We hardly knew ye!
Quote from: Slim on September 08, 2012, 03:34:17 PM
We hardly knew ye!
Did I miss something? Are you talking about Enlund? Is he gone from the J-S?
Christmas came early???
If you're talking about Crean, he now coaches in Bloomington.
If you're talking about Bryce, he's now a physical therapist in Milwaukee.
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 08, 2012, 04:48:13 PM
Did I miss something? Are you talking about Enlund? Is he gone from the J-S?
Per Paint Touches' Twitter, Enlund is no longer on the Marquette beat. Why do I have a feeling Don Walker is next up?
Shucks I was hoping for potrykus.....
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Per Paint Touches' Twitter, Enlund is no longer on the Marquette beat. Why do I have a feeling Don Walker is next up?
DW may have some breaking news on TJ Taylor that should be reported.....and then again.
If it doesn't go back to Rosiak, just outsource the job to Paint Touches.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Per Paint Touches' Twitter, Enlund is no longer on the Marquette beat. Why do I have a feeling Don Walker is next up?
Quote from: bobnoxious on September 08, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
Shucks I was hoping for potrykus.....
If MU is going to get slammed, I'd personally prefer to have it done by a UW homer than a Marquette Alum.
gosh guys, as a former print journalist it is hard for me to pile on. Reporters everywhere are so overwhelmed in the collapsing industry, it is almost impossible to good reporting under the current setup and strain. Alabama newspapers just let a few hundred more employees go and all but one of the major daily's are going to publishing just 3 days a week - it really is tough.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on September 09, 2012, 04:43:14 AM
gosh guys, as a former print journalist it is hard for me to pile on. Reporters everywhere are so overwhelmed in the collapsing industry, it is almost impossible to good reporting under the current setup and strain. Alabama newspapers just let a few hundred more employees go and all but one of the major daily's are going to publishing just 3 days a week - it really is tough.
I don't see a problem with this as only 30% of Alabama's population can read.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on September 09, 2012, 04:43:14 AM
gosh guys, as a former print journalist it is hard for me to pile on. Reporters everywhere are so overwhelmed in the collapsing industry, it is almost impossible to good reporting under the current setup and strain. Alabama newspapers just let a few hundred more employees go and all but one of the major daily's are going to publishing just 3 days a week - it really is tough.
Bama is sooo right. But as the Jesuits and my Mother said, "if you can't do something right, don't do it at all!" In plain english, that means quit covering the latest Miley Cyrus or Kim Kardashian moment and cover the news.
I too am a former daily journalist. Newspapers dug their own graves by trying to compete head-on with television and now the internet. There is a place for them -- to cover things introspectively and to give thought that you can't get in a 2:45 sound byte at 6:00p.m.
The reality is that few people in this room get their Warrior news from the Journal-Sentinel anyway. Most get it from ESPN or from Scoopers.
Oh, and last time I checked, the reading rate in Alabama is about 50%. Now Mississippi.......
Makes you wonder if MU will even get a regular beat writer however.
J-S coverage, whether website or print, is important for the casual fan. For most here, not so much. ( though Rosiak did bring a lot to the table and we miss him for sure ).
Quote from: Nukem2 on September 09, 2012, 10:34:47 AM
J-S coverage, whether website or print, is important for the casual fan. For most here, not so much. ( though Rosiak did bring a lot to the table and we miss him for sure ).
This is very true, and something I think we often overlook. It's easy for those that are tied into the program and its goings-on; which pretty much all of us are, at least to a limited degree, if we take the effort to join Marquette basketball websites; to dismiss Enlund or whomever they assign to the beat. However, for 99% of the sports fans in the Milwaukee area that don't have our level of interest, the JS and other local outlets are how they find out what's going on at Marquette.
That's why Rosiak was so good for us, because he sought to frame Marquette in a positive light and find the good things going on with the program. Enlund seemed fairly neutral, which is still better than if they give the beat to a deliberate anti-Marquette reporter like Walker or Potrykus. I know it won't change anything for us, but for those that are legitimately concerned about the frequency of negative reports showing up, it won't help if our own beat writer is looking for ways to spin even the positive stories in a negative light, or simply ignoring half of what goes on with the program (read: the good stuff) because it doesn't fit their narrative.
In this tech age, either you embrace your audiences and the way they get their news or you die.
I love newspaper in print. There's something about holding it in your hand and reading it off paper.
And it keeps me from hauling my smartphone or tablet to the can.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 09, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
In this tech age, either you embrace your audiences and the way they get their news or you die.
I love newspaper in print. There's something about holding it in your hand and reading it off paper.
And it keeps me from hauling my smartphone or tablet to the can.
So, does that mean you've never "scooped" from high on top the throne?
My guess is that a least a few of Sultan's 8k plus posts were done while he was "multi tasking". ;D ;D ;D ;)
Quote from: real chili 83 on September 09, 2012, 01:26:35 PM
So, does that mean you've never "scooped" from high on top the throne?
My guess is that a least a few of Sultan's 8k plus posts were done while he was "multi tasking". ;D ;D ;D ;)
If that's true, I feel horrible for the buddies who get Facetimed while he's doing so! Lol
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 09, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
And it keeps me from hauling my smartphone or tablet to the can.
wait wait wait. then why get a tablet at all? perfect for the john.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 09, 2012, 01:32:12 PM
If that's true, I feel horrible for the buddies who get Facetimed while he's doing so! Lol
Or...
http://www.youtube.com/v/YCiY1y3uJ3o
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Per Paint Touches' Twitter, Enlund is no longer on the Marquette beat. Why do I have a feeling Don Walker is next up?
Bc you're completely unaware of how the MJS operates. Walker is their dedicated sports business
writer and since that topic is sometimes light he fills in on other topics per his editors.
Thinking that Walker stalks out MU just wreaks of inferiority. MU gets bad press for one reason, they've earned it.
This is my final comment (for now) on the subject. Todd Rosniak was a luxury the J-S can no longer afford on the Marquette beat. Display advertising is down dramatically for all newspapers, including the J-S, and classified advertising for homes, cars and jobs has been decimated by the internet. Newspapers have to make adjustments and the answer is fewer reporters doing more press release re-writes and less indepth reports.
If the J-S is biased, it's because their readers are biased. It's not that they are anti-Marquette. Their readers are pro-Packers and, yes, pro-Badger football. And they're pro-Brewers because they have to be. Any team that draws 2.0 million to 2.5 million attendees per year has to be covered, even when it has a bad season like the Brewers did this year. They give readers what they want to read.
Arguably, a media outlet should both cover the matters readers want to read and need to read. "Need to read" may include some things we don't like at Marquette, but it is necessary to allow the J-S reader to have a clear vision of the community. Unfortunately, "need to read" stories are disappearing fast because people don't want to read them unless they involve sex, theft or something that has a great graphic to it.
Do I think the J-S is biased against Marquette? No! Do I think they are cheap and lazy? Of course they are. If we become the North Carolina of the Midwest, we'll captivate people and gets lots of coverage. Until then, don't expect a lot from the J-S, or anyone else except us bloggers .
I also think the JS does a crappy job on the Badgers too in terms of coverage vs. other B1G schools (not just football but all sports) although slightly better than with MU. Hell, the Chicago papers do a better job of covering MU--pro or con. Look at how the Louisville paper covers UL, UK and Indiana on all sports and it doesn't even compare. Granted, Louisville doesn't have major sports franchises, but the coverage is complete none-the-less in terms of investment of assets. The JS has become irrelevant because of its management. The lack of an integrated media plan is reflective of a company with its head in the sand waiting for the end.
What are the new revenue streams? Why not compete in the tablet form via integrated media while keeping production and distribution costs down? Why not do a better job sharing reporters across its media assets?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 10, 2012, 09:22:13 AM
I also think the JS does a crappy job on the Badgers too in terms of coverage vs. other B1G schools (not just football but all sports) although slightly better than with MU. Hell, the Chicago papers do a better job of covering MU--pro or con. Look at how the Louisville paper covers UL, UK and Indiana on all sports and it doesn't even compare. Granted, Louisville doesn't have major sports franchises, but the coverage is complete none-the-less in terms of investment of assets.
I attribute this to the Packers.
For better or worse, the Packers are the only team that really matters. The JS could cut the coverage on everything else, and quite frankly, maybe they should. I know it seems insane, but they might be better off being the #1 Packers source, and leave everything else to the bloggers.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 10, 2012, 09:22:13 AM
Look at how the Louisville paper covers UL, UK and Indiana on all sports and it doesn't even compare. Granted, Louisville doesn't have major sports franchises, but the coverage is complete none-the-less in terms of investment of assets.
OK, I can't resist! The point I made was that if we become the North Carolina of the Midwest and develop a strong core following, the J-S will cover us like the dew (or the frost!). In the Louisville Courier-Journal's case, look who they are covering. The three teams in question -- Indiana, Louisville and Kentucky -- are three legitimate contenders for the NCAA National Basketball Championship. If you believe the pre-season hype (and I don't), you may have the Nation's 1, 2 and 3 ranked teams either in Louisville or within 150 miles of Louisville.
If Marquette, Wisconsin and, say, DePaul all were competing for the NCAA Champions with substantial numbers of players from the State of Wisconsin, all three would be front-page news in the J-S. Period. No argument!
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 10, 2012, 02:32:37 PM
OK, I can't resist! The point I made was that if we become the North Carolina of the Midwest and develop a strong core following, the J-S will cover us like the dew (or the frost!). In the Louisville Courier-Journal's case, look who they are covering. The three teams in question -- Indiana, Louisville and Kentucky -- are three legitimate contenders for the NCAA National Basketball Championship. If you believe the pre-season hype (and I don't), you may have the Nation's 1, 2 and 3 ranked teams either in Louisville or within 150 miles of Louisville.
If Marquette, Wisconsin and, say, DePaul all were competing for the NCAA Champions with substantial numbers of players from the State of Wisconsin, all three would be front-page news in the J-S. Period. No argument!
DePaul would be front page news in the J/S if it was (preseason) competing for the NCAA championship with a substansial number of Wisconsin players? Period, no argument? I disagree, but even if you're right, your analogy is poor. How many of Indiana's players come from Kentucky? Any of them?
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 10, 2012, 02:32:37 PM
OK, I can't resist! The point I made was that if we become the North Carolina of the Midwest and develop a strong core following, the J-S will cover us like the dew (or the frost!). In the Louisville Courier-Journal's case, look who they are covering. The three teams in question -- Indiana, Louisville and Kentucky -- are three legitimate contenders for the NCAA National Basketball Championship. If you believe the pre-season hype (and I don't), you may have the Nation's 1, 2 and 3 ranked teams either in Louisville or within 150 miles of Louisville.
If Marquette, Wisconsin and, say, DePaul all were competing for the NCAA Champions with substantial numbers of players from the State of Wisconsin, all three would be front-page news in the J-S. Period. No argument!
Except they are also covering Kentucky and Indiana craptacular football, and all school's volleyball, swimming, soccer, et al as well. End of argument!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 10, 2012, 03:00:28 PM
DePaul would be front page news in the J/S if it was (preseason) competing for the NCAA championship with a substansial number of Wisconsin players? Period, no argument? I disagree, but even if you're right, your analogy is poor. How many of Indiana's players come from Kentucky? Any of them?
As provincial as Wisconsin is, if ANYBODY was competing for the national championship with a substantial number of Wisconsin bred players, they'd be J-Sl news. But the point of my argument was that if we had three teams within 100 to 150 miles of Milwaukee ranked among the five or six best NCAA teams in the country and playing with Wisconsin-bred talent, the J-S would cover it. Period. The J-S probably would cover something like that, no matter where the players were coming from.
To the second commenter, if UW and Marquette were both in the Top 3 teams in the country, it would be front page news in the J-S almost every darn day, I don't care where the players are from. Same for DePaul. If J.S. Tokato played for DePaul and turned them around, the J-S would feature DePaul prominently. Period.
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 10, 2012, 10:59:20 PM
As provincial as Wisconsin is, if ANYBODY was competing for the national championship with a substantial number of Wisconsin bred players, they'd be J-Sl news. But the point of my argument was that if we had three teams within 100 to 150 miles of Milwaukee ranked among the five or six best NCAA teams in the country and playing with Wisconsin-bred talent, the J-S would cover it. Period. The J-S probably would cover something like that, no matter where the players were coming from.
To the second commenter, if UW and Marquette were both in the Top 3 teams in the country, it would be front page news in the J-S almost every darn day, I don't care where the players are from. Same for DePaul. If J.S. Tokato played for DePaul and turned them around, the J-S would feature DePaul prominently. Period.
But you're still comparing what the J/S might do if DePaul was a championship contender playing with Wisconsin guys to what a Louisville paper does do to a school 100 miles away with NO Kentucky players on the roster. Bad analogy. Period.
Uhh, Lenny, I understand where you're coming from but consider this. Louisville is a border city and a modest but notable part of the region's population is in Southern Indiana. Like Kentucky, Southern Indiana is basketball mad and the red and white they love often has script other than "Louisville" on it. To my original point, if a significant part of the J-S' circulation followed DePaul, there would be coverage. That following could be because perhaps there was Wisconsin-bred talent on DePaul or for whatever reason.
To go back to the original comments, the fact remains that the J-S' readers don't want wall-to-wall coverage of the Warriors. They want mush on the Packers, Badgers football and Brewers. The Bucks are an afterthought until they get good again (if they ever do) and Marquette is an interest in-season when we're good. Let us become a Top 5 team and things will change. Until then, no chance.
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 11, 2012, 07:23:58 AM
Uhh, Lenny, I understand where you're coming from but consider this. Louisville is a border city and a modest but notable part of the region's population is in Southern Indiana. Like Kentucky, Southern Indiana is basketball mad and the red and white they love often has script other than "Louisville" on it. To my original point, if a significant part of the J-S' circulation followed DePaul, there would be coverage. That following could be because perhaps there was Wisconsin-bred talent on DePaul or for whatever reason.
To go back to the original comments, the fact remains that the J-S' readers don't want wall-to-wall coverage of the Warriors. They want mush on the Packers, Badgers football and Brewers. The Bucks are an afterthought until they get good again (if they ever do) and Marquette is an interest in-season when we're good. Let us become a Top 5 team and things will change. Until then, no chance.
Agreed.
DePaul might as well be in Colorado, as far as the JS (and its readers) are concerned.
Bruce Murphy lists off the people who are leaving the JS..
Tom Enlund .. Laurel Walker .. Eugene Kane, all gone. Michael Hunt will no longer write a column, now just a sports reporter.
Wow. Remind me why I still have a 7 day a week subscription again?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 18, 2012, 01:41:52 PM
Wow. Remind me why I still have a 7 day a week subscription again?
The answer for me is the bag the paper comes in is perfect for dog droppings.
Edit to correct grammar.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 18, 2012, 01:41:52 PM
Wow. Remind me why I still have a 7 day a week subscription again?
because they sell 7 day subs for less than they bill me for 2 days + my local Greenfield paper?
If you cut out the coupons, the paper is just about free.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 18, 2012, 01:41:52 PM
Bruce Murphy lists off the people who are leaving the JS..
Tom Enlund .. Laurel Walker .. Eugene Kane, all gone. Michael Hunt will no longer write a column, now just a sports reporter.
Wow. Remind me why I still have a 7 day a week subscription again?
Yikes. Although... I'm one who was never a fan of Walker. Then, again I've known her for years as I grew up with her kids, so I may have an unfair bias there...
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 11, 2012, 04:00:32 PM
DePaul might as well be in Colorado, as far as the JS (and its readers) are concerned.
DePaul might as well be in Colorado, as far as the Chicago Tribune (and its readers) are concerned.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 18, 2012, 01:41:52 PM
Bruce Murphy lists off the people who are leaving the JS..
Tom Enlund .. Laurel Walker .. Eugene Kane, all gone. Michael Hunt will no longer write a column, now just a sports reporter.
Wow. Remind me why I still have a 7 day a week subscription again?
I may actually subscribe now that Eugene Kane is gone.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 18, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
If you cut out the coupons, the paper is just about free.
this made me laugh harder than I've laughed on scoop in a long time.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 18, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
If you cut out the coupons, the paper is just about free.
What's sad is the paper used to easily pay for itself many times over just on Sundays. Even in college, a Sunday paper could save me $20-30 off my grocery bill, and I remember my dad saving upwards of $50 every 2 weeks from coupons. Now, if you find more than $5 of truly worthwhile coupons in the Sunday paper, you're doing pretty well. It's all coin collections, rehashed infomercial ads, and crap no one wants. I have a feeling that a significant decline in useful coupons over the past 3-4 years has hurt subscriptions as much as anything.
If you are looking to save money, www.retailmenot.com is awesome.
But hey, that's just how I roll. And believe me, my fellow countrymen know all about this website!
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on September 19, 2012, 08:29:36 AM
If you are looking to save money, www.retailmenot.com is awesome.
Nope...more that as people get coupons off the web, the less valuable the JS becomes.
it seems like all of the coupons in the Sunday paper also come in the mail every week anyway
Lori Nickel won't you please come home!!!! She gave some excellent coverage to some crappy teams.