Is there anyone else who couldn't care less about the NBA? Watching the draft when MU players have a chance is the only time I'll watch anything related to the NBA.
Quote from: MUFanatic4 on June 29, 2012, 08:37:19 AM
Is there anyone else who couldn't care less about the NBA? Watching the draft when MU players have a chance is the only time I'll watch anything related to the NBA.
I was just talking about this with Utile et Dulce at work. We're accidentally starting to care about the NBA :P
I usually watch the NBA draft. I am always interested in seeing where college players get drafted. I do not watch NBA regualr season games. The playoffs help the withdrawal from the college basketball season. Now onto the Pro Am.
Quote from: MUFanatic4 on June 29, 2012, 08:37:19 AM
Is there anyone else who couldn't care less about the NBA? Watching the draft when MU players have a chance is the only time I'll watch anything related to the NBA.
The NBA Playoffs can be the best basketball you will ever see....which is why I wanted the Finals to go 7 games this year. The regular season is too long, which means players don't give their all at all times.
Just curious, where are you guys located?
I think a lot of it depends on if you have a good team or not. If I lived in Minnesota, I wouldn't be watching the NBA.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 29, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
Just curious, where are you guys located?
I think a lot of it depends on if you have a good team or not. If I lived in Minnesota, I wouldn't be watching the NBA.
+1
Must be Bucks fans...
Quote from: MUFanatic4 on June 29, 2012, 08:37:19 AM
Is there anyone else who couldn't care less about the NBA? Watching the draft when MU players have a chance is the only time I'll watch anything related to the NBA.
I hear this all the time, what is your reasoning? The NBA playoffs format is not as exciting as the NCAAs, but if you love the game of basketball I don't see how you hate the NBA playoffs. The talent level is far, far, far superior of the NCAA and they play every bit as hard during the playoffs. The regular season is to long and boring but IMO the it's tough to beat the NBA playoffs.
You could make the argument that college is now a joke, 2 teams (.006% of DI college basketball) sending 15% off the prospects to the NBA. Virtually the same group of 10 teams win the national championship every year.
I sometimes try watching the NBA regular season, but almost always end up just following box scores. As others have said, the season is too long. As far as the playoffs, yes, the talent and effort is there, but it's really not even close to being as exciting as the NCAA tournament. You just can't generate that in a 7-game series. There's just isn't as much immediacy as a one-and-done. Unless it's a Game 7, it just isn't there at the same level because there's always tomorrow. I tried watching Game 5 of the Finals and just felt bored, it all felt like you knew what was coming. I think the incredibly inconsistent reffing really hurts the league as well. Sure, there are inconsistencies in college, but while different crews are inconsistent, I don't feel you have the same inconsistencies within a single game that you see in the NBA.
The NBA Draft is without a doubt the high-water point of the season for me. It's not even close.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2012, 10:20:05 AM
The NBA Draft is without a doubt the high-water point of the season for me. It's not even close.
You are a terrible basketball fan.
I have a feeling if the Bucks had a consistantly solid team, more of you would be NBA fans.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 29, 2012, 10:22:30 AM
You are a terrible basketball fan.
LOL why, because I prefer the college game to the pro one? What a moronic statement.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 29, 2012, 10:23:55 AM
I have a feeling if the Bucks had a consistantly solid team, more of you would be NBA fans.
As a fairly avid Bucks fan I agree. It is incredibly hard to root for the Bucks.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2012, 10:27:14 AM
LOL why, because I prefer the college game to the pro one? What a moronic statement.
You just said the NBA draft is the high point of the season. That is an incredibly moronic statement.
I think it is easier to have an emotional connection to your college team than a pro team. I'm a laker fan, they are very good most of the time, I like the NBA, but Marquette games rule my life when they are on. That being said I'd flip a coin between a random college game and a random NBA game
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 29, 2012, 10:36:59 AM
You just said the NBA draft is the high point of the season. That is an incredibly moronic statement.
How dare he voice his opinion... BURN THE WITCH!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 29, 2012, 10:40:48 AM
How dare he voice his opinion... BURN THE WITCH!
How dare I voice mine!
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 29, 2012, 10:36:59 AM
You just said the NBA draft is the high point of the season. That is an incredibly moronic statement.
Yes, it's the high point of the NBA season. It is by far the most exciting day because it lets me know where the Marquette guys I enjoyed cheering for will be playing. I get more amped up to hear Lazar Hayward, Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, or DJO's name get called than I do for any regular season or playoff game. I would take more enjoyment out of one Marquette game than I would an entire NBA season. The closest I get to a Marquette game is watching those guys enjoy the success of getting drafted. As far as who wins between the Celtics and Hawks, I could care less.
I strongly prefer college bball over the pros. I may watch a lot of pros for the first few weeks of the season but the rest of the time I just watch to see MU players. I cannot watch the Bucks. I rooted for them to lose every game last year so that they would get a high draft pick. I am bandwagon when they are good but every year they are at the middle of the pack regarding draft picks, meaning they didnt make the playoffs but werent bad enough to get a good pick, which is the worst position to be in. Last night they took John Henson, which made me mad. I want them to get better. Taking a guy that plays a position that they are already stacked at doesnt make sense to me (PF/C). He is pretty much a skinnier Larry Sanders. I wanted them to take Perry Jones or Mo Harkless as a SF, which was their biggest need since they already traded for a C before the draft.
Quote from: LAMUfan on June 29, 2012, 10:40:06 AM
I think it is easier to have an emotional connection to your college team than a pro team. I'm a laker fan, they are very good most of the time, I like the NBA, but Marquette games rule my life when they are on. That being said I'd flip a coin between a random college game and a random NBA game
Yeah, I watch Marquette basketball because it's Marquette.
I watch the NBA playoffs for the basketball.
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on June 29, 2012, 11:24:46 AM
I strongly prefer college bball over the pros. I may watch a lot of pros for the first few weeks of the season but the rest of the time I just watch to see MU players. I cannot watch the Bucks. I rooted for them to lose every game last year so that they would get a high draft pick. I am bandwagon when they are good but every year they are at the middle of the pack regarding draft picks, meaning they didnt make the playoffs but werent bad enough to get a good pick, which is the worst position to be in. Last night they took John Henson, which made me mad. I want them to get better. Taking a guy that plays a position that they are already stacked at doesnt make sense to me (PF/C). He is pretty much a skinnier Larry Sanders. I wanted them to take Perry Jones or Mo Harkless as a SF, which was their biggest need since they already traded for a C before the draft.
Sam Dalembert is an expiring contract... and getting old.
I am a fairweather Bucks fan. I think the college game is far superior to the NBA game, probably because the NBA regular season is filled with games where the players are playing half-heartedly. The NBA playoffs are much more watchable than the regular season, that's for sure. The only NBA games that I can generally get interested in are ones where MU guys are playing (Wade, Novak with the Knicks, Matthews with the Blazers, JFB with the Bulls). I cannot sit and watch a regular NBA game without one of those guys in it. I just can't get interested in it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2012, 10:27:14 AM
LOL why, because I prefer the college game to the pro one? What a moronic statement.
If you think the NBA playoffs where the best players, in their primes, attempt to establish legacies, leaving nothing in the tank is less exciting than sitting there and watching someone read a name off a card(It's not even close!), then yes, that does say something about your basketball acumen.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2012, 10:56:48 AM
Yes, it's the high point of the NBA season. It is by far the most exciting day because it lets me know where the Marquette guys I enjoyed cheering for will be playing. I get more amped up to hear Lazar Hayward, Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, or DJO's name get called than I do for any regular season or playoff game. I would take more enjoyment out of one Marquette game than I would an entire NBA season. The closest I get to a Marquette game is watching those guys enjoy the success of getting drafted. As far as who wins between the Celtics and Hawks, I could care less.
No, the Championship is the high point of the season. You can enjoy whatever you like, but it is flat out wrong to call the draft the high point. I am happy for the MU guys getting drafted and then getting a chance to play against the best in the world. Some make it, others don't. I appreciate talent over everything else. I want to see the best.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 29, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
Just curious, where are you guys located?
I think a lot of it depends on if you have a good team or not. If I lived in Minnesota, I wouldn't be watching the NBA.
NBA is too much 1-on-1 ball for my taste.
That said, I'm from Minnesota! Zar was on the bench for a season over here...best NBA season here for me in 10 years.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 29, 2012, 11:48:25 AM
No, the Championship is the high point of the season. You can enjoy whatever you like, but it is flat out wrong to call the draft the high point. I am happy for the MU guys getting drafted and then getting a chance to play against the best in the world. Some make it, others don't. I appreciate talent over everything else. I want to see the best.
"The NBA Draft is without a doubt the high-water point of the season for me."
Operative phrase in that statement: for me.
I agree with you that the draft is exciting when an MU guy's name gets called, but the playoffs are far superior for me. However, that doesn't mean that Brew can't enjoy the draft more than the actual games. It's a matter of taste, like arguing music. It's just what someone enjoys more, there's no objective right or wrong. Does that make sense?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 29, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
Just curious, where are you guys located?
I think a lot of it depends on if you have a good team or not. If I lived in Minnesota, I wouldn't be watching the NBA.
Just wondering why you say that, since I live in Minnesota and am considering getting a Wolves ticket plan this year. The Wolves were over .500 and in contention for a playoff spot when Rubio went down. They also have a potential MVP candidate in Kevin Love and are actually selling out games for the first time in like 10 years. Of course, I moved here from DC and Wizards games were pretty bad.
Quote from: Jamailman on June 29, 2012, 12:08:55 PM
"The NBA Draft is without a doubt the high-water point of the season for me."
Operative phrase in that statement: for me.
I agree with you that the draft is exciting when an MU guy's name gets called, but the playoffs are far superior for me. However, that doesn't mean that Brew can't enjoy the draft more than the actual games. It's a matter of taste, like arguing music. It's just what someone enjoys more, there's no objective right or wrong. Does that make sense?
It is like arguing music. Except that brewcity's favorite song is watching people accept their Grammy.
The NBA is run by the Mafia. They alway make sure LA, Miami, New York and Boston get the tube. Games are fixed. Eighty percent of the players could score 30 points. But the chosen few LeBron, D-Wade, Carmelo, and Kolbe. We wouldn't have poor brothers if they would spread their wealth. Yet dumb fans support them. WGAS.
(Who Give A S---! My opinion only.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 29, 2012, 01:08:10 PM
The NBA is run by the Mafia. They alway make sure LA, Miami, New York and Boston get the tube. Games are fixed. Eighty percent of the players could score 30 points. But the chosen few LeBron, D-Wade, Carmelo, and Kolbe. We wouldn't have poor brothers if they would spread their wealth. Yet dumb fans support them. WGAS.
(Who Give A S---! My opinion only.
Your opinion, but foolish. Since the Mavs won it last year, and Oklahoma City was in the finals this year.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 29, 2012, 01:08:10 PM
The NBA is run by the Mafia. They alway make sure LA, Miami, New York and Boston get the tube. Games are fixed. Eighty percent of the players could score 30 points. But the chosen few LeBron, D-Wade, Carmelo, and Kolbe. We wouldn't have poor brothers if they would spread their wealth. Yet dumb fans support them. WGAS.
(Who Give A S---! My opinion only.
Yeah...that is why one of the dominant teams over the last 10+ years is based in San Antonio.
You are obviously someone that doesn't actually watch the game.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 29, 2012, 01:08:10 PM
The NBA is run by the Mafia. They alway make sure LA, Miami, New York and Boston get the tube. Games are fixed. Eighty percent of the players could score 30 points. But the chosen few LeBron, D-Wade, Carmelo, and Kolbe. We wouldn't have poor brothers if they would spread their wealth. Yet dumb fans support them. WGAS.
(Who Give A S---! My opinion only.
This is a special kind of ignorance.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 29, 2012, 12:30:26 PM
It is like arguing music. Except that brewcity's favorite song is watching people accept their Grammy.
+ 1
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 29, 2012, 01:18:33 PM
Yeah...that is why one of the dominant teams over the last 10+ years is based in San Antonio.
You are obviously someone that doesn't actually watch the game.
And the next dominant team may come from Oklahoma City.
NBA basketball >>>>>> NCAA basketball.
Nothing wrong with finding the latter more interesting and compelling, but to argue that the college game is a better brand of basketball is silly. Someone may prefer driving a Ford pickup to an SL Class Mercedes, but that doesn't make it a better vehicle.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 29, 2012, 11:38:20 AMIf you think the NBA playoffs where the best players, in their primes, attempt to establish legacies, leaving nothing in the tank is less exciting than sitting there and watching someone read a name off a card(It's not even close!), then yes, that does say something about your basketball acumen.
Yes, because I don't care about those players. I rarely feel an emotional stake with any of them. I loved the NBA when I was a kid. Watching Jordan and his contemporaries, it felt like something special. As I've grown older, I've realized that the NBA is marketed to kids. It's the basketball equivalent of big explosions. Don't get me wrong, every now and then a Michael Bay movie is fine, but I want something that's more engaging.
If you want a Grammy comparison, I think this is how it could be aptly described. I like listening to the album, then later watching to see how it is received by the awards committee. You apparently like buying the album only after it has won the awards.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 29, 2012, 11:48:25 AMNo, the Championship is the high point of the season. You can enjoy whatever you like, but it is flat out wrong to call the draft the high point. I am happy for the MU guys getting drafted and then getting a chance to play against the best in the world. Some make it, others don't. I appreciate talent over everything else. I want to see the best.
Well bully for you. I enjoy strategy and storylines. The NBA rarely has that. By the time guys are reaching the finals, their stories have already been told countless times, and there's such a limited player pool that there just isn't the drama of the NCAAs. To compare the NBA playoffs and their laborious series to the one-off of the NCAAs is laughable. There will never be a Norfolk State in the NBA. And one Norfolk State is 10 times the story that the entire NBA season is.
Every team in the NBA plays the same game, the only question is who can dance that one dance best. It's like watching 30 contestants all do the same thing and trying to judge which did it the best. I'd rather watch 300 contestants do things 30 different ways. It makes for far better drama. Granted, there may not be the theatrics, but if that's all you want, just buy a 100 Greatest Dunks tape.
Good basketball is THE story line. I don't care where they came from, I don't care how old they are, I don't care what school then went to, I don't care if they went to school. I just want to see the absolute best players on the floor.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 29, 2012, 02:38:44 PM
Good basketball is THE story line. I don't care where they came from, I don't care how old they are, I don't care what school then went to, I don't care if they went to school. I just want to see the absolute best players on the floor.
And I don't see how I'm stopping you. I just don't understand why it angers you so that I'm not into the whole dunk rinse repeat without context.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 29, 2012, 12:30:26 PM
It is like arguing music. Except that brewcity's favorite song is watching people accept their Grammy.
Ha! Good point, but I guess I was arguing that what entertains one person will not entertain the other and vice versa, so arguing about who is "right" about a matter of taste is a complete waste of time.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2012, 02:40:45 PM
And I don't see how I'm stopping you. I just don't understand why it angers you so that I'm not into the whole dunk rinse repeat without context.
I'm just saying I enjoy basketball. You are saying you enjoy stories and "drama." If you want a larger "player pool" get into minor league baseball. There are countless story lines there.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 29, 2012, 02:51:47 PM
I'm just saying I enjoy basketball.
After you said he made an "incredibly moronic statement."
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 29, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
After you said he made an "incredibly moronic statement."
I thought we were on the same page wanting to see the best possible basketball?
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on June 29, 2012, 03:15:16 PM
I thought we were on the same page wanting to see the best possible basketball?
I am. But he likes the draft more than the games. Why should you care?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 29, 2012, 03:17:44 PM
I am. But he likes the draft more than the games. Why should you care?
I said he can enjoy it. Enjoy the bejesus out of it. Enjoy it so much he can replay it 364 days a year.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 29, 2012, 12:30:26 PM
It is like arguing music. Except that brewcity's favorite song is watching people accept their Grammy.
Isn't the NBA draft more like the grammy nominations than the actual grammys?
The NBA game is dull and static. Yes, the athletes are top level, but no one is doing anything different or new. There is no variety in the league. That's why the college game is more entertaining. Because every team isn't just a clone of the others with varying levels of talent. That's why college is an infinitely more entertaining game. That and because the refs actually make calls.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2012, 02:30:06 PM
If you want a Grammy comparison, I think this is how it could be aptly described. I like listening to the album, then later watching to see how it is received by the awards committee. You apparently like buying the album only after it has won the awards.
terrible metaphor, i love ncaa basketball and enjoy the nba. It is more like this: you like listening to a band, but as soon as they are popular enough to win a grammy you call them sell outs and then stop listening to them because they're 'marketed for kids'. And then talk down to anyone who still likes them because popular music is 'booring and static' and complain about dunking.
The NBA is going through a Renaissance and you are too stubborn to see it.
Oh .... and as for the whole "the season's too long so nobody tries argument," the NHL season is just as long and the MLB season is twice as long, yet you almost never hear the same gripe about players not putting in a full effort game in and game out.
Weird.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 29, 2012, 04:09:34 PMThe NBA is going through a Renaissance and you are too stubborn to see it.
No, I'm too bored by the league to care. It's not a Renaissance unless the game has changed. The names on the back of the jersey have changed, but the game is the same. Yawn.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2012, 04:17:16 PM
No, I'm too bored by the league to care. It's not a Renaissance unless the game has changed. The names on the back of the jersey have changed, but the game is the same. Yawn.
Yet you like soccer?
***Nailed it!***
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 29, 2012, 04:17:16 PM
No, I'm too bored by the league to care. It's not a Renaissance unless the game has changed. The names on the back of the jersey have changed, but the game is the same. Yawn.
The NBA game has changed dramatically in the last 10-15 years.
Exactly what has changed about college ball that's got you so excited?
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on June 29, 2012, 11:36:37 AM
I am a fairweather Bucks fan. I think the college game is far superior to the NBA game, probably because the NBA regular season is filled with games where the players are playing half-heartedly. The NBA playoffs are much more watchable than the regular season, that's for sure. The only NBA games that I can generally get interested in are ones where MU guys are playing (Wade, Novak with the Knicks, Matthews with the Blazers, JFB with the Bulls). I cannot sit and watch a regular NBA game without one of those guys in it. I just can't get interested in it.
For me I'd take Trailblazers - Hornets over Niagara - St. Bonaventure anytime.
But I totally understand people not getting into the NBA during the regular season. Kinda like the NHL - I am not a hockey fan, but love the playoffs. Great players giving it everything.
NBA playoffs are the same thing - great players leaving everything on the floor.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on June 29, 2012, 05:52:40 PM
The NBA game has changed dramatically in the last 10-15 years.
Exactly what has changed about college ball that's got you so excited?
The game hasn't changed, the quality of player has simply returned to that level. But I saw that act before.
The college game hasn't changed, it is change. Look at playing styles. What Louisville does is different from what Wisconsin does is different from what UNC does is different from what Princeton does is different from what VCU does is different from what Indiana does is different from what Syracuse does from what Marquette does. The NBA is far more predictable in terms of what will happen both game-by-game and over the course of the season.
In addition, the player turnover creates more interest. Will that 5-star prospect live up to the hype like Anthony Davis, will he be a bust like Brian Butch, or someone that is good but still never meets his hype like Harrison Barnes? The short careers means teams can be radically different in just a year or two, whereas in the NBA you pretty much know what a team is from day one.
It's better drama, has a far more entertaining playoff, and most of the time has a far more real connection between the players and the fanbases. Yes, the talent level in the NBA is superior, but that is the ONLY thing that is superior. The college game wins every other aspect of entertainment.
Also, I like underdog stories. The NBA has none. In the past 15 years, only 2 guys not picked in the first round have made so much as second-team All-NBA, Gilbert Arenas and Ben Wallace (twice). It's predictable. You know the best players and teams all year long. There are no (college years) Dwyane Wades, Jameer Nelsons, Hakim Warricks, Adam Morrisons, Alando Tuckers, Stephen Currys, Wesley Johnsons, Kenneth Farieds, or Doug McDermotts. All of those guys were three star or lower recruits that we're first or second team All-Americans, and there's been at least one every year for the past 10 years (counting Curry for 2 years, though there were many others along the way). Not to mention the Butlers, Davidsons, Gonzagas, and other Cinderellas that have given us the kinds of upsets the NBA could never dream of.
Better athletes, running better plays to perfection. Some of us enjoy the sport for sport and don't need silly side stories to make things worth while. (WOW! a three star put up 22 today!!!)
If you think the Lakers, the Spurs and the Thunder are clones of one another than you don't know anything about basketball.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 29, 2012, 11:49:38 PM
Better athletes, running better plays to perfection. Some of us enjoy the sport for sport and don't need silly side stories to make things worth while. (WOW! a three star put up 22 today!!!)
If you think the Lakers, the Spurs and the Thunder are clones of one another than you don't know anything about basketball.
The Lakers the Spurs and Thunder are very different teams. The problem I have with the NBA is that it is no longer good basketball. The reason being is that it is so star driven. Players like Lebron travel nearly every possession. And the star treatment on fouls is ridiculous. Kobe and Lebron get breathed on and it is a foul. But someone like a Norris Cole could get punched in the face by someone and it is just play on.
The bigger problem I have is the announcers trying to tell us that all the calls are perfect, like we are too stupid to see the awful star bias. Now, yes the chessman ship and execution at times can be great, but the star bias and announcers make it almost unbearable.
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 29, 2012, 11:49:38 PM
Better athletes, running better plays to perfection. Some of us enjoy the sport for sport and don't need silly side stories to make things worth while. (WOW! a three star put up 22 today!!!)
If you think the Lakers, the Spurs and the Thunder are clones of one another than you don't know anything about basketball.
Okay, okay, I get it, you love Michael Bay! Fine! Go watch Transformers again and leave me alone.
Quote from: forgetful on June 30, 2012, 02:20:06 AM
The Lakers the Spurs and Thunder are very different teams. The problem I have with the NBA is that it is no longer good basketball.
That is absolutely false. It is the very best basketball on the planet. I understand some of brewcity's issues though. There is more diversity in styles of play in college basketball. Just like college football is more diverse in that respect than the NFL.
Quote from: forgetful on June 30, 2012, 02:20:06 AM
The reason being is that it is so star driven. Players like Lebron travel nearly every possession. And the star treatment on fouls is ridiculous. Kobe and Lebron get breathed on and it is a foul. But someone like a Norris Cole could get punched in the face by someone and it is just play on.
The bigger problem I have is the announcers trying to tell us that all the calls are perfect, like we are too stupid to see the awful star bias. Now, yes the chessman ship and execution at times can be great, but the star bias and announcers make it almost unbearable.
These sentences tell me that you really don't watch NBA basketball.
Lebron doesn't travel on nearly every possession. He doesn't travel on most or even 10% of the time. It rarely occurs.
NBA officials are almost always right when you slow down and watch the replay. The "star system" you talk about is basically false when you see it in that light. The NBA is a physical game...and bigger stronger players function better in that type of game.
But the announcers are generally terrible. I'll give you that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 30, 2012, 05:27:38 AM
Okay, okay, I get it, you love Michael Bay! Fine! Go watch Transformers again and leave me alone.
And I get that you love indi bands until they have a hit and then all of a sudden you are too cool for them. Pompous much?
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 30, 2012, 05:27:38 AM
Okay, okay, I get it, you love Michael Bay! Fine! Go watch Transformers again and leave me alone.
I'd be grumpy too if I was a closeted fan of the swing. 8-)
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 30, 2012, 10:58:46 AM
And I get that you love indi bands until they have a hit and then all of a sudden you are too cool for them. Pompous much?
Oh get over yourself. I don't like the NBA and suddenly I'm attacked for it? Give me a break. I don't like the league. I don't enjoy it. Apparently you do. So fine, enjoy it, but accept that not everyone will like what you like. I couldn't care less how you want to spend your time, so please stop trying to force crap down my throat and tell me I should like it.
I don't, end of story. Now how about moving on?
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 30, 2012, 04:19:10 PM
Oh get over yourself. I don't like the NBA and suddenly I'm attacked for it? Give me a break. I don't like the league. I don't enjoy it. Apparently you do. So fine, enjoy it, but accept that not everyone will like what you like. I couldn't care less how you want to spend your time, so please stop trying to force crap down my throat and tell me I should like it.
I don't, end of story. Now how about moving on?
I need to get over it? You have been insulting everyone who does. You have written way more than i have and as usual you act like your opinion is a fact and that people who disagree with you are stupid. You need to get over yourself.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 30, 2012, 07:00:00 AM
That is absolutely false. It is the very best basketball on the planet. I understand some of brewcity's issues though. There is more diversity in styles of play in college basketball. Just like college football is more diverse in that respect than the NFL.
This is an opinion, so it can not be absolutely false.
These sentences tell me that you really don't watch NBA basketball.
Lebron doesn't travel on nearly every possession. He doesn't travel on most or even 10% of the time. It rarely occurs.
NBA officials are almost always right when you slow down and watch the replay. The "star system" you talk about is basically false when you see it in that light. The NBA is a physical game...and bigger stronger players function better in that type of game.
It depends on what one calls a travel. If we go by the rules up until 2009 (when the NBA decided to change the rules) then yes he travels on every possession. Even by the new rule he travels a lot (look up his crab dribble). The problem is a lot of players grew up like I did with the 1.5 step rule. Lebron is one of the chief users of the 2.5 steps that is now technically allowed. That in my mind is still a travel and ruins the game.
As for the fouls. Like you say the NBA is a physical game. Hence a foul can be called on every possession. Lebron gets calls every time he misses. Non-stars get about 1 in 10 calls (total guess to illustrate a point). Every analyst agrees that Lebron is going to get a call every time. That also ruins the game.
Euro league ball is actually probably a better product as far as 'pure' basketball is concerned. The college game by moving closer to the NBA is also getting ruined in my opinion.
But the announcers are generally terrible. I'll give you that.
If LeBron got a call every time he misses, wouldn't he be shooting 100 percent from the field?
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 30, 2012, 07:18:30 PM
I need to get over it?
Yes. Go back and look at the thread. I stated why I'm not interested and you and Horseshoe pounced. It started around the time I was called a terrible basketball fan and when you questioned my basketball acumen because I'm bored by the playoffs. So yes, you should probably get over yourself. Bear in mind the entire premise of the thread was someone who was asking if there were others that couldn't care less about the NBA. Many asserted that they aren't interested in it. Some people just don't care about the league and have perfectly valid reasons for that. It doesn't make them bad basketball fans, it just means they have different tastes. Enjoy what you want for whatever reason. But don't expect people to lockstep with you, especially on a board dedicated to a COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAM.
Sorry, but the notion that everyone should like the NBA is stupid, and the notion that not liking the NBA indicates someone doesn't know much about the sport is also stupid. The two are mutually exclusive. Plenty of people prefer the college ranks for any number of reasons. That doesn't make them bad fans or basketball stupid, it just means they have different tastes.
I find myself watching when there's a team with an MU alum on tv. Other than that, don't care.
During my MU time, the Bucks were fun to follow with Sidney, Bon Lanier, Winters, etc. Eddie Doucette was great to listen to.
One of my favorite highlights was when the Bucks were playing Detroit. Lambier was being his typical whining, elbow throwing pansy. Lanier decided he had had enough, and landed a haymaker square on Lambier's nose. When they replayed it in slow mo, you could see Lambier's nose cave in, and then pop back out. Needless to say, he hit the ground and didn't get up for a few minutes.
The league was interesting when Kareem was still in the league, while Bird and Johnson were taking off.
Seems like the league headed south during Jordan's dynasty. Putting players like Rodman and Pippen around him really detracted from Jordan's (and the nba's) aura. Yes, the bulls were damn good with those players, but Rodman and Pippen weren't the most likable sorts.
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 01, 2012, 09:43:06 AM
Seems like the league headed south during Jordan's dynasty. Putting players like Rodman and Pippen around him really detracted from Jordan's (and the nba's) aura. Yes, the bulls were damn good with those players, but Rodman and Pippen weren't the most likable sorts.
Yes, Jordan playing against and beating the likes of Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, and John Stockton in the NBA finals over the years was a total dud. He could have used some real competition.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 29, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
Just curious, where are you guys located?
I think a lot of it depends on if you have a good team or not. If I lived in Minnesota, I wouldn't be watching the NBA.
You obviously aren't watching the NBA to begin with because in Minnesota there is a dynasty currently in the works. Core: Kevin Love, Ricky Rubio and Nikola Pekovic. Watch the Twolves snag a 5th seed or higher in next year's playoffs.
Hmmm....I like what the Wolves are doing, but 5th seed?
I have OKC, San Antonio, LA Lakers, LA Clippers, and Memphis above them. And then you have Dallas, which is bound to bounce back, and Denver.
Not sure about that.
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 01, 2012, 09:43:06 AM
Seems like the league headed south during Jordan's dynasty. Putting players like Rodman and Pippen around him really detracted from Jordan's (and the nba's) aura. Yes, the bulls were damn good with those players, but Rodman and Pippen weren't the most likable sorts.
Yeah, the NBA would have been much better off if the Bulls kept Jordan playing along side the likes of Orlando Woolridge, Dave Corzine and Brad Sellers.
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 01, 2012, 09:43:06 AM
Seems like the league headed south during Jordan's dynasty. Putting players like Rodman and Pippen around him really detracted from Jordan's (and the nba's) aura. Yes, the bulls were damn good with those players, but Rodman and Pippen weren't the most likable sorts.
The four highest rated Finals of all time were all during the Jordan era. All six Bulls Finals are in the top 9 all time. (The other three were 1987-89...all of which involved the Lakers.)
The NBA season is too long and there are too many teams -- no reason to have crappy teams in small markets that lose money. If the league cut out anywhere from 4-8 teams, remaining teams would have better bench players and the league would be more exciting as a whole. Now, you have teams where the #3 and sometimes even #2 "star" on the team is a no-name guy.
Also, the globalization of the NBA, which helped the NBA in terms of worldwide popularity, made it a little disinteresting for American fans, either consciously or not. There were way too many European players in the early to mid 00's that no one in the states could relate with. The NBA was in a dark time from the period Jordan left until Wade, James, Melo, etc entered the league. It's now finally starting to pick itself up.
I feel like NFL is always king in American sports MLB has the long history and tradition that everyone loves. But baseball has been getting less popular over the years (at least it seems to me) and NBA basketball is on it's way back up. The same thing is happening with MLB right now that happened to the NBA 10 years ago -- the superstars that were household names are starting to fall off, so now these new young guys are getting in the spotlight, but if they can't sustain the spotlight they'll soon be forgotten. We have the new young big names like Braun and Fielder and Hamilton, etc, but it's not like it was in the 90's and 00's with the household names.
I'm starting to watch the NBA again as MU players make their way onto teams.
I much prefer the college game, but its just a matter of taste.
Because of the shot clock, the NBA has too much one-on-one, not enough team ball. That's what the mass audience likes, it's just not what I like. I wish more teams would get around the shot clock by pushing the ball up the floor, like the 80s Lakers. The Thunder play a bit like that, and they are enjoyable to watch. Also, because of the shot clock, strategy rarely beats talent in the NBA. A lot of people probably like that talent wins out, but I like to see the smart teams beat the talented ones once in a while. Regular season upsets generally are a road weary good team losing to a fresher weaker team on the road.
The other big thing is that the NBA season is way too long and pointless. You know who the top playoff teams are going to be 30 games into the season. The other 52 games are to figure out the 7 and 8 seeds who are going to get bounced in the 1st round anyway. The only thing that changes over those 52 games is that some teams get healthy and some teams get hurt. I know baseball is twice as long, but the standings change a great deal from the half way point to the end of the season.
That said, the NBA players are the best in the world, and despite perception they play very good defense. I understand if people prefer the NBA game. It's just that I don't.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 01, 2012, 09:24:57 AM
Yes. Go back and look at the thread. I stated why I'm not interested and you and Horseshoe pounced. It started around the time I was called a terrible basketball fan and when you questioned my basketball acumen because I'm bored by the playoffs. So yes, you should probably get over yourself. Bear in mind the entire premise of the thread was someone who was asking if there were others that couldn't care less about the NBA. Many asserted that they aren't interested in it. Some people just don't care about the league and have perfectly valid reasons for that. It doesn't make them bad basketball fans, it just means they have different tastes. Enjoy what you want for whatever reason. But don't expect people to lockstep with you, especially on a board dedicated to a COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAM.
Sorry, but the notion that everyone should like the NBA is stupid, and the notion that not liking the NBA indicates someone doesn't know much about the sport is also stupid. The two are mutually exclusive. Plenty of people prefer the college ranks for any number of reasons. That doesn't make them bad fans or basketball stupid, it just means they have different tastes.
awwww... poor little guy got "pounced on"
I never would have cared if you didn't like the nba. I started making fun of you after you had written 3 posts of about 300 words each and said that watching a draft for 4 hours, so that you could see two guys get their name called( by a team that they aren't going to) is more fun that watching game 7 of a play off series. Not originally you said that you avioded the regular season then you ramped it up to the finals not being fun. Since then you've put more work into this thread than you probably put into some of your college finals.
Just type less. Take some deep breaths and stop calling people immature, stupid and whatever else pops into your head. realize that this is a COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAM forum and that people may make fun of your ideas.
BTW: i suggested watching the 3rd transformers the other night and mrs rawdog turned it down and opted for Human Centipede 2.
Let me start by saying that I'm apparently one of the few NBA fans on this board. However, one of my biggest beefs with the NBA is that at the start of each season, there are only 3 or 4 teams that have a legitimate shot at winning the championship while the rest of the teams are playing to either make a respectable run in the playoffs, develop some young guys or lose enough to get a good draft pick. Prior to this past season, if I had bet you $1 million on who would win the championship and given you everyone EXCEPT Miami, Chicago and OKC, would you have taken the bet? No chance. What if I gave you ONLY Miami, Chicago and OKC? You'd take it in a second.
I like the NBA also, but mainly when the playoffs start.
The salary issues are going through the roof and unrealism is starting to take over.
Deron Willams gets 100M for 5 years, 20M a year.
Jeremy Lin talking to Houston Rockets and may get a contract which the Knicks can counter with. Would pay Lin 15M a year in last two years of a four year contract. If he signs with Knicks, thats like 5 Knicks making at least 15M a year. Thats crazy......... Jeremy Lin, 15M a year, thats crazy..........
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 03, 2012, 08:32:32 AM
The four highest rated Finals of all time were all during the Jordan era. All six Bulls Finals are in the top 9 all time. (The other three were 1987-89...all of which involved the Lakers.)
You are correct with the stats. Great ratings, great games.
My point is that...in my opinion.....after watching the bulls win with guys like Rodman, and Pippen, then Jordan getting suspended from the league, aka, his baseball sidetrack, it started to feel like you had to take a shower after watching them. And, no I don't have anything against the bulls.
I am amazed and impressed with how the NBA markets itself. They are a machine. More power to them.
Quote from: RawdogDX on July 03, 2012, 02:48:17 PM
awwww... poor little guy got "pounced on"
I never would have cared if you didn't like the nba. I started making fun of you after you had written 3 posts of about 300 words each and said that watching a draft for 4 hours, so that you could see two guys get their name called( by a team that they aren't going to) is more fun that watching game 7 of a play off series. Not originally you said that you avioded the regular season then you ramped it up to the finals not being fun. Since then you've put more work into this thread than you probably put into some of your college finals.
Just type less. Take some deep breaths and stop calling people immature, stupid and whatever else pops into your head. realize that this is a COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAM forum and that people may make fun of your ideas.
BTW: i suggested watching the 3rd transformers the other night and mrs rawdog turned it down and opted for Human Centipede 2.
Again with the not reading the thread. Look at my posts. The first was a bit lengthy, 9 sentences. Most of the rest (8/11) were 1-3 lines of text, not exactly long posts. Regardless, I actually like posting full thoughts. Personal preference. You don't like it, don't read them, don't keep quoting them.
I don't enjoy the NBA. The regular season is way too long, I don't feel much of a connection to the players, and I just don't think 7-game series are as dramatic. Same reason I'm not a huge fan of the MLB playoffs. The only sport that really captures high drama, in my opinion, in a 7-game series is the NHL. Regardless, I think I've stated my case at length as to why I don't enjoy the league, I think it's a perfectly valid opinion (just like your opinion that you like it), and I strongly suggest you get over yourself. You're so wrapped up in attacking me (god knows why) that you are going for the message board version of "I know you are but what am I?".
Have fun with that.
Quote from: RawdogDX on July 03, 2012, 02:48:17 PM
BTW: i suggested watching the 3rd transformers the other night and mrs rawdog turned it down and opted for Human Centipede 2.
I'd watch the WNBA before either of those.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 03, 2012, 08:37:57 PM
Again with the not reading the thread. Look at my posts. The first was a bit lengthy, 9 sentences. Most of the rest (8/11) were 1-3 lines of text, not exactly long posts. Regardless, I actually like posting full thoughts. Personal preference. You don't like it, don't read them, don't keep quoting them.
I don't enjoy the NBA. The regular season is way too long, I don't feel much of a connection to the players, and I just don't think 7-game series are as dramatic. Same reason I'm not a huge fan of the MLB playoffs. The only sport that really captures high drama, in my opinion, in a 7-game series is the NHL. Regardless, I think I've stated my case at length as to why I don't enjoy the league, I think it's a perfectly valid opinion (just like your opinion that you like it), and I strongly suggest you get over yourself. You're so wrapped up in attacking me (god knows why) that you are going for the message board version of "I know you are but what am I?".
Have fun with that.
No one is 'attacking' anyone. You do this all the time. 10 points, 8 are decent and then you follow it up with name calling. Go smoke a bowl.
Quote from: RawdogDX on July 06, 2012, 12:20:56 AM
No one is 'attacking' anyone. You do this all the time. 10 points, 8 are decent and then you follow it up with name calling. Go smoke a bowl.
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I enjoying watching the NBA, both regular season and playoffs (Bulls fan). I love the game, and when it comes down to it, I like following careers, which for the best players in college, is short lived. Deep in my heart of hearts, I'm a baseball fan, and a stats fan, and the longer tenures give me a better chance of doing that.
Although, and I was discussing this with my buddy the other day, I've gotten more enjoyment and excitement out of watching MU basketball over the past 7 or 8 years than any other sport.
MU Game > Any NBA Game Regular or post season
NCAA Tournament>NBA Playoffs
NBA Post Season > College Regular Season
NBA Regular Season (Non Bulls) = College Regular Season (Non MU)
As for non-MU regular season college games, I really only enjoy watching BEast matchups. I can't stand watching B10 basketball. I'll sometimes catch myself watching ACC or B12 matchups, but even those can get boring. I guess I just don't know as many of the players as I do for BEast teams?
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 03, 2012, 07:05:21 PM
My point is that...in my opinion.....after watching the bulls win with guys like Rodman, and Pippen, then Jordan getting suspended from the league, aka, his baseball sidetrack, it started to feel like you had to take a shower after watching them. And, no I don't have anything against the bulls.
I am amazed and impressed with how the NBA markets itself. They are a machine. More power to them.
There are so many things wrong with this. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 06, 2012, 06:08:21 AM
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But you still got the last word. What a winner you are!
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 03, 2012, 03:40:35 PM
Let me start by saying that I'm apparently one of the few NBA fans on this board. However, one of my biggest beefs with the NBA is that at the start of each season, there are only 3 or 4 teams that have a legitimate shot at winning the championship while the rest of the teams are playing to either make a respectable run in the playoffs, develop some young guys or lose enough to get a good draft pick. Prior to this past season, if I had bet you $1 million on who would win the championship and given you everyone EXCEPT Miami, Chicago and OKC, would you have taken the bet? No chance. What if I gave you ONLY Miami, Chicago and OKC? You'd take it in a second.
IMO - the NFL's enormous popularity in this country has a lot to do with parity... the Packers went 15-1 last year and got bounced from the playoffs in the first game. When's the last time a NBA team dominated in the regular season and were bounced in the first round of the playoffs (because they got outplayed not because of an injury to a star player)? Or to put it differently, when's the last time Cinderella won the NBA Finals? When an outcome is more or less preordained (or darn close to it), it's simply not as fun to watch the game. Sure, there's going to be a mild upset in the NBA once in a while, but when Miami played Charlotte this year, there was no suspense over the outcome before those three games. The most dramatic parts of an NBA game are the starting lineups and the last two minutes. I will concede that things are a bit different in the playoffs, but frankly, if you can't keep someone's attention during the season, don't act surprised when they decide not to hang when the playoffs come around. Honestly, I couldn't care less about the
game of basketball. What I like is the drama, suspense & competition that surrounds the game... and frankly, the NCAA version is consistently superior to the NBA in that regard.
Moreover, if I'm going to give my money to spoiled, professional athletes, I'll choose to give it to the ones buying steroids and chewing tobacco, not the ones buying strippers and guns.
The way that the NBA playoffs are designed is for the best team to win. The same can be said about the MLB playoff system
You can't say that about the NCAA tournament, and you definitely can't say that about the NFL.
It is all a matter of preference which you like.
I like that there is a difference in the way we decide who is the best in each sport.
What the NFL and NCAA make up for in excitement, they really lack in determination of the 'best team'.
Quote from: RawdogDX on July 06, 2012, 01:17:29 PM
But you still got the last word. What a winner you are!
Says the guy who responded solely to get the last word...
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 06, 2012, 02:24:20 PM
The way that the NBA playoffs are designed is for the best team to win. The same can be said about the MLB playoff system
You can't say that about the NCAA tournament, and you definitely can't say that about the NFL.
It is all a matter of preference which you like.
I like that there is a difference in the way we decide who is the best in each sport.
What the NFL and NCAA make up for in excitement, they really lack in determination of the 'best team'.
Interesting point, and I can't say I disagree at all. In fact, I know only three people who wanted Kentucky to win the NCAA tournament this year... not one was a Kentucky fan or had any ties to the team, but incidentally, I would qualify all three as "hardcore" NBA fans.
Hypothesis: The "NBA fan" seeks validation of who he believes is the best team. The "NCAA fan" wants that team to lose.
Quote from: Benny B on July 06, 2012, 02:02:55 PM
Moreover, if I'm going to give my money to spoiled, professional athletes, I'll choose to give it to the ones buying steroids and chewing tobacco, not the ones buying strippers and guns.
I'm not sure exactly which sports spoiled professional athletes you are referring to. Given that the NBA, NFL and MLB are all on steroids and all indulge in strippers and guns, is there some professional sport that I'm unaware of that only indulges in steroids and tobacco?
Quote from: Benny B on July 06, 2012, 02:02:55 PM
IMO - the NFL's enormous popularity in this country has a lot to do with parity... the Packers went 15-1 last year and got bounced from the playoffs in the first game.
The NFL's popularity has a lot to do with parity, but it has much more to do with gambling and the scarcity of games. Only 16 regular season games/team and 11 total postseason games. I'm not a big football fan, but I know a lot of guys who are, and pretty much all of them wager on the games in some form, either through weekly office pools or outright betting.
Baseball is a different animal because there really is no such thing as an upset in a baseball game. The worst teams beat the best teams 25-30% of the time. Just the nature of the sport. The best team rarely wins the World Series.
Quote from: forgetful on July 06, 2012, 03:29:03 PM
I'm not sure exactly which sports spoiled professional athletes you are referring to. Given that the NBA, NFL and MLB are all on steroids and all indulge in strippers and guns, is there some professional sport that I'm unaware of that only indulges in steroids and tobacco?
Thank you! I thought I had accidentally stumbled upon a UW message board when reading the end of Benny B's post.
Quote from: CTWarrior on July 06, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
The NFL's popularity has a lot to do with parity, but it has much more to do with gambling and the scarcity of games. Only 16 regular season games/team and 11 total postseason games. I'm not a big football fan, but I know a lot of guys who are, and pretty much all of them wager on the games in some form, either through weekly office pools or outright betting.
Baseball is a different animal because there really is no such thing as an upset in a baseball game. The worst teams beat the best teams 25-30% of the time. Just the nature of the sport. The best team rarely wins the World Series.
The NFL's popularity is in no small part related to the fact that a large portion of the fan base is made up of the fat guys who played growing up because there was a place for them on the offensive and defensive lines, so they can relate to the sport. Those same guys never played basketball, because it is a sport that requires a skill besides seeing something 6 inches in front of you and hitting it after the word hike. Most of them feel they can't relate to 6'9" freak run/jump athletes, so they dismiss the sport and call the players things like "spoiled." The NBA is comprised of the best athletes on the planet top to bottom, which is why it's appealing to me. I know I could never do those things, and it's amazing to watch. Regular season can drag though.
Quote from: Bocephys on July 06, 2012, 02:30:33 PM
Says the guy who responded solely to get the last word...
That irony was intentional. Glad you noticed.
Quote from: Jamailman on July 06, 2012, 05:25:28 PM
Thank you! I thought I had accidentally stumbled upon a UW message board when reading the end of Benny B's post.
Why... are they not teaching poetry at MU anymore?