Jeff Goodman is reporting that former Mizzou and Illinois assistant Issac Chew is heading to Marquette.
Chicago guy.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-05/sports/ct-spt-0506-illinois-basketball--20120505_1_illini-assistant-public-league-blue-west-illini-staff
http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chew_isaac00.html
http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chew_isaac00.html
This would be a great, great hire.
Thanks for the link.
Three jobs in 2 months? Hope he sticks at this one, if it's true.
Strange that he lasted just a month at Illinois. Guess something about Illinois put him off or we have much more to offer him. Very strong hire for Buzz.
I would like this hire for so many reasons...hiring him right out from the University of Illinois would be really fun.
IWB is saying that this is the guy he was referencing and thinks its a done deal.
Oh and this should make up for any bad feelings about Aki going to Memphis. Hiring a Big Ten assistant just a month after he went to Illinois is a damn good move and not something that an "unstable" program would do.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 29, 2012, 02:34:32 PM
Oh and this should make up for any bad feelings about Aki going to Memphis. Hiring a Big Ten assistant just a month after he went to Illinois is a damn good move and not something that an "unstable" program would do.
This does ease my mind a bit. Gotta think that this will help with Nunn.
Asian?
Why does everyone think this is a good hire? Not saying it isn't, I just know zilch about the man
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 29, 2012, 02:38:37 PM
Asian?
Yes
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Quote from: chapman on May 29, 2012, 02:40:53 PM
Yes
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From the North Side of Asia.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 29, 2012, 02:39:35 PM
Why does everyone think this is a good hire? Not saying it isn't, I just know zilch about the man
He recruited a great deal of the talent that lead Murray State to their success this past season. Frank Haith hired him for that reason...Groce hired him because he is a Chicago guy.
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I like it. Chicago and Milwaukee are important to our future and we have to recruit well in these cities. Too much talent that could/should end up at MU.
I like the the national recruiting and we have to continue it. But picking up local guys like Taylor and Burton/Wilson is a big key, of course.
Is this a promotion for Issac to MU?
now lets see who's going to be our DoB aka 4th assistant.
Quote from: MUfan12 on May 29, 2012, 02:37:44 PM
This does ease my mind a bit. Gotta think that this will help with Nunn.
First two names that came to mind for me: Ishmael Wainright and Jameel McKay. Wainright is a guy Marquette has shown interest in, and Chew has ties to Kansas City. McKay plays at Indian Hills CC, where Chew used to coach. Both are 2013s, not sure how things will play out and if we'd have room for 2 more in that class, but Chew's reputation could help land one or both, in addition to likely helping keep our ties to Chicago.
Quote from: GOO on May 29, 2012, 02:48:23 PM
Is this a promotion for Issac to MU?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "yes" and further that this hire pretty much settles the "which is the better basketball school - MU or Illinois" debate.
It sounds like he's a good guy, but what's the deal with Illinois?
I started reading the first link and thought something was screwy - he just got hired there! Is this indicative of instability?
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 29, 2012, 02:38:37 PM
Asian?
Why do I think of Seinfeld when I read this comment?
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on May 29, 2012, 03:00:28 PM
It sounds like he's a good guy, but what's the deal with Illinois?
I started reading the first link and thought something was screwy - he just got hired there! Is this indicative of instability?
Who knows? Maybe he didn't get along with Groce...maybe he likes Buzz all that much more...maybe MU offered him more money...maybe he decided that it would be better to change a bad decision early.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 29, 2012, 02:34:32 PM
Oh and this should make up for any bad feelings about Aki going to Memphis. Hiring a Big Ten assistant just a month after he went to Illinois is a damn good move and not something that an "unstable" program would do.
maybe he always wanted to coach at the "SLU of the Northwoods"
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 29, 2012, 02:31:39 PM
I would like this hire for so many reasons...hiring him right out from the University of Illinois would be really fun.
IWB is saying that this is the guy he was referencing and thinks its a done deal.
For giggles I checked out a couple of Illini forums and they sure didn't disappoint.
They can't fathom why a guy would leave a "top 15 school" for Marquette.
Tee-hee. As delusional as ever.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2012/05/illini_assistant_chew_leaving.html
Quote from: Pakuni on May 29, 2012, 03:28:04 PM
For giggles I checked out a couple of Illini forums and they sure didn't disappoint.
They can't fathom why a guy would leave a "top 15 school" for Marquette.
Tee-hee. As delusional as ever.
Top 15 in the Big Ten? I guess that's safe to say.
Quote from: MtAiryGoldenEagle on May 29, 2012, 03:30:15 PM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2012/05/illini_assistant_chew_leaving.html
Wow...Buzz did his work. $$$ always helps though!!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 29, 2012, 03:35:34 PM
Wow...Buzz did his work. $$$ always helps though!!
No joke. This article makes it sound like he's doubling his salary by coming here. Sign me up for that increase any day of the week.
From the Bullseye Report:
"The 1st Chicago area recruit Isaac Chew will try getting on campus at Marquette? We are thinking 6'4 2012 WF Milton Doyle--maybe this week."
Wow, crazy story and awesome that he came to MU! Love reading this in the article:
"Second, Marquette has an absurd basketball budget and isn't afraid to spend. Chew will not be getting just a raise with the move, he will be getting a substantial, a near impossible-to-say-no-to raise with the move to Milwaukee."
As long as MU keeps spending big time I'm a happy camper.
Also, LOVE the fact that he has JUCO ties.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 29, 2012, 03:39:28 PM
From the Bullseye Report:
"The 1st Chicago area recruit Isaac Chew will try getting on campus at Marquette? We are thinking 6'4 2012 WF Milton Doyle--maybe this week."
MU needs size. Only have 2 healthy forwards and both centers are re-habbing......
Quote from: Jamailman on May 29, 2012, 03:45:54 PM
Wow, crazy story and awesome that he came to MU! Love reading this in the article:
"Second, Marquette has an absurd basketball budget and isn't afraid to spend. Chew will not be getting just a raise with the move, he will be getting a substantial, a near impossible-to-say-no-to raise with the move to Milwaukee."
As long as MU keeps spending big time I'm a happy camper.
Amen to that. An open checkbook can smooth over a lot of hard feelings.
Thought we were going to Buzz-cut Buzz and then Buzz-cut the basketball budget. I remember people saying the new admin saw no reason to pay our head coach anywhere near a million a year. Half that maybe. Now we're going to pay our assistants almost that much? Well crap, SLU here we come.
How long until Chew leaves for Kentucky (or Memphis)? A month?
Who knows, maybe we hired our next head coach? In business world most companies overpay based on need and looking into future needs.
Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 03:55:13 PM
Who knows, maybe we hired our next head coach? In business world most companies overpay based on need and looking into future needs.
Our next head coach is still in school. Buzz is a lifer here.
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 29, 2012, 03:46:48 PM
MU needs size. Only have 2 healthy forwards and both centers are re-habbing......
1. Not a lot of quality size out there, Finney-Smith excepted.
2. Buzz has always struck me as a best player available kind of guy more than a "I need to get this position" kind of guy.
3. Lockett is gone after one season, and another wing may or may not have academic issues that could affect his future at MU.
No way - posters with sources say Pilarz are Williams are taking MU back to "SLU" levels and 95% of us will be happy with it...
This massive hire by Buzz (supported by MU / Pilarz / Williams) must really mess up the conspiracy wave reception of the tin foil hat club....
Quote from: Jamailman on May 29, 2012, 03:45:54 PM
Wow, crazy story and awesome that he came to MU! Love reading this in the article:
"Second, Marquette has an absurd basketball budget and isn't afraid to spend. Chew will not be getting just a raise with the move, he will be getting a substantial, a near impossible-to-say-no-to raise with the move to Milwaukee."
As long as MU keeps spending big time I'm a happy camper.
Also, LOVE the fact that he has JUCO ties.
If this is accurate, Issac, come on down
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 29, 2012, 04:19:21 PM
No way - posters with sources say Pilarz are Williams are taking MU back to "SLU" levels and 95% of us will be happy with it...
This massive hire by Buzz (supported by MU / Pilarz / Williams) must really mess up the conspiracy wave reception of the tin foil hat club....
You sir are a loser.
Madtown
This is a massive hire because Chew was top on your list of guys or because we paid him a lot of money? I cannot say with certainty that this is a massive hire because I do not know who else they talked to. I hope this adding firepower to the program but I doubt if any of us are in position to call a hire of assistant as massive at this point.
I'll call it massive, cause he's a stud recruiter with Chicago ties. Just what we were looking for.
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Stone Cold
Glad to hear you are in good hire camp. To me one big positive is that on the surface this looks like Strong's fingerprints on the hire. Over the years he continually paid big money to hire away fund managers. He always identified upper end talent and lured them with big money. Hopefully the hire is addition to make us stronger and not anything else.
This is a big deal for several reasons:
1) Hopefully this puts an end to all this "H" talk. Isaac and Buzz have been friends for several years and Buzz would not bring him into a situation that was about to blow up.
2) Buzz wants him because he recruits the same type of players that Buzz likes/wants. Buzz looks at the other MU as a program to emulate.
3) IC was the new lead at IU for JP...there is intrest in MU from JP and so far this is under the radar and this will only help in this effort.
cause I point out that a really big (and expensive) hire by MU contradicts that previously written statements that MU leadership was trying to take MU bball program spending down to the SLU level (that was written many items over previously)...
sorry I take offense to people that at every opportunity try to support a Williams / Pilarz conspiracy to destroy MU basketball as we know it and now there are some great examples of MU bball staying high profile (big assistant hire, aircraft carrier game and no grade casualties yet)...
Quote from: PTM on May 29, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
You sir are a loser.
Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 05:43:21 PM
Stone Cold
Glad to hear you are in good hire camp. To me one big positive is that on the surface this looks like Strong's fingerprints on the hire. Over the years he continually paid big money to hire away fund managers. He always identified upper end talent and lured them with big money. Hopefully the hire is addition to make us stronger and not anything else.
You'd have to imagine pretty hard to come up with a negative in this scenario.
Big Daddy
Are you saying we hired an assistant to land Jabari or hired an assistant that is friendly with Jabari? Right now I see two big time recruits locally that are stretches to land and find Jabari reference to be a bit of a reach.
Do you have any insight on everybody being back next year?
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on May 29, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
3) IC was the new lead at IU for JP...there is intrest in MU from JP and so far this is under the radar and this will only help in this effort.
I'm guessing you're writing of the JP who recently was on the cover of SI?
In which case, this hire was A-OK.
Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 05:52:27 PM
Big Daddy
Are you saying we hired an assistant to land Jabari or hired an assistant that is friendly with Jabari? Right now I see two big time recruits locally that are stretches to land and find Jabari reference to be a bit of a reach.
Do you have any insight on everybody being back next year?
You mean Looney and Stone, right? If so, why are they stretches?
If this guy can land Parker, who will easily be a one and done, so be it. Even though there would be some backlash.
nyg
I would take one and dones every year. I hope Big Daddy is right on Jabari interest, no problem on my part at all. As for Looney, 4ever stated a couple weeks back that Kevon would be a long shot and respected his post as having true insight. As for Stone it might too early to tell.
For the record, I would hire an assistant in 2seconds that could land Jabari. Just think it might be more wishful thinking than reality.
Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2012, 06:09:27 PM
nyg
I would take one and dones every year. I hope Big Daddy is right on Jabari interest, no problem on my part at all. As for Looney, 4ever stated a couple weeks back that Kevon would be a long shot and respected his post as having true insight. As for Stone it might too early to tell.
For the record, I would hire an assistant in 2seconds that could land Jabari. Just think it might be more wishful thinking than reality.
OK, but I believe MU gets one of those two. If Parker does in fact have sudden interest and starts mentioning MU in a conversation as a possible landing, then we can conclude it was based upon this assistant coach hire. Then the anti-MU critics will come out in full force. So be it for them. Lets see how this new coach plays out and since he has an excellent relationship with Buzz, thats a great start.
A native of the city, newly named Illinois assistant Isaac Chew gets Chicago.
With that comes his understanding that his Chicago roots may get his foot in the door many places in the city, but he still has to put in the time and effort if the Illini are going to be consistent players for the area's premier talent.
"It's about spending time and developing relationships in the city, the south suburbs, the western suburbs, the entire state," Chew said on Thursday. "That's what the goal is. We want to do whatever possible to maximize our ability to get the best players.
"The one thing I will say, and people often say it outside of Chicago, people who are from Chicago wear it like a badge of honor. We want our own to do well. It's how the city is built. I think generally people want the state school to do well because it is the state school. This is about the state, not the city."
Chew has relationships with some of the area's most influential coaches, having recruited the area while an assistant at a number of schools, including most recently at Missouri. Chew said he knows Mac Irvin Fire club Mike Irvin and the Irvin family, Illinois Wolves club coach Mike Mullins, Whitney Young coach Tyrone Slaughter, Proviso East coach Donnie Boyce and a number of other coaches. He said he looked forward to developing a stronger relationship with Simeon coach Robert Smith.
Chew reached out and spoke with Chicago Public League Coaches Association president Vince Carter on Thursday.
"I think it is a good hire," Carter said. "You got to feel comfortable with who you hire. I know Isaac more than the other guys. I think the idea that somehow the Public League coaches have to say it's okay is just ridiculous. The coaches just want to know who you are. Once they learn who you are, you're fine. I think that's all they want."
Boyce was bullish on the hire.
"I think it's a great hire for U of I," Boyce said. "He has ties to the Chicago area and helped build Murray State's great season with the recruits he brought into the program. Also, he has been in our gym and to our games numerous times this season recruiting Sterling Brown. I think he will make his presence well known in the Chicagoland area."
Chew said he was drawn to the Illinois position partly because it would allow him to return to Chicago more often. Chew attended Proviso East High School for three years and transferred to Wells, a Chicago public school, for his final year.
"This is a wonderful opportunity to be able to come home," Chew said. "Throughout my professional life, it's the first time I've been able to come home. I think coach [John] Groce wants to do a great job in that area. I think with his energy, style of play, player will be attracted to Illinois.
"This is not about me. This is how your work together, and that's more important than anything. The staff I'll be a part of at Illinois with coach Groce, coach [Dustin] Ford, coach [Jamall] Walker, if we have the same vision, same infectious energy, we'll be able to do what we're trying to achieve."
http://www.youtube.com/v/F9NJitbTyNM
Crean can keep his AAU connections, I'll take a wad of chew.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 29, 2012, 07:46:15 PM
Crean can keep his AAU connections, I'll take a wad of chew.
coo-coo cachew
Confirmed.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/7985457/assistant-coach-isaac-chew-quits-illinois-fighting-illinois-join-marquette-golden-eagles-staff
#15 Norfolk St. 86
#2 Isaac's team 84
Hiro sandwich.
He loves Chicago as a Chi-town guy.
Well, his drive just got shorter (by about an hour) from MU to Chi than UIUC to Chi.
And his pocket got fatter.
And he's at a basketball only school.
Who WOULDN'T say no?
He's probably going "Benford" in less than 5 years. Seems ambitious. Wonder if DePaul is going to take a stab at him if their coaching carousel and hometown pull is suffering.
From Illinois Royalty:
The pull-factors to Marquette, though, were too much at the end of the day for Chew to continue to ignore. There were simply too many pros and advantages with the move to Marquette.
First, Chew has a previous relationship with Williams, which set the tone, initially, for casual conversations between the two. The two are close. Chew talks to Williams fairly regularly, regardless of there being a coaching position open or not, so the dialogue has always been free and easy. So why wouldn't the question be asked: "So, Isaac, how about coming to Marquette and working for me?" There is a definite comfort level between Chew and Williams.
Second, Marquette has an absurd basketball budget and isn't afraid to spend. Chew will not be getting just a raise with the move, he will be getting a substantial, a near impossible-to-say-no-to raise with the move to Milwaukee.
Isaac Chew to join Marquette coaching staff
"I really appreciate the opportunity coach Groce gave me," Chew said by phone. "This wasn't my plan. I didn't seek this out. I think coach Groce is going to do great things at Illinois. This is just a situation I can't pass up for me and my family. It was a family decision.
"There were some factors involved that were important to me as well as my wife. As coaches, we often make decisions. We always tell our wives to make sacrifices. This is an opportunity for both of us. She really felt great about the decision."
Illinois radio personality on Chew's departure: http://www.illinihq.com/audio/2012-05-29/sports-talk-05-29-12.html
Quote from: Pakuni on May 29, 2012, 03:28:04 PM
For giggles I checked out a couple of Illini forums and they sure didn't disappoint.
They can't fathom why a guy would leave a "top 15 school" for Marquette.
Tee-hee. As delusional as ever.
Yup. Those guys have the market cornered on delusional.
Wonder what the players are thinking about these changes, chew on that!
And online, at least, the JS still has no story about this hire. Pretty Sad.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on May 30, 2012, 07:13:53 AM
And online, at least, the JS still has no story about this hire. Pretty Sad.
But not surprising, frankly. At least we can get all our #mubb news right here!
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on May 30, 2012, 07:13:53 AM
And online, at least, the JS still has no story about this hire. Pretty Sad.
The Pony Express has yet to stop at Enlund's house with the press release.
All jokes aside, this is a very astute hire by Buzz and a tremendous dam-stopper to losing Benford and Aki.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 30, 2012, 09:09:33 AM
All jokes aside, this is a very astute hire by Buzz and a tremendous dam-stopper to losing Benford and Aki.
If Chew pays immediate dividends on the Chicago recruiting front, this could be the Hoover Dam of hires.
No more dam questions.
Man, Buzz always seems to have a plan and then a plan B and C. And the plan C is usually pretty dam good.
Be interesting if MU and the Illini meet up in Maui, wondering if there would be any bad blood between Groce and Buzz.
Quote from: PTM on May 29, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
You sir are a loser.
Quite the opposite. He is a winner in this case. He has given another concrete example that the SLUesque drum banging was complete manure.
For that, he is a winner and I hope more posters continue to shine the light on the conspiracy tin foilers and their claims that MU is about to become Loyola, NYU, or SLU right around the corner.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 30, 2012, 10:10:56 AMFor that, he is a winner and I hope more posters continue to shine the light on the conspiracy tin foilers and their claims that MU is about to become Loyola, NYU, or SLU right around the corner.
Kill all the tin foil people!!!
Honestly, that's what this site sounds like right now. The overreaction to a few people trying to share information is mind-numbingly ridiculous.
No mention of this yet?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_LtUQlHKs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_LtUQlHKs)
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Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 30, 2012, 08:40:41 AM
The Pony Express has yet to stop at Enlund's house with the press release.
Yeah, Enlund is wait for the AP posting of MU's official release. Tom's a real wire service kind of guy.... :P
I love how some posters say losing assistant is no big deal but getting new one is massive. On paper looks like a big improvement but I never heard Chew's name mentioned once in two months on here.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 30, 2012, 10:10:56 AM
Quite the opposite. He is a winner in this case. He has given another concrete example that the SLUesque drum banging was complete manure.
For that, he is a winner and I hope more posters continue to shine the light on the conspiracy tin foilers and their claims that MU is about to become Loyola, NYU, or SLU right around the corner.
anyone who claimed that MU is about to become Loyola, NYU or SLU qualified that claim by using the word IF. IF new standards were imposed retroactively, IF players had not met the new standards, IF they were not given a fair chance to qualify, IF they were then forced to transfer, IF the admin was trying to push Buzz out. Pretty simple, IF you think about it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2012, 10:14:19 AM
Kill all the tin foil people!!!
Honestly, that's what this site sounds like right now. The overreaction to a few people trying to share information is mind-numbingly ridiculous.
The irony is that the "tin-foil" response was borne out of a mind-numbingly ridiculous overreaction to the information (read: rumors) that were shared.
I mean, how else does a reasonable person respond to some of the truly nutty conspiracy theories that were floated - and in some instances embraced - around here over the past six weeks?
Quote from: Goose on May 30, 2012, 10:37:18 AM
I love how some posters say losing assistant is no big deal but getting new one is massive. On paper looks like a big improvement but I never heard Chew's name mentioned once in two months on here.
All about expectations. When a few names were being tossed as suggestions I doubt anyone considered that a guy who just took a new position at a Big Ten school was going to be an option for us. On the flip side, we expected Benford could leave, though Aki's timing was a little unexpected.
Pakuni
Muguru states a post of upcomng Hiroshima and that is "rumor". Big Daddy says IC has relationship with JP and that is embraced. I like Big Daddy's post better but how is his post not rumor? Personally I give the poster the benefit of the doubt that they are sharing info they feel to be credible. I would much rather read Big Daddy's posts that everything is perfect than Muguru or my posts for that matter. However, I cannot say with certainity that Big Daddy is not starting rumors, but I give him benefit of the doubt and hope he is right.
I'm wondering how unexpected it was. Strotty mentioned yesterday something along the lines of personal conflict. It was mentioned that Buzz first broached the subject a few weeks ago. I am wondering if Buzz and Aki just didn't see eye-to-eye....especially given his interest in Louisville last year.
The problem I have with Big Daddy's rumor with regards to Jabari Parker is that the logic doesn't hold true. Benford was in close with Simeon. Simeon's coach is on the record saying something about a "pipeline to Marquette," but at the same time pretty much inferred that Parker wasn't coming to MU. We pretty much had all the connections in place before, and Parker wasn't coming....do we really think that swapping out Benford with Chew would make that much of a difference with the #1 high school player in the country???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 30, 2012, 10:53:21 AM
The problem I have with Big Daddy's rumor with regards to Jabari Parker is that the logic doesn't hold true. Benford was in close with Simeon. Simeon's coach is on the record saying something about a "pipeline to Marquette," but at the same time pretty much inferred that Parker wasn't coming to MU. We pretty much had all the connections in place before, and Parker wasn't coming....do we really think that swapping out Benford with Chew would make that much of a difference with the #1 high school player in the country???
Big Daddy's "rumor" simply stated that Chew was Illinois' lead recruiter for Parker and that could help MU. We know the first half to be true, based on all the reporting about Chew's hire by Groce indicating he was brought on to recruit Chicago, particularly the CPL.
BigDaddy's post actually was good news and I took it as good news. I do believe his post was deeper than just he was lead JP recruiter at IU. Stated JP has interest in MU and we are flying under the radar.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 30, 2012, 10:42:46 AM
The irony is that the "tin-foil" response was borne out of a mind-numbingly ridiculous overreaction to the information (read: rumors) that were shared.
I mean, how else does a reasonable person respond to some of the truly nutty conspiracy theories that were floated - and in some instances embraced - around here over the past six weeks?
There are no reasonable people. They clearly aren't allowed anymore. Either you are bunkered into MU perfection and the everything is coming up daisies mentality that madtownwarrior, hoopaloop, and Canadian Dimes espouse constantly, or you are in the tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory lunatic fringe that Goose and MUMac represent. Or are purported to represent. Whatever.
So if someone heard about the sexual assault allegations from Humphrey a couple years ago and tried to share, does that make them a nutty conspiracy theorist? Obviously there was something to it. Maybe not as much as we thought, maybe more than some thought, but something, regardless. What if someone heard about the fight at Club 720 and tried to share? Similar situation, but now they must be a nutty conspiracy theorist too. Seems there wasn't as much to that story, but that didn't mean there weren't legitimate rumors out there. But if someone heard there was more to it and shared that, just because they got bad information, does that make them a nutty conspiracy theorist? How could they know beforehand whether the information was legit or not?
The same goes with this stuff. Is there truth to Buzz having issues with LW and SP? I honestly don't know. I haven't sat down and talked to any of them, nor have I received any deeply personal emails like Ners did confirming exactly how everything is going behind the scenes. If there isn't, great. But if there is and someone heard about it, why does it make them a nutty conspiracy theorist for wanting to share?
Or the "moving Marquette back to SLU status" thing. I'm sure it was an overexaggeration, but we have a basketball budget that is 2nd only to Duke despite not having near the success or overall size of school to justify such a budget. Maybe the powers that be do want to scale it back. Maybe hiring Chew and Autry to fill those positions is an example of just that. Let's say these were the old assistant pay levels:
TB 1,000,000
Aki 700,000
Monarch 300,000
And these are the new ones:
Chew 900,000
Monarch 350,000
Autry 250,000
Aki leaves because he wants Benford money to stay, but Buzz's budget has been cut by 25% and knows he can't give it to him. Monarch stays for a raise in status and money, Autry comes in cheaper than any of the old guys, and he pays Chew top-assistant money, but not as much as Benford was getting. It's a much, much cheaper staff on the whole. If that were the case (no idea if it is, sheer conjecture) wouldn't that indicate a possible shift towards a cheaper program, and possibly confirm that some of the rumors might have some legs?
No one is saying Marquette is going to drop basketball, they're just saying they are hearing some things they don't like. For some, saying that is akin to dooming the program, so they paint these people as doomsayers and conspiracy theorists. And the site becomes unreasonable. But it's entirely possible that some of the stuff they are saying is already happening behind the scenes and we just don't realize it. And even if it isn't, is it their fault that they were given bad information and want to brace the MU community and their online friends for what might be coming?
BrewCity
Great post. Only thing I want to add is I want us to have the #1 ball budget and hope Hoops, Dimes and Madtown are 100% correct.
Great post Brew - other than you used "sheer conjecture" (your words) that might "possibly confirm that some of the rumors might have some legs?"
quite a stretch there... making up scenarios that we don't have the facts on that might support rumors that people heard from "sources."
I get it - it's a message board but making up scenarios that might support a possible rumor seems like a huge waste of energy...
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 30, 2012, 11:31:30 AM
Great post Brew - other than you used "sheer conjecture" (your words) that might "possibly confirm that some of the rumors might have some legs?"
quite a stretch there... making up scenarios that we don't have the facts on that might support rumors that people heard from "sources."
I get it - it's a message board but making up scenarios that might support a possible rumor seems like a huge waste of energy...
No, a huge waste of energy would be branding half the site as wearing "tin foil hats" because they said something you don't like.
If we're going to ban "if then" statements, we might as well just shut down the entire internet. What's the point of having a DISCUSSION FORUM if you never want to DISCUSS? Every time someone surmises that something bad might happen, they end up with a tin foil hat nailed to their head just because someone else doesn't like it. It's ridiculous.
This whole "Hiroshima" thing began, as I recall, with MUMac saying something along the lines of "if this happens, the response here will be like Hiroshima". I'm paraphrasing, can't be arsed to go back and look up the exact wording, but would anyone here argue with that? IF, IF, IF Marquette were changing their academic requirements and not allowing for players to have time to catch up, wouldn't that lead to a pretty massive outcry? Who knows what the truth is? It sounds like they may be upping academic standards. Maybe that is the case and it got distorted through the telephone game before it got to Mac's ears and MUScoop's forum. So now MUMac is some insane conspiracy theorist because he thinks people would be upset with that? No! That's stupid! Because he's absolutely right. This place would go nuts if that happened. That doesn't mean it will happen, that doesn't mean he heard it exactly right or the gospel was given to his ears, but there would be madness here IF that were the case.
And who knows what happened since then? Maybe the guys in academic trouble busted their asses and got their grades in order. Maybe the changes are coming, but will be rolled in over the next 2-3 years. Maybe it's all a fabrication. And maybe we're going to hear about 2 more transfers before the end of summer. Who knows? But branding MUMac as the bad guy for it is ridiculous. Branding Goose as the bad guy is ridiculous.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2012, 11:41:00 AM
No, a huge waste of energy would be branding half the site as wearing "tin foil hats" because they said something you don't like.
If we're going to ban "if then" statements, we might as well just shut down the entire internet. What's the point of having a DISCUSSION FORUM if you never want to DISCUSS? Every time someone surmises that something bad might happen, they end up with a tin foil hat nailed to their head just because someone else doesn't like it. It's ridiculous.
This whole "Hiroshima" thing began, as I recall, with MUMac saying something along the lines of "if this happens, the response here will be like Hiroshima". I'm paraphrasing, can't be arsed to go back and look up the exact wording, but would anyone here argue with that? IF, IF, IF Marquette were changing their academic requirements and not allowing for players to have time to catch up, wouldn't that lead to a pretty massive outcry? Who knows what the truth is? It sounds like they may be upping academic standards. Maybe that is the case and it got distorted through the telephone game before it got to Mac's ears and MUScoop's forum. So now MUMac is some insane conspiracy theorist because he thinks people would be upset with that? No! That's stupid! Because he's absolutely right. This place would go nuts if that happened. That doesn't mean it will happen, that doesn't mean he heard it exactly right or the gospel was given to his ears, but there would be madness here IF that were the case.
And who knows what happened since then? Maybe the guys in academic trouble busted their asses and got their grades in order. Maybe the changes are coming, but will be rolled in over the next 2-3 years. Maybe it's all a fabrication. And maybe we're going to hear about 2 more transfers before the end of summer. Who knows? But branding MUMac as the bad guy for it is ridiculous. Branding Goose as the bad guy is ridiculous.
madtown et al, if it's such a huge waste of energy I suggest you use your energy in some other way besides labeling concerned posters as "tin foil hat" wearers. Let's face it, your main motivation seems to be self aggrandizement at the expense of others.
Speaking of hats... Who decided snap backs needed to come back? Sheesh.
J. Parker had a list of about 10 schools, which does not include MU. I hope this does not turn into months of delusional posters here saying he is going to come to MU. J.P. Tokoto had long ruled out MU with people here still hoping we would get him.
self-aggrandizement - n, the act of increasing one's own power, importance, etc., esp in an aggressive or ruthless manner
I have to admit my MU education failed me on that one. Hey - so one can can increase their power & importance and in aggressive or ruthless manner at the expense of others on this very MU BBoard by calling others "tin foil hat" wearers (by the way, I was not the one who started this) - never knew that.
Either you are more than slightly exaggerating the dialogue on a message board or take this way too seriously...
My only motivation is to call bullshit on the use of rumors and unidentified sources to say Pilarz and Williams are out to destroy the program...
I have "sources" (as most do who follow the program closely) who have said some pretty interesting things about MU basketball over the years and recently - none of which I posted here cause I have no way to know how correct they are and in no way want to feed the nature of this board to try to find every in every situation that the admin is out to destroy the program.
Guess I should give up the reading of "anonymous users" posting "facts" based on "rumors" from "unidentifiable sources" and save myself the aggravation....
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 30, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
madtown et al, if it's such a huge waste of energy I suggest you use your energy in some other way besides labeling concerned posters as "tin foil hat" wearers. Let's face it, your main motivation seems to be self aggrandizement at the expense of others.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2012, 11:09:18 AM
No one is saying Marquette is going to drop basketball, they're just saying they are hearing some things they don't like. For some, saying that is akin to dooming the program, so they paint these people as doomsayers and conspiracy theorists. And the site becomes unreasonable. But it's entirely possible that some of the stuff they are saying is already happening behind the scenes and we just don't realize it. And even if it isn't, is it their fault that they were given bad information and want to brace the MU community and their online friends for what might be coming?
Brew .... I'm afraid you've entirely missed my point, probably because I didn't state it well enough. I'm not being critical of those sharing information, as you like to call it (I call it rumors because information denotes knowledge and fact, which the vast majority of this "information" and the people offering it lack).
I'm critical of those offering the over-the-top reaction that information elicits.
A rumor that a player or two may be having academic issues - hardly a first in the history of MU - becomes a conspiracy by Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz to create unreasonably high standards and then impose them retroactively.
A rumor that some on the BOT don't like all the JUCOs becomes an edict handed down from the administration telling Buzz he no longer can recruit the kinds of players he wants.
A rumor that Buzz has legit interest in the SMU job becomes evidence that the administration and BOT wants a basketball program on par with St. Louis.
And so on.
It's not necessarily the people offering these rumors who I'm criticizing - though perhaps they would be more mindful of the rumors they might post - it's the people who take those rumors and extrapolate them into proof of a worst possible case scenario. And think that adding the word "IF" absolves them of any responsibility for their statements.
I heard (insert name here) diddles children in public parks. IF he did that, it would be bad.
Would you have problem with that statement? After all, I added an "if."
The rumor was of increasing high standards and a switch at mid year, not giving time for kids to adjust. Posters were rightfully upset by that idea.
And the fact IWB states Buzz is listening to SMU is going to cause angst. Sure it gets old but the initial reaction is going to be WTF in those scenarios.
Pakuni
I stated the SLU comparison during the Buzz/SMU dance and used it as comparison type program of what diminished influence on basketball program would mean. I stated that school very well might be leaning to lower profile program, with smaller budget and less power given to head coach. IMO those changes would make us a SLU-like program. We have had off court issues, slightly lower grad rate, a weakened conference and second biggest budget. An outside consultant would advise either spend more and get better or spend less and find spot in second tier of NCAA.
The SLU comparison is pretty dumb. No sane president and AD are going to strive to suck. Maybe they'd strive to be ND or Stanford without the academic institution rankings to back it up but nobody is trying to be St. Louis. EVER.
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 30, 2012, 01:23:12 PM
The SLU comparison is pretty dumb. No sane president and AD are going to strive to suck. Maybe they'd strive to be ND or Stanford without the academic institution rankings to back it up but nobody is trying to be St. Louis. EVER.
All of this makes me appreciate my Fr. Wild bobble head more.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 30, 2012, 01:07:00 PM
Brew .... I'm afraid you've entirely missed my point, probably because I didn't state it well enough. I'm not being critical of those sharing information, as you like to call it (I call it rumors because information denotes knowledge and fact, which the vast majority of this "information" and the people offering it lack).
I'm critical of those offering the over-the-top reaction that information elicits.
A rumor that a player or two may be having academic issues - hardly a first in the history of MU - becomes a conspiracy by Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz to create unreasonably high standards and then impose them retroactively.
A rumor that some on the BOT don't like all the JUCOs becomes an edict handed down from the administration telling Buzz he no longer can recruit the kinds of players he wants.
A rumor that Buzz has legit interest in the SMU job becomes evidence that the administration and BOT wants a basketball program on par with St. Louis.
And so on.
It's not necessarily the people offering these rumors who I'm criticizing - though perhaps they would be more mindful of the rumors they might post - it's the people who take those rumors and extrapolate them into proof of a worst possible case scenario. And think that adding the word "IF" absolves them of any responsibility for their statements.
I heard (insert name here) diddles children in public parks. IF he did that, it would be bad.
Would you have problem with that statement? After all, I added an "if."
Come on, Pak... you're ruining what remaining fun there is to have around here. That is to say,
if some of us are simply having fun.
StoneCold
Agreed on no one strive to be SLU, but do you think SLU strives to be SLU or did it just happen? Lesser conference, smaller budget and different coach or players might make what you really are striving for unattainable. Your point on ND or Stanford is well stated but we are not those two schools academically. My SLU reference is made simply by taking a similar institution on national scene. We are far closer to SLU as university than we are ND or Stanford and hence the comparison. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not thinking clearly.
Quote from: bilsu on May 30, 2012, 01:38:09 PM
All of this makes me appreciate my Fr. Wild bobble head more.
Wild was one of a kind. Definitely got the steamboat rolling as far as athletics, admissions and campus infrastructure.
Quote from: Goose on May 30, 2012, 01:41:40 PM
StoneCold
Agreed on no one strive to be SLU, but do you think SLU strives to be SLU or did it just happen? Lesser conference, smaller budget and different coach or players might make what you really are striving for unattainable. Your point on ND or Stanford is well stated but we are not those two schools academically. My SLU reference is made simply by taking a similar institution on national scene. We are far closer to SLU as university than we are ND or Stanford and hence the comparison. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not thinking clearly.
I've seen no signs of a scale back on budget or trying to get in a lesser conference.
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 30, 2012, 01:15:21 PM
The rumor was of increasing high standards and a switch at mid year, not giving time for kids to adjust. Posters were rightfully upset by that idea.
And the fact IWB states Buzz is listening to SMU is going to cause angst. Sure it gets old but the initial reaction is going to be WTF in those scenarios.
There's "rightfully upset" and "WTF" on one end of the spectrum, and then there's the "send Larry Williams an email and tell him if our coach leaves because LW's a twatface [and, yes, that term was actually used] I'm not going to support the program anymore" stuff that started right after IWB's tweet on the other end.
Quote from: bilsu on May 30, 2012, 12:10:25 PM
J. Parker had a list of about 10 schools, which does not include MU. I hope this does not turn into months of delusional posters here saying he is going to come to MU. J.P. Tokoto had long ruled out MU with people here still hoping we would get him.
Wait ... you mean we're not getting Tokoto?
Quote from: Pakuni on May 30, 2012, 01:07:00 PM
It's not necessarily the people offering these rumors who I'm criticizing - though perhaps they would be more mindful of the rumors they might post - it's the people who take those rumors and extrapolate them into proof of a worst possible case scenario. And think that adding the word "IF" absolves them of any responsibility for their statements.
I heard (insert name here) diddles children in public parks. IF he did that, it would be bad.
Would you have problem with that statement? After all, I added an "if."
I've disagreed with some of your reactions to this topic but think your absolutely dead on in your criticisms of the "if" people. Our friend from the west was infamous for using that tactic.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 30, 2012, 01:07:00 PM
Brew .... I'm afraid you've entirely missed my point...
You are completely right, I did miss your point. My apologies. I agree completely that things are getting extrapolated waaaaaaaay too far, which is leading to this board going insane.
And while if statements can be tricky, I also think that without them, you lose a lot of value. "If Marquette wins their next 3", "If we can land Looney and Stone", "If Marquette cuts their basketball budget", all of them provide talking points, and it isn't until they are blown out of proportion that we lose the plot. Obviously the "If we no longer take JUCOs" type of argument can go sour in a hurry, but I'd rather be able to have the discussion if academics may be changing than just head-in-the-sand it all.
Either way, this whole thing strikes me as just too much time and not enough going on. We haven't had recruits on campus, we haven't had too many new guys we're rumored with, we haven't had any games, the Pro-Am hasn't started yet...everyone wants something to talk about, but as there really isn't much, all this stuff gets created and blown out of proportion. November 9 can't come soon enough.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2012, 11:41:00 AM
No, a huge waste of energy would be branding half the site as wearing "tin foil hats" because they said something you don't like.
If we're going to ban "if then" statements, we might as well just shut down the entire internet. What's the point of having a DISCUSSION FORUM if you never want to DISCUSS? Every time someone surmises that something bad might happen, they end up with a tin foil hat nailed to their head just because someone else doesn't like it. It's ridiculous.
This whole "Hiroshima" thing began, as I recall, with MUMac saying something along the lines of "if this happens, the response here will be like Hiroshima". I'm paraphrasing, can't be arsed to go back and look up the exact wording, but would anyone here argue with that? IF, IF, IF Marquette were changing their academic requirements and not allowing for players to have time to catch up, wouldn't that lead to a pretty massive outcry? Who knows what the truth is? It sounds like they may be upping academic standards. Maybe that is the case and it got distorted through the telephone game before it got to Mac's ears and MUScoop's forum. So now MUMac is some insane conspiracy theorist because he thinks people would be upset with that? No! That's stupid! Because he's absolutely right. This place would go nuts if that happened. That doesn't mean it will happen, that doesn't mean he heard it exactly right or the gospel was given to his ears, but there would be madness here IF that were the case.
And who knows what happened since then? Maybe the guys in academic trouble busted their asses and got their grades in order. Maybe the changes are coming, but will be rolled in over the next 2-3 years. Maybe it's all a fabrication. And maybe we're going to hear about 2 more transfers before the end of summer. Who knows? But branding MUMac as the bad guy for it is ridiculous. Branding Goose as the bad guy is ridiculous.
Could you please give me the posts where I mentioned Hiroshima (other than this one time)? I will help you, I never have. In fact, I have not played the game on this board at all. Thanks for calling me out, though.
Does hiring Chew count as Hiroshima, because this move is the bomb.
Quote from: MUMac on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Could you please give me the posts where I mentioned Hiroshima (other than this one time)? I will help you, I never have. In fact, I have not played the game on this board at all. Thanks for calling me out, though.
Honestly, I doubt you have. I'd bet my bottom dollar that people like madtown and CD have used "Hiroshima" far more than the people they claim are responsible for it. I only used you as an example because I know you're one of the people that bore the brunt of this nonsensical crap.
He meant MuGuru!!!!
Quote from: DienerTime34 on May 30, 2012, 02:45:53 PM
Does hiring Chew count as Hiroshima, because this move is the bomb.
You can't see me right now, but I'm giving you a standing ovation.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on May 30, 2012, 02:45:53 PM
Does hiring Chew count as Hiroshima, because this move is the bomb.
Best 30th post, ever.
Illini board is melting down about the Chew move to MU (more evidence it is a good hire).
It starts here at the bottom on page 68
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=17846&page=68
Some choice posts ...
In a nutshell. He moved to Illinois for a big raise, and then jumped to the next opportunity when a bigger raise was offered. We can hardly complain given that we just plucked him from Missouri for the same reason.
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I feel bad for Groce man. He really has a mess to deal with
Wasnt Chew our Chicago guy and actually wasnt he the one that Groce took with him on his tour of Chicago?
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Yeah it sucks but if he and Buzz have been casually discussing him coaching there for a while then I'd rather he just leave now instead of constantly peeking over to see if Buzz is looking at him so he can leave our side and go be with him.
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Joe Henricksen on WDWS talking Isaac Chew to Marquette: "It was a huge, significant raise."
Joe Henricksen on WDWS talking Isaac Chew to Marquette: "It know for a fact that he felt sick about it."
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As a fan, I never got to know Coach Chew at Illinois.
His abrupt departure has got to be one of the shortest stints as an assistant basketball coach in Illinois History.
I was skeptical when Chew jumped from across the river leaving behind a team that won 30 games last year to join the Illini. I thought Chew saw something special in this Illinois team and the new Head Coach. Perhaps he still does, just not enough to stay.
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How is it Marquette can pay the Assistant Coaches more than Illinois could pay?
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My guess is because Marquette does not have a football program...B-Ball is THE money maker.
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Isaac Chew to join Marquette coaching staff
"I really appreciate the opportunity coach Groce gave me," Chew said by phone. "This wasn't my plan. I didn't seek this out. I think coach Groce is going to do great things at Illinois. This is just a situation I can't pass up for me and my family. It was a family decision.
"There were some factors involved that were important to me as well as my wife. As coaches, we often make decisions. We always tell our wives to make sacrifices. This is an opportunity for both of us. She really felt great about the decision."
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Another blow to the already bruised psyche of Illini Nation. Why not just hire Deon and get this thing over with?
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The last few months have provided us with a sobering, eye-opening view of just how our program is perceived these days. We are not a destination. We're a way station. If recruiting for 2013 was a mess before this, it certainly isn't going to get any better now. I've been off the board lately because I'm so depressed about the state of our program and I don't want my negativity to spill onto the board. Let's hope something good happens soon. We're certainly due for some good news.
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Chew to Marquette - and explains why
Illinois made a counter-offer to entice Chew to stay at Illinois. But the opportunity to join Williams, who has taken Marquette to consecutive Sweet 16s and has turned down multiple job offers from other programs to stay at the Big East school, was too attractive. Chew was scheduled to leave for Milwaukee on Tuesday night.
"It was an emotional decision. It was emotional for me and for my wife and my family," Chew said by phone. "Coach Groce is going to do a great job (at Illinois). This had nothing to do with the challenge. I think the world of coach Groce and his staff. I just couldn't pass up this opportunity. That's just the bottom line."
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I can't believe Marquette is perceived as a better job than Illinois, and if it is that's a crime. I don't understand all of this talk about this being a rebuild, its not like we have had 5 losing years in a row, we are close to being good and in basketball a couple players make all the difference. We have plenty of good players, with Hill, James and Rice and the sophomore class I just don't see that we are that far away from being good.
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Did you read Henricksen's article? In the last four years, does Marquette have four NCAA tournament appearances and two sweet sixteens to UI's one win, and two no-shows? The historical argument doesn't really mean much except to a few people, and certainly not 15-17 year olds. They probably watch the '05 team when they were ten, but that was an long, long time ago in their lives. Our program has found a way to make PSU formidable, and Nebraska more than competitive. How much worse does it get than tied for ninth place? Five mediocre years may as well be five losing years when it comes to perception.
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I still do not think Marquette is as good as Illinois, they won it all in 77 I think but other than that no final fours and I don't think they have ever won the Big East, the last 30 years Illinois has been better and certainly should be better in the future.
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would not disagree at all. But, I'm an Illinois fan on an Illini forum. If I wasn't, that argument would be useless. The last four or five years is the only history most fans can recall, or probably give any value, imo. There may be exceptions like Indiana high schoolers. On the other hand is ND a football power, or Army, or Harvard? Once upon a time....nobody cares.
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We have certainly fallen, but there is no comparison between the innate strengths of the Ui program and MU. Had to be a serious money difference for Chew, who probably is at a career stage where he is thinking short-term until he gets a top job. There will be other strong coaches/recruiters for Coach Groce to bring in, but for the next few months, this doesnt help.
At this point, if i played for the illini. I'd have a serious chip on my shoulder. Much to prove in the next few seasons, and i think we have a core of 8 or 9 who have the talent and desire to finish in the top 5 or 6 teams in the B10 and make some noise in the tournament that matters.
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And money, right? Substantially more we are hearing?
Let me also add another caveat. Buzz is safe at Marquette. He will not be fired in the next 3 years. Groce could be. When the head man goes, so do his assistants.
So in the end we have a young guy who probably has little savings at this point leaving for more money and greater job security with a true mentor that he trusts? Count me as someone who hopes my kids have the same approach to their careers.
(apparently they have not heard of Hiroshima!)
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I feel bad for the Illini fans. Lord knows our fanbase has been in that hole before.
Best of luck to them rebuilding, and as always I hope they beat the crap out of UW-Madison every year! :)
To be honest, their fans seemed fine. A couple people questioning his loyalty, but frankly that place seemed pretty sane.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 29, 2012, 03:22:53 PM
maybe he always wanted to coach at the "SLU of the Northwoods"
Reportedly 90% of all college assistants would settle for that.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 30, 2012, 12:10:38 PM
self-aggrandizement - n, the act of increasing one's own power, importance, etc., esp in an aggressive or ruthless manner
I have to admit my MU education failed me on that one. Hey - so one can can increase their power & importance and in aggressive or ruthless manner at the expense of others on this very MU BBoard by calling others "tin foil hat" wearers (by the way, I was not the one who started this) - never knew that.
Either you are more than slightly exaggerating the dialogue on a message board or take this way too seriously...
My only motivation is to call bullcrap on the use of rumors and unidentified sources to say Pilarz and Williams are out to destroy the program...
I have "sources" (as most do who follow the program closely) who have said some pretty interesting things about MU basketball over the years and recently - none of which I posted here cause I have no way to know how correct they are and in no way want to feed the nature of this board to try to find every in every situation that the admin is out to destroy the program.
Guess I should give up the reading of "anonymous users" posting "facts" based on "rumors" from "unidentifiable sources" and save myself the aggravation....
Mocking posters by calling them tin foil hat wearers is fun for a while and teasing your fellow posters is well within the limits of this forum. In fact, it is probably essential in forum discourse. A few days of good natured teasing are fun. After a few days it becomes tedious and demeaning. Because, in the end, what it translates to is "boy are you dumb for being concerned about the rumors and boy am I smart for pointing it out." The insult is funny for a while, but after numerous days (weeks?) of calling out posters it becomes more than annoying.
ATWiz
Funny thing is I really hope I am being mocked big time year from now. If Buzz is coach next May30th I hope I have been mocked for weeks and more to come. That is what cracks me up because nobody wants me to wrong more than I do.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 30, 2012, 04:47:40 PM
To be honest, their fans seemed fine. A couple people questioning his loyalty, but frankly that place seemed pretty sane.[/b[
Must be nice :)
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 30, 2012, 04:54:34 PM
Mocking posters by calling them tin foil hat wearers is fun for a while and teasing your fellow posters is well within the limits of this forum. In fact, it is probably essential in forum discourse. A few days of good natured teasing are fun. After a few days it becomes tedious and demeaning. Because, in the end, what it translates to is "boy are you dumb for being concerned about the rumors and boy am I smart for pointing it out." The insult is funny for a while, but after numerous days (weeks?) of calling out posters it becomes more than annoying.
Amen. IIRC, Lab Warrior, the original "tin foil hat" guy. He's also very funny. He may have pushed the joke a little too far but he's been off it for awhile. Not surprisingly, the not very funny (madtown) and the colossally unfunny (Hoopaloop) continue to beat the dead horse.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 29, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
cause I point out that a really big (and expensive) hire by MU contradicts that previously written statements that MU leadership was trying to take MU bball program spending down to the SLU level (that was written many items over previously)...
sorry I take offense to people that at every opportunity try to support a Williams / Pilarz conspiracy to destroy MU basketball as we know it and now there are some great examples of MU bball staying high profile (big assistant hire, aircraft carrier game and no grade casualties yet)...
Unfortunately, you have now exceeded those you dislike in terms of how tiresome your posts have become. Congratulations, I'm sure that you are proud.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 30, 2012, 04:47:40 PM
To be honest, their fans seemed fine. A couple people questioning his loyalty, but frankly that place seemed pretty sane.
I agree...thought their board handled Chew's departure with a good deal of class..and were even fairly respectful/objective in their opinions on MU vs UI as hoops schools.
Broke rule #1:
If a child notices something bothers you, they'll keep at it.
StoneCold
Good call. I have taken madtown's bait to often.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on May 30, 2012, 11:49:29 AM
Speaking of hats... Who decided snap backs needed to come back? Sheesh.
Don't hate.
This means I get to blow some dust off my old ones and resell them.
EBay ID: YoureASucker
Quote from: MU82 on May 30, 2012, 02:09:16 PM
Wait ... you mean we're not getting Tokoto?
Not until he transfers after spending his first year or two at the far end of the UNC bench.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 30, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
Unfortunately, you have now exceeded those you dislike in terms of how tiresome your posts have become. Congratulations, I'm sure that you are proud.
sorry - the circle jerk of doomsday supporters / IWB wannabe's with sources hasn't stopped the lunacy of pointing out how every potential MU news supports their contention MU basketball is headed for SLU levels... good lord, even the hiring of Chew was meet with conspiracy thoughts...
Sorry, I don't agree with the premise of many posters here and don't play the stupid "I said IF" game to qualify every one of their stupid thoughts...
i won't criticize a single post - it can be a Goose conspiracy-inspired bonanza from here out... maybe even bring back the idiot who said Buzz interviewed in Dallas for SMU and Buzz would have had the job if the SMU president would have liked him (man, sure glad the SMU president didn't like Buzz)....
More cud to chew.....
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/30/marquette-fires-illinois-bound-volley-on-chicago-recruiting-trail/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/30/marquette-fires-illinois-bound-volley-on-chicago-recruiting-trail/)
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/59590/new-illinois-assistants-stay-proves-short (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/59590/new-illinois-assistants-stay-proves-short)
http://www.sj-r.com/sports/x1832954721/Illinois-assistant-coach-leaves-for-Marquette (http://www.sj-r.com/sports/x1832954721/Illinois-assistant-coach-leaves-for-Marquette)
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 30, 2012, 06:04:24 PM
More cud to chew.....
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/30/marquette-fires-illinois-bound-volley-on-chicago-recruiting-trail/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/30/marquette-fires-illinois-bound-volley-on-chicago-recruiting-trail/)
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/59590/new-illinois-assistants-stay-proves-short (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/59590/new-illinois-assistants-stay-proves-short)
http://www.sj-r.com/sports/x1832954721/Illinois-assistant-coach-leaves-for-Marquette (http://www.sj-r.com/sports/x1832954721/Illinois-assistant-coach-leaves-for-Marquette)
And a little more:
http://ilprepbullseye.com/Chew_Impact.html
I take it as a pretty good sign that one of the reasons Chew came here was Buzz turned down other jobs. I'm sure the topic had to come up and I'm sure Buzz isn't recruiting good friends to come here after 2 months at another high-major job if he plans on bolting soon or it's a toxic situation.
Can't believe no one has commented on that comment about no final fours since '77...
Quote from: warrior07 on May 30, 2012, 09:54:01 PM
Can't believe no one has commented on that comment about no final fours since '77...
After the Kansas debacle whereby the coach crapped this Depends, does it matter?
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 30, 2012, 12:10:38 PM
Either you are more than slightly exaggerating the dialogue on a message board or take this way too seriously...
My only motivation is to call bullcrap on the use of rumors and unidentified sources to say Pilarz and Williams are out to destroy the program...
THIS
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2012, 11:09:18 AM
There are no reasonable people. They clearly aren't allowed anymore. Either you are bunkered into MU perfection and the everything is coming up daisies mentality that madtownwarrior, hoopaloop, and Canadian Dimes espouse constantly, or you are in the tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory lunatic fringe that Goose and MUMac represent. Or are purported to represent. Whatever.
Everything is coming up daisies? I have not said that and do not recall anyone else saying that. Instead we are challenging the absurdity that MU is on the way to SLUville or that Williams and Pilarz are out to destroy the program. I would call our viewpoint the rationale one and not extreme at all. We are not a perfect program, it is not daisies, but we're a top 25 program that should be in that realm in most years. There is zero evidence of the rumors thrown around here that they are true or even close to true. Those are the extreme views, the ones perpetuating those rumors.
It's a bigger waste of energy crying here about endless rumors when evidence has yet to show any of them are grounded in fact.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 30, 2012, 05:23:36 PM
Amen. IIRC, Lab Warrior, the original "tin foil hat" guy. He's also very funny. He may have pushed the joke a little too far but he's been off it for awhile. Not surprisingly, the not very funny (madtown) and the colossally unfunny (Hoopaloop) continue to beat the dead horse.
When you show humor here, let us know because I'm not seeing it. 4ever is funny. BMA was funny. You, are not funny, though saying I beat a dead horse with number of dead ponies you have drilled into the ground is funny.
(http://cache2.artprintimages.com/p/LRG/17/1728/PB63D00Z/art-print/chewie.jpg)
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 30, 2012, 11:21:47 PM
When you show humor here, let us know because I'm not seeing it. 4ever is funny. BMA was funny. You, are not funny, though saying I beat a dead horse with number of dead ponies you have drilled into the ground is funny.
Okay...I have to say, I've never seen the argument for the "Hoop is Chicos" more than this post. Hoop, you registered on March 20, 2011. Since that time, bma has posted exactly once on this site, and that was to call out Ners as the reason he left the site. His last post before that was on November 15, 2010, a full 4 months before you joined, and when you consider how active this site is from November to late March, that might as well be a year. Unless you actively went back and researched bma's old posts, you would have no way of knowing if he was funny or not simply because you and he were never active members at the same time.
Your join date: http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5607
bma725's last 25 posts: http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=174;sa=showPosts
Anyone know whether Chew's wife is hot?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 30, 2012, 11:20:17 PM
I would call our viewpoint the rationale one and not extreme at all.
I'm sure on all issues you consider your viewpoint the rational(e) one. And the fact that you're almost always in a small minority has caused you no pause whatsoever.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 30, 2012, 11:20:17 PM
Everything is coming up daisies?
Hyperbole, my friend, hyperbole.
Quote from: Knight Commission on May 31, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
Anyone know whether Chew's wife is hot?
Apparently Vanderbilt football actually DOES have wife hotness standards...
http://deadspin.com/5914625/vanderbilt-football-coach-will-not-hire-assistants-until-hes-seen-what-their-wives-look-like
Quote from: Knight Commission on May 31, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
Anyone know whether Chew's wife is hot?
PM BeeJay, he's the village expert on hotness.
Quote from: warrior07 on May 30, 2012, 09:54:01 PM
Can't believe no one has commented on that comment about no final fours since '77...
Actually, he said that MU had never been to any other final fours which would also leave out 1974 when MU lost in the NCAA championship game to North Carolina State.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 31, 2012, 06:14:17 AM
Okay...I have to say, I've never seen the argument for the "Hoop is Chicos" more than this post. Hoop, you registered on March 20, 2011. Since that time, bma has posted exactly once on this site, and that was to call out Ners as the reason he left the site. His last post before that was on November 15, 2010, a full 4 months before you joined, and when you consider how active this site is from November to late March, that might as well be a year. Unless you actively went back and researched bma's old posts, you would have no way of knowing if he was funny or not simply because you and he were never active members at the same time.
Your join date: http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5607
bma725's last 25 posts: http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=174;sa=showPosts
I have said many times that I was a lurker here for a long time before joining. Here's one example, you probably missed it.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=31527.msg371510#msg371510
Spent most of my time on the Scout board but would come here to read this one. Did not sign up until March, which is also months before Chico was ushered out by the way.
I'm not alone in being a long time lurker before actually signing up. Search how many lurkers have been here long before signing up, the list is long including our very own Lenny's Tap.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=25077.msg282801#msg282801
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12696.msg113086#msg113086
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=174.msg1187#msg1187
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2148.msg15913#msg15913
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21699.msg236022#msg236022
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=1262.msg8927#msg8927
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2012, 04:11:26 PM
I'm sure on all issues you consider your viewpoint the rational(e) one. And the fact that you're almost always in a small minority has caused you no pause whatsoever.
Second time you have been funny in the last two days. When you consider you are one of the tin foil banner carriers here and your tin foil views are getting trounced in the poll here. Who is in the minority? Your humor is catchy. :D
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 31, 2012, 10:50:27 PM
I have said many times that I was a lurker here for a long time before joining. Here's one example, you probably missed it.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=31527.msg371510#msg371510
Spent most of my time on the Scout board but would come here to read this one. Did not sign up until March, which is also months before Chico was ushered out by the way.
I'm not alone in being a long time lurker before actually signing up. Search how many lurkers have been here long before signing up, the list is long including our very own Lenny's Tap.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=25077.msg282801#msg282801
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12696.msg113086#msg113086
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=174.msg1187#msg1187
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2148.msg15913#msg15913
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21699.msg236022#msg236022
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=1262.msg8927#msg8927
LOL. Impressive how you used all that lurking time to learn how to imitate Chicos so convincingly.
Second time you have been funny in the last two days. When you consider you are one of the tin foil banner carriers here and your tin foil views are getting trounced in the poll here. Who is in the minority? Your humor is catchy. :D
[/quote] Hoopaloop, I don;t know if you are CBB or not nor do i give a sh*t. However, your continued use of the tin foil reference when it is clearly no longer amusing make you sound like dooshaloop.
Yep, Al was a tough act to follow. We lost Chicago and New York players.
Hank was smart but dry, Rick was learning the trade, we had a piano player who knew
nothing, Deane couldn't coach, O'Neill couldn't get the players, Tan Tom, I hate to say, was probably better than all previously mentioned. No sales charisma like Al. Al could have sold a wooden nickel for $5. No leadership amongst the higher ups that
MU was a top notch program under Al. Hopefully Buzz will restore the program. can't
live in the past and use '77 as stepping stone.
Quote from: ATWizJr on June 01, 2012, 01:07:12 PM
Hoopaloop, I don;t know if you are CBB or not nor do i give a sh*t. However, your continued use of the tin foil reference when it is clearly no longer amusing make you sound like dooshaloop.
What some don't seem to grasp is that the whole tinfoil thing is like the spoon in Matrix. There is no tinfoil. There never was. The tinfoil was simply a constructed idea by a minority group on the site to criticize posters that were either trying to share good information or spreading rumors with questionable validity.
Either way, the tinfoil is at best a joke, but what the posters using the term seriously don't seem to realize is that as they use it, they are mocking themselves. At first it was funny, but I agree that it's starting to just become sad.
I thought this thread was about Chew.
I ain't mad at Chew
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 01, 2012, 01:54:20 PM
I thought this thread was about Chew.
Shocking aint it?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 01, 2012, 01:54:20 PM
I thought this thread was about Chew.
Hoopaloop is Chew.
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 01, 2012, 10:47:13 AM
LOL. Impressive how you used all that lurking time to learn how to imitate Chicos so convincingly.
Reminds me of this:
(http://blog.nj.com/hobokennow/2007/08/SingleWhiteFemale.jpg)
(not calling anyone anything, just referring to the situation)