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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Wade-A-Minute on July 10, 2007, 12:03:10 PM
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The competition keeps getting tougher. It would really stink if NC wins out after getting involved at the last minute. Good luck TC.
It is now official--the University of North Carolina has now officially become a player in the recruitment of 6'4 guard Iman Shumpert from Oak Park High School in Oak Park, IL, as they have extended a scholarship offer. Tarheel head coach Roy Williams followed Shumpert extensively throughout the Lebron James Skills Academy in Akron, OH and made the offer upon the camp's conclusion. In addition to North Carolina, Shumpert still has Illinois, Marquette, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Notre Dame and Bradley at the top of his list and has not yet begun to trim it any further.
Continue to check in with Illinois Prep Bulls-eye for all of the latest as it pertains to recruiting and high school basketball in Illinois
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The Ghost of Bobby Frasor's PT compels you
The Ghost of Bobby Frasor's PT compels you
The Ghost of Bobby Frasor's PT compels you
The Ghost of Bobby Frasor's PT compels you
..........beware over-recruiting on Chapel Hill
Larry Drew, Jr sends his regards to Mr. Shumpert, I'm sure
;D
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Ah crap. I hate UNC.
Anyone know who the backup plan is if Shumpert is no longer an option (other than Crittle)?
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i beleive we are looking for 1 guard with the hope it is Shumpart or Clarke. then either Thomas or crittle ideally as abig.
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i beleive we are looking for 1 guard with the hope it is Shumpart or Clarke. then either Thomas or crittle ideally as abig.
Dont forget Ben-Eze or Sutton as other bigs......Clarke - seems like a long shot. I'd imagine Max Kenyi is the more likely fall-back if Shumpert looks elsewhere.
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i beleive we are looking for 1 guard with the hope it is Shumpart or Clarke. then either Thomas or crittle ideally as abig.
We still don't know if we have 3 ships or 2 ships for next year with Williams already in the fold. We are currently one over the limit for this year with either Trend or Saunders being the odd men out at this point in time. If Trend leaves this year than we will only have 2 ships for next year and it might come down to a big (Crittle or Sutton) or a guard like Shumpert. I really don't see us in the mix with Clarke but who knows.
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Willie Warren out of Texas is right there behind Shumpert
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Is just me of does Rotnei Clarke look funny? Kinda like Wojo or the stereotypical Dookie that is underathletic and can shoot from the outside, huh?
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Willie Warren out of Texas is right there behind Shumpert
that's a pipe dream
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We still don't know if we have 3 ships or 2 ships for next year with Williams already in the fold. We are currently one over the limit for this year with either Trend or Saunders being the odd men out at this point in time. If Trend leaves this year than we will only have 2 ships for next year and it might come down to a big (Crittle or Sutton) or a guard like Shumpert. I really don't see us in the mix with Clarke but who knows.
No matter what happens with Trend this year, right now there are only two scholarships that look available. The 11 others will be taken by:
1. Acker
2. Burke
3. Cubillan
4. Hayward
5. James
6. Matthews
7. McNeal
8. Mbwake
9. Saunders
10. Christopherson
11. Hazel
Of course we don't know if all 4 frosh will all be enrolled, whether James goes to the NBA next season, whether McNeal goes to the NBA, etc.
Lets say that Saunders never arrives, James improves his game and declares for the NBA, McNeal goes the the pre draft camps (without hiring an agent--like James this year) and blows up--MU could be looking at 5 scholarships to give out.
My guess is that if Shumpert, Clarke and Crittle all say they want to come to MU, Crean will gladly accept all three LOIs, despite the fact that right now there are only two scholarships visibly available.
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What are you saying happened to Nick Williams?
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What are you saying happened to Nick Williams?
Who? ;)
Shhhh.. he's a secret.. if we get away with it then he won't count towards a schollie.. don't ruin the plan!
Actually, just check out this handy dandy scholarship table here on muscoop (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8) and all your questions are answered.
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What are you saying happened to Nick Williams?
Who? ;)
Shhhh.. he's a secret.. if we get away with it then he won't count towards a schollie.. don't ruin the plan!
Actually, just check out this handy dandy scholarship table here on muscoop (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8) and all your questions are answered.
Love the table Spiral...any chance that the red and orange can be substituted for a different color...at least one of them. Light green, pink, or even white. It's hard to tell the difference between the orange and red.
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Love the table Spiral...any chance that the red and orange can be substituted for a different color...at least one of them. Light green, pink, or even white. It's hard to tell the difference between the orange and red.
Sure - I've got the spreadsheet version of the table at home. I'll change and update it on here someday soon ;)
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What are you saying happened to Nick Williams?
Who? ;)
Shhhh.. he's a secret.. if we get away with it then he won't count towards a schollie.. don't ruin the plan!
Actually, just check out this handy dandy scholarship table here on muscoop (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8) and all your questions are answered.
Love the table Spiral...any chance that the red and orange can be substituted for a different color...at least one of them. Light green, pink, or even white. It's hard to tell the difference between the orange and red.
While I'd love to take credit, our very own Rocky is responsible for creating it. It's been available almost as long as MUScoop.com itself. You can find it and many other cool things in the features menu to the left. We'll check out the colors!
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What are you saying happened to Nick Williams?
Who? ;)
Shhhh.. he's a secret.. if we get away with it then he won't count towards a schollie.. don't ruin the plan!
Actually, just check out this handy dandy scholarship table here on muscoop (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8) and all your questions are answered.
Love the table Spiral...any chance that the red and orange can be substituted for a different color...at least one of them. Light green, pink, or even white. It's hard to tell the difference between the orange and red.
While I'd love to take credit, our very own Rocky is responsible for creating it. It's been available almost as long as MUScoop.com itself. You can find it and many other cool things in the features menu to the left. We'll check out the colors!
This old man's eyes appreciate it. Thank you
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This old man's eyes appreciate it. Thank you
It's updated with the Orange now being an orange/salmon/pinkish color (much lighter than it used t be). Not perfect, but hopefully better.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
Another question though (for anyone), I added Tony Walls as a walk on for 2008, the wiki seems to indicate he'll be on this years squad, but then his individual wiki page says 2008. What's the correct answer?
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The 5-foot-10 Walls will be attempting a rare double at Marquette when he arrives on campus in the fall of 2008.
.. So it's 2008-09, he'll be a freshman. Wiki is fixed.
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If he's recieving an athletic scholarship for playing soccer I don't see how there's any way he could be walking on for basketball
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Do we have a legitimate number 2 after Shumpert?
I think he's destined for UNC or Clemson and don't want to see MU in the lurch and stretching which will kill us with this class. Williams is a great start but it needs to be filled with quality.
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If he's recieving an athletic scholarship for playing soccer I don't see how there's any way he could be walking on for basketball
Because a basketball schollie doesn't have to be used on him. He already has a full ride for playing soccer so he's walking on to the basketball team.
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I don't believe that is possible, at least as the NCAA heirarchy of scholarships is concerned. If he plays soccer and basketball, then any athletic scholarship automatically is attributed to basketball. That way, schools can't circumvent the scholarship limit by giving full athletic scholarships for basketball "walk-ons." I believe the same is true of football, with football scholies at the top of the heirarchy.
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I don't believe that is possible, at least as the NCAA heirarchy of scholarships is concerned. If he plays soccer and basketball, then any athletic scholarship automatically is attributed to basketball. That way, schools can't circumvent the scholarship limit by giving full athletic scholarships for basketball "walk-ons." I believe the same is true of football, with football scholies at the top of the heirarchy.
Nope. He'll be a scholarship soccer player who will play basketball as a walk-on....just like Marcus West years ago.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=596980
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Illinois is no longer in the running for Oak Park star Iman Shumpert
Taylor Bell checks in as Shumpert cuts his list to five schools...
Oak Park's Iman Shumpert, who is rated among the top 15 high school basketball players in the Class of 2008 by one national scouting service, said Monday that he has narrowed his college choices to five--Bradley, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Marquette and North Carolina.
Shumpert, a 6-4 guard whose talent evaluation has skyrocketed during the spring and summer, rejected scholarship offers from Illinois and Notre Dame. He said he will visit Bradley in early August and may visit North Carolina, which offered a week ago. He hopes to make a decision before classes begin.
Shumpert said he wanted to trim his list at this point as a gesture of respect to all the schools recruiting him, thus giving them an opportunity to shift their focus on other prospects.
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Shumpert said he wanted to trim his list at this point as a gesture of respect to all the schools recruiting him, thus giving them an opportunity to shift their focus on other prospects.
I'll take that as good news. I wish more recruits were straightforward. So we can expect to know his decision in the next month then, at least the wild goose chase won't go on forever
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Illinois is no longer in the running for Oak Park star Iman Shumpert
looks like the pared down list might have been recanted --
http://marquettebasketball.blogspot.com/2007/07/iman-shumpert-trims-list.html
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I'm convinced that's a face saving measure, but who really knows. It actually puts Illinois in a bit of a bind. Here we have a "list" that doesn't have them on it, they lost two studs yesterday making it perhaps even more unlikely another top kid wants to play there but now they are "not off the list"....so does Illinois continue to recruit him hard knowing in the back of their mind they have a very small chance?
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he has narrowed his college choices to five--Bradley, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Marquette and North Carolina.
if he wants to remain somewhat close to home, who else really could the choice be???
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he has narrowed his college choices to five--Bradley, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Marquette and North Carolina.
if he wants to remain somewhat close to home, who else really could the choice be???
Bradley or MU
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if he wants to remain somewhat close to home, who else really could the choice be???
Bradley or MU
Of course, Dunigan said the same thing and committed to Oregon.
Regardless, NFW is Shumpert going to Bradley.
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I don't believe that is possible, at least as the NCAA heirarchy of scholarships is concerned. If he plays soccer and basketball, then any athletic scholarship automatically is attributed to basketball. That way, schools can't circumvent the scholarship limit by giving full athletic scholarships for basketball "walk-ons." I believe the same is true of football, with football scholies at the top of the heirarchy.
Nope. He'll be a scholarship soccer player who will play basketball as a walk-on....just like Marcus West years ago.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=596980
I saw that article too but I knew it had to be wrong, and here it is from the NCAA rulebook:
15.5.8.2 Basketball.
A counter who practices or competes in basketball and one or more other sports (other than football) shall be counted in basketball.
So the only options are that he's getting an academic scholarship and technically walking-on to both sports or he's only playing soccer under an athletic schollie
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That is one of the dumbest rules I've ever heard. If you're going to make the soccer team w/o a doubt and get a butt load of playing time but would be a 10th or 11th possibility for the basketball team, if not lower, there's no way that should be the case where the schollie has to go for basketball. What about if a guy would play football and basketball or plays baseball and basketball at an SEC school where they pride themselves on their baseball teams? Does basketball always take precidence which is what that rule sounds like, herbo?
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What about if a guy would play football and basketball or plays baseball and basketball at an SEC school where they pride themselves on their baseball teams? Does basketball always take precidence which is what that rule sounds like, herbo?
Basketball has priority over everything except football. I don't recall exactly, but the rule was put in place to stop basketball and football teams from not using another scholarship by stashing players in another sports. I think football ends up having priority over everything because that was the sport where the most problems were coming from. So if you are on the football team you can't get a scholarship for another sport, even if it's basketball. You'd have to be using a football schollie.
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so let's start up a "football" team. We could have 40+ walkons to our basketball program getting a free ride to boot. We could then forfeit every football game (or at least play really really badly to minimize injury and reduce tiredness). I am sure some schools would schedule us to get the guaranteed "win". ;)
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and kill the strength of their schedule in the process. :D
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and kill the strength of their schedule in the process. :D
true.. but it might make the difference in them having a winning record (and thus be bowl eligible) or not. Hmm.. I could see a conference of such teams too.. what's the tie-break if both teams forfeit? :D
Further, you could do the sneak attack approach.. take a few years doing it like that and then actually field a real team when no one is looking and go undefeated. The possibilities are endless! 8)
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I don't believe that is possible, at least as the NCAA heirarchy of scholarships is concerned. If he plays soccer and basketball, then any athletic scholarship automatically is attributed to basketball. That way, schools can't circumvent the scholarship limit by giving full athletic scholarships for basketball "walk-ons." I believe the same is true of football, with football scholies at the top of the heirarchy.
Nope. He'll be a scholarship soccer player who will play basketball as a walk-on....just like Marcus West years ago.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=596980
I saw that article too but I knew it had to be wrong, and here it is from the NCAA rulebook:
15.5.8.2 Basketball.
A counter who practices or competes in basketball and one or more other sports (other than football) shall be counted in basketball.
So the only options are that he's getting an academic scholarship and technically walking-on to both sports or he's only playing soccer under an athletic schollie
Thanks, I forgot where I kept my copy of the NCAA rulebook, but then remembered it is right between my copies of the taxonomy and etymology of platypi and portugese for dummies
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The rule was put into place because teams were putting guys on the tennis team that were playing football, or something like that, and never playing/practicing the sport they were on scholarship for. It was probably going on all over the country but I believe the big 12 is the reason why the rule exists.
Theres a lot of weird rules but I believe the Hierarchy goes, Football, Basketball, Ice Hockey, Everything else
Basically those are the revenue sports, in order of revenue, and then non-revenue sports.
There is a caveat where someone can compete for 2 seasons in a non-revenue sport and then after that they can practice with a Revenue sport. However once they play in a single game their scholarship must count towards that revenue sport.
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I'm assuming this rule was put into place because of Marcus West. ;)
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Not that I'm suggesting this as an alternative, but I started thinking about the Crawford situation with the Astros. If an MLB team can pay a kids tuition, who else could pay the bill on his behalf? It seems like there would have to be a rule against boosters simply paying the bill.
What about the head coach? Could he pay a kids' tuition out of his own pocket, then have him walk on?
What about a coach's kid, who presumably would get a scholie as part of the employee benefit package?
What about a coach being appointed guardian?
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What about a coach being appointed guardian?
That would have been HILARIOUS to see when Hubby Bear was at UC!
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77ncaachamps, you're gonna have to change that pic on the bottom of your posts once a new picture of Travis in a Pacers jersey comes out.