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This thread, from earlier this month, explains Hiroshima
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32459.0

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I voted from Something from the "tin foil hat" crowd.  I think their is nothing to this and is being fueled bt a few posters that see conspiracies everywhere.

I think that it's been perpetuated far more by a few reactionary idiots than by any "tin foil cat" crowd. The same people driving the Hiroshima talks are the ones that are steadfastly against it. Somewhat ironic, I think.

The real question is how many accounts will madtown create to vote in this poll?

My favorite thing about the doomsdayers is that with every blip that comes up they play some vague connect the dots on how that is an indication or a puff of smoke that confirms their dire prophecy.

Yet when huge plumes of smoke idicate the direct opposite( Lockett, aircraft carrier game, big time asst. from SEC and B10 team), and no dot connecting is needed the comments revolve around the "next shoe has not yet fallen". 

I still beleive that goose is posting from his iphone while driving the black hearse up and down Wisonsin ave.

Dimes
I still think you are posting with your head in the sand.

Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 03:44:29 PM
Dimes
I still think you are posting with your head in the sand.

The administration giving Buzz the budget needed to make Chew the huge offer that lured him away from Illinois hardly supports your theory that they're trying scale back the program.

What if hire is based on Chew being head coach in a year?

Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 03:44:29 PM
Dimes
I still think you are posting with your head in the sand.

From the Sun - Times article,

Marquette has an absurd basketball budget and isn't afraid to spend. Chew will not be getting just a raise with the move, he will be getting a substantial, a near impossible-to-say-no-to raise with the move to Milwaukee

Will Chew need to head somewhere else in the next 2 months when we move to a SLU-esque budget?

Will there be a Buzz Willimas- UNO type lawsuit when MU can no longer afford to pay the guy??

Dont you think the college coaching fraternity is one heck of alot more tuned into the rumors of what is going on at different programs??  Chew and any other shooting star in the coaching ranks would never come near MU if anything of what the Tin foil hat crew is saying.

If Buzz were so despaprate to leave too would he bring on a friend and use him that way?

Moreso, if Pilarz and L. Williams were so dead set on de-emphasizing winning at MU would they even allow Buzz to go poach an asst. in this manner?

Maybe, Just maybe...Pilarz and LArry Willimas are clearly focused on the same things that the Athletic admins at Georgetown basketball and ND football were/are...and that is to win a National championship?

occam's razor

Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 03:55:56 PM
What if hire is based on Chew being head coach in a year?

And you wonder why people make tin-foil hat references?

I voted serious concern, because whether it happened or not, I was worried about it. I am not so sure that it did not happen, but not in the way we were thinking. In have the feeling that some of the assistant coaches were made the scape goat for the player's short comings.

Nah - I will let Dimes and Pakuni call out your idiocy for me...

Quote from: Bocephys on May 29, 2012, 03:14:59 PM
The real question is how many accounts will madtown create to vote in this poll?

Chicago media reported in April that MU and Buzz had strained relationship and that was written off as Chicago media being idiots. Now the Sun-Times is gospel because they wrote something positive. Do you really think that if MU paid head coach 50% of what Buzz makes nobody would want the job? Did Crean, who was looking to leave for years, use Buzz by bringing him on or did he do him a favor?

Honestly Dimes your head is in the sand. Have stated numerous times that I want MU to be UNC, UK, DUKE, IU or UCLA. Wouldn't I be the last guy to be stirring the pot? There is no amount of money MU could spend on ball that would be too high for me. So seriously, why do you think I voice my concerns? I do because from what I hear from real sources there is reason for concern.

If you think your jabs bother me you are sadly mistaken. Would say that your blind faith is what worries me the most. Have stated many times I hope your line of thinking is correct and I am proven completely wrong.

Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 03:55:56 PM
What if hire is based on Chew being head coach in a year?

Cmon now....if Buzz was going to be leaving and LW and SP were going to "de-emphasize" basketball, do you think Buzz would be able to hire his successor???

Glad we're getting a top notch assistant.    If we're trying to become ND light, it won't be known for a couple years anyway.   All this bickering after every positive and negative is really fun though.

Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 04:10:33 PM
Chicago media reported in April that MU and Buzz had strained relationship and that was written off as Chicago media being idiots. Now the Sun-Times is gospel because they wrote something positive. Do you really think that if MU paid head coach 50% of what Buzz makes nobody would want the job? Did Crean, who was looking to leave for years, use Buzz by bringing him on or did he do him a favor?

I think the "written off as idiots" was more due to the fact that they were reporting stuff like: "Buzz's buyout is comically small, like $100,000," which is contrary to everything else we've heard on that topic.

I'm probably part of the tin foil hat club, but more from the perspective of the relationship between Buzz and Admin being less than ideal, than from the perspective of Admin wanting to make MU a SLU type of basketball program.  I absolutely believe admin knee jerked and jumped to some pretty serious conclusions regarding the off court incidents - and what would remedy them - that upon closer examination/discussion (hopefully realized) were short sighted and likely more detrimental to the health of the university long term..yet the spirit of those conclusions was to keep the university in "good health" perception-wise.

To me the hiring of Chew is a GREAT sign that things are solid/improving.  But make no mistake, there was tension between Buzz and the Admin...that was real.

Rubie
What is Buzz's buyout?

Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
Rubie
What is Buzz's buyout?

I don't know. I've never seen his contract. But Rosiak reported it was in excess of $3 million last season, and I have a hard time believing a lawyer like Cottingham would let it be slashed to a figure like $100,000 overnight.

I'm not even clear on the definition of "Hiroshima".

Buzz came back. His top assistant was regarded highly enough to get a head-coaching job. Two new assistants, including one with some serious chops, are on board. And we're about to play a huge-exposure game on an aircraft carrier.

Yep, sure sounds like the powers that be are about to blow up the program.

Since this is a question for the whole board, is there any way a "Don't Care" option can be added to the poll?

Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2012, 05:05:59 PM
Buzz came back. His top assistant was regarded highly enough to get a head-coaching job. Two new assistants, including one with some serious chops, are on board. And we're about to play a huge-exposure game on an aircraft carrier.

Yep, sure sounds like the powers that be are about to blow up the program.

My view as well.  I can imagine that Fr. Pilarz and LW wanted a few things cleaned up and challenged Buzz but I'll bet over time he came to realize that they were probably right.  And there's no real evidence that they are SLU-ing Men's hoops.

Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 04:10:33 PM
Chicago media reported in April that MU and Buzz had strained relationship and that was written off as Chicago media being idiots. Now the Sun-Times is gospel because they wrote something positive. Do you really think that if MU paid head coach 50% of what Buzz makes nobody would want the job? Did Crean, who was looking to leave for years, use Buzz by bringing him on or did he do him a favor?

Honestly Dimes your head is in the sand. Have stated numerous times that I want MU to be UNC, UK, DUKE, IU or UCLA. Wouldn't I be the last guy to be stirring the pot? There is no amount of money MU could spend on ball that would be too high for me. So seriously, why do you think I voice my concerns? I do because from what I hear from real sources there is reason for concern.

If you think your jabs bother me you are sadly mistaken. Would say that your blind faith is what worries me the most. Have stated many times I hope your line of thinking is correct and I am proven completely wrong.

Maybe the friction was overblown by the media, and mostly by us.

Seems entirely possible, no?

(http://cdn.overclock.net/6/6b/6bdaeb5c_tin-foil-hat_thumb.jpeg)

Said all along, paranoid people desperate for attention.

Quote from: AZWarrior on May 29, 2012, 04:33:54 PM
I'm not even clear on the definition of "Hiroshima".

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32459.0

I'm more of a fez-hat kinda cat myself, rollin around on my little go cart.

All that this poll proves is that this forum can turn into a giant circlejerk.

Was the use of 'Hiroshima' over-the-top hyperbole?  Yep

Did a number of reputable posters speak up saying that they've heard rumblings of academic issues?  Yep

Quote from: ZiggysFryB'oy on May 29, 2012, 09:22:17 PM
I'm more of a fez-hat kinda cat myself, rollin around on my little go cart.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/brewcity77/TobyFez3a.jpg)

Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 30, 2012, 07:53:06 AM
All that this poll proves is that this forum can turn into a giant circlejerk.

Was the use of 'Hiroshima' over-the-top hyperbole?  Yep

Did a number of reputable posters speak up saying that they've heard rumblings of academic issues?  Yep

For the record, I always felt the rumors were relatively reasonable/believable, it's the conclusions that people made based off these rumors that seemed insane.

"Where there is smoke there is fire" isn't always an accurate statement.

Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 03:55:56 PM
What if hire is based on Chew being head coach in a year?

I voted "tin foil hat" though I dislike the phrase and don't think it's accurate.

That said, even what should be very good news (Chew) is turned on its head.

Lloyd
I would agree on the surface this is very good news. Time will tell if it becomes great news and will be proven by continued upper end recruiting and continuity at the head coach position. Usually by June 1st I have no reason to think that team for next year is not 100% set and hope that ends up being true this year. I never bought into the hiroshima in regards to academics and kids being forced out, yet I still finding myself looking everyday hoping no bad news comes out.

Quote from: Goose on May 30, 2012, 08:38:06 AM
I never bought into the hiroshima in regards to academics and kids being forced out, yet I still finding myself looking everyday hoping no bad news comes out.

This is the best assessment that I have seen yet. It is sad to be hoping for no bad news, but I can relate.

Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 29, 2012, 04:06:58 PM
Nah - I will let Dimes and Pakuni call out your idiocy for me...

I'd like to participate as well, especially since Boceph thinks whenever someone disagrees with him it is the same person with multiple accounts.  He can't fathom the concept that many do not agree with him on this issue, instead it is something sinister, almost tin-foilish (not a word, I know) going on. 

Hoop
To disagree is complete acceptable to me. All I have ever asked is for someone to disagree with facts and not just opinion. Gladly respect anyone's opinion but not going to accept it as factual without facts. Virtually every post saying everything is perfect in Warrior Nation is someone's opinion. If all anyone is stating opinion not sure why Dimes or Madtown has opinion better than mine or anyone elses.

I am very glad that you are completely confident that Buzz is remaining long term and no issues in program. I want to be wrong on the big picture issues and want us to climb the hoops ladder in upcoming years. No budget is too big for me, I'd take one and done's, JUCO's, transfers and borderline students everyday. I have ZERO interest or desire for anything negative to happen. That said, until proven otherwise I will be watching closely.

opinions are fine, disagreements are fine - what I take offense to is the use of "sources" to state their facts with no ability to define the credibility of the sources,  the build-up of the different sources pointing to an obvious conspiracy of Williams and Pilarz to destroy the MU program (and subsequent message board lynching of both of them) and then using every little bit of news that comes out as positioning to support the conspiracy.

I also dislike the attitude of "prove to me that my sources are incorrect" but I love it when BigDaddy comes out and almost every time says the rumors are crap...

Goose - I am not saying you do all of these but you do supply some of the rumored facts and then others run with them supporting the conspiracy...

Quote from: Goose on May 30, 2012, 10:34:19 AM
Hoop
To disagree is complete acceptable to me. All I have ever asked is for someone to disagree with facts and not just opinion. Gladly respect anyone's opinion but not going to accept it as factual without facts. Virtually every post saying everything is perfect in Warrior Nation is someone's opinion. If all anyone is stating opinion not sure why Dimes or Madtown has opinion better than mine or anyone elses.

I am very glad that you are completely confident that Buzz is remaining long term and no issues in program. I want to be wrong on the big picture issues and want us to climb the hoops ladder in upcoming years. No budget is too big for me, I'd take one and done's, JUCO's, transfers and borderline students everyday. I have ZERO interest or desire for anything negative to happen. That said, until proven otherwise I will be watching closely.

Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 30, 2012, 11:24:49 AM
opinions are fine, disagreements are fine - what I take offense to is the use of "sources" to state their facts with no ability to define the credibility of the sources

You must have hated Watergate.

I won't claim to have vast sources. But I have had people tell me things in the past when they either didn't want me to convey exact details to others or didn't want people to know it came from them. I think it's pretty common for that to happen. Maybe this place explodes over some of the information that trickles down in that fashion, but is it really the fault of the messenger?

That's the biggest problem on this site. Don't shoot the messenger. If we could fire guns through the internet, the people most willing to share information here would all be rattled with bullet holes.

the whole Hiroshima thing SUCKS!

Madtown
I would take your comments in far better way if you did not feel a need to insult everyone you disagree with. In addition, it would be nice if you coud keep scorecard on your "tinfoil" crowd. Two months after the Buzz/SMU mess I stick by comments, but please do your homework on my comments. I never was in Hiroshima crowd. I do find your taking offense to be comical...offense over what?

Quote from: Earl Tatum on May 30, 2012, 12:52:55 PM
the whole Hiroshima thing SUCKS!

can i vote for this?

Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 30, 2012, 10:14:22 AM
I'd like to participate as well, especially since Boceph thinks whenever someone disagrees with him it is the same person with multiple accounts.  He can't fathom the concept that many do not agree with him on this issue, instead it is something sinister, almost tin-foilish (not a word, I know) going on. 

Aww Hoop, I don't think I've ever hopped on board the "Hoop is Chicos" bandwagon so I expect a little courtesy in return.  I was merely insinuating that madtown's excitement over the the topic of this poll would cause him to create multiple accounts to make his voice heard many times over.  Clearly I should have been more specific.

Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2012, 05:05:59 PM
Buzz came back. His top assistant was regarded highly enough to get a head-coaching job. Two new assistants, including one with some serious chops, are on board. And we're about to play a huge-exposure game on an aircraft carrier.

Yep, sure sounds like the powers that be are about to blow up the program.

Oh, and I forgot to mention Lockett's arrival.

Goose -  I disagree with many posters that I don't insult or even post rebuttals to, I pretty much just react to just the people who spew one of the following:

1)  Pilarz/Williams conspiracy to ruin MU basketball
2)  the notion of MU desiring to get to the SLU level
3)  the whole Hiroshima / MU being unfair to existing players

I think all three are a bunch of crap (and yes, I only identify you with #2 and possibly a little with #1)....

As I said before, there are likely changes desired by MU in the program, Buzz may agree with some and not others, Buzz may or may not be happy, but the extreme level this board has taken it to with the above three is ridiculous.  

I did not start the tin-foil hat stuff, I used it often and so have many others (however, it's not "my tinfoil posse.")   It gets old, so does the spewing of the above three. Maybe if some sane views and discussion showed up, the tinfoil crap would stop...

Quote from: Goose on May 30, 2012, 01:05:30 PM
Madtown
I would take your comments in far better way if you did not feel a need to insult everyone you disagree with. In addition, it would be nice if you coud keep scorecard on your "tinfoil" crowd. Two months after the Buzz/SMU mess I stick by comments, but please do your homework on my comments. I never was in Hiroshima crowd. I do find your taking offense to be comical...offense over what?

Would love to see the mods fly the Enola Gay and drop a ban bomb on anyone who uses "Hiroshima" or "tinfoil hat" in a post.

Quote from: MUfan12 on May 30, 2012, 02:21:17 PM
Would love to see the mods fly the Enola Gay and drop a ban bomb on anyone who uses "Hiroshima" or "tinfoil hat" in a post.

+1

Also anyone that mentions SLU.

Or Notre Dame, for that matter ;D

Madtown
I do not think Fr. P has conspiracy to ruin MU basketball. I do believe he a long term plan for the school and quite possibly basketball has lesser role. As a fan of the program I want it to get better, not go backwards. Said a 1000x I do not think goal is have basketball fade away but history has shown that new attitides and changes often take things backwards.  

I'll take it one level deeper and say that most of the "sources" being cited on Scoop are bumpkins.

Most of us have friends who work for MU and/or in & around the athletic dept., but the two guys I know qualify everything with something along the lines of "this is what I'm hearing but can't confirm."  And yes, just like everyone else, I assume that my guys are in or should be in a position to know, but evidently, I've got crappy friends because they really don't know the whole story.  So if you got a source who claims that what they're telling you is 100% true and said source isn't in Corey's book club, then you're being spoon fed crap, because neither of the other three guys who are able to confirm something are doing so.

In an effort to perpetuate the theme, it's like asking Chinese Intelligence for info on Hiroshima... they might give you something plausible, dress it up in a nice package, and make it seem like they should know what's going on, but is the info really trustworthy, and where exactly did it come from?

Or as Judge Judy would say, "If you want to eat it, go ahead, but don't crap in my takeout box and tell me it's Kung Pow Chicken."

BennyB
So what do your "friends" tell you that cannot be confirmed? I would think if enough people said the same thing to me I would probably believe it be be highly likely to be true. Just like if ten posters on here all said they heard Looney was a lock for MU I would take it as 95% possibility. Are your friends sharing good news or bad news?

Problem is that if 10 posters are saying something on MUSCOOP, it likely 2 people posted with similar sources and 8 people claiming to have sources saying the same thing but really just piling on show they know something or have sources too or just want to reinforce the original poster

So, no I would not believe it to be true if 10 posters on scoop say the same thing.

Now if BigDaddy posts something (or ddsam on scout) say something, I believe them....

Quote from: Goose on May 30, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
BennyB
So what do your "friends" tell you that cannot be confirmed? I would think if enough people said the same thing to me I would probably believe it be be highly likely to be true. Just like if ten posters on here all said they heard Looney was a lock for MU I would take it as 95% possibility. Are your friends sharing good news or bad news?

Quote from: MUfan12 on May 30, 2012, 02:21:17 PM
Would love to see the mods fly the Enola Gay and drop a ban bomb on anyone who uses "Hiroshima" or "tinfoil hat" in a post.

I think MUfan12 just earned Moderator-for-the-week.

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on May 30, 2012, 04:30:15 PM
I think MUfan12 just earned Moderator-for-the-week.

Ooh ooh can I be next week.   Me and the fez cat.

I propose "Hiroshima" should be replaced - in the MUScoop filter - with "bacon."

'Cuz who doesn't love bacon?

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 30, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
I propose "Hiroshima" should be replaced - in the MUScoop filter - with "bacon."

'Cuz who doesn't love bacon?

Damn, why didn't we think of that. 

Quote from: Benny B on May 30, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
I'll take it one level deeper and say that most of the "sources" being cited on Scoop are bumpkins.

Most of us have friends who work for MU and/or in & around the athletic dept., but the two guys I know qualify everything with something along the lines of "this is what I'm hearing but can't confirm."  And yes, just like everyone else, I assume that my guys are in or should be in a position to know, but evidently, I've got crappy friends because they really don't know the whole story.

This is a serious question, because I have no idea...how many people work in the athletic department/for MU that would be in a position to really know about the stuff that's been flying around here for the last 6-8 weeks?  5?  10?  20?  

It seems to me (again, without any real knowledge) a numerical impossibility that all the posters who claim "sources" inside the department would really have any that are in a position to know the real story, unless said posters know the same people.

Quote from: ZiggysFryB'oy on May 30, 2012, 04:42:15 PM
Ooh ooh can I be next week.   Me and the fez cat.

Just you and your wet, hairy, cat?

You want "Hiroshima"? The Hornets won the NBA Lottery. Like Simmons tweeted, when did the NBA become the WWE?

Quote from: jesmu84 on May 30, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
You want "Hiroshima"? The Hornets won the NBA Lottery. Like Simmons tweeted, when did the NBA become the WWE?

He had a conspiracy theory for about 6 different teams, so let's not get too crazy here.

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2012, 02:23:16 PM
+1

Also anyone that mentions SLU.

Or Notre Dame, for that matter ;D

ND sucks.  Did I mention, ND sucks?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

marquette is bacon

Should we start adding all of the auto corrects to the wiki?  I'd read that.

Quote from: Goose on May 30, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
BennyB
So what do your "friends" tell you that cannot be confirmed? I would think if enough people said the same thing to me I would probably believe it be be highly likely to be true. Just like if ten posters on here all said they heard Looney was a lock for MU I would take it as 95% possibility. Are your friends sharing good news or bad news?

Good or bad?  That depends on where you fall on the Kentucky (win at all costs)-BYU (integrity first) spectrum.  My take --- I really don't know because the same bits of information - some which have been tossed around these parts - are seemingly being interpreted and spun quite differently depending on who the messenger is.  There's a lot of smoke out there, but apparently, nobody knows whether it's coming from a BBQ, a tire fire, a warrior on a hilltop, or the fog that rises every morning this time of year.

Benny,
Thanks for update. Sounds like you are not concerned and think we will remain on task to keep improving the program. Respect your take and hope your sources/you have the right take on situation. FYI--I lean more UK way than BYU, but do understand the lines not to be crossed.

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 30, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
I propose "Hiroshima" should be replaced - in the MUScoop filter - with "bacon."

'Cuz who doesn't love bacon?

Pigs.

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 31, 2012, 09:38:57 AM
Pigs.

Pigs are omnivores and they definitely eat other pigs.  They'd love bacon.

Quote from: Goose on May 31, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Benny,
I lean more UK way than BYU, but do understand the lines not to be crossed.

This is actually the root of the entire "debate".

Everybody has their own line on how MU should act as a program, and when we don't agree, we shake our fist at each other and post pictures of cats in tinfoil hats (which are hilarious btw).

My guess is that each BOT member has their own "line" as well, and they probably have similar conversations from time to time (hopefully with tinfoil cats).

MU doesn't want to be SLU, but they don't want to be Memphis/UNLV/Miami Football. You don't want to overreact to some small stuff and handcuff your own program, but you also want to nip things in the bud to prevent future issues.

It's more of an art than a science, not unlike parenting, staff management or even coaching. When to push, when to pull back.  

The people involved in MU decisions appear to be well placed and qualified, so I have some faith that they know what is best and will manage accordingly.*

*my faith is slightly tempered by the nickname fiasco. Dear Lord that was stupid, but nevertheless, there are some smart people who have done a lot of good things over the past 15 years, and some good new blood as well.

Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 31, 2012, 09:45:31 AM
Pigs are omnivores and they definitely eat other pigs.  They'd love bacon.

Yep.  Just ask this guy:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Mrwu.jpg/250px-Mrwu.jpg)

"White Cocksucka... YOU! SWIDGEN!"

2002
You are exactly correct. It comes down to does Fr. P think Buzz is closer to UNLV line of thinking or not. If they feel taking away some firepower from Buzz it is going to affect the program. If they feel everything is fine...no problems. It basically comes down to Fr. P's opinion of Buzz and how he runs the program. I fully understand everyone has different lines in the sand and I hope ours does not go backwards.

Quote from: Goose on May 31, 2012, 10:02:00 AM
2002
You are exactly correct. It comes down to does Fr. P think Buzz is closer to UNLV line of thinking or not. If they feel taking away some firepower from Buzz it is going to affect the program. If they feel everything is fine...no problems. It basically comes down to Fr. P's opinion of Buzz and how he runs the program. I fully understand everyone has different lines in the sand and I hope ours does not go backwards.

Not to nitpick, but I don't know if it's a Pilarz v Buzz issue. I think its more the MU upper management (BOT, Pres., AD, larger donors) evaluating where they are at, where they are headed, and where they want to be as a University and as an athletic department.

Buzz is certainly a part of that equation, but I think picking him and Pilarz out specifically is too myopic. This isn't a GM vs Head Coach type of thing. MU is a far bigger organization than any pro-sports team. A lot of layers, opinions and concerned parties that need to be considered.

2002
It is nitpicking if you believe all parties are involved and not nitpicking if you think Fr. P has own beliefs. I am not sure BOT and Fr. P have same beliefs and that is the problem. It is not uncommon for new Presidents to want new people and often BOD or BOT allow freedom within reason. IMO it comes down to Fr. P and not BOT. The BOT hired Buzz had seen body of work for four years and cannot see any reason why they would change a thing.

Quote from: Goose on May 31, 2012, 10:22:58 AM
2002
It is nitpicking if you believe all parties are involved and not nitpicking if you think Fr. P has own beliefs. I am not sure BOT and Fr. P have same beliefs and that is the problem. It is not uncommon for new Presidents to want new people and often BOD or BOT allow freedom within reason. IMO it comes down to Fr. P and not BOT. The BOT hired Buzz had seen body of work for four years and cannot see any reason why they would change a thing.

Doesn't the BOT have a say in the new president as well, or am I crazy?

I was not worried about becoming St. Louis. My biggest worry was that Mayo would not be back. Losing him would not have doomed the program, but it would of been Hiroshima to me. What I worried about is will Mayo be here in September, will the Big East implode this summer and will Burton and Wilson actually sign. Hiroshima for this season ends on the November signing date. Then it will time to start worrying about next year's Hiroshima. Will Buzz leave, will the Big East implode, etc.

Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 31, 2012, 09:49:08 AM
This is actually the root of the entire "debate".

Everybody has their own line on how MU should act as a program, and when we don't agree, we shake our fist at each other and post pictures of cats in tinfoil hats (which are hilarious btw).

My guess is that each BOT member has their own "line" as well, and they probably have similar conversations from time to time (hopefully with tinfoil cats).

MU doesn't want to be SLU, but they don't want to be Memphis/UNLV/Miami Football. You don't want to overreact to some small stuff and handcuff your own program, but you also want to nip things in the bud to prevent future issues.

It's more of an art than a science, not unlike parenting, staff management or even coaching. When to push, when to pull back.  

The people involved in MU decisions appear to be well placed and qualified, so I have some faith that they know what is best and will manage accordingly.*

*my faith is slightly tempered by the nickname fiasco. Dear Lord that was stupid, but nevertheless, there are some smart people who have done a lot of good things over the past 15 years, and some good new blood as well.

Very well stated.  The one point in all of this Hiroshima talk and status of "things" that cannot be denied are the comments Larry Williams made to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about Buzz.  They were flat out stupid, dumb, and ill conceived.  There is no speculation in any of that - and it illustrated bad judgement - therefore it isn't a complete stretch for people here to hypothesize that other bad judgement/decisions could be made with LW's input.

Quote from: Ners on May 31, 2012, 11:37:09 AM
Very well stated.  The one point in all of this Hiroshima talk and status of "things" that cannot be denied are the comments Larry Williams made to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about Buzz.  They were flat out stupid, dumb, and ill conceived.  There is no speculation in any of that - and it illustrated bad judgement - therefore it isn't a complete stretch for people here to hypothesize that other bad judgement/decisions could be made with LW's input.

Plus, he's a domer so everybody was wary of him to begin with.

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 30, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
I propose "Hiroshima" should be replaced - in the MUScoop filter - with "bacon."

'Cuz who doesn't love bacon?

I'm down, both with the idea, and bacon. 

Can we also autocorrect "sources" with "bozo"?  As in "A BOZO who I really trust told me that multiple players were going to transfer, because of new, absurdly high academic standards being ex post facto and retroactively applied."

How can you not laugh, or alternatively, be terrified?  I think that will satisfy both camps.

(http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/bozo.jpg)

Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 31, 2012, 09:45:31 AM
Pigs are omnivores and they definitely eat other pigs.  They'd love bacon.

"(Lisa) "I'm going to become a vegetarian" (Homer) "Does that mean you're not going to eat any pork?" "Yes" "Bacon?" "Yes Dad" Ham?" "Dad all those meats come from the same animal" "Right Lisa, some wonderful, magical animal!""

"Porkchops and bacon, my two favorite animals."

"When you're in my house you shall do as I do and believe who I believe in. So Bart butter your bacon."

"Mmmm. Move over, eggs. Bacon just got a new best friend – fudge."

Homer: I'll have the smiley face breakfast special. Uhh, but could you add a bacon nose? Plus bacon hair, bacon mustache, five o'clock shadow made of bacon bits and a bacon body.
Waitress: How about I just shove a pig down your throat?
(Homer looks excited)
Waitress: I was kidding.
Homer: Fine, but the bacon man lives in a bacon house!
Waitress: No he doesn't!

Quote from: Ners on May 31, 2012, 11:37:09 AM
Very well stated.  The one point in all of this Hiroshima talk and status of "things" that cannot be denied are the comments Larry Williams made to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about Buzz.  They were flat out stupid, dumb, and ill conceived.  There is no speculation in any of that - and it illustrated bad judgement - therefore it isn't a complete stretch for people here to hypothesize that other bad judgement/decisions could be made with LW's input.

That makes no sense.
It's like pointing out the bad judgments that went into the signings of Brett Roseboro and Aaron Durley, and using it as evidence that Buzz Williams is a poor judge of talent and his every motive and every action must now be questioned. Or Buzz's blow up with MacIlvaine.
After all, the man has shown he's capable of making stupid, dumb and ill conceived decisions.

Of course, it would be foolish to make such claims. Just as it would be foolish to make such claims about LW because you didn't like a quote he gave a newspaper.

Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2012, 12:18:11 PM
That makes no sense.
It's like pointing out the bad judgments that went into the signings of Brett Roseboro and Aaron Durley, and using it as evidence that Buzz Williams is a poor judge of talent and his every motive and every action must now be questioned. Or Buzz's blow up with MacIlvaine.
After all, the man has shown he's capable of making stupid, dumb and ill conceived decisions.

Of course, it would be foolish to make such claims. Just as it would be foolish to make such claims about LW because you didn't like a quote he gave a newspaper.

I think the point he's getting at is the quote is all we have to go on at this point.  It wasn't an ideal first impression.  You can't say Buzz is a poor judge of talent now because of guys like Crowder and Mayo, but back when the Roseboro thing first happened, many people couldn't believe how poorly Buzz evaluated him. 

You have to judge based on all of the facts, and we simply don't have many right now on LW.

Quote from: Bocephys on May 31, 2012, 12:25:44 PM
I think the point he's getting at is the quote is all we have to go on at this point.  It wasn't an ideal first impression.  You can't say Buzz is a poor judge of talent now because of guys like Crowder and Mayo, but back when the Roseboro thing first happened, many people couldn't believe how poorly Buzz evaluated him. 

You have to judge based on all of the facts, and we simply don't have many right now on LW.

Larry Williams didn't arrive at Marquette without a resume. He has a track record of significant success elsewhere.
Whether that success carries over to MU remains to be seen, but to start off with the assumption he's incompetent because you don't like a newspaper quote (and, let's face it, plenty here seem to dislike him simply because of where he went to school) hardly is fair or accurate.

Quote from: Bocephys on May 31, 2012, 12:25:44 PM
I think the point he's getting at is the quote is all we have to go on at this point.  It wasn't an ideal first impression.  You can't say Buzz is a poor judge of talent now because of guys like Crowder and Mayo, but back when the Roseboro thing first happened, many people couldn't believe how poorly Buzz evaluated him. 

You have to judge based on all of the facts, and we simply don't have many right now on LW.

Well, we have the facts that:

(1) Buzz is still here.
(2) It doesn't appear, at this point, that any of the kids were "forced" off the team.
(3) Buzz was apparently given something of a blank check to land an assistant coach that he *REALLY* wanted.

Those are good things. Right?

Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2012, 12:32:48 PM
Larry Williams didn't arrive at Marquette without a resume. He has a track record of significant success elsewhere.
Whether that success carries over to MU remains to be seen, but to start off with the assumption he's incompetent because you don't like a newspaper quote (and, let's face it, plenty here seem to dislike him simply because of where he went to school) hardly is fair or accurate.

Can you clarify what his track record of significant success elsewhere has been?  Because he played in NFL doesn't make him accomplished as an athletic director.  Furthermore, to try to say because Buzz has missed on some players he signed with regard to talent evaluation (very subjective..and at times you take a flyer on a kid anyway), correlates to bad decision-making...and therefore is on par with the lack of common sense exhibited by Larry Williams in making the comments is not a valid argument.

I personally could care less if he want to Notre Dame...if the guy was a Marquette grad, I'd have called him an idiot too for making the comments LW made.

On a more basic level - do you feel LW's comments to the JS about Buzz illustrated common sense/good judgement?

The blame for missing on the talent evaluation of players somewhat falls on the assistants, who do a large part of the leg work. Everyone one knows who the top notch recruits are. When MU does not get them they have to look for diamonds in the rough and that is often where the assistants come in. I forget which assistant, but one of them found Roseboro. Of course Buzz is responsible for the assistants. When Buzz started as MU's coach, he had no real track record, which meant he had to take chances. Some worked and some did not, which is what you would expect.

Quote from: Ners on May 31, 2012, 01:10:58 PM
Can you clarify what his track record of significant success elsewhere has been?  Because he played in NFL doesn't make him accomplished as an athletic director.  Furthermore, to try to say because Buzz has missed on some players he signed with regard to talent evaluation (very subjective..and at times you take a flyer on a kid anyway), correlates to bad decision-making...and therefore is on par with the lack of common sense exhibited by Larry Williams in making the comments is not a valid argument.

I personally could care less if he want to Notre Dame...if the guy was a Marquette grad, I'd have called him an idiot too for making the comments LW made.

On a more basic level - do you feel LW's comments to the JS about Buzz illustrated common sense/good judgement?

Just answering your question.

During the 2009-10 season, the Pilots finished fifth nationally among Division I non-football schools in a ranking based on performance in all sports. Five programs were nationally ranked during their respective seasons and five teams advanced to postseason play.

Under Williams' guidance, the Pilots claimed a second NCAA Division I Championship in women's soccer in 2005. The men's cross country program has advanced to eight consecutive NCAA Championships, while the men's basketball program earned its first national ranking in 50 years. The men's basketball program has advanced to the postseason each of the last two seasons.

Dozens of Pilot student-athletes earned academic honors.

Screw everything that pertains to Hiroshima. Sucks

Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2012, 12:32:48 PM
Larry Williams didn't arrive at Marquette without a resume. He has a track record of significant success elsewhere.
Whether that success carries over to MU remains to be seen, but to start off with the assumption he's incompetent because you don't like a newspaper quote (and, let's face it, plenty here seem to dislike him simply because of where he went to school) hardly is fair or accurate.

First, i don't care that Larry Williams went to ND, nor did I care that Steve Cottingham went to UW, etc. Many here are/were more than ready to needle Larry (or Steve) about it, but I'd guess that very few here really have reservations about LW based on where he went to college.

Second, I found the Buzz/Mac postgame exchange as disturbing as I found Larry William's remarks to the Journal about Buzz - until Buzz admitted that he misinterpreted something Jim had said and apologized vociferously to Mac on the air. When Larry likewise publicly apologizes to Buzz for his Journal interview he'll be aces with me. Til then I'll assume he stands by what he said which makes him a dick (and not a particularly bright dick) in my book.  

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2012, 02:15:03 PM
First, i don't care that Larry Williams went to ND, nor did I care that Steve Cottingham went to UW, etc. Many here are/were more than ready to needle Larry (or Steve) about it, but I'd guess that very few here really have reservations about LW based on where he went to college.

Second, I found the Buzz/Mac postgame exchange as disturbing as I found Larry William's remarks to the Journal about Buzz - until Buzz admitted that he misinterpreted something Jim had said and apologized vociferously to Mac on the air. When Larry likewise publicly apologizes to Buzz for his Journal interview he'll be aces with me. Til then I'll assume he stands by what he said which makes him a dick (and not a particularly bright dick) in my book.  

For pointing out that Buzz can sometimes be wound a little too tightly for everyone's good, a fact which Buzz himself has acknowledged? We're still really hung up on this?

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2012, 02:15:03 PM
First, i don't care that Larry Williams went to ND, nor did I care that Steve Cottingham went to UW, etc. Many here are/were more than ready to needle Larry (or Steve) about it, but I'd guess that very few here really have reservations about LW based on where he went to college.

Second, I found the Buzz/Mac postgame exchange as disturbing as I found Larry William's remarks to the Journal about Buzz - until Buzz admitted that he misinterpreted something Jim had said and apologized vociferously to Mac on the air. When Larry likewise publicly apologizes to Buzz for his Journal interview he'll be aces with me. Til then I'll assume he stands by what he said which makes him a dick (and not a particularly bright dick) in my book.  

Personally, I didn't find LW comments that crazy. However, if Buzz did (and that's what matters), then I hope LW patched it up with Buzz. For me, there is no need for a public apology. As long as those guys can operate together professionally, I'm cool.

Quote from: Rubie Q on May 31, 2012, 02:19:28 PM
For pointing out that Buzz can sometimes be wound a little too tightly for everyone's good, a fact which Buzz himself has acknowledged? We're still really hung up on this?

Find me an AD worth his salt who would a) suggest he can make his coaches better or b) publicly rip his coach's demeanor after an extremely minor matter that's been apologiged for ad infinitum.

A decent AD handles these things in private, not in the newspaper. Larry made a stupid, rookie (this isn't Portland) mistake. Apologize (see Buzz Williams) and it's quickly behind you. Don't and doubts over your judgement linger.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2012, 02:42:11 PM
Find me an AD worth his salt who would a) suggest he can make his coaches better or b) publicly rip his coach's demeanor after an extremely minor matter that's been apologiged for ad infinitum.

A decent AD handles these things in private, not in the newspaper. Larry made a stupid, rookie (this isn't Portland) mistake. Apologize (see Buzz Williams) and it's quickly behind you. Don't and doubts over your judgement linger.

As 2002 pointed out: maybe that's exactly what he did, assuming Buzz was mortally offended by his comments (which I have a hard time believing to be the case, but whatevs). Why do we have to know about it?

Quote from: Rubie Q on May 31, 2012, 02:45:13 PM
As 2002 pointed out: maybe that's exactly what he did, assuming Buzz was mortally offended by his comments (which I have a hard time believing to be the case, but whatevs). Why do we have to know about it?

Sorry, but I would never trust a guy who apologizes privately for something said or done publicly. Man up.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
Sorry, but I would never trust a guy who apologizes privately for something said or done publicly. Man up.

So: that's it? Your mind is made up about Larry Williams, no matter what he does in the future? Seems harsh, but that's your prerogative.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
Sorry, but I would never trust a guy who apologizes privately for something said or done publicly. Man up.

It all depends on the relationship and how they get along.

Might be better if they just had a beer and chatted vs. a public announcement for some quotes that nobody outside of this board (and possibly Buzz) even noticed.

All conjecture, I suppose. If they share a rack of ribs at the BBQ, I'll take a picture.

/puts tinfoil on head
/feels better

Quote from: Rubie Q on May 31, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
So: that's it? Your mind is made up about Larry Williams, no matter what he does in the future? Seems harsh, but that's your prerogative.

Absolutely not. I shouldn't have used "never". He said some foolish things in public. Every "public person" will do that from time to time so no big thing. I'm troubled that he left what he said out there without clarification and/or apology because it speaks to his character, but maybe this is an outlier. I hope so. Believe me, I'm hoping Larry will prove over time to be MU's best AD ever.

I've said it before but LW saying that he wants to help Buzz be a better coach should not be viewed as an insult at all. It is a sign of a supportive boss. He didn't say he was going to "teach him to be a better coach.". He said "help."  That could mean providing resources to visit more clinics...provide resources for assistants...recruiting, etc.

Saying your coach was "happy as a clam to dance across that court, but didn't think for a minute about offending people," and "ties his tie too tight, and he will either explode or irrevocably offend somebody beyond repair," aren't exactly ringing endorsements of a coach who has just delivered your (Larry Williams') university its best back to back post seasons since Al McGuire.

Saying you want to "help Buzz become a better coach," along with the above quotes in the same article reeks of condescending and criticism to me, more than support...

Well I guess in the end it doesn't matter what any of us thinks about the comment...just what Buzz thinks. If Buzz wasn't offended, or even if he was but no longer is, then our OUTRAGE is misplaced. If Buzz and still is offended by the comments then well ok. But none of us truly know.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 31, 2012, 03:45:39 PM
Well I guess in the end it doesn't matter what any of us thinks about the comment...just what Buzz thinks. If Buzz wasn't offended, or even if he was but no longer is, then our OUTRAGE is misplaced. If Buzz and still is offended by the comments then well ok. But none of us truly know.

All true.

Who's winning the match?

As far as the "insider information"... I know a number of people that are very high up.  That is big donors, Homer gives shout outs etc.  i have heard alot of stuff from them over the years.  My guess is 1/3 of the crap i hear comes to fruition. 

Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 31, 2012, 03:03:15 PM

Might be better if they just had a beer and chatted

I think we all know of a backyard that they could have this Summit in.

Quote from: JakeBarnes on May 31, 2012, 04:23:44 PM
Who's winning the match?

State.

Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2012, 12:32:48 PM
Larry Williams didn't arrive at Marquette without a resume. He has a track record of significant success elsewhere.
Whether that success carries over to MU remains to be seen, but to start off with the assumption he's incompetent because you don't like a newspaper quote (and, let's face it, plenty here seem to dislike him simply because of where he went to school) hardly is fair or accurate.

The man certainly doesn't know his audience if he (as has been rumored) has muttered the words, "The Notre Dame Way".  I can't overstate the cold creepy feeling I get to think that that is our AD's model.

Quote from: LittleMurs on May 31, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
The man certainly doesn't know his audience if he (as has been rumored) has muttered the words, "The Notre Dame Way".  I can't overstate the cold creepy feeling I get to think that that is our AD's model.

waiting for the day he starts telling ND football stories and how he had to live in the gen. dorms, making his experience unique...

"we're going inside em, we're going outside em, fight fight fight"

ND way is what I fear....cause ND is wanna be Ivy these days which means they suffer in big boy sports.   And they're a top 35 university.

Quote from: Stone Cold on May 31, 2012, 10:19:01 PM
waiting for the day he starts telling ND football stories and how he had to live in the gen. dorms, making his experience unique...


ND way is what I fear....cause ND is wanna be Ivy these days which means they suffer in big boy sports.   And they're a top 35 university.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-notre-dame-lb-calabrese-charged-with-intimidation-20120516,0,7521108.story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-notre-dame-qb-rees-jailed-in-police-confrontation-20120503,0,299209.story

Hmmmmmmm.....

In regards to the basketball program I think Fr. P is a much greater concern. LW only has so much power and has to take direction. We have seen new President come in before and not make sound decisions. For the record, I am not making comment on Fr. P off of past poor decisions. He might have bigger things in mind than LW ever could. In addition, how long does anyone think LW will be here? He is a football guy and should be at football school.

Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2012, 12:18:11 PM
That makes no sense.
It's like pointing out the bad judgments that went into the signings of Brett Roseboro and Aaron Durley, and using it as evidence that Buzz Williams is a poor judge of talent and his every motive and every action must now be questioned. Or Buzz's blow up with MacIlvaine.
After all, the man has shown he's capable of making stupid, dumb and ill conceived decisions.

Of course, it would be foolish to make such claims. Just as it would be foolish to make such claims about LW because you didn't like a quote he gave a newspaper.

THIS.  Pakuni.  Hits. NAIL. ON. Head. AGAIN

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2012, 02:42:11 PM
Find me an AD worth his salt who would a) suggest he can make his coaches better or b) publicly rip his coach's demeanor after an extremely minor matter that's been apologiged for ad infinitum.

A decent AD handles these things in private, not in the newspaper. Larry made a stupid, rookie (this isn't Portland) mistake. Apologize (see Buzz Williams) and it's quickly behind you. Don't and doubts over your judgement linger.

Extremely minor matter that made sports headlines all over the country with divisions about whether Buzz was just being Buzz (my argument) or Buzz disrespecting another school (don't think he did that, but plenty of people did).  Buzz apologized within seconds.  You have no context, Lenny, as to how the question was asked of Larry Williams, but you sure seem to think you know all the intent behind his answer. 

You sure get defensive about Buzz sometimes.  None of the comments LW made about Buzz were demeaning, but you keep going there as if they were.   I commend Sultan, Rubie, etc for seeing it like it was, a harmless comment in a context that none of us know.  What if the reporter said "LW, what did you say to Buzz about the incident"?    Instead you make it out like LW couldn't wait to get out to the media and say something that you, ners and 3 other people in America believe was an assault on his manhood.  Give it up already.

Quote from: Ners on May 31, 2012, 03:41:15 PM
Saying your coach was "happy as a clam to dance across that court, but didn't think for a minute about offending people," and "ties his tie too tight, and he will either explode or irrevocably offend somebody beyond repair," aren't exactly ringing endorsements of a coach who has just delivered your (Larry Williams') university its best back to back post seasons since Al McGuire.

Saying you want to "help Buzz become a better coach," along with the above quotes in the same article reeks of condescending and criticism to me, more than support...

Did Buzz email you about how upset he was?   ::)

Quote from: JakeBarnes on May 31, 2012, 04:23:44 PM
Who's winning the match?

The non tin-foil crowd by a side margin.

Quote from: LittleMurs on May 31, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
The man certainly doesn't know his audience if he (as has been rumored) has muttered the words, "The Notre Dame Way".  I can't overstate the cold creepy feeling I get to think that that is our AD's model.

Any truth that he said it?

Secondly, Notre Dame's athletic department is so much better than ours it isn't worth a discussion.  It would be great to be a top 20 all sports program like they are.  Men's hoops, women's hoops, field hockey, baseball, track, women's soccer.  At some point we have to get over our penis envy and realize there are other schools that do it better than us and it is ok to strive to be like programs that are better.    I hate their smugness as much as anyone here, but if you were to tell me that we could become as good as ND's athletic department who wouldn't want that?  National champions in 8 different sports (we have one).  Total national championships at 27, MU at 1. 

Mods, how much will it take to ban this guy....hoopachic

I know you are very tolerant, and most of us appreciate it.  This board is a ton of fun.

His post above is just plain stupid.

Good lord.

Good thing I've never said anything stupid. ;).

Quote from: Goose on May 31, 2012, 10:38:29 PM
In regards to the basketball program I think Fr. P is a much greater concern. LW only has so much power and has to take direction. We have seen new President come in before and not make sound decisions. For the record, I am not making comment on Fr. P off of past poor decisions. He might have bigger things in mind than LW ever could. In addition, how long does anyone think LW will be here? He is a football guy and should be at football school.

Exactly! Just like how Larry screwed University of Portland up (for the past 7 years) because he was too focused on their football team.

/googles University of Portland
// realizes they don't have football
///Thanks Ammo

(from back in March)
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32045.msg381695#msg381695

Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 31, 2012, 11:28:13 PM
Exactly! Just like how Larry screwed University of Portland up (for the past 7 years) because he was too focused on their football team.

/googles University of Portland
// realizes they don't have football
///Thanks Ammo

(from back in March)
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32045.msg381695#msg381695

I call bullchit. The real ammo wouldn't have to use google to check on their football team, he'd know from his sports betting guide.

Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 31, 2012, 11:28:13 PM
Exactly! Just like how Larry screwed University of Portland up (for the past 7 years) because he was too focused on their football team.

/googles University of Portland
// realizes they don't have football
///Thanks Ammo

(from back in March)
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32045.msg381695#msg381695

Yeah, just because he played football in college that doesn't make him a "football guy."  Just as I am no longer a "hang out in a bar until 2AM guy."

Quote from: ZiggysFryB'oy on June 01, 2012, 06:25:03 AM
I call bullchit. The real ammo wouldn't have to use google to check on their football team, he'd know from his sports betting guide.

Ammo bets exclusively on MAC football.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 01, 2012, 06:36:54 AM

Yeah, just because he played football in college that doesn't make him a "football guy."  Just as I am no longer a "hang out in a bar until 2AM guy."

Yeah, but that's still where your heart is :)

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 01, 2012, 10:47:45 AM
Yeah, but that's still where your heart is :)

My heart will always be someplace between a bar and a 230am gyro.

Quote from: 2002MUalum on June 01, 2012, 10:50:13 AM
My heart will always be someplace between a bar and a 230am gyro.

Chili for me

Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 31, 2012, 11:06:21 PM


 

  What if the reporter said "LW, what did you say to Buzz about the incident"?   

OK. First, LW says "My conversations with Buzz are between him and me and I don't share them with reporters". Then he might add that Buzz had already addressed the "incident" on numerous occasions and their was no need for him to add anything.

Or, he could take a totally unnecessary shot at his coach in the paper, which I guess is your preferred response.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 01, 2012, 11:16:10 AM
OK. First, LW says "My conversations with Buzz are between him and me and I don't share them with reporters". Then he might add that Buzz had already addressed the "incident" on numerous occasions and their was no need for him to add anything.

Or, he could take a totally unnecessary shot at his coach in the paper, which I guess is your preferred response.

Lenny, don't feed the troll.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 01, 2012, 06:36:54 AM

Yeah, just because he played football in college that doesn't make him a "football guy."  Just as I am no longer a "hang out in a bar until 2AM guy."

Are you now a Joe Nethen is my avatar guy?

Quote from: real chili 83 on June 01, 2012, 07:23:13 PM
Lenny, don't feed the troll.

+1

Okay, so yesterday I heard a second-hand rumor; that Cadougan and Mayo will be ineligible this fall!  Can someone please dispel this for me?  I haven't given it much credence, but still, someone's saying it and pretending to have inside info.

Quote from: augoman on June 05, 2012, 02:17:10 PM
Okay, so yesterday I heard a second-hand rumor; that Cadougan and Mayo will be ineligible this fall!  Can someone please dispel this for me?  I haven't given it much credence, but still, someone's saying it and pretending to have inside info.

No big loss there with Cadougan...

Quote from: JDuquaine on June 05, 2012, 02:21:40 PM
No big loss there with Cadougan...

That statement shows you know nothing about basketball.

disagree.  Our O runs much better with Cadougan distributing the ball.

Quote from: bilsu on June 05, 2012, 02:23:40 PM
That statement shows you know nothing about basketball.

Refer to JC during big games this season IE: Big East Tourney, NCAA Tourney....  And tell me how he did.

I'm not even going to get started on this debate. So I'll just stop here.

Quote from: JDuquaine on June 05, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Refer to JC during big games this season IE: Big East Tourney, NCAA Tourney....  And tell me how he did.

I'm not even going to get started on this debate. So I'll just stop here.

You started the debate, so good job stopping it before you got started after starting it.

Quote from: JDuquaine on June 05, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Refer to JC during big games this season IE: Big East Tourney, NCAA Tourney....  And tell me how he did.

I'm not even going to get started on this debate. So I'll just stop here.

We would not of made the NCAA tournament without him.

through out that Louisville game and really, just how bad was JC?

I'm one that is glad he's on Marquette

Quote from: augoman on June 05, 2012, 02:17:10 PM
Okay, so yesterday I heard a second-hand rumor; that Cadougan and Mayo will be ineligible this fall!  Can someone please dispel this for me?  I haven't given it much credence, but still, someone's saying it and pretending to have inside info.

For further reading on credibility of "people claiming to have inside information," see earlier posts and related threads.