10:32:54 AM
All you cats earned an MU degree?
Well no..... But after eight years I am happy to report my degree is in sight! ;D