Ok guys I'm a little lost and I know I'm gonna get blasted for not knowing who Hiroshima is but oh well. Many of you on here reference "Hiroshima" and I'm clueless as to what you all are talking about! Can Someone please enlighten me? Thanks!
It is the perception on this board, by a bunch of posters that are usually wrong, that a large number of player will transfer when the semester is over. Hence Hiroshima.
In addition, the thing that will set off this "bomb" will be the fact that the administration will retroactively increase the level of difficulity of admissions and GPA for current students.
And naturally, if you think through the logic of this move, it doesn't necessarily come across as "common sensical", regardless of what some of us think of the current AD and President. But then again....hey...this is a blog so...let everyone run amok!
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 09, 2012, 07:41:04 AM
It is the perception on this board, by a bunch of posters that are usually wrong, that a large number of player will transfer when the semester is over. Hence Hiroshima.
Actually, that's not quite true. It is what the reaction would be on this board IF an alleged change in academic policy by the athletic department WAS the reason for certain transfers. I truly have no idea if anyone is transferring.
I had a different take....muguru cryptically wrote about "player(s)" being pushed out that want to stay. The "Hiroshima" aspect was if/when the reasons for the departed came out. Most likely that they would never sniff the court. He mentioned that it wasn't an academic issue. It was written before Durley de-committed and Jones announced his transfer.....the 2 guys most already figured were gone and the "player(s)" muguru was surely referencing. In the weeks following, many posters have mocked the "Hiroshima" exaggeration, but some have not picked up on the sarcasm and have continued to speculate. Is Vander leaving....or Juan.....I highly doubt it.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 09, 2012, 08:10:33 AM
Actually, that's not quite true. It is what the reaction would be on this board IF an alleged change in academic policy by the athletic department WAS the reason for certain transfers. I truly have no idea if anyone is transferring.
Assuming this happens, how would we know? Do you expect a press release announcing the new standard?
If this happens, we will never know.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 09, 2012, 07:41:04 AM
.. posters that are usually wrong..
Such a classic response to (negative) information, posted by someone(s) who is sharing what they've heard, getting slammed for it.
FYI, I heard the same info, AMU84, from a source I very much trust. I'm pretty sure you can't group me into the "a bunch of posters that are usually wrong" category. The point is .. there is a high probability that much of the basis for these rumors are true .. some players are in academic trouble, and may be leaving when grades are final. Whether that comes to pass, we're all holding our breath.
My reading is the same as Sultan's — Hiroshima is what this board would look like if a bunch of transfers occurred due to retroactive academic failings (failing players for not meeting unknown future standards is unfair).
I'm not sure anyone knows that something is going to happen of if it's just a handful of posters stirring the pot.
Should this particular scenario happen, though, I think it's probably pretty accurate. A quick glance at the number of people that actively hate the MU Board, AD and president over whispers surrounding the SMU debacle tells you all you need to know about message boards and overreactions.
If something actually happened, they might need to shut down the Internet.
Quote from: TheBuzzsaw on May 09, 2012, 08:17:10 AM
I had a different take....muguru cryptically wrote about "player(s)" being pushed out that want to stay. The "Hiroshima" aspect was if/when the reasons for the departed came out. Most likely that they would never sniff the court. He mentioned that it wasn't an academic issue. It was written before Durley de-committed and Jones announced his transfer.....the 2 guys most already figured were gone and the "player(s)" muguru was surely referencing. In the weeks following, many posters have mocked the "Hiroshima" exaggeration, but some have not picked up on the sarcasm and have continued to speculate. Is Vander leaving....or Juan.....I highly doubt it.
muguru verified that it was a strengthening of the academic standards by the athletic department. His point was that increasing such standards during a player's academic career was not fair.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 09, 2012, 08:25:42 AM
muguru verified that it was a strengthening of the academic standards by the athletic department. His point was that increasing such standards during a player's academic career was not fair.
I see. That would be Hiroshima here!
I'm 99.9% confident that the players being referred to by muguru and others were NOT Durley and Jones. Those were expected by many and hardly viewed in a "Hiroshima" light.
Dreadman,
please keep in mind this is all idle chicken little conspiracy theorist delusions. See per the conspiracy Larry Williams is not the lone gunman, Father Pilarz is actually on the grassy knoll or is it the MU Hall belltower?
Furthermore they we planted, into their leadership positions, by our enemies, georgetown and Notre Dame, while our ninkompoop Board of Trustees slept at the wheel and did not detect these obvious plants.
Thankfully, Goose, Muguru, and others that panic and worry 24 hours a day about the impending doom of Mu basketball are all over this. Their training has allowed them to detect these double agents with absolutely no evidence expect for their ablity to decipher internet forum rumor (or create it).
Much like the underwear bombers of Al-Quaida, Dreadman have no fear becuase some of the posters of MuScoop are all over this one. You would be shocked to know what they know. You would prolly not be able to sleep at night if you know what they are finding.
They will not rest until the all those attempting to keep Mu from its right full place atop the college basketball world are exposed and vanquished.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on May 09, 2012, 07:29:20 AM
Ok guys I'm a little lost and I know I'm gonna get blasted for not knowing who Hiroshima is but oh well. Many of you on here reference "Hiroshima" and I'm clueless as to what you all are talking about! Can Someone please enlighten me? Thanks!
Just in case you are really young and really Sarah Palinish when it comes to American and world history and
really don't know who/what Hiroshima is ...
It's the city in Japan where the U.S. dropped the first atom bomb in 1945. Three days later, a second bomb drop, at Nagasaki, effectively ended World War II.
About 160,000 people died directly from the two bombings, and thousands upon thousands more died from the aftereffects. So, obviously, a kid transferring from one college to another to play basketball would result in similar devastation.
Class dismissed. Test tomorrow.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on May 09, 2012, 08:21:11 AM
Such a classic response to (negative) information, posted by someone(s) who is sharing what they've heard, getting slammed for it.
FYI, I heard the same info, AMU84, from a source I very much trust. I'm pretty sure you can't group me into the "a bunch of posters that are usually wrong" category. The point is .. there is a high probability that much of the basis for these rumors are true .. some players are in academic trouble, and may be leaving when grades are final. Whether that comes to pass, we're all holding our breath.
Players in academic trouble is absolutely believable, Topper.
Using that "confirmed rumor" to speculate that Pilarz and Larry are trying to send MU back to the stone ages, or be like SLU, or be like ND or whatever is what I found ridiculous. I'd like to see the hand MU is dealt before I go all-in on Hiroshima and my impending harakiri.
Uthoff is visiting MU. I heard that Buzz wants to be more like UW! I read that on the internet, so there's something to it.
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2012, 08:47:27 AM
Just in case you are really young and really Sarah Palinish when it comes to American and world history and really don't know who/what Hiroshima is ...
It's the city in Japan where the U.S. dropped the first atom bomb in 1945. Three days later, a second bomb drop, at Nagasaki, effectively ended World War II.
About 160,000 people died directly from the two bombings, and thousands upon thousands more died from the aftereffects. So, obviously, a kid transferring from one college to another to play basketball would result in similar devastation.
Class dismissed. Test tomorrow.
I <3 Wikipedia too.
So if this situation is being referred to as Hiroshima can we start calling the Buzz to SMU situation the Battle of the Bulge?
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 09, 2012, 08:42:58 AM
Dreadman,
please keep in mind this is all idle chicken little conspiracy theorist delusions. See per the conspiracy Larry Williams is not the lone gunman, Father Pilarz is actually on the grassy knoll or is it the MU Hall belltower?
Furthermore they we planted, into their leadership positions, by our enemies, georgetown and Notre Dame, while our ninkompoop Board of Trustees slept at the wheel and did not detect these obvious plants.
Thankfully, Goose, Muguru, and others that panic and worry 24 hours a day about the impending doom of Mu basketball are all over this. Their training has allowed them to detect these double agents with absolutely no evidence expect for their ablity to decipher internet forum rumor (or create it).
Much like the underwear bombers of Al-Quaida, Dreadman have no fear becuase some of the posters of MuScoop are all over this one. You would be shocked to know what they know. You would prolly not be able to sleep at night if you know what they are finding.
They will not rest until the all those attempting to keep Mu from its right full place atop the college basketball world are exposed and vanquished.
(http://markreads.net/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/clapping.gif)
Quote from: smrunner99 on May 09, 2012, 09:17:06 AM
So if this situation is being referred to as Hiroshima can we start calling the Buzz to SMU situation the Battle of the Bulge?
That was Buzz's sleep deprivation/weight issues a couple years back. Buzz to SMU was the Spanish Inquisition.
CanadianDimes
For the record, I no longer worry about the future of MU ball. Obviously the consensus of this board is strongly behind the brass of the school and that is the way it is. It seems to me after reading many posts that no matter what happens many here believe MU will remain at a lofty place in the basketball community. My comments over past two months were based off my opinion on how I believe MU needs to run the program to be elite status. What ultimately happens long term will happen no matter what any of us wants.
You can bash my comments all you want. Honestly I believe the school knows the vast majority of basketball backers will remain fans even if we slip a notch or two in the big picture. I was mocked for saying we could become SLU and for 90% of MU fans they probably would be accepting of that. SLU was NCAA team this year and spent less money getting there.
Whatever happens, happens.
Find out next Friday when the semester ends.....
Quote from: Goose on May 09, 2012, 09:21:23 AM
CanadianDimes
For the record, I no longer worry about the future of MU ball. Obviously the consensus of this board is strongly behind the brass of the school and that is the way it is. It seems to me after reading many posts that no matter what happens many here believe MU will remain at a lofty place in the basketball community. My comments over past two months were based off my opinion on how I believe MU needs to run the program to be elite status. What ultimately happens long term will happen no matter what any of us wants.
You can bash my comments all you want. Honestly I believe the school knows the vast majority of basketball backers will remain fans even if we slip a notch or two in the big picture. I was mocked for saying we could become SLU and for 90% of MU fans they probably would be accepting of that. SLU was NCAA team this year and spent less money getting there.
Whatever happens, happens.
Actually, you bring up a very good point, MU needs to stay aggressive with their athletics to stay on it's current level and trajectory. That means spending, investing in talented coaches, facilities, etc. Especially given the current conference instability.
MU has been aggressive the past 10 years or so, and I would say it has been paying dividends.
Where you and I disagree is that 1 or 2 rumors about the new admin. is not a clear indicator that MU is heading different direction.
Even if the rumors are true, I think it's reasonable to wait and see what some of the outcomes are before we start accusing the new AD of being incompetent, or the new President of being some sort of crazy academic that hates basketball.
EXAMPLE:
Buzz Williams took the MU head coaching job and Trevor Mbakwe transferred to a junior college late in the summer. Was that because Buzz is a terrible coach? or maybe it was because Trevor just didn't want to be there anymore?
It would have been stupid to make a broad sweeping statement about Buzz back then based upon 1 case, just like it's stupid to make broad, sweeping statements about the new admin.
no hiroshima for me...
1) If a player can't meet minimal academic standards, they need not be on the team
2) I highly doubt the leadership of this university would retroactively enact "unfair" standards in order to kick off players of the team - they would open themselves for a huge liability and criticism. Pretty sure they would give warning and ample time to meet new standards which potential failing players failed to heed or simply cannot meet (see point #1).
3) If there are severe discipline problems, they need not be on the team...
Besides, replacement players may be better than departing players...
Seems to be the Hiroshima idea is an unprovable tin foil hat conspiracy theory. That means it can live on and on and on with no basis in reality.
So how long after finals are over can we proclaim it is not going to happen?
Quote from: Goose on May 09, 2012, 09:21:23 AM
CanadianDimes
For the record, I no longer worry about the future of MU ball. Obviously the consensus of this board is strongly behind the brass of the school and that is the way it is. It seems to me after reading many posts that no matter what happens many here believe MU will remain at a lofty place in the basketball community. My comments over past two months were based off my opinion on how I believe MU needs to run the program to be elite status. What ultimately happens long term will happen no matter what any of us wants.
You can bash my comments all you want. Honestly I believe the school knows the vast majority of basketball backers will remain fans even if we slip a notch or two in the big picture. I was mocked for saying we could become SLU and for 90% of MU fans they probably would be accepting of that. SLU was NCAA team this year and spent less money getting there.
Whatever happens, happens.
Disagree, i know a number of large boosters. I also know that Mu admin. understands what value MU as a national player brings to MU. They know why applications are up, they know why/how the Al got built. They fired Mike Deane when he stated he did not feel MU was the kind of program that could go to the NCAA every year or compete for national title despite him averging 20 wins a season.
They know the value of charter jets, and the second largest basketball budget in college basketball.
Might Williams say something that might be construed incorrectly? sure. You guys are over the top. Between Muguru, u and IWB, your "information" has been negative to the program and its fans over the last few months. And quite frankly has been a real downer. I hate the Scout board, but have been finding myself going therefor an MU fix, because some many posts over here have been so off base and depressing.
my 2cents
I ate Taco Bell last night for the first time in years.
I figured it might be relevant to this Hiroshima discussion. Just saying.
2002alum
Just curious on what constitutes rumor vs. info? Topper indicated he had received info from a credible source, is that written off as rumor or info? It seems that many believe that anyone that has stated "1 or 2 rumors" is blowing things out of proportion. If rumor #1 (MU would prefer Buzz go elsewhere) or rumor #2 (new academic standards for our guys) turned out to be true, does it affect the future of MU basketball?
I would say that at this point anyone who knows anybody involved in school or program have heard these rumors. Now, does it only become info if you hear it from someone you trust?
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2012, 08:47:27 AM
Just in case you are really young and really Sarah Palinish when it comes to American and world history and really don't know who/what Hiroshima is ...
It's the city in Japan where the U.S. dropped the first atom bomb in 1945. Three days later, a second bomb drop, at Nagasaki, effectively ended World War II.
About 160,000 people died directly from the two bombings, and thousands upon thousands more died from the aftereffects. So, obviously, a kid transferring from one college to another to play basketball would result in similar devastation.
Class dismissed. Test tomorrow.
Cheap political shot (Hards will be horrified) followed by a large dose of smugness. Nice post.
Canadian Dimes
I think Buzz even listening to SMU to be depressing. Do you really think he only listened because of it being in Texas? You can say whatever you want to make the Buzz/SMU dance into a small thing but think you are kidding yourself. By the way, what do you consider a large booster?
Quote from: nyg on May 09, 2012, 09:25:05 AM
Find out next Friday when the semester ends.....
The semester ends this Friday. And Buzz said on the radio yesterday that they get a week off before summer session begins on May 21. Verified here:
http://www.marquette.edu/mucentral/registrar/cal_acadcal1112ugrd.shtml#summer12
My guess is that we hear something next week when the player is home and doesn't have to deal with it while on campus.
Quote from: Goose on May 09, 2012, 09:44:08 AM
2002alum
Just curious on what constitutes rumor vs. info? Topper indicated he had received info from a credible source, is that written off as rumor or info? It seems that many believe that anyone that has stated "1 or 2 rumors" is blowing things out of proportion. If rumor #1 (MU would prefer Buzz go elsewhere) or rumor #2 (new academic standards for our guys) turned out to be true, does it affect the future of MU basketball?
I would say that at this point anyone who knows anybody involved in school or program have heard these rumors. Now, does it only become info if you hear it from someone you trust?
#1 We have confirmation that Buzz talked to SMU. Rumor has it that MU and Buzz might not see eye to eye on some things. This is not unbelievable or crazy. In the history of D1 sports, I'm sure lots of AD's and Head Coaches have had issues.
Where it gets crazy is when people jump to the conclusion that MU doesn't want Buzz, or MU wants to spend less, or MU doesn't want JUCOS or Larry is a football guy, or Buzz is mad at Larry because of quotes in the paper, etc. etc.
#2 Player(s) are currently in academic "trouble". Rumor has it that MU is raising the standards. Fine, that's definitely possible.
Here's the crazy: MU is doing it in an effort to run off a specific player, MU is trying to become Stanford, MU is trying to run Buzz out, MU wants more white guys, MU is doing it retroactively, and doesn't want the players to succeed, MU doesn't care about athletics, Larry wants to do things the "ND way", Hiroshima, etc.
There are posters with good track records of rumors, so generally I believe those people. It's the speculation that follows that I find generally baseless and unreasonable.
Also, I'm sure this is the speech Larry gave the team about the "new" academic standards. Ed Harris is in the role of Jamil Wilson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUqo5tPZjrM&feature=related
(some swearing, so be careful at work)
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 09, 2012, 09:58:57 AM
#1 We have confirmation that Buzz talked to SMU. Rumor has it that MU and Buzz might not see eye to eye on some things.
This is not unbelievable or crazy. In the history of D1 sports, I'm sure lots of AD's and Head Coaches have had issues.
Where it gets crazy is when people jump to the conclusion that MU doesn't want Buzz, or MU wants to spend less, or MU doesn't want JUCOS or Larry is a football guy, or Buzz is mad at Larry because of quotes in the paper, etc. etc.
#2 Player(s) are currently in academic "trouble". Rumor has it that MU is raising the standards.
Fine, that's definitely possible.
Here's the crazy: MU is doing it in an effort to run off a specific player, MU is trying to become Stanford, MU is trying to run Buzz out, MU wants more white guys, MU is doing it retroactively, and doesn't want the players to succeed, MU doesn't care about athletics, Larry wants to do things the "ND way", Hiroshima, etc.
There are posters with good track records of rumors, so generally I believe those people. It's the speculation that follows that I find generally baseless and unreasonable.
OK. What conclusion would you jump to?
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 09, 2012, 09:37:47 AM
Besides, replacement players may be better than departing players...
Gene Hackman agrees with you...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191397/
2002alum
Agreed on post. Again, for the record, I have not believed guys were being "forced" out by school. If a kid flunks out I will not blame anyone but the kid.
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 09, 2012, 10:03:30 AM
OK. What conclusion would you jump to?
That's the point: why do you HAVE TO jump to a conclusion?
Quote from: smrunner99 on May 09, 2012, 09:17:06 AM
So if this situation is being referred to as Hiroshima can we start calling the Buzz to SMU situation the Battle of the Bulge?
No, the Battle of the Bulge is what I experience everyday of my life as I try to lose and keep weight off!
Plus, the Battle of the Bulge didn't have enough destruction. If a player or two transferring is equal to a nuclear bomb or two dropped on large cities, well then, we need something bigger to describe the Buzz to SMU flurtation.
Great post 2002 - really sums up the craziness on this board...
I vote 2002 for "Voice of Reason" of the day...
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 09, 2012, 09:58:57 AM
#1 We have confirmation that Buzz talked to SMU. Rumor has it that MU and Buzz might not see eye to eye on some things.
This is not unbelievable or crazy. In the history of D1 sports, I'm sure lots of AD's and Head Coaches have had issues.
Where it gets crazy is when people jump to the conclusion that MU doesn't want Buzz, or MU wants to spend less, or MU doesn't want JUCOS or Larry is a football guy, or Buzz is mad at Larry because of quotes in the paper, etc. etc.
#2 Player(s) are currently in academic "trouble". Rumor has it that MU is raising the standards.
Fine, that's definitely possible.
Here's the crazy: MU is doing it in an effort to run off a specific player, MU is trying to become Stanford, MU is trying to run Buzz out, MU wants more white guys, MU is doing it retroactively, and doesn't want the players to succeed, MU doesn't care about athletics, Larry wants to do things the "ND way", Hiroshima, etc.
There are posters with good track records of rumors, so generally I believe those people. It's the speculation that follows that I find generally baseless and unreasonable.
Also, I'm sure this is the speech Larry gave the team about the "new" academic standards. Ed Harris is in the role of Jamil Wilson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUqo5tPZjrM&feature=related
(some swearing, so be careful at work)
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 09, 2012, 10:03:30 AM
OK. What conclusion would you jump to?
RE Buzz and admin:Sometimes bosses flex too much muscle, sometimes employees want too much freedom. If they want MU athletics to succeed (on and off the court), they will work it out. If Buzz doesn't like it, he'll find someplace else. I don't think that Buzz leaving is the end of MU hoops as we know it. Incredibility disappointing, but not the end of the world.
Academics:Well, if MU is raising the standards, I think it's reasonable to assume they will give a player a chance to meet the standard. If the player(s) can't, that's a shame, and I'll hate it. BUT, I don't think this is the start of MU recruiting only white guys.
Quote from: Rubie Q on May 09, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
That's the point: why do you HAVE TO jump to a conclusion?
You have to jump to conclusions until D-Day.
At least Palin's grades are published... Hiroshima is also a hell of a band
Quote from: Rubie Q on May 09, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
That's the point: why do you HAVE TO jump to a conclusion?
Exactly. If Buzz isn't getting along with LW or Pilarz, I have no idea if that is because either "side" is being unreasonable. So I am not going to make assumptions in that regard.
Same with the academic standards issue. *IF* some player is gone for academic reasons next year, we have no idea if the reason is because the standards were raised or not. It could very well be that they may not have been eligible under the old standards.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 09, 2012, 09:58:57 AM
#1 We have confirmation that Buzz talked to SMU. Rumor has it that MU and Buzz might not see eye to eye on some things.
This is not unbelievable or crazy. In the history of D1 sports, I'm sure lots of AD's and Head Coaches have had issues.
Where it gets crazy is when people jump to the conclusion that MU doesn't want Buzz, or MU wants to spend less, or MU doesn't want JUCOS or Larry is a football guy, or Buzz is mad at Larry because of quotes in the paper, etc. etc.
My source who told me in April 2011 that he thought Buzz would be an MU lifer said in January 2012 (8 months later) that Buzz was unhappy and he (my source)wouldn't be surprised if he was gone at the end of the season. I have no reason to doubt him, and the fact that Buzz said "don't mess with happy" and didn't want to talk to Arkansas, Oklahoma or Texas A+M in 2011 yet listened to a much lower profile SMU this year confirms that Buzz's relationship with MU has changed for the worse. Why that is I'm not sure, but I don't think it's crazy to posit that there are problems with his superiors. In fact, it's the only conclusion that seems logical.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 09, 2012, 09:58:57 AM
#2 Player(s) are currently in academic "trouble". Rumor has it that MU is raising the standards.
Fine, that's definitely possible.
Here's the crazy: MU is doing it in an effort to run off a specific player, MU is trying to become Stanford, MU is trying to run Buzz out, MU wants more white guys, MU is doing it retroactively, and doesn't want the players to succeed, MU doesn't care about athletics, Larry wants to do things the "ND way", Hiroshima, etc.
There are posters with good track records of rumors, so generally I believe those people. It's the speculation that follows that I find generally baseless and unreasonable.
If player(s) flunk out based on the the standards given them when they were recruited so be it. If they flunk out by new standards (especially if applied retroactively) shame on Marquette and its decision makers.
All the other stuff is noise that I think you are either exaggerating or making up. Who has actually said that MU "doesn't care about athletics" or "doesn't want (its) players to succeed. C'mon.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
If player(s) flunk out based on the the standards given them when they were recruited so be it. If they flunk out by new standards (especially if applied retroactively) shame on Marquette and its decision makers.
All the other stuff is noise that I think you are either exaggerating or making up. Who has actually said that MU "doesn't care about athletics" or "doesn't want (its) players to succeed. C'mon.
The quotes aren't verbatim, of course.
But, the implication from some was that MU was far more concerned with it's academic standing and would try to reduce MU's athletic profile and spending.
You don't get to 100+ page threads with logical thinking. I assure you I haven't made this stuff up.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2012, 10:35:57 AM
My source who told me in April 2011 that he thought Buzz would be an MU lifer said in January 2012 (8 months later) that Buzz was unhappy and he (my source)wouldn't be surprised if he was gone at the end of the season. I have no reason to doubt him, and the fact that Buzz said "don't mess with happy" and didn't want to talk to Arkansas, Oklahoma or Texas A+M in 2011 yet listened to a much lower profile SMU this year confirms that Buzz's relationship with MU has changed for the worse. Why that is I'm not sure, but I don't think it's crazy to posit that there are problems with his superiors. In fact, it's the only conclusion that seems logical.
Be careful. You may be accused of jumping to conclusions as opposed to simply coming to a conclusion.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2012, 10:35:57 AM
My source who told me in April 2011 that he thought Buzz would be an MU lifer said in January 2012 (8 months later) that Buzz was unhappy and he (my source)wouldn't be surprised if he was gone at the end of the season. I have no reason to doubt him, and the fact that Buzz said "don't mess with happy" and didn't want to talk to Arkansas, Oklahoma or Texas A+M in 2011 yet listened to a much lower profile SMU this year confirms that Buzz's relationship with MU has changed for the worse. Why that is I'm not sure, but I don't think it's crazy to posit that there are problems with his superiors. In fact, it's the only conclusion that seems logical.
You might be right, I have no sources and no idea, and that's kind of my point.
A friend of a friend makes statements about Buzz's situation on the internet, and it gets whipped up into "MU doesn't want Buzz", or is trying to "Push Buzz out" and Pilarz is bad for MU, or Larry is a football guy.
We don't really know WTF is going on. I don't know why Buzz was allegedly happy before, and unhappy now.
We can use high level speculation that bosses and employees don't always get along, but we don't really have any details on the issues or friction.
I'm ok with admitting we don't really know what is going on.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2012, 10:35:57 AM
My source who told me in April 2011 that he thought Buzz would be an MU lifer said in January 2012 (8 months later) that Buzz was unhappy and he (my source)wouldn't be surprised if he was gone at the end of the season. I have no reason to doubt him, and the fact that Buzz said "don't mess with happy" and didn't want to talk to Arkansas, Oklahoma or Texas A+M in 2011 yet listened to a much lower profile SMU this year confirms that Buzz's relationship with MU has changed for the worse. Why that is I'm not sure, but I don't think it's crazy to posit that there are problems with his superiors. In fact, it's the only conclusion that seems logical.
This word "source" gets used a lot -- thanks, ESPN -- but, last I checked, it's come to mean about 36 different things. So I want to make sure I'm on the same page:
When people use the word "source" here, are they using it in the sense a journalist would, i.e., a "source" being someone who is or works for or is a relative of Buzz or Fr. Pilarz or Larry Williams, etc., or do they mean: "This is something I heard from a well-connected fan"? Because I don't think the latter really qualifies as a "source."
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 09, 2012, 11:05:42 AM
Be careful. You may be accused of jumping to conclusions.
You mad, bro?
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/030/403/YouMad.jpg)
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 09, 2012, 11:05:42 AM
Be careful. You may be accused of jumping to conclusions as opposed to simply coming to a conclusion.
OK, I'll answer this one too.
WARNING: FALSE CONCLUSIONS:
- MU knows some things about Buzz and wants to get him out without disclosing the real issues. Why else would a school piss off and ultimately let such a talented guy go? Maybe he's not what he says.
- The player is failing because he hasn't put in the work. Surely he's been given chances to figure it out, but hasn't.
I don't believe either of these, but I can come up with them from my keyboard and tell everybody I'm being reasonable based upon what we've heard/read.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 09, 2012, 10:13:59 AM
RE Buzz and admin:
Sometimes bosses flex too much muscle, sometimes employees want too much freedom. If they want MU athletics to succeed (on and off the court), they will work it out. If Buzz doesn't like it, he'll find someplace else. I don't think that Buzz leaving is the end of MU hoops as we know it. Incredibility disappointing, but not the end of the world.
Academics:
Well, if MU is raising the standards, I think it's reasonable to assume they will give a player a chance to meet the standard. If the player(s) can't, that's a shame, and I'll hate it. BUT, I don't think this is the start of MU recruiting only white guys.
Of course "it's not the end of the world" if Buzz leaves. If your wife leaves and take the kids to New Mexico next week it's not the end of the world either but my guess is you're not trying to mess with happy where they're concerned. Just as it would behoove you to keep her happy, I think it's reasonable that the powers that be at MU be expected by our fanbase to keep our most visible and important asset content. If they can't they'll (deservedly) take major heat.
On your point #2, has anyone suggested (except maybe in jest) that new standards would result in "only recruiting white guys"?
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Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 09, 2012, 11:10:47 AM
You mad, bro?
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Nah. Just stirring the pot and trying to understand what the diff is between "jumping to a conclusion" and deciding to have an opinion based on what I just read. If there is no diff then we are all guilty any time we make a judgement based on what we read on this board or anywhere, for that matter, good or bad. Just semantics, I guess.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2012, 11:19:36 AM
Of course "it's not the end of the world" if Buzz leaves. If your wife leaves and take the kids to New Mexico next week it's not the end of the world either but my guess is you're not trying to mess with happy where they're concerned. Just as it would behoove you to keep her happy, I think it's reasonable that the powers that be at MU be expected by our fanbase to keep our most visible and important asset content. If they can't they'll (deservedly) take major heat.
On your point #2, has anyone suggested (except maybe in jest) that new standards would result in "only recruiting white guys"?
YES. (read the thread)
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32362.msg389113#msg389113
As far as "end of the world", clearly you're right... but the fervor of this board (100+ pages) wasn't really "MU will be alright", the implication was more "the admin should be fired" and/or MU was headed towards some dark days. Some people were saying they would revoke their tickets, stop donations, etc.
Most on this board don't want the administration to mess with happy.
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 09, 2012, 11:20:37 AM
Nah. Just stirring the pot and trying to understand what the diff is between "jumping to a conclusion" and deciding to have an opinion based on what I just read. If there is no diff then we are all guilty any time we make a judgement based on what we read on this board or anywhere, for that matter, good or bad. Just semantics, I guess.
Well, I guess for me, there isn't enough "evidence" to make conclusions or more than high level speculation.
Rumors are Buzz is unhappy. Fine. I'll conclude that is reasonable (given the SMU interview). After that, I don't really know WTF is happening at MU.
It's fun to speculate on the internet, and I guess I'm just a wet blanket.
you dorks are misquoting. I said increasing academic standards would give us a roster more like Duke, Stanford, ND. Based on simply socio-economic factors our pool of african-american athletes shrinks. Chicos then said only white players,.... and I guess 2002 ran with it.
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 09, 2012, 11:28:16 AM
you dorks are misquoting. I said increasing academic standards would give us a roster more like Duke, Stanford, ND. Based on simply socio-economic factors our pool of african-american athletes shrinks. Chicos then said only white players,.... and I guess 2002 ran with it.
You're right. My bad.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 28, 2012, 10:53:31 AM
Basically the end effective outcome will be more white players and less JUCOs, imo. That will be the identity Pilarz wants, less dreads more crew cuts. And as the "poor, tated" kids leave so will the off the court problems.
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Quote from: Stone Cold on May 09, 2012, 11:28:16 AM
you dorks are misquoting. I said increasing academic standards would give us a roster more like Duke, Stanford, ND. Based on simply socio-economic factors our pool of african-american athletes shrinks. Chicos then said only white players,.... and I guess 2002 ran with it.
That's what I mean, Stone. What you say is pure logic. Hoop twists it into something it isn't (cause that's what he does) and next thing you know 2002 has you saying something you never said.
Chicos likes his wild goose chases. We'll have less poor background players (like Jimmy Butler), etc. who are usually less off academically being thrust up at MU into great success stories academically. That will be a shame, these guys will never be given a chance at MU.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 09, 2012, 11:32:28 AM
You're right. My bad.
World of difference between "less" and "more" and "only" and the other side of only, which is none.
Just decided to check in on this thread, so does anyone actually have any facts behind their theories?
No? Okay.
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with all this message board rumor mongering, maybe we can start a new MUSCOOP chant:
hir-O-shi-MA (to the same cadence as Rob-FRO-ze-NA"
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2012, 08:47:27 AM
Just in case you are really young and really Sarah Palinish when it comes to American and world history and really don't know who/what Hiroshima is ...
It's the city in Japan where the U.S. dropped the first atom bomb in 1945. Three days later, a second bomb drop, at Nagasaki, effectively ended World War II.
About 160,000 people died directly from the two bombings, and thousands upon thousands more died from the aftereffects. So, obviously, a kid transferring from one college to another to play basketball would result in similar devastation.
Class dismissed. Test tomorrow.
+1 Best response! I now know what Hiroshima is. Thanks MU82.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2012, 11:42:02 AM
World of difference between "less" and "more" and "only" and the other side of only, which is none.
Fair point.
"...Pilarz wants, less dreads more crew cuts" - Stone Cold
I still find this a HUGE jump and assumption from a rumor that the school MIGHT raise academic standards.
thanks for getting the quote correct.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2012, 09:44:15 AM
Cheap political shot (Hards will be horrified) followed by a large dose of smugness. Nice post.
I minored in smugness, so I finally get to use that in practice!
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2012, 12:58:46 PM
I minored in smugness, so I finally get to use that in practice!
Careful your smugness doesn't combine with George Clooney's smugness....there could be devastating consequences.
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 09, 2012, 11:28:16 AM
you dorks are misquoting.
I think is has been well established that we prefer to be called Nerds, and not geeks or dorks!
Love the Enola Gay picture, BTW.
Quote from: nyg on May 09, 2012, 09:25:05 AM
Find out next Friday when the semester ends.....
Late in the day is usually when the press releases come out. that way there's a weekend long cool off period before the Sports Information Department gets inundated.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 09, 2012, 09:40:08 AM
1. Seems to be the Hiroshima idea is an unprovable tin foil hat conspiracy theory. That means it can live on and on and on with no basis in reality.
2. So how long after finals are over can we proclaim it is not going to happen?
1. You're dismissing Topper's comments out of hand, then?
2. Personally, I'm going to continue to scan the skies with my binoculars until I hear an all clear from Topper or MUguru.
LittleMurs
I am with you. Muguru has been the go to guy on this and now Topper added his comments. I am waiting all clear from one or both of them. While not 100% in their camp on this I do think they possibly are hearing real info and not rumors.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 09, 2012, 09:40:08 AM
Seems to be the Hiroshima idea is an unprovable tin foil hat conspiracy theory. That means it can live on and on and on with no basis in reality.
Speaking of unprovable tin foil hat therories, how about the one that when Doo Koo Kim died boxing died with it? I hear that one's still around ;)
Instead of using Hiroshima, can't we use "Jumping Out of McCormick's Windows Day"?
It's more MU relevant.
Quote from: mu03eng on May 09, 2012, 01:06:41 PM
Careful your smugness doesn't combine with George Clooney's smugness....there could be devastating consequences.
Well, if you call abundant, cheap energy without radioactive waste devastating consequences, then yes.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 09, 2012, 02:06:20 PM
1. You're dismissing Topper's comments out of hand, then?
2. Personally, I'm going to continue to scan the skies with my binoculars until I hear an all clear from Topper or MUguru.
All of us are, brother. even jimmy.
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Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 09, 2012, 02:42:43 PM
Instead of using Hiroshima, can't we use "Jumping Out of McCormick's Windows Day"?
It's more MU relevant.
But not poster relevant, for some time now for most of us. And MUGuru when he coined the term (actually, he called it Hiroshima II) was referring to the reaction of the posters on this board when they found out.
Hiroshima is what F*ckin' claims to have seen in the bowl after a round of nachos.
Quote from: jesmu84 on May 09, 2012, 10:03:51 AM
Gene Hackman agrees with you...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191397/
You mean Jimmy McGinty
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2012, 08:47:27 AM
Just in case you are really young and really Sarah Palinish when it comes to American and world history and really don't know who/what Hiroshima is ...
Class dismissed. Test tomorrow.
Almost 12 hours and Hards hasn't been by to express his dismay with political commentary. I guess it really does depend on whose ox is being gored....right Hards?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 09, 2012, 02:42:43 PM
Instead of using Hiroshima, can't we use "Jumping Out of McCormick's Windows Day"?
It's more MU relevant.
Wally Spence