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Slim


Dawson Rental

Quote from: Slim on September 08, 2012, 03:34:17 PM
We hardly knew ye!

Did I miss something?  Are you talking about Enlund?  Is he gone from the J-S?
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

WI inferiority Complexes

If you're talking about Crean, he now coaches in Bloomington.

If you're talking about Bryce, he's now a physical therapist in Milwaukee.


brewcity77

Quote from: LittleMurs on September 08, 2012, 04:48:13 PM
Did I miss something?  Are you talking about Enlund?  Is he gone from the J-S?

Per Paint Touches' Twitter, Enlund is no longer on the Marquette beat. Why do I have a feeling Don Walker is next up?

bobnoxious

Shucks I was hoping for potrykus.....

We R Final Four

Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Per Paint Touches' Twitter, Enlund is no longer on the Marquette beat. Why do I have a feeling Don Walker is next up?
DW may have some breaking news on TJ Taylor that should be reported.....and then again.

chapman

If it doesn't go back to Rosiak, just outsource the job to Paint Touches.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Per Paint Touches' Twitter, Enlund is no longer on the Marquette beat. Why do I have a feeling Don Walker is next up?

Quote from: bobnoxious on September 08, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
Shucks I was hoping for potrykus.....

If MU is going to get slammed, I'd personally prefer to have it done by a UW homer than a Marquette Alum.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

bamamarquettefan

gosh guys, as a former print journalist it is hard for me to pile on.  Reporters everywhere are so overwhelmed in the collapsing industry, it is almost impossible to good reporting under the current setup and strain.  Alabama newspapers just let a few hundred more employees go and all but one of the major daily's are going to publishing just 3 days a week - it really is tough.
The www.valueaddsports.com analysis of basketball, football and baseball players are intended to neither be too hot or too cold - hundreds immerse themselves in studies of stats not of interest to broader fan bases (too hot), while others still insist on pure observation (too cold).

🏀

Quote from: bamamarquettefan on September 09, 2012, 04:43:14 AM
gosh guys, as a former print journalist it is hard for me to pile on.  Reporters everywhere are so overwhelmed in the collapsing industry, it is almost impossible to good reporting under the current setup and strain.  Alabama newspapers just let a few hundred more employees go and all but one of the major daily's are going to publishing just 3 days a week - it really is tough.

I don't see a problem with this as only 30% of Alabama's population can read.

dgies9156

Quote from: bamamarquettefan on September 09, 2012, 04:43:14 AM
gosh guys, as a former print journalist it is hard for me to pile on.  Reporters everywhere are so overwhelmed in the collapsing industry, it is almost impossible to good reporting under the current setup and strain.  Alabama newspapers just let a few hundred more employees go and all but one of the major daily's are going to publishing just 3 days a week - it really is tough.

Bama is sooo right. But as the Jesuits and my Mother said, "if you can't do something right, don't do it at all!" In plain english, that means quit covering the latest Miley Cyrus or Kim Kardashian moment and cover the news.

I too am a former daily journalist. Newspapers dug their own graves by trying to compete head-on with television and now the internet. There is a place for them -- to cover things introspectively and to give thought that you can't get in a 2:45 sound byte at 6:00p.m.

The reality is that few people in this room get their Warrior news from the Journal-Sentinel anyway. Most get it from ESPN or from Scoopers.

Oh, and last time I checked, the reading rate in Alabama is about 50%. Now Mississippi.......

GGGG

Makes you wonder if MU will even get a regular beat writer however.

Nukem2

J-S coverage, whether website or print, is important for the casual fan.  For most here, not so much. ( though Rosiak did bring a lot to the table and we miss him for sure ).

brewcity77

Quote from: Nukem2 on September 09, 2012, 10:34:47 AM
J-S coverage, whether website or print, is important for the casual fan.  For most here, not so much. ( though Rosiak did bring a lot to the table and we miss him for sure ).

This is very true, and something I think we often overlook. It's easy for those that are tied into the program and its goings-on; which pretty much all of us are, at least to a limited degree, if we take the effort to join Marquette basketball websites; to dismiss Enlund or whomever they assign to the beat. However, for 99% of the sports fans in the Milwaukee area that don't have our level of interest, the JS and other local outlets are how they find out what's going on at Marquette.

That's why Rosiak was so good for us, because he sought to frame Marquette in a positive light and find the good things going on with the program. Enlund seemed fairly neutral, which is still better than if they give the beat to a deliberate anti-Marquette reporter like Walker or Potrykus. I know it won't change anything for us, but for those that are legitimately concerned about the frequency of negative reports showing up, it won't help if our own beat writer is looking for ways to spin even the positive stories in a negative light, or simply ignoring half of what goes on with the program (read: the good stuff) because it doesn't fit their narrative.

77ncaachamps

In this tech age, either you embrace your audiences and the way they get their news or you die.

I love newspaper in print. There's something about holding it in your hand and reading it off paper.

And it keeps me from hauling my smartphone or tablet to the can.
SS Marquette

real chili 83

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 09, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
In this tech age, either you embrace your audiences and the way they get their news or you die.

I love newspaper in print. There's something about holding it in your hand and reading it off paper.

And it keeps me from hauling my smartphone or tablet to the can.

So, does that mean you've never "scooped" from high on top the throne? 

My guess is that a least a few of Sultan's 8k plus posts were done while he was "multi tasking".  ;D ;D ;D ;)

77ncaachamps

Quote from: real chili 83 on September 09, 2012, 01:26:35 PM
So, does that mean you've never "scooped" from high on top the throne? 

My guess is that a least a few of Sultan's 8k plus posts were done while he was "multi tasking".  ;D ;D ;D ;)

If that's true, I feel horrible for the buddies who get Facetimed while he's doing so! Lol
SS Marquette

MUBurrow

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 09, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
And it keeps me from hauling my smartphone or tablet to the can.

wait wait wait. then why get a tablet at all? perfect for the john.

The Process

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 09, 2012, 01:32:12 PM
If that's true, I feel horrible for the buddies who get Facetimed while he's doing so! Lol

Or...

http://www.youtube.com/v/YCiY1y3uJ3o
Relax. Respect the Process.

The Lens

Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Per Paint Touches' Twitter, Enlund is no longer on the Marquette beat. Why do I have a feeling Don Walker is next up?

Bc you're completely unaware of how the MJS operates.  Walker is their dedicated sports business
writer and since that topic is sometimes light he fills in on other topics per his editors. 

Thinking that Walker stalks out MU just wreaks of inferiority.  MU gets bad press for one reason, they've earned it.

The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

dgies9156

This is my final comment (for now) on the subject. Todd Rosniak was a luxury the J-S can no longer afford on the Marquette beat. Display advertising is down dramatically for all newspapers, including the J-S, and classified advertising for homes, cars and jobs has been decimated by the internet. Newspapers have to make adjustments and the answer is fewer reporters doing more press release re-writes and less indepth reports.

If the J-S is biased, it's because their readers are biased. It's not that they are anti-Marquette. Their readers are pro-Packers and, yes, pro-Badger football. And they're pro-Brewers because they have to be. Any team that draws 2.0 million to 2.5 million attendees per year has to be covered, even when it has a bad season like the Brewers did this year. They give readers what they want to read.

Arguably, a media outlet should both cover the matters readers want to read and need to read. "Need to read" may include some things we don't like at Marquette, but it is necessary to allow the J-S reader to have a clear vision of the community. Unfortunately, "need to read" stories are disappearing fast because people don't want to read them unless they involve sex, theft or something that has a great graphic to it.

Do I think the J-S is biased against Marquette? No! Do I think they are cheap and lazy? Of course they are. If we become the North Carolina of the Midwest, we'll captivate people and gets lots of coverage. Until then, don't expect a lot from the J-S, or anyone else except us bloggers .

Dr. Blackheart

I also think the JS does a crappy job on the Badgers too in terms of coverage vs. other B1G schools (not just football but all sports) although slightly better than with MU. Hell, the Chicago papers do a better job of covering MU--pro or con. Look at how the Louisville paper covers UL, UK and Indiana on all sports and it doesn't even compare. Granted, Louisville doesn't have major sports franchises, but the coverage is complete none-the-less in terms of investment of assets. The JS has become irrelevant because of its management. The lack of an integrated media plan is reflective of a company with its head in the sand waiting for the end.

What are the new revenue streams? Why not compete in the tablet form via integrated media while keeping production and distribution costs down? Why not do a better job sharing reporters across its media assets?   

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 10, 2012, 09:22:13 AM
I also think the JS does a crappy job on the Badgers too in terms of coverage vs. other B1G schools (not just football but all sports) although slightly better than with MU. Hell, the Chicago papers do a better job of covering MU--pro or con. Look at how the Louisville paper covers UL, UK and Indiana on all sports and it doesn't even compare. Granted, Louisville doesn't have major sports franchises, but the coverage is complete none-the-less in terms of investment of assets.  

I attribute this to the Packers.

For better or worse, the Packers are the only team that really matters. The JS could cut the coverage on everything else, and quite frankly, maybe they should. I know it seems insane, but they might be better off being the #1 Packers source, and leave everything else to the bloggers.

dgies9156

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 10, 2012, 09:22:13 AM
Look at how the Louisville paper covers UL, UK and Indiana on all sports and it doesn't even compare. Granted, Louisville doesn't have major sports franchises, but the coverage is complete none-the-less in terms of investment of assets.

OK, I can't resist! The point I made was that if we become the North Carolina of the Midwest and develop a strong core following, the J-S will cover us like the dew (or the frost!). In the Louisville Courier-Journal's case, look who they are covering. The three teams in question -- Indiana, Louisville and Kentucky -- are three legitimate contenders for the NCAA National Basketball Championship. If you believe the pre-season hype (and I don't), you may have the Nation's 1, 2 and 3 ranked teams either in Louisville or within 150 miles of Louisville.

If Marquette, Wisconsin and, say, DePaul all were competing for the NCAA Champions with substantial numbers of players from the State of Wisconsin, all three would be front-page news in the J-S. Period. No argument!

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