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Hmmm. Explains the continued pursuit of 2013 guards.
via MU's twitter

TJ Taylor withdraws from MU, leaving #mubb. "In TJ's best interest, he has withdrawn from school today for personal reasons," Buzz said.

"As a program, we are in complete support of his decision and we wish him all the best in his future as a student-athlete," Buzz said. #mubb

That's unfortunate. I hope everything is alright with TJ and his family.

And then, there were two.

Wow, TJ's now been to two Division I schools without making it to the basketball season.  (He went down with a concussion in preseason practices at OK, I believe.)  We'll eventually hear more as to why, I suppose.

so was he going to be eligible this year at MU? I guess it's sort of irrelevant now.

Was he supposed to be a great player? I've been kind of disconnected from recruiting for a bit and I'm trying to keep all of the new guys straight in my mind.

I don't think we will because I really feel that they were personal reasons. I don't know if any of you follow him on twitter but he was a little pathetic when it came to him and his long distance relationship. Since he made it out to school he has constantly been whining and complaining on there about missing her. I don't think we will hear more about the reasons. If a kid can't make it 2 weeks on campus then he wasn't gonna last very long once school, and the season started. I know I sound a bit harsh but in all honesty I think he couldn't handle being out here. Follow him on twitter if you don't believe me.

Quote from: lawwarrior12 on July 18, 2012, 02:38:31 PM
so was he going to be eligible this year at MU? I guess it's sort of irrelevant now.

Was he supposed to be a great player? I've been kind of disconnected from recruiting for a bit and I'm trying to keep all of the new guys straight in my mind.

Yes, he would have been eligible this year.

Opinions differed on whether he would have had any impact this year.  Some expected some good things from him right away.

Guys who are more up on recruting than me: Can we use his scholarship to get a better player or is that unlikely?

Quote from: jhags15 on July 18, 2012, 02:39:47 PM
I don't think we will because I really feel that they were personal reasons. I don't know if any of you follow him on twitter but he was a little pathetic when it came to him and his long distance relationship. Since he made it out to school he has constantly been whining and complaining on there about missing her. I don't think we will hear more about the reasons. If a kid can't make it 2 weeks on campus then he wasn't gonna last very long once school, and the season started. I know I sound a bit harsh but in all honesty I think he couldn't handle being out here. Follow him on twitter if you don't believe me.

Yeah, if he was hurting a lot this early, I'm sure its best for all concerned that he moved on back.  I'm not a twitter follower, so I wouldn't have known he was going through this.  Thanks for passing that info on.

Maybe it will force Buzz to lighten up on Mayo.

Quote from: lawwarrior12 on July 18, 2012, 02:44:47 PM
Guys who are more up on recruting than me: Can we use his scholarship to get a better player or is that unlikely?

For this class, highly unlikely.

2013 has a bunch of talented players left.

Holy crap.  Seriously?  If Mayo isn't back, who the hell is going to be playing in the backcourt?

Oh and is it too late for me to revise my prediction on Jake Thomas' role?   :P

Is it Friday?

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 02:47:05 PM
Holy crap.  Seriously?  If Mayo isn't back, who the hell is going to be playing in the backcourt?

Oh and is it too late for me to revise my prediction on Jake Thomas' role?   :P

Written in stone.  You're stuck, dude.

Being on the internet doesn't make anything true, just permanent.

"If Mayo isn't back, who the hell is going to be playing in the backcourt?"

As a reaction, I can see Steve Taylor getting more minutes, as guys who were going to get minutes at forward (Blue, Lockett (maybe Jamil)) moving to the backcourt and freeing up time for Steve.

The biggest loss here is the fact that he supposedly could hit a jumper. Looking at this team now and there is only 1 guy that I think we can count on to make a 3 pointer at a good rate and he is a transfer from a low division 1 school. How do we view the Jamail transfer now? We NEED Todd back here or the zone will kill this team. Jamil is okay from 3 I suppose but I prefer him down low. This is a big loss just because of the contrast it gave us in playing styles.

I really think it was academics now that he just responded on twitter, surprised he even responded...haha

So all the roster depth is virtually gone now

Rotation
Junior
Vander
Lockett
Wilson
Otule
Gardner
Steve Taylor
Derrick Wilson
Thomas?
Ferguson?

What did he say on the Twitter?

Don't count on Todd coming back.  All the chatter indicates otherwise.

Well this is getting interesting.  Now we know why Buzz is still recruiting 2013 SGs and now Kendrick Nunn is definitely the #1 target.  That Croaker kid "thanked god" for his MU offer, but was probably told he is #2 or #3 on the list.  

Thank goodness Lockett is here this year and almost imperative that Mayo returns.  Without Mayo, next year means no Junior, no Lockett, and now no Taylor.  

Quote from: lawwarrior12 on July 18, 2012, 02:54:11 PM
What did he say on the Twitter?

I asked if it was about the girlfriend he responded.

@jhags15 has nothing to do with that keep your thoughts to yourself you have no idea so just chill out

I usually get no response from these guys so I wasn't expecting a response. Gotta think it may be about the clearinghouse. Who knows?

kids probably under a lot of stress. Moving on to a 3rd D1 school in 3 years? His career is uphill at best at this point. I'd lash out at some guy on the twitter too.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 18, 2012, 02:56:15 PM
I asked if it was about the girlfriend he responded.

@jhags15 has nothing to do with that keep your thoughts to yourself you have no idea so just chill out

I usually get no response from these guys so I wasn't expecting a response. Gotta think it may be about the clearinghouse. Who knows?

Why would you ask him that? Kind of a dickmove IMO.

Quote from: nyg on July 18, 2012, 02:54:28 PM
Well this is getting interesting.  Now we know why Buzz is still recruiting 2013 SGs and now Kendrick Nunn is definitely the #1 target.  That Croaker kid "thanked god" for his MU offer, but was probably told he is #2 or #3 on the list.  

Thank goodness Lockett is here this year and almost imperative that Mayo returns.  Without Mayo, next year means no Junior, no Lockett, and now no Taylor.  

If Mayo should come back, I don't see how it would be for more than a year, so either way - Mayo back or not - we'll still mucho help next year.

Quote from: jmayer1 on July 18, 2012, 02:59:28 PM
Why would you ask him that? Kind of a dickmove IMO.

cuz im a dick?

eh, when athletes enter the public forum that is the Twitter, they should expect questions when they do public things. Unless Hags asked his question like a total dick, I don't think it was a dick move.

Quote from: jmayer1 on July 18, 2012, 02:59:28 PM
Why would you ask him that? Kind of a dickmove IMO.

I think a dick move would be more like:

Hey TJ if this is about your girlfriend you are an (expletive after expletive of my choice)

I think simply asking is not really a dick move.

Quote from: jmayer1 on July 18, 2012, 02:59:28 PM
Why would you ask him that? Kind of a dickmove IMO.

I disagree.  The kid has a twitter account, and he was evidently using it to let people know that being away from his girl was tough.  If the kid doesn't want questions, he doesn't have to twitter in the first place or to respond to any questions he gets.

The issue goes beyond 2013 - look at 2014.  Our only returning guards will be Vander, Jamal and Derrick Wilson.  And let's jut be charitable and say that none exactly excel at hitting outside shots.

Agreed Murs. When you go into a public forum, expect doing public things.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
The issue goes beyond 2013 - look at 2014.  Our only returning guards will be Vander, Jamal and Derrick Wilson.  And let's jut be charitable and say that none exactly excel at hitting outside shots.

when will Marquette finally land a top small man??

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
The issue goes beyond 2013 - look at 2014.  Our only returning guards will be Vander, Jamal and Derrick Wilson.  And let's jut be charitable and say that none exactly excel at hitting outside shots.

Won't Duane Wilson be there?

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
The issue goes beyond 2013 - look at 2014.  Our only returning guards will be Vander, Jamal and Derrick Wilson.  And let's jut be charitable and say that none exactly excel at hitting outside shots.

Jake has two more years to go as well.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
The issue goes beyond 2013 - look at 2014.  Our only returning guards will be Vander, Jamal and Derrick Wilson.  And let's jut be charitable and say that none exactly excel at hitting outside shots.

Except we'll also have Deonte Burton and Duane Wilson at the very least.

Quote from: MuMark on July 18, 2012, 02:53:30 PM
So all the roster depth is virtually gone now

Rotation
Junior
Vander
Lockett
Wilson
Otule
Gardner
Steve Taylor
Derrick Wilson
Thomas?
Ferguson?

Don't be forgettin' Juan Anderson.

This year could be a little worse than I expected. Not because of TJ's departure, but if we have no Mayo and no TJ we will only have 1 3 pt. shooter.

Quote from: nyg on July 18, 2012, 03:07:37 PM
Won't Duane Wilson be there?

Yes, but he is not "returning," and we have no idea if he can hit the outside shot.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
The issue goes beyond 2013 - look at 2014.  Our only returning guards will be Vander, Jamal and Derrick Wilson.  And let's jut be charitable and say that none exactly excel at hitting outside shots.

No problem, Buzz will get DeMarcus Croaker, and MU will go to an all dunk offense.

Bold Prediction:
Kendrick Nunn will commit to Marquette in the next week and a half. If not I expect another high profile player to sign. I am just going with my gut here, Buzz is not afraid to show the door to guys. Maybe it was academics, maybe it was a lack of motivation or talent. Who knows? I am just gonna make my prediction and hope I am right

Quote from: jhags15 on July 18, 2012, 03:09:38 PM
This year could be a little worse than I expected. Not because of TJ's departure, but if we have no Mayo and no TJ we will only have 1 3 pt. shooter.

I have to go with only one outside shooting guard, neverless a 3pt shooter and that is Lockett.  Unless you count Thomas, who may or may not see time.

Junior
Vander
D. Wilson

All of the above are to say the least, not very good shooters.  Lets hope Mayo returns.  

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 03:11:05 PM

Yes, but he is not "returning," and we have no idea if he can hit the outside shot.

Actually, in 2014, he would be returning, which is what you said.

If it is academics, (a big) maybe TJ returns to Paris JUCO for a year and comes to MU then.

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 18, 2012, 03:15:09 PM
Actually, in 2014, he would be returning, which is what you said.

Thats what I thought.  Wilson will be freshman in 2013-2014, soph 2014-2015. 

Quote from: LittleMurs on July 18, 2012, 03:16:05 PM
If it is academics, (a big) maybe TJ returns to Paris JUCO for a year and comes to MU then.

People tried to say that about Durley too.  I guess it's possible, but very unlikely.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 18, 2012, 03:13:17 PM
Bold Prediction:
Kendrick Nunn will commit to Marquette in the next week and a half. If not I expect another high profile player to sign. I am just going with my gut here, Buzz is not afraid to show the door to guys. Maybe it was academics, maybe it was a lack of motivation or talent. Who knows? I am just gonna make my prediction and hope I am right

Nunn has said he will release his final list (not sure if it was 3 or 5) on Aug. 3. Prep Bullseye peeps think he's doing it as a sort of ultimatum for UCLA to offer.

Quote from: nyg on July 18, 2012, 03:13:51 PM
I have to go with only one outside shooting guard, neverless a 3pt shooter and that is Lockett.  Unless you count Thomas, who may or may not see time.

Junior
Vander
D. Wilson

All of the above are to say the least, not very good shooters.  Lets hope Mayo returns.  

Lockett only attempted 2 treys per game last year.  Obviously only taking a trey when wide open.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 18, 2012, 03:13:17 PM
Bold Prediction:
Kendrick Nunn will commit to Marquette in the next week and a half. If not I expect another high profile player to sign. I am just going with my gut here, Buzz is not afraid to show the door to guys. Maybe it was academics, maybe it was a lack of motivation or talent. Who knows? I am just gonna make my prediction and hope I am right

Nunn will be trimming his list to 6 on August 3rd, from what the Bullseye Bros said on Twitter. I think he's hoping that Kentucky offers, which is why he's waiting. He'll likely decide before too long, but I definitely wouldn't put him in the foregone conclusion pile.

Quote from: Nukem2 on July 18, 2012, 03:21:09 PM
Lockett only attempted 2 treys per game last year.  Obviously only taking a trey when wide open.

I think J. Wilson will be able to help out from 3, he's got a nice shot.

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 18, 2012, 03:15:09 PM
Actually, in 2014, he would be returning, which is what you said.

Yeah, you are correct.  Mixed up my years.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 02:47:05 PM
Holy crap.  Seriously?  If Mayo isn't back, who the hell is going to be playing in the backcourt?

Oh and is it too late for me to revise my prediction on Jake Thomas' role?   :P

That's right Sultan, some of us were so worried about you being right about Jake not being able to compete at this level that we are carefully getting rid of one guard at a time until Jake is the only option :-)

I really do believe Jake can compete at this level, but certainly more comfortable with him coming into bust the zone with a few bombs against certain defenses, not as a starter.

On a serious note, when we get complaints about overrecruiting I know everyone immediately is thinking about kicking another Newbill off the team, but this is why you have to always be recruiting.  You wake up one day and Mbakwe or TJ aren't in their dorm room.  We can just never play so short on players like with what Buzz inherited.

Quote from: bamamarquettefan on July 18, 2012, 03:28:42 PMOn a serious note, when we get complaints about overrecruiting I know everyone immediately is thinking about kicking another Newbill off the team, but this is why you have to always be recruiting.  You wake up one day and Mbakwe or TJ aren't in their dorm room.  We can just never play so short on players like with what Buzz inherited.

So that's it...TJ Taylor is the first casualty of our move of underclassmen to Tower. Way to go, Larry.

Calling Mislav Brzoja.  Calling Mislav Brzoja.  Calling Mislav Brzoja.

Quote from: bamamarquettefan on July 18, 2012, 03:28:42 PM
On a serious note, when we get complaints about overrecruiting I know everyone immediately is thinking about kicking another Newbill off the team, but this is why you have to always be recruiting.  You wake up one day and Mbakwe or TJ aren't in their dorm room.  We can just never play so short on players like with what Buzz inherited.

Hey, maybe with the whole Penn State thing going on, Newbill would want to transfer here!!!

Quote from: Nukem2 on July 18, 2012, 03:21:09 PM
Lockett only attempted 2 treys per game last year.  Obviously only taking a trey when wide open.

That's a good point.

A little deeper dive shows he only attempted 215 FGs, and 50 were 3pt attempts.

For reference:
Junior attempted 190 fgs, and 38 were 3pt attempts. (similar to Lockett in attempts, but not in efficiency)
DJO attempted 470 fgs and 200 were 3pt attempts.

So, while Lockett might not be DJO, if he plays in a more uptempo offense, and took more shots, he could be pretty good from 3pt.

Still, if Taylor and Mayo are gone, I'll have to go back to my original take on Jake Thomas: If he can defend, he'll play 10min./game.

He certainly has shown the ability to hit the 3 in high school(over 40%). Did you have no idea if Steve Novak or Travis Diener could hit an outside shot before they came to MU?

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 03:11:05 PM

Yes, but he is not "returning," and we have no idea if he can hit the outside shot.

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on July 18, 2012, 03:41:51 PM
That's a good point.

A little deeper dive shows he only attempted 215 FGs, and 50 were 3pt attempts.

For reference:
Junior attempted 190 fgs, and 38 were 3pt attempts. (similar to Lockett in attempts, but not in efficiency)
DJO attempted 470 fgs and 200 were 3pt attempts.

So, while Lockett might not be DJO, if he plays in a more uptempo offense, and took more shots, he could be pretty good from 3pt.

Still, if Taylor and Mayo are gone, I'll have to go back to my original take on Jake Thomas: If he can defend, he'll play 10min./game.

And score 20!

Well, if him and Mayo aren't with us, they're against us.

Quote from: pux90mex on July 18, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
Nunn has said he will release his final list (not sure if it was 3 or 5) on Aug. 3. Prep Bullseye peeps think he's doing it as a sort of ultimatum for UCLA to offer.

I get the strong impression that MU is Nunn's safety school. Obviously, he's dying for UCLA to make an offer...and I'm assuming they haven't. If he gets nothing from UCLA (or Kentucky)...he'll probably make his way to MU. Just a guess.

Any chance Buzz has a call in to Melvin Johnson, top 100 2012 SG who just got a release from Miami?  Considering the potential for minutes perhaps he has some interest?

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/12/former-miami-signee-melvin-johnson-back-on-the-market/

From Dwight Burke's high school...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/miami/basketball/recruiting/player-Melvin-Johnson-117224

Visited VCU today.  Also interest from SMU, USF, Villanova:

http://rvanews.com/sports/former-miami-sg-melvin-johnson-visits-vcu/62835

Quote from: Bocephys on July 18, 2012, 03:43:06 PM
And score 20!

No.

But, I have to say, how many drive and kicks have we seen that led to another drive and another kick?

It was worse 2 years ago. Butler drives and kicks to DJO, who drives and kicks to Blue, who drives into the lane where all of the defenders are standing.

There are open catch and shoot-type shots in MU's offense, especially with Blue, Junior, and conceivably Lockett driving the ball.

Plus, Gardner will require consistent double teams, so if they can teach him to give it up, that will lead to open looks.

I'm not saying Jake is the second coming, but I think he can be effective role player (offensively), especially given the other players MU has.

The question for me comes on defense.

I knew someone wasn't making it out of summer but shocked it came after 10 days in town.

The kid was absolutely stoked to be at Marquette by his indications in public so to turn around this quickly in such a short amount of time would indicate a serious issue (especially since its a second instance).

All things considered, our close season has truly been a mixed batch.

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on July 18, 2012, 03:52:40 PM
No.

But, I have to say, how many drive and kicks have we seen that led to another drive and another kick?

It was worse 2 years ago. Butler drives and kicks to DJO, who drives and kicks to Blue, who drives into the lane where all of the defenders are standing.

There are open catch and shoot-type shots in MU's offense, especially with Blue, Junior, and conceivably Lockett driving the ball.

Plus, Gardner will require consistent double teams, so if they can teach him to give it up, that will lead to open looks.

I'm not saying Jake is the second coming, but I think he can be effective role player (offensively), especially given the other players MU has.

The question for me comes on defense.

You are absolutely correct, I obviously don't believe he's a 20 point per game guy.  He could definitely be the type to play 5 minutes and score between 3-9 points though.  He'll probably be a lot like Novak in the NBA in the sense that almost all the shots he takes will be 3 pointers and we'll look to hide him on defense.

Quote from: Bocephys on July 18, 2012, 04:00:01 PM
You are absolutely correct, I obviously don't believe he's a 20 point per game guy.  He could definitely be the type to play 5 minutes and score between 3-9 points though.  He'll probably be a lot like Novak in the NBA in the sense that almost all the shots he takes will be 3 pointers and we'll look to hide him on defense.

Maybe a bit like Novak as a frosh. at MU.

He won't be as efficient (Novak was a freak), but a bit of a 1 trick pony that is effective (because the other guys are hard to guard).

Just to clarify, I'm thinking role minutes. Let's not get carried away. 10min. per game. We know Buzz like some fast and furious subs, especially offense for defense.

Perhaps MU should start sticking a little closer to the Midwest. It seems like a lot of these "faraway" recruits end up returning home—for good.

and if we did that we would have missed out on Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, DJO and Junior ........

Quote from: Groin_pull on July 18, 2012, 04:12:48 PM
Perhaps MU should start sticking a little closer to the Midwest. It seems like a lot of these "faraway" recruits end up returning home—for good.

Quote from: MuMark on July 18, 2012, 04:18:44 PM
and if we did that we would have missed out on Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, DJO and Junior ........

Good point.

Quote from: Groin_pull on July 18, 2012, 04:12:48 PM
Perhaps MU should start sticking a little closer to the Midwest. It seems like a lot of these "faraway" recruits end up returning home—for good.

As opposed to Midwestern kids like Reggie Smith, Jeronne Maymon, Trevor Mbakwe, Odartey Blankson, Dameon Mason, etc.

Well, at least the cat has a girlfriend. Just sayin'.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
As opposed to Midwestern kids like Reggie Smith, Jeronne Maymon, Trevor Mbakwe, Odartey Blankson, Dameon Mason, etc.

+1

Add Scott C. to that list

Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 18, 2012, 04:24:34 PM
Well, at least the cat has a girlfriend. Just sayin'.

If this is the real reason he's leaving then they should start working on a romance movie. Guy is essentially put an end to any major college basketball career he would have had...

Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
As opposed to Midwestern kids like Reggie Smith, Jeronne Maymon, Trevor Mbakwe, Odartey Blankson, Dameon Mason, etc.

Ugh, just when i thought I would never hear Dameon Mason's name again...

Will Buzz ever have 13 scholarship players for a season? Seems like were always one or 2 down.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
As opposed to Midwestern kids like Reggie Smith, Jeronne Maymon, Trevor Mbakwe, Odartey Blankson, Dameon Mason, etc.

Okay, okay. No reason to pile on.

Quote from: BRMU23 on July 18, 2012, 04:35:38 PM
Ugh, just when i thought I would never hear Dameon Mason's name again...

DMase's name will always come up when Louisville and MU games go down to the last shot for the win.


What he was recently doing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2BXr2iCHN8
Coaches as well: http://crossoverhoops.net/Coaches.aspx

Quote from: jhags15 on July 18, 2012, 02:56:15 PM
I asked if it was about the girlfriend he responded.

@jhags15 has nothing to do with that keep your thoughts to yourself you have no idea so just chill out

I find it hysterical and so ironic that TJ would tell someone else to chill out about his girlfriend on Twitter.

Can't wish him well. He left is in the lurch. Tied up a scholarship for what...18 months or so and then he toughs it out for all of 2 weeks?! Sounds very immature.

How come no one has brought up the "possible" new rules and regulations put on Buzz and the basketball program by the new administration? Maybe this kid was not let in because of some of there new ideas/rules. He was on campus, but didn't play in the summer league and now he is gone. It makes me wonder what is happening. That is the same thing that has me wondering about Mayo.

IF the administration is putting certain "new restrictions" on the program, and they are forcing certain players out (potentially a coach if that's the case) they don't understand what basketball means Marquette University.

I hope that is far from what is happening here.

GO MU!

ESPN already has him off our scholarship list.

Quote from: hoops12 on July 18, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
How come no one has brought up the "possible" new rules and regulations put on Buzz and the basketball program by the new administration? Maybe this kid was not let in because of some of there new ideas/rules. He was on campus, but didn't play in the summer league and now he is gone. It makes me wonder what is happening. That is the same thing that has me wondering about Mayo.

IF the administration is putting certain "new restrictions" on the program, and they are forcing certain players out (potentially a coach if that's the case) they don't understand what basketball means Marquette University.

I hope that is far from what is happening here.

GO MU!

Because he was on campus and supposedly enrolled. 

Let me also add, that TJT really is in bad shape scholarship wise.  JayBee or someone who understands these rules better than me can figure this out, but he will have to sit a year before playing right?  And he already burned his redshirt and his first year of eligibility at Paris CC.  He will only have two years left...and will he be able to even play first semester?

Quote from: hoops12 on July 18, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
How come no one has brought up the "possible" new rules and regulations put on Buzz and the basketball program by the new administration? Maybe this kid was not let in because of some of there new ideas/rules. He was on campus, but didn't play in the summer league and now he is gone. It makes me wonder what is happening. That is the same thing that has me wondering about Mayo.

IF the administration is putting certain "new restrictions" on the program, and they are forcing certain players out (potentially a coach if that's the case) they don't understand what basketball means Marquette University.

I hope that is far from what is happening here.

GO MU!

Ah yes, the "prepared for outrage post".

Congrats on being first.

We have no evidence that TJT was run off, but it won't stop us from preparing to be outraged that the admin. doesn't know what they are doing.

Rage on, my friend. Rage on.

Quote from: hoops12 on July 18, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
How come no one has brought up the "possible" new rules and regulations put on Buzz and the basketball program by the new administration? Maybe this kid was not let in because of some of there new ideas/rules. He was on campus, but didn't play in the summer league and now he is gone. It makes me wonder what is happening. That is the same thing that has me wondering about Mayo.

IF the administration is putting certain "new restrictions" on the program, and they are forcing certain players out (potentially a coach if that's the case) they don't understand what basketball means Marquette University.

I hope that is far from what is happening here.

GO MU!

Because recruits read this board and base their decisions off what fans say.

Honestly, we've been fortunate with Juco players, the majority of the time they don't work out.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 06:58:14 PM
Let me also add, that TJT really is in bad shape scholarship wise.  JayBee or someone who understands these rules better than me can figure this out, but he will have to sit a year before playing right?  And he already burned his redshirt and his first year of eligibility at Paris CC.  He will only have two years left...and will he be able to even play first semester?

I do not know for sure, but I think he will be immediately eligible just like Roseboro and Newbill were. The key is that he was only here in the summer. Once the player starts the first semester he has sit out, if he transfers. As long as MU is willing to release him he is free to go anywhere.

Wonder if Jamail Jones has any regrets about transferring....with TJ gone and Mayo a maybe he could have potentially had a lot more minutes with MU.   I always thought the dude had a pretty nice stroke from the outside too.

Wish TJ Taylor well in life...No matter the issues or their nature, it is not a good sign for him that he is transferring again as it certainly sets back his own personal journey and that may be hard to ever recover.

Quote from: hoops12 on July 18, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
How come no one has brought up the "possible" new rules and regulations put on Buzz and the basketball program by the new administration? Maybe this kid was not let in because of some of there new ideas/rules. He was on campus, but didn't play in the summer league and now he is gone. It makes me wonder what is happening. That is the same thing that has me wondering about Mayo.

IF the administration is putting certain "new restrictions" on the program, and they are forcing certain players out (potentially a coach if that's the case) they don't understand what basketball means Marquette University.

I hope that is far from what is happening here.

GO MU!

You are assuming he was run off for what he may have done or was about to do?  The Administration is upset with what players enrolled at MU either did or put themselves in a position to be accused of doing.  LW and Pilarz are not pre emptively kicking kids out of school.  That would be profiling and totally illegal.  He either didn't qualify, did something to warrant his dismissal or wanted to leave.

That being said conspiracy theories are way more fun.

Quote from: bilsu on July 18, 2012, 07:51:29 PM
I do not know for sure, but I think he will be immediately eligible just like Roseboro and Newbill were. The key is that he was only here in the summer. Once the player starts the first semester he has sit out, if he transfers. As long as MU is willing to release him he is free to go anywhere.

OK, yeah it is a lot like Roseboro.  Newbill is different because he was never enrolled.

Thanks.

Quote from: Blueprint on July 18, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
ESPN already has him off our scholarship list.

In that case Enlund should have a story in a day or two.

Another example is Shane Larkin, who went from DePaul to Miami over the summer last year. 

Based on that, TJT should be able to immediately play elsewhere.

What does this mean for next year's scholarship situation? If Otule is granted a 6th year of eligibility, and Du. Wilson, Burton, and McKay all end up here, do we have any additional scholarships available?

Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on July 18, 2012, 08:30:20 PM
What does this mean for next year's scholarship situation? If Otule is granted a 6th year of eligibility, and Du. Wilson, Burton, and McKay all end up here, do we have any additional scholarships available?

If Mayo returns and Otule is granted a 6th, we have one available.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 08:43:44 PM
If Mayo returns and Otule is granted a 6th, we have one available.

What are the chances you put on that? Less than 1% or less?

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 18, 2012, 08:08:32 PM
In that case Enlund should have a story in a day or two.

If we're lucky and he decides to get up from his nap.  Or if someone writes it for him.

I do wonder where TJT is going to wind up.  I wish nothing but the best for him.

Quote from: Aughnanure on July 18, 2012, 09:19:41 PM
What are the chances you put on that? Less than 1% or less?

Heh....well actually higher than I would have this afternoon.  I am actually now pretty confident he will be back.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 09:28:35 PM

Heh....well actually higher than I would have this afternoon.  I am actually now pretty confident he will be back.

What's driving the change in opinion in particular?  Do you think MU will handle Mayo differently now?  If so, how?

Quote from: CaptainAwesome on July 18, 2012, 09:30:41 PM
What's driving the change in opinion in particular?  Do you think MU will handle Mayo differently now?  If so, how?

I'm not sure there was a change.  Just different rumors being reported by different people.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 09:32:52 PM

I'm not sure there was a change.  Just different rumors being reported by different people.

Well, you said that the chances of Mayo returning are higher than they were this afternoon in your opinion.  Is that because of the different rumors you're hearing or am I missing something here (as usual)?

Quote from: CaptainAwesome on July 18, 2012, 09:34:36 PM
Well, you said that the chances of Mayo returning are higher than they were this afternoon in your opinion.  Is that because of the different rumors you're hearing or am I missing something here (as usual)?

Yes.  Earlier today there was a bunch of chatter than he wouldn't return.  But it turns out that was likely false.  Don't think it was tied to the events of today.

All I am going to say is that his girl friend now goes to TWU in Denton, roughly 2.5 miles from the UNT campus and Coach Benford.

My guess is he is going back home.

To those who responded to my post, I was not assuming anything. I was only asking, "What if?". Since this is a discussion board. I just thought I would bring up what I have read about, and heard about for the past month or so. TJ could have left for many reasons, but up to the point no one had mentioned this possibility. They mentioned his girlfriend and missing home, but nothing about the possibility of changes in requirements.

I hope those that paint my post as a "conspiracy theory" are right. I hope it is just talk with no substance.  I want recruits, our current players, and our coaching staff to feel this is the best environment for success in the classroom and on the basketball court. Crean and Buzz have created an unbelievable program, and I just don't want something to upset the course we are on. I just asked "IF" this could be a possibility. Forgive me for upsetting some of the fanbase. That wasn't my intention.

GO MU!

Even with TJ Taylor and Mayo, we were going to have trouble replacing the scoring (in general) and outside shooting (in particular) of Jae and DJO.

Like everybody else, I'm still hoping Mayo comes back. Still, it's only accurate to call Mayo a "proven 3-point shooter" if one doesn't count most of the 2012 Big East season as proof. And who really knew what we'd be getting in Taylor?

It's going to be an interesting team next season, truly will test Buzz more than ever. If, of course, he doesn't leave at midseason to coach SMU.

Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2012, 10:35:43 PM
Even with TJ Taylor and Mayo, we were going to have trouble replacing the scoring (in general) and outside shooting (in particular) of Jae and DJO.

Like everybody else, I'm still hoping Mayo comes back. Still, it's only accurate to call Mayo a "proven 3-point shooter" if one doesn't count most of the 2012 Big East season as proof. And who really knew what we'd be getting in Taylor?

It's going to be an interesting team next season, truly will test Buzz more than ever. If, of course, he doesn't leave at midseason to coach SMU.

My sources - who I am not prepared to identify and who informed me in an email that I did not ask for permission to disclose - assure me that coach Brown will stay at SMU for the entire 2012-13 season.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 18, 2012, 08:07:29 PM

OK, yeah it is a lot like Roseboro.  Newbill is different because he was never enrolled.

Thanks.

Not only that, but Newbill never even filled out the paperwork.

Quote from: forgetful on July 18, 2012, 10:56:07 PM
Not only that, but Newbill never even filled out the paperwork.

I guess he was forgetful...... ;)

*Eye witness source I have said he/she saw this happen outside Real Chili*

Larry Williams:  You ready to quit Mayo?  
Mayo: NO SIR!!

LW: Pfft...look over at Garrett Swanson, he decided to stay instead of taking liberty this summer.  He may not make it through the program, but he's got more HEART and more CHARACTER THEN YOU'LL EVER HAVE. And stop eye balling me boy!!

I looked through your FILES, I done some checking, heard about your mama.

Be proud of those rings, they're the only ones you're gonna leave here with MAYO-NAISSE!


Not sounding good guys.

At the time, was Larry Williams wearing a hat that looked like this?

(http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/390441210988_1_0_1.jpg)

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/mu-recruit-taylor-makes-quick-exit-ju663a7-162979126.html

What do you know, Enlund with a timely story... oh wait, that's not Enlund. It's Badgerboy Jeff Potrykus. Makes complete sense to put a Badger fan on a hitjob. 

His "source" sounds really credible though. Probably used one of the posts here or on the other boards. 
"A Marquette source said Wednesday that Taylor, a native of Denison, Texas, was homesick. The source noted there were posts on Taylor's Twitter account referring to personal issues back home."

Quote from: LittleMurs on July 18, 2012, 11:36:07 PM
At the time, was Larry Williams wearing a hat that looked like this?

(http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/390441210988_1_0_1.jpg)

I'll have to ask but probably.   Bald guys will cover their dome with anything.

You don't even want to hear what LW had to say to TJ Taylor...something about steers.

Quote from: pux90mex on July 18, 2012, 11:38:22 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/mu-recruit-taylor-makes-quick-exit-ju663a7-162979126.html

What do you know, Enlund with a timely story... oh wait, that's not Enlund. It's Badgerboy Jeff Potrykus. Makes complete sense to put a Badger fan on a hitjob. 

His "source" sounds really credible though. Probably used one of the posts here or on the other boards. 
"A Marquette source said Wednesday that Taylor, a native of Denison, Texas, was homesick. The source noted there were posts on Taylor's Twitter account referring to personal issues back home."

Potrykus just couldn't resist taking a jab by referencing Newbill and Durley.

And did he really cite an unnamed course that cited Twitter?  That guy is such a hack.

careful you doom and gloomers-jake "the snake" thomas will emerge to become our "sniper" i believe better than steve novak without the height ;)  watch his you tube stuff-he's got a bomb!!

From what I have seen of Jake in the Pro-Am he is incredibly streaky. There will be times he could give us 12 points in 3 minutes and other times where he misses a good portion of his shots. I think he will be a good player. None of us really knew what TJ would bring to the program. I wish him the best of luck, but for him to tie down a scholarship that long and just leave would be classless.

Buzz is a pretty cunning guy. I still believe we see a commitment in the next couple of weeks from some higher profile guy. Maybe the transfer from Miami that was mentioned. Who knows? We lost a guy that would give us a marginal amount of time. If Mayo doesn't return on top of TJ's transfer it is a different story. If that happens we have Vander playing close to 35 minutes a game and defenses playing the zone on us all the time due to our lack of three point threats.

hags, you seem to be inferring that Taylor was "Buzz Cut."  There is no evidence to suggest this was the case.  

And let me just say that if we did bring (another) guy to campus only to let him go after two weeks, that I would be EXTREMELY disappointed.

I don't know what to make of TJ. His twitter seemed to indicate something going on.

2 days before the release he said: Cut me loose idc

I don't think you can consider it Buzz cut especially on a kid who hadn't even been cleared yet. We know that he seemed happy to be coming here. Was he Buzz Cut? or was he he Larry'd? A kid that was struggling to be cleared doesn't seem to fit in with the LW's agenda. Just saying.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 19, 2012, 08:16:08 AM
hags, you seem to be inferring that Taylor was "Buzz Cut."  There is no evidence to suggest this was the case.  

And let me just say that if we did bring (another) guy to campus only to let him go after two weeks, that I would be EXTREMELY disappointed.

If we let go of a guy with clearinghouse issues for a top 100 transfer I would be pretty happy. I don't buy into the whole release thing being a huge issue. It's a big money business at the end of the day, MU wouldn't be what it is without basketball.

Why do we keep saying he wasn't "cleared?"  To be on scholarship and living on campus means that he was cleared...by both the NCAA and the University.  (Unless he was paying his way.)  There is no indication whatsoever that academics were an issue.  To use an example, this is why Mayo didn't participate in the Pro-Am last year - he was not on campus because he had trouble getting through the clearinghouse.

It seems from reading his twitter is that he no longer wanted to be here.  "Cutting someone loose" is a mutual decision - perhaps he approached Buzz about it a few days ago and it took a couple days to mull it over.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 19, 2012, 08:25:41 AM
If we let go of a guy with clearinghouse issues for a top 100 transfer I would be pretty happy.

Cura Personalis.....unless it is for the benefit of the basketball program.

sounds like he missed his mommy and buzz ain't no ones mommy

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 19, 2012, 08:27:56 AM
Why do we keep saying he wasn't "cleared?"  To be on scholarship and living on campus means that he was cleared...by both the NCAA and the University.  (Unless he was paying his way.)  There is no indication whatsoever that academics were an issue.

It seems from reading his twitter is that he no longer wanted to be here.  "Cutting someone loose" is a mutual decision - perhaps he approached Buzz about it a few days ago and it took a couple days to mull it over.

I was just repeating what others said about not being cleared. I didn't see anything to support that claim. I am not saying MU should just cut guys loose, but if TJ wasn't committed I think MU can do what they want when they are providing him with free tuition, and the innumerable perks of being a MU basketball player. Even if a player fails to do what a coach requests in terms of summer workouts we should have the right to part ways with him. It is a contract and both parties should benefit from it.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 19, 2012, 08:24:15 AM
A kid that was struggling to be cleared doesn't seem to fit in with the LW's agenda. Just saying.

#1 We have no idea if TJT was struggling to be cleared. None. No indication. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

#2 The "LW agenda" is something that has really been created on this board. It's been pieced together via various media quotes, rumors about Buzz leaving, alleged email from Buzz to Ners, and rumors of academic changes. We don't have any facts or on-the-record statements from LW about a new agenda, yet it gets purported and even promoted that there is a "LW Agenda".

#3 STOP. It's ok to say "I don't know". I don't know why TJT is leaving. Buzz says it's for personal reasons. Fine. I'll have to accept that for now as there is no indication otherwise. We don't need to make crap up. That's not speculation, that's just making crap up.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 19, 2012, 08:27:56 AM
Why do we keep saying he wasn't "cleared?"  To be on scholarship and living on campus means that he was cleared...by both the NCAA and the University.  (Unless he was paying his way.)  There is no indication whatsoever that academics were an issue.  To use an example, this is why Mayo didn't participate in the Pro-Am last year - he was not on campus because he had trouble getting through the clearinghouse.

It seems from reading his twitter is that he no longer wanted to be here.  "Cutting someone loose" is a mutual decision - perhaps he approached Buzz about it a few days ago and it took a couple days to mull it over.

I would think if any player that came in and asked Buzz for his release, Buzz would say take a couple of days to think about it and if you still want to leave I will release you.

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on July 19, 2012, 08:53:50 AM
#1 We have no idea if TJT was struggling to be cleared. None. No indication. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

#2 The "LW agenda" is something that has really been created on this board. It's been pieced together via various media quotes, rumors about Buzz leaving, alleged email from Buzz to Ners, and rumors of academic changes. We don't have any facts or on-the-record statements from LW about a new agenda, yet it gets purported and even promoted that there is a "LW Agenda".

#3 STOP. It's ok to say "I don't know". I don't know why TJT is leaving. Buzz says it's for personal reasons. Fine. I'll have to accept that for now as there is no indication otherwise. We don't need to make crap up. That's not speculation, that's just making crap up.

Well this is a message board. People come on here to read opinions. If I wanted the news I would go to a different site. It isn't as fun when there are named sources and cold hard facts.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 19, 2012, 08:24:15 AM
I don't know what to make of TJ. His twitter seemed to indicate something going on.

2 days before the release he said: Cut me loose idc

I don't think you can consider it Buzz cut especially on a kid who hadn't even been cleared yet. We know that he seemed happy to be coming here. Was he Buzz Cut? or was he he Larry'd? A kid that was struggling to be cleared doesn't seem to fit in with the LW's agenda. Just saying.

He would have gone through the clearinghouse before his freshman season at Oklahoma.  If he hadn't passed then, he would have had to play two years at a JUCO and earn an associates degree before becomming eligible at a D1 school.  

Everyone getting on me for the clearinghouse and being cleared stuff...I got it from Paint Touches yesterday

Paint Touches ‏@PaintTouches
Wonder if eligibility was an issue was T.J. Taylor, who was rumored to have not been cleared by the Clearinghouse yet.

@trebby being cleared just means you can't play, not necessarily grades related or eligible.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 19, 2012, 09:04:13 AM
Well this is a message board. People come on here to read opinions. If I wanted the news I would go to a different site. It isn't as fun when there are named sources and cold hard facts.

Yea, but you aren't speculating, you are making crap up.

There is a difference.

If TJT ends up at a school closer to home, then feel free to speculate that he was homesick, because then you will have some facts to support that.

Right now, we have nothing, and it's ok to say that.

If he did choose to leave, that's a scumbag move. e probably wouldn't have made it through Buzz's bootcamp anyway.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 19, 2012, 08:33:48 AM
I was just repeating what others said about not being cleared. I didn't see anything to support that claim. I am not saying MU should just cut guys loose, but if TJ wasn't committed I think MU can do what they want when they are providing him with free tuition, and the innumerable perks of being a MU basketball player. Even if a player fails to do what a coach requests in terms of summer workouts we should have the right to part ways with him. It is a contract and both parties should benefit from it.

Opinions are great and it can make this board a lot of fun. But when you write something like your first two sentences, my shoulders cringe at the idiocy.

Couple that with your (and others') pestering of the kid through Twitter and it's no shock to see people suck hard these days.

I'm not sure what you guys are all getting in a fit about.

My guess is that TJ didn't realize how hard he would have to work his ass off (also getting yelled at constantly) on a daily basis, and that basketball plus school leaves very little free time.  That mixed with a combination of missing home and his gf... and there is probably your answer.

I don't think everyone should be looking for a single answer since things are rarely that simple.

I think paint touches is wrong. My understanding is that you cannot accept any benefit if you aren't cleared. He was living on campus.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 19, 2012, 09:39:28 AM
I think paint touches is wrong. My understanding is that you cannot accept any benefit if you aren't cleared. He was living on campus.

I swear that I remember players starting the first semester while still waiting to be cleared in the past.  I remember hearing how the basketball players had to wait because the NCAA spent the summer prioritizing clearing the football guys.

I'm just basing it on the conversations regarding mayo from last year.  That's why he wasn't around during the summer. 

Quote from: LittleMurs on July 19, 2012, 09:45:54 AM
I swear that I remember players starting the first semester while still waiting to be cleared in the past.  I remember hearing how the basketball players had to wait because the NCAA spent the summer prioritizing clearing the football guys.

Hayward was one of them. He had to pay his own way until cleared.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 19, 2012, 09:39:28 AM
I think paint touches is wrong. My understanding is that you cannot accept any benefit if you aren't cleared. He was living on campus.

Paint Touches may well be wrong, but should we be calling someone out for "making stuff up" (Ammo directly, others indirectly) who uses Paint Touches as a source?

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 19, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
Paint Touches may well be wrong, but should we be calling someone out for "making stuff up" (Ammo directly, others indirectly) who uses Paint Touches as a source?

I'll go on record:

I'm sensitive about this type of stuff because immediate speculation without some facts leads to a bunch on nonsense, and honestly reflects poorly on everybody here.

We don't know anything about TJT (yet). But, that won't stop us from saying that maybe LW ran him off campus because TJT couldn't make the grades, or maybe Buzz ran him off because TJT wasn't tough enough.

I mean, really?

Paint Touches had tweet about the clearinghouse, which is far different than implying that MU Academic-Gestapo ran him out of school.

Maybe Larry and Pilarz carried his bunk out in the middle of the night like Willie Mays Hayes.

I think a clearing house issue would have been mentioned. Besides that there was plently of time to straighten out a clearing house issue. We had that with Mbao and Hayward that went into September. Other school's players have had clearing house issues go into September. It is just not logical to think it is a clearing house issue. I do not know, but my guess home sickness along with an injured shoulder just made him think it was not worth it.

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on July 19, 2012, 10:04:29 AM
I'll go on record:

I'm sensitive about this type of stuff because immediate speculation without some facts leads to a bunch on nonsense, and honestly reflects poorly on everybody here.

We don't know anything about TJT (yet). But, that won't stop us from saying that maybe LW ran him off campus because TJT couldn't make the grades, or maybe Buzz ran him off because TJT wasn't tough enough.

I mean, really?

Paint Touches had tweet about the clearinghouse, which is far different than implying that MU Academic-Gestapo ran him out of school.

Maybe Larry and Pilarz carried his bunk out in the middle of the night like Willie Mays Hayes.

I mean, really? This is by far the most over the top, off the wall post in the entire thread.

Quote from: bilsu on July 19, 2012, 10:22:51 AM
I think a clearing house issue would have been mentioned. Besides that there was plently of time to straighten out a clearing house issue. We had that with Mbao and Hayward that went into September. Other school's players have had clearing house issues go into September. It is just not logical to think it is a clearing house issue. I do not know, but my guess home sickness along with an injured shoulder just made him think it was not worth it.

TJ was a qualifier out of HS in going to OK, so I really don't think he would be subject to the NCAAs 2-4 rules for transfer...?  Besides, he was already on campus, so MU would have checked that out.  He would need transferable credits to meet his MU requirements though.  In the end, its for whatever personal reasons as Buzz said.

It's getting a little annoying to hear about all these departures. I'm a big Buzz guy, but this turnover is ridiculous. By my count, 10 of the 26 guys that Buzz has signed up to the current class have either left or not made it to campus (Mbao, Roseboro, Maymom, E Williams, Smith, Jones, Newbill, T Taylor, Durley, McMorrow). This doesn't include Mayo which seems like a 50/50 bet to be on the team next year. Not to mention that fact that a lot of the remaining guys haven't completed their eligibility yet, so who knows how many more of that remaining 11 will leave (Butler, Fulce, Buycks, DJO, and Jae are done) before their eligibility is up. I know some of these have underlying circumstance and it's understandable that a team will have some transfers as not all 13 guys can play, but I can't imagine their are many high-level teams that have as much turnover as this. Some roster turnover is expected, but this is becoming somewhat of a disturbing trend in my opinion.


This does also not include Hazel, N Williams, Ty Taylor, Mbakwe, Christopherson. None of those guys were signed by Buzz and I think almost everybody gives Buzz a pass on those guys, especially since 3 of them never even played a game under Buzz (Mbakwe) or asked for their release when Buzz became coach (N Williams, Ty Taylor)

Quote from: Nukem2 on July 19, 2012, 10:37:34 AM
TJ was a qualifier out of HS in going to OK, so I really don't think he would be subject to the NCAAs 2-4 rules for transfer...?  Besides, he was already on campus, so MU would have checked that out.  He would need transferable credits to meet his MU requirements though.  In the end, its for whatever personal reasons as Buzz said.

And Marquette stated he had "withdrawn" from school...so clearly not about admittance or qualifying issues.

This isnt a good way to wake up.  :'(. Wasnt on here yesterday so I didnt here this news. Found his girlfriends twitter.

Emily Thompson ✌‏@emilyyynichole

@chenz80 are you serious?! I'm the LAST reason he came home. You might wanna learn the facts before you speak! I wanted him to stay...

Mike_Thiel

#mubb RT @prepbullseye: Marquette AC Isaac Chew joins Buzz Williams courtside to watch Meanstreets 6'2 '13 2G Kendrick Nunn their top target

about 1 hour ago

Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on July 19, 2012, 11:38:57 AM
Mike_Thiel

#mubb RT @prepbullseye: Marquette AC Isaac Chew joins Buzz Williams courtside to watch Meanstreets 6'2 '13 2G Kendrick Nunn their top target

about 1 hour ago

That get would turn this offseason from a C into an A very quickly.

Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 19, 2012, 11:45:53 AM
That get would turn this offseason from a C into an A very quickly.

Exactly, everyone will forget to be "outraged" about this in due time.

Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on July 19, 2012, 11:38:57 AM
Mike_Thiel

#mubb RT @prepbullseye: Marquette AC Isaac Chew joins Buzz Williams courtside to watch Meanstreets 6'2 '13 2G Kendrick Nunn their top target

about 1 hour ago

As long as we're just throwing crap at the wall, I want to throw another suggestion out there. I don't think that just one thing is reason Taylor left, but another possibility to add to the others is that maybe there's a very good chance Mayo won't be back, and things are going well with Nunn (hell maybe things are going well with Nunn even if Mayo will be back). This left Taylor feeling immediately recruited over, and he saw the writing on the wall that there would be little time for him if Nunn came and next to none if both Nunn and Mayo were on the roster.

Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on July 19, 2012, 11:11:31 AM
This isnt a good way to wake up.  :'(. Wasnt on here yesterday so I didnt here this news. Found his girlfriends twitter.

Emily Thompson ✌‏@emilyyynichole

@chenz80 are you serious?! I'm the LAST reason he came home. You might wanna learn the facts before you speak! I wanted him to stay...

If that is legit, sounds like it was TJT's decision,  and just his, to leave.

Buzz and chew would be watching nunn no matter if TJT left or not. They are not linked.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 19, 2012, 12:30:52 PM
Buzz and chew would be watching nunn no matter if TJT left or not. They are not linked.

maybe not for Buzz/Chew/the program, but maybe for TJT they are?

Quote from: jmayer1 on July 19, 2012, 10:41:57 AM
It's getting a little annoying to hear about all these departures. I'm a big Buzz guy, but this turnover is ridiculous. By my count, 10 of the 26 guys that Buzz has signed up to the current class have either left or not made it to campus (Mbao, Roseboro, Maymom, E Williams, Smith, Jones, Newbill, T Taylor, Durley, McMorrow). This doesn't include Mayo which seems like a 50/50 bet to be on the team next year. Not to mention that fact that a lot of the remaining guys haven't completed their eligibility yet, so who knows how many more of that remaining 11 will leave (Butler, Fulce, Buycks, DJO, and Jae are done) before their eligibility is up. I know some of these have underlying circumstance and it's understandable that a team will have some transfers as not all 13 guys can play, but I can't imagine their are many high-level teams that have as much turnover as this. Some roster turnover is expected, but this is becoming somewhat of a disturbing trend in my opinion.


This does also not include Hazel, N Williams, Ty Taylor, Mbakwe, Christopherson. None of those guys were signed by Buzz and I think almost everybody gives Buzz a pass on those guys, especially since 3 of them never even played a game under Buzz (Mbakwe) or asked for their release when Buzz became coach (N Williams, Ty Taylor)

10 of 26 is less than the 40% national turnover rate over 2 year time frames that writers having bieen noting recently.  Sound like MU is rather average.

Quote from: Nukem2 on July 19, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
10 of 26 is less than the 40% national turnover rate over 2 year time frames that writers having bieen noting recently.  Sound like MU is rather average.

you beat me to posting the same

I do think being recruited over may be part of it. We already have two players committed for 2013 that I would expect to get playing time ahead of him. Also, McKay, if you project him as a small forward. It certainly looks like MU is still recruiting other guards for 2013 that could also get playing time ahead of Taylor. Taylor seeing that would either have to leave now, so he does not have to sit out and lose a year or accept the likely hood he would be a bench warmer. That of course is making the assumption that he is not a great player.

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 19, 2012, 09:12:58 AM
Opinions are great and it can make this board a lot of fun. But when you write something like your first two sentences, my shoulders cringe at the idiocy.

Couple that with your (and others') pestering of the kid through Twitter and it's no shock to see people suck hard these days.

Pestering on twitter? Twitter is made for communication, it is a social network...I asked him a question. I saw that stuff on twitter myself, I think it could have contributed to it. Paint Touches addressed the clearinghouse. As I said before I am saying what I saw.

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on July 19, 2012, 10:04:29 AM
I'll go on record:

I'm sensitive about this type of stuff because immediate speculation without some facts leads to a bunch on nonsense, and honestly reflects poorly on everybody here.

We don't know anything about TJT (yet). But, that won't stop us from saying that maybe LW ran him off campus because TJT couldn't make the grades, or maybe Buzz ran him off because TJT wasn't tough enough.

I mean, really?

Paint Touches had tweet about the clearinghouse, which is far different than implying that MU Academic-Gestapo ran him out of school.

Maybe Larry and Pilarz carried his bunk out in the middle of the night like Willie Mays Hayes.

Yeah the New York Times, ESPN, and Chicago Tribune reference this website. We wouldn't want to speculate falsely on anything on here. It is an anonymous message board. If something reflects negatively on the username of an individual they make a new one. I mean really? Gestapo is not a synonym for President and Athletic director, and I would hardly qualify the AD as a member of Marquette University's Academic Leaders.

In addition I am almost 100% positive Kiwi Gardner did not qualify/ wasn't cleared at Providence last year and stayed the whole basketball season.

Quote from: Red Stripe on July 19, 2012, 01:37:25 PM
you beat me to posting the same

Yeah, actually I guess I have seen that figure as well. I stand corrected, maybe it just seems like a lot to me. I felt more squirmy than I should have! (although there are still 11 players that could leave and 1 more would put us over the average)

Quote from: jmayer1 on July 19, 2012, 10:41:57 AM
It's getting a little annoying to hear about all these departures. I'm a big Buzz guy, but this turnover is ridiculous. By my count, 10 of the 26 guys that Buzz has signed up to the current class have either left or not made it to campus (Mbao, Roseboro, Maymom, E Williams, Smith, Jones, Newbill, T Taylor, Durley, McMorrow). This doesn't include Mayo which seems like a 50/50 bet to be on the team next year. Not to mention that fact that a lot of the remaining guys haven't completed their eligibility yet, so who knows how many more of that remaining 11 will leave (Butler, Fulce, Buycks, DJO, and Jae are done) before their eligibility is up. I know some of these have underlying circumstance and it's understandable that a team will have some transfers as not all 13 guys can play, but I can't imagine their are many high-level teams that have as much turnover as this. Some roster turnover is expected, but this is becoming somewhat of a disturbing trend in my opinion.
under Buzz (Mbakwe) or asked for their release when Buzz became coach (N Williams, Ty Taylor)

I'm with you on this one, but I think we're in the minority here.

Ouch via NBC Sports

"Williams does have a track record here. He pulled DJ Newbill's scholarship in July two summers ago and did the same thing three months ago to Aaron Durley to clear scholarship space for Trent Lockett. Losing Taylor means that Williams will be able to sign Kendrick Nunn this fall without having to worry about scholarship totals next summer.

It will be interesting to see the reaction from the national media for this move. Williams is VERY will-liked by the folks covering college hoops (I include myself in that group), but this is starting to become a trend."

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/18/juco-transfer-tj-taylor-leaves-marquette-weeks-after-enrolling/

Quote from: Aughnanure on July 19, 2012, 02:44:43 PM
Ouch via NBC Sports

"Williams does have a track record here. He pulled DJ Newbill's scholarship in July two summers ago and did the same thing three months ago to Aaron Durley to clear scholarship space for Trent Lockett. Losing Taylor means that Williams will be able to sign Kendrick Nunn this fall without having to worry about scholarship totals next summer.

It will be interesting to see the reaction from the national media for this move. Williams is VERY will-liked by the folks covering college hoops (I include myself in that group), but this is starting to become a trend."

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/18/juco-transfer-tj-taylor-leaves-marquette-weeks-after-enrolling/

SLANDER!

With Jones transferring out we did not need Durley's scholarship to bring in Lockett. Assuming Mayo does not come back we do not need Taylor's scholarship to sign Nunn. Given that you can oversign, you would not need any currently available scholarship to sign Nunn.

Even if Mayo returns, with no TJT transfer we have room to sign Nunn.  Otule won't be official until after the season is over next year.

Quote from: Nukem2 on July 19, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
10 of 26 is less than the 40% national turnover rate over 2 year time frames that writers having bieen noting recently.  Sound like MU is rather average.

Do you have a link for that 40% turnover rate?

Quote from: LAZER on July 19, 2012, 03:28:02 PM
Do you have a link for that 40% turnover rate?

There have been a number of articles on that.  Google the subject.....Use NCAA 40% transfer rate and Google has a lot of references to that...including NCAA chief Mark Emmert....

Quote from: Aughnanure on July 19, 2012, 02:44:43 PM
Ouch via NBC Sports

"Williams does have a track record here. He pulled DJ Newbill's scholarship in July two summers ago and did the same thing three months ago to Aaron Durley to clear scholarship space for Trent Lockett. Losing Taylor means that Williams will be able to sign Kendrick Nunn this fall without having to worry about scholarship totals next summer.

It will be interesting to see the reaction from the national media for this move. Williams is VERY will-liked by the folks covering college hoops (I include myself in that group), but this is starting to become a trend."

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/18/juco-transfer-tj-taylor-leaves-marquette-weeks-after-enrolling/

Anyone who uses a whiney Badger blog post (http://www.olympichockeyblog.com/madtownbadgers/articles/other/bo-ryan-buzz-williams-and-selective-media-outrage.html) about Durley versus Uthoff as evidence of "wrongdoing" is not worth taking seriously on this topic.

Quote from: Nukem2 on July 19, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
10 of 26 is less than the 40% national turnover rate over 2 year time frames that writers having bieen noting recently.  Sound like MU is rather average.

I think you'e got our new motto.  "Marquette Basketball. We strive to be rather average." 

Quote from: The Equalizer on July 19, 2012, 03:46:28 PM
I think you'e got our new motto.  "Marquette Basketball. We strive to be rather average."  

I was unaware being #1 in players not transferring was something we wanted to strive for.

Quote from: The Equalizer on July 19, 2012, 03:46:28 PM
I think you'e got our new motto.  "Marquette Basketball. We strive to be rather average." 

So MU is right around 40% 2 year mark, but well above the ~10.7% 1 year mark, I'm running this one through my head...

Quote from: Aughnanure on July 19, 2012, 03:48:32 PM
I was unaware being #1 in players not transferring was something we wanted to strive for.

In this day and age, I am starting to think transfers are a good thing. If I were a EW or Mellow, I'd rather go somewhere I could succeed and play than just keep the bench warm for those moments when Jae or Jamil needed a rest. And if I'm Marquette, I'd rather have open scholarships to improve the opportunity to upgrade the roster. Transfers generally means you have guys doing well early on, which encourages the transfer, and you are bringing in players hungry for minutes, which likely means while they are here there is good competition in practice as well as on the court.

Bottom line, it's not the 1980s anymore. Guys are going to move on and I'd rather have a coach and program that recognizes that truth and is proactive than a school that feels blindsided by every departure.

Quote from: bilsu on July 19, 2012, 01:55:41 PM
I do think being recruited over may be part of it. We already have two players committed for 2013 that I would expect to get playing time ahead of him. Also, McKay, if you project him as a small forward. It certainly looks like MU is still recruiting other guards for 2013 that could also get playing time ahead of Taylor. Taylor seeing that would either have to leave now, so he does not have to sit out and lose a year or accept the likely hood he would be a bench warmer. That of course is making the assumption that he is not a great player.

Our everyday (at least healthy) centers for the last 3 years have been (generously, in shoes, listed) 6'6". The day Marquette has a 6'10" guy playing small forward is the day hell freezes over.

Pretty pathetic article regarding Taylor's transfer. No matter the case, certain people are going to draw conclusions based on the past couple of years. That's unfortunate, but I believe in Buzz and the program!

I sure hope "Guns n Ammo" jumps on the national NBC media site, and makes it known how he feels about this national article that is coming up with "conspiracy theories" regarding Buzz. I know he jumped all over me yesterday just for only asking a question regarding the new administration on what was happening regarding TJ Taylor. I look forward to seeing what he will write to Rob Dauster. No comments yet!

GO MU!

The Denton,TX paper says he never found a comfort zone in Milwaukee and was real close with Benford. Needs a waiver to
play for the Mean Green this year, plus they are full up on schollies. I think it was a bad move for his future. I don't
think he was being recruited over.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 19, 2012, 01:58:33 PM
Pestering on twitter? Twitter is made for communication, it is a social network...I asked him a question. I saw that stuff on twitter myself, I think it could have contributed to it. Paint Touches addressed the clearinghouse. As I said before I am saying what I saw.

It's debatable. It's like having your phone number in the phone book. You want to stay connected to all your friends and want them to be able to get a hold of you. You don't necessarily want a completely random stranger, who you never talked to, asking about your girlfriend. There's etiquette to every social setting and you are well into the gray area.

Quote from: Blueprint on July 19, 2012, 05:40:15 PM
The Denton,TX paper says he never found a comfort zone in Milwaukee

In two weeks???

Yeah, I could see if he gave it a few months and still didn't find a comfort zone, but making a final decision after just 2 weeks is really juvenile -- even for a college kid.

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2012/07/t-j-taylor-update.html/

T.J. Taylor update
By Brett Vito
bvito@dentonrc.com
4:55 pm on July 19, 2012 | Permalink
The saga of former Denison standout T.J. Taylor continued to become even more bizarre on Thursday when news came down that he had left Marquette. It's the second school he has been at briefly without playing for either.

He also spent some time at Oklahoma.

This is where it could get interesting for UNT.

New UNT head coach Tony Benford recruited Taylor when he was an assistant coach at Marquette. A source close to the situation said that Benford has a good relationship with both Taylor and his family.

Nothing has transpired yet, but there is a chance that Taylor could end up at UNT.

Remember, I said a chance.

At this point, Taylor has a few options.

One would be returning to junior college. After Taylor left Oklahoma, he landed at Paris JC and played for Chuck Taylor, who just so happens to be a former UNT assistant coach under Johnny Jones. Taylor spent one year at Paris and does have the option of playing a second year at the school.

Taylor could enroll at UNT, but if he does, he would need a waiver to play immediately. That's something he wouldn't need if he headed to Paris.

UNT is also full in terms of scholarships for next season. Taylor could pay his own way for a year or UNT could try to get another player to pay his way to make room.

What makes the possibility of Taylor ending up at UNT so intriguing is that he seems to be a perfect fit for several reasons.

– First off, the one hole UNT seems to have in what is generally considered to be potentially the best team in school history is a lack of outside shooting. Brandan Walton shot a very respectable 36.7 percent from 3-point range last season, but he was the only guard on UNT's roster returning who was a consistent shooter from 3-point range. Jacob Holmen shot 33.3 percent, but at 6-8 is more of a mid-range player. UNT didn't have a player ranked in the top 15 in the Sun Belt in 3-point field goal percentage last season. Tony Mitchell, UNT's star 6-8 forward shot 43.9 percent, but didn't have enough attempts to qualify for the Sun Belt leaders. Taylor shot 33 percent from 3-point range at Paris and hit 48 3s in 27 games.

– UNT will have to rebuild after this season. UNT has five seniors, plus Mitchell, who is all but certain to declare for the NBA Draft. There are still some good players who will be back after this season, including Jordan Williams and Chris Jones, but there will be plenty of holes to fill. With Walton leaving after the upcoming season, finding a shooting guard has to be a priority. UNT has three players who have committed to sign in the 2013 class — Tony Nunn, Anthony Norris and Arthur Casimiro. All three are projected to play on UNT's front line. Taylor would be a perfect fit with what UNT has returning and the signees in place, especially considering Chris Jones and P.J. Hardwick will be back to handle the point guard spot.

– By all accounts, one of the problems Taylor has run into is finding a comfort zone away from home. UNT seems like a good fit from the distance perspective. Denison is pretty much right up the road, but also far enough away that it would give him some distance from his family.

We will have to see what transpires over the next week or so, but there does seem to be at least a possibility that UNT might end up being Taylor's third Division I school, and you know what they say about the third time. Sometimes, it's a charm.

One year of academics and working on his fourth college. Pretty clear that close to home is a good choice for TJT.  Be sure Tony will ride his arse just as hard a Buzz did from what I read from the UNT players.  Hope TJ understands that.

Quote from: hoops12 on July 19, 2012, 04:54:54 PM
Pretty pathetic article regarding Taylor's transfer. No matter the case, certain people are going to draw conclusions based on the past couple of years. That's unfortunate, but I believe in Buzz and the program!

I sure hope "Guns n Ammo" jumps on the national NBC media site, and makes it known how he feels about this national article that is coming up with "conspiracy theories" regarding Buzz. I know he jumped all over me yesterday just for only asking a question regarding the new administration on what was happening regarding TJ Taylor. I look forward to seeing what he will write to Rob Dauster. No comments yet!

GO MU!

i thought bilsu summed it up pretty well...kind of messes up the conspiracy theories...

Quote from: PTM on July 19, 2012, 02:48:53 PM
SLANDER!

LIBEL!

(Slander typically needs to be spoken, libel written)

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/babyborg/Miscellaneous%20pics/themoreyouknow.gif)

So much for the Sweet 16 rings doing there Job...

Quote from: JDuquaine on July 19, 2012, 07:56:45 PM
So much for the Sweet 16 rings doing there Job...

The sweet sixteen rings were doing a fantastic job until some posters here dared to put them into question!

Comments from TJ when he signed with MU:

"When it comes to my family, friends and teammates, I am a man of my word and I will stick with you through anything. I will always be there and I will always have your back." Those are some pretty strong words, and are right in line for a player who is to join a team whose battle cry this year has been "Grind Together, Shine Together"."

Yeah right...

QuoteYeah right...

  No need to bash the kid. Regardless of why he left if he wasn't 110% in with Buzz, the program, and his teammates then we wish him well and pick up a player that wants to be here.
 
  Transfers happen and Buzz and co. have been continuously recruiting which allows us some more room to sign Nunn and others. However, it does leave us shorthanded at the guard position for 2012-13.

"However, it does leave us shorthanded at the guard position for 2012-13."

My point exactly.  Complete contradiction of what he said when he signed - that he was a man of his word, will stick with you thru anything, will always have his teammates back.  TJ was no doubt needed this year by his team, especially with the Mayo situation up in the air.  Bailed after 2 weeks.  Better now than later, I agree.  But let's pretend we got his best effort.

What is all this "wish the kid well" junk?

There is something goofy with him, and he has f*cked with the program.    At best he made a bad decision chosing MU.   At worst, he wussed out, not even giving it a shot.  He needs to be accountable.

I don't wish the kid ill.   I guess I am ambivalent at best.  Go on home wuss.

I know he left us in a lurch and he SHOULD'VE looked at a map before committing, but you really don't want someone - who doesn't want to be at Marquette - on the team.

Happy trails to him.

Nunn...come on down. Major minutes and a future starting position is yours.

In hindsight, it was indeed a big red flag that he went and played Juco for a year.  I know we heard he had made a commitment to play at Paris, Buzz has a good relationship with the coach, etc.  But if a kid isn't excited to get to MU and go to work at the first possible chance he's not worth our time.  Taylor could have taken a scholarship last year and been eligible second semester.  Even if he didn't play, you want the kid working in the program with his coaches and teammates, not delaying his arrival.

Some people... The kid clearly has something going on in his life that we know nothing about. Maybe I'm delusional, but my guess is he didn't plan on "f*cking with the program" for over a year by holding down a scholarship and then leaving after 2 weeks of summer classes. Again, maybe I'm delusional, but I'm guessing the kid knows the roster makeup at the school he was attending and saw the opportunity for minutes that are clearly available. I'd be careful what you call a 19/20 year old kid who clearly has something more going on in his life.

Let's also not forget that we just got a star transfer who wanted to be closer to home because his mom is sick. How do we know that's not the case with TJT? Is Lockett a "wuss" for leaving an already horrible team in a worse situation without him? No, he has personal issues he needs to take care of.

But yeah, TJT has it out for MU (and OU) and just wanted to "f*ck" with us. Forget that he very well could be "f*cking" over his future by doing these things. But you're right, he probably doesn't realize that. Think about it. He's putting his future in serious jeapordy. You DON'T think there's something more than "f*cking with the program" going on in his life? Call me crazy...

He left OU after having serious issues with concussions. Anybody ever hear of Post-Concussion Syndrome? Occurs after sports injuries. Can have some serious long term symptoms. Concussions have been discussed as a possible cause of depression and suicide.

Who knows what is happening? My guess is you don't. None of us do. Buzz, the team, TJT, and TJT's family and friends. There is clearly something going on with TJT, and it is not to screw over MU or because Buzz hurt his feelings by yelling at him.

To not wish the kid well is pretty immature in my opinion. I guarantee Buzz is wishing him well. But whatever floats your boat guys.

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 20, 2012, 10:02:56 AM
I know he left us in a lurch and he SHOULD'VE looked at a map before committing, but you really don't want someone - who doesn't want to be at Marquette - on the team.

Happy trails to him.

Nunn...come on down. Major minutes and a future starting position is yours.

I don't want him @ MU unless he is committed.  

I don't wish him ill, but if I am not wishing him well either.  If I were his parents, I would have made him stick it out for more than 2 weeks.  

I was homesick too, for longer than 2 weeks.  I stuck it out and loved my time at Marquette.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 20, 2012, 10:41:10 AM
Some people... The kid clearly has something going on in his life that we know nothing about. Maybe I'm delusional, but my guess is he didn't plan on "f*cking with the program" for over a year by holding down a scholarship and then leaving after 2 weeks of summer classes. Again, maybe I'm delusional, but I'm guessing the kid knows the roster makeup at the school he was attending and saw the opportunity for minutes that are clearly available. I'd be careful what you call a 19/20 year old kid who clearly has something more going on in his life.

Let's also not forget that we just got a star transfer who wanted to be closer to home because his mom is sick. How do we know that's not the case with TJT? Is Lockett a "wuss" for leaving an already horrible team in a worse situation without him? No, he has personal issues he needs to take care of.

But yeah, TJT has it out for MU (and OU) and just wanted to "f*ck" with us. Forget that he very well could be "f*cking" over his future by doing these things. But you're right, he probably doesn't realize that. Think about it. He's putting his future in serious jeapordy. You DON'T think there's something more than "f*cking with the program" going on in his life? Call me crazy...

He left OU after having serious issues with concussions. Anybody ever hear of Post-Concussion Syndrome? Occurs after sports injuries. Can have some serious long term symptoms. Concussions have been discussed as a possible cause of depression and suicide.

Who knows what is happening? My guess is you don't. None of us do. Buzz, the team, TJT, and TJT's family and friends. There is clearly something going on with TJT, and it is not to screw over MU or because Buzz hurt his feelings by yelling at him.

To not wish the kid well is pretty immature in my opinion. I guarantee Buzz is wishing him well. But whatever floats your boat guys.

Amen!!!  Well said.

Quote from: chapman on July 20, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
In hindsight, it was indeed a big red flag that he went and played Juco for a year. 

Not really. Had he transferred directly to MU, he'd have had to sit out two years of competitive ball (remember, he didn't play at all during his year at Oklahoma). Can't blame the kid, or think it was a red flag, given those circumstances.

At the end of the day, none of us have the first idea why the kid chose to leave. I suppose it's pretty easy to take shots at the kid, call him names, question his manhood, etc. without knowing the whole story, but for all we know he had some very legitimate reasons for going home.

Pretty sure nobody here called Jamil Wilson or Trent Lockett wusses for deciding they didn't want to be hundreds of miles from home.

Some of you are claiming that we don't know if he has some sort of major family issue back home.  True, we dont'.  But if that was the case, why was his girlfriend wanting him to stick it out at MU and not return home?

Quote from: wadesworld on July 20, 2012, 10:41:10 AM
Some people... The kid clearly has something going on in his life that we know nothing about. Maybe I'm delusional, but my guess is he didn't plan on "f*cking with the program" for over a year by holding down a scholarship and then leaving after 2 weeks of summer classes. Who knows what is happening? My guess is you don't. None of us do. Buzz, the team, TJT, and TJT's family and friends. There is clearly something going on with TJT, and it is not to screw over MU or because Buzz hurt his feelings by yelling at him.
To not wish the kid well is pretty immature in my opinion. I guarantee Buzz is wishing him well. But whatever floats your boat guys.

He made a decision that had an adverse effect on Marquette's program.  He is 20 years old, and made a bad decision.  When you make a commitment to a team or an organization, call me old fashioned, you don't bail after two weeks.  You stay around to see how it works out.  If any of your doom and gloom suppositions on what is going on come true.  I will feel bad for TJ.

It looks like he took the easy way out.  It happens to some youngsters.  I don't wish him ill.  I am just not going to cheer him.

Publicly, Buzz has to wish him well, PR 101.  Privately, he is not happy (I guarantee it)

Quote from: PE8983 on July 20, 2012, 10:49:04 AM
Some of you are claiming that we don't know if he has some sort of major family issue back home.  True, we dont'.  But if that was the case, why was his girlfriend wanting him to stick it out at MU and not return home?

Cause she doesn't love him anymore?
Christ .... who cares? Stop playing amateur Columbo.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 20, 2012, 10:41:10 AM
Some people... The kid clearly has something going on in his life that we know nothing about. Maybe I'm delusional, but my guess is he didn't plan on "f*cking with the program" for over a year by holding down a scholarship and then leaving after 2 weeks of summer classes. Again, maybe I'm delusional, but I'm guessing the kid knows the roster makeup at the school he was attending and saw the opportunity for minutes that are clearly available. I'd be careful what you call a 19/20 year old kid who clearly has something more going on in his life.

Let's also not forget that we just got a star transfer who wanted to be closer to home because his mom is sick. How do we know that's not the case with TJT? Is Lockett a "wuss" for leaving an already horrible team in a worse situation without him? No, he has personal issues he needs to take care of.

But yeah, TJT has it out for MU (and OU) and just wanted to "f*ck" with us. Forget that he very well could be "f*cking" over his future by doing these things. But you're right, he probably doesn't realize that. Think about it. He's putting his future in serious jeapordy. You DON'T think there's something more than "f*cking with the program" going on in his life? Call me crazy...

He left OU after having serious issues with concussions. Anybody ever hear of Post-Concussion Syndrome? Occurs after sports injuries. Can have some serious long term symptoms. Concussions have been discussed as a possible cause of depression and suicide.

Who knows what is happening? My guess is you don't. None of us do. Buzz, the team, TJT, and TJT's family and friends. There is clearly something going on with TJT, and it is not to screw over MU or because Buzz hurt his feelings by yelling at him.

To not wish the kid well is pretty immature in my opinion. I guarantee Buzz is wishing him well. But whatever floats your boat guys.

hear hear

Quote from: mu-rara on July 20, 2012, 10:53:51 AM
He made a decision that had an adverse effect on Marquette's program.  He is 20 years old, and made a bad decision.  

How do you know it's a bad decision? Might be the best decision the kid's ever made.
Impressive that without one shred of information about how and why TJT made his decision, you can ascertain he's "taking the easy way out."

QuotePublicly, Buzz has to wish him well, PR 101.  Privately, he is not happy (I guarantee it)

Did Buzz tell you that in an email?

Well this thread took an embarrassing turn. "Wuss???"  Really???  Can we grow up a little and realize we are talking about a 20 year old kid?

"Cause she doesn't love him anymore?
Christ .... who cares? Stop playing amateur Columbo."

If you don't care, why are you still reading this 8 page thread.

And who is the real wuss here?  The player or anonymous message board guy calling a player names on a message board?

Quote from: PE8983 on July 20, 2012, 07:09:56 AM
Comments from TJ when he signed with MU:

"When it comes to my family, friends and teammates, I am a man of my word and I will stick with you through anything. I will always be there and I will always have your back." Those are some pretty strong words, and are right in line for a player who is to join a team whose battle cry this year has been "Grind Together, Shine Together"."

Yeah right...

Ahem, he is not even living up to his own expectations.

Quote from: PE8983 on July 20, 2012, 11:20:34 AM
"Cause she doesn't love him anymore?
Christ .... who cares? Stop playing amateur Columbo."

If you don't care, why are you still reading this 8 page thread.

I'm reading it because I enjoy watching people make themselves look like asshats.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 20, 2012, 11:20:46 AM
And who is the real wuss here?  The player or anonymous message board guy calling a player names on a message board?

OK Sultan.  You are a person of integrity, and I respect your opinion (I think).

I went overboard calling him a wuss.  I still believe he did not give MU a chance, and he made a personal decision that impacted more than just himself.

Apparently I'm in the minority in not knowing the full truth behind why he left.  It's apparantly common knowledge that he left MU high and dry and MU had no say in this decision.  Can someone please catch me up to speed??

Seriously, how do we know the story behind why he left and what the real driving force behind this decision was?  So not only are people concluding that this was 100% his decision, but they're also bashing him for it.  Pretty shortsighted.

Even without Mayo, we have enough guards. This only hurts if one of our remaining guards get injured.

I'm disappointed to see him go, and doubt it will be in either Marquette's or TJ's best interest, but life goes on. Buzz is always recruiting and has managed with far thinner rosters than we'll have without TJ, and even without Mayo if he is also not here. Wish the kid the best and hope he gets his issues sorted.

Quote from: NickelDimer on July 20, 2012, 11:35:02 AM
Apparently I'm in the minority in not knowing the full truth behind why he left.  It's apprantly common knowldge that he left MU high and dry and MU had no say in this decision.  Can someone please catch me up to speed??

I don't know if "common knowledge" is the right term... I'd call it "common speculation" at best.  Right now, what we have amounts to an announcement by Marquette, some twitter twackerin', a rumor that UNT (Benford) may be getting in on T.J., and a boatload of conjecture.  Nobody but T.J. Taylor knows the truth for sure.

QuotePrivately, he is not happy (I guarantee it)

  Why would anyone be happy about a players departure after 2 weeks? I'm not happy he left, especially after two weeks. Yet I'm sure Buzz doesn't mind the additional scholarship it opened up to use for another player from next years class.

Would the fallout here be any different if it came out that Buzzed "axed" Taylor to leave now? Just sayin.

This board is nasty, even by Scoop Standards. Maybe it is because I knew a non-basketball player who came to Marquette from the south (and had a family history with Marquette) and didn't last a month, but I can appreciate TJ Taylor's apprehension at being at Marquette. If he were my son, I never would have let him withdraw, but one has to wonder how he decided on Marquette in the first place if he pulled out this fast.

When I went to MU, I left a home in the mid-south for Milwaukee, a city I'd only been to twice. I grew up in a neighborhood Al McGuire never in a million years would have recruited in -- we had grass, lots of it. I saw what was then Concrete U on the edge of a ghetto and saw an adventure.

Not everybody thinks that way. MU isn't for everyone. I know we're angry given the Mayo situation, but give the kid a break and acknowledge that he's 20 and can make a mistake.

We'll survive and I hope he will too!

Other than war and a bad investment, can't think of an occasion where you want to pull out fast. Not always easy to pull out once you start.

Quote from: mu-rara on July 20, 2012, 11:33:24 AM
OK Sultan.  You are a person of integrity, and I respect your opinion (I think).

I went overboard calling him a wuss.  I still believe he did not give MU a chance, and he made a personal decision that impacted more than just himself.

Right...he's a 20 year old.  It happens.  But let's not come down on the guy when we don't know all of the circumstances.

Yes, he's 20.  But he is of an age where if he makes a commitment, he is expected to keep it.

I won't wish him ill but I won't give him a free pass either.

Quote from: martyconlonontherun on July 19, 2012, 05:48:41 PM
It's debatable. It's like having your phone number in the phone book. You want to stay connected to all your friends and want them to be able to get a hold of you. You don't necessarily want a completely random stranger, who you never talked to, asking about your girlfriend. There's etiquette to every social setting and you are well into the gray area.

You should see what some MU fans were saying to the kid on twitter.

Quote from: jhags15 on July 20, 2012, 02:03:35 PM
You should see what some MU fans were saying to the kid on twitter.

And his girlfriend.

Quote from: AZWarrior on July 20, 2012, 02:02:46 PM
Yes, he's 20.  But he is of an age where if he makes a commitment, he is expected to keep it.

He can also change his mind.  Not the end of the world.  If he doesn't want to be here, Buzz probably doesn't want him around either.

People are way too accessible on the interwebs these days.

Quote from: MU B2002 on July 20, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
People are way too accessible on the interwebs these days.

The real problem is it gave the idiots a voice, and they're dumb enough to think their opinion matters.

Quote from: Bocephys on July 20, 2012, 02:20:47 PM
The real problem is it gave the idiots a voice, and they're dumb enough to think their opinion matters.

Like the Badger troll posing as "Paint Touches" or shall I say "Not Paint Touches" and tweeting TJT.  

http://twitter.com/PaintT0uches (http://twitter.com/PaintT0uches)

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 20, 2012, 02:30:47 PM
Like the Badger troll posing as "Paint Touches" or shall I say "Not Paint Touches" and tweeting TJT.  

http://twitter.com/PaintT0uches (http://twitter.com/PaintT0uches)

It's like reading the comments of a JSOnline article.  I know I shouldn't and I always end up angry, but once I start I spend 15 minutes lost in that world.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 20, 2012, 02:30:47 PM
Like the Badger troll posing as "Paint Touches" or shall I say "Not Paint Touches" and tweeting TJT.  

http://twitter.com/PaintT0uches (http://twitter.com/PaintT0uches)

See.... this is what happens when you ban Chicos.  He goes rogue.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 20, 2012, 02:30:47 PM
Like the Badger troll posing as "Paint Touches" or shall I say "Not Paint Touches" and tweeting TJT.  

http://twitter.com/PaintT0uches (http://twitter.com/PaintT0uches)

TJ was always going to be the lesser Taylor in his class?  I guess so, but also the greatest Taylor in his class since he was the only Taylor in the sophomore class.

He can also change his mind.  Not the end of the world.  If he doesn't want to be here, Buzz probably doesn't want him around either.
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Exactly. People here get apoplectic about kids leaving, ripping either the player or the coach. It's the new reality that transfers happen and they happen frequently. I'm not too concerned whether Buzz, the player or both come to the conclusion that MU isn't the right place for said player. Once that Rubicon has been crossed, though, make it happen now. Better for the player, the team and the program.

Just FYI, TJ is taking an official today at UNT..

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2012/07/taylor-on-campus-today.html/

Quote from: laxtonto on July 26, 2012, 03:27:20 PM
Just FYI, TJ is taking an official today at UNT..

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2012/07/taylor-on-campus-today.html/

Hmmm, with Aki being promoted over, is there some bad blood? The second player poached from Marquette.

Aki is in Memphis.  (Benford is at UNT).  And this is only the first guy that I am aware of.  (Durley is at TCU.)

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 26, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
Aki is in Memphis.  (Benford is at UNT).  And this is only the first guy that I am aware of.  (Durley is at TCU.)

Ok then, good talk.

Looks like everyone's thoughts on UNT were correct...

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I Terrance Taylor will be taking my talents to the University Of North Texas for my last 3 years of college basketball #blessed #MeanGreen

Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 20, 2012, 01:19:54 PM
can't think of an occasion where you want to pull out fast. Not always easy to pull out once you start.

Giggity Giggity

Best of luck to TJ, not at all surprised he landed with Tony. But I hate the whole "I'm taking my talents to..." crap. Just one of those things that makes me think "get over yourself" every time I hear it. If Lebron wasn't cool enough to pull off saying that without getting mocked, what chance does anyone else have?

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 01, 2012, 06:37:24 AM
Best of luck to TJ, not at all surprised he landed with Tony. But I hate the whole "I'm taking my talents to..." crap. Just one of those things that makes me think "get over yourself" every time I hear it. If Lebron wasn't cool enough to pull off saying that without getting mocked, what chance does anyone else have?

Exactly.  And who brags about taking their talents to Denton anyway? 

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 01, 2012, 07:33:32 AM

Exactly.  And who brags about taking their talents to Denton anyway? 

At this point, a walk-on does. 

Have a hunch his talents aren't all that, just sayin'.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 01, 2012, 08:00:23 AM
Have a hunch his talents aren't all that, just sayin'.

I'll be surprised if he ends up playing 3 years. Just seems like he's not all there.