While we all knew it was coming, it's now official:
Quote from: @WisBBYearbookMarquette and Wisconsin have extended offers to Dominican freshman Diamond Stone.
That's Mark Miller's site. Hopefully Buzz offering a guy between his freshman and sophomore year doesn't make anyone squirmy... ;D
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 28, 2012, 09:54:37 AM
While we all knew it was coming, it's now official:
That's Mark Miller's site. Hopefully Buzz offering a guy between his freshman and sophomore year doesn't make anyone squirmy... ;D
At least it's not an 8th grader.
is he traditional enough for the BOT?
Nice to think that Buzz is thinking that far ahead?
Of course Buzz is recruiting looking forward. I only hoping he is recruiting looking forward for MU and looking forward to new school. He has to build bond with kid whether he is here or not down the road.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on April 28, 2012, 09:58:40 AM
At least it's not an 8th grader.
Tom Crean (cough cough cough)
Buzz Williams and Bo Ryan are in the gym checking on 2014 Kevon Looney of the Milwaukee Running Rebels.
https://twitter.com/#!/ndkendrick_rr
Have we offered Kevon yet?
Quote from: ibechillindoe on April 28, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
Buzz Williams and Bo Ryan are in the gym checking on 2014 Kevon Looney of the Milwaukee Running Rebels.
https://twitter.com/#!/ndkendrick_rr
Have we offered Kevon yet?
on rivals it says we have offered
Can we put to rest already the talk of insane academics. Buzz isn't going to stop offering kids. If Looney is offered, this will only confirm that the comments about Buzz only able to go after a certain kind of student athlete are unfounded.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 28, 2012, 02:50:54 PM
Can we put to rest already the talk of insane academics. Buzz isn't going to stop offering kids. If Looney is offered, this will only confirm that the comments about Buzz only able to go after a certain kind of student athlete are unfounded.
Is it well known that he isn't a good student or something? I haven't heard anything about his academics.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
Is it well known that he isn't a good student or something? I haven't heard anything about his academics.
The implication has been that we will only be able to go after white kids that are running around with 3.5 GPAs. Half that thread has been taken down, but comments that we were going back to the 1930's, etc, etc.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 28, 2012, 03:17:50 PM
The implication has been that we will only be able to go after white kids that are running around with 3.5 GPAs. Half that thread has been taken down, but comments that we were going back to the 1930's, etc, etc.
As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.
It might help if we go over what has been said:
1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.
Lenny
Spot on!!!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.
It might help if we go over what has been said:
1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.
I would add that the current standards are the NCAA standards.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.
It might help if we go over what has been said:
1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.
Have we heard anything about tougher admissions, or just tougher GPA requirements when they are actually in school?
Quote from: MUMac on April 28, 2012, 04:52:57 PM
I would add that the current standards are the NCAA standards.
I would further add that operating under these standards has no kept Marquette from having a much better than average graduation rate for male basketball players.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.
It might help if we go over what has been said:
1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.
Correction. Our fans here were exaggerating and I'm merely highlighting it. Let me show you some examples. THESE are exaggerations, just a few from only the last couple of hours.
"Basically the end
effective outcome will be more white players and less JUCOs, imo. That will be the identity Pilarz wants, less dreads more crew cuts. And as the "poor, tated" kids leave so will the off the court problems.'
"It will be
impossible to maintain it at the same level. For whatever reason Fr. P cannot and doesn't comprehend the fact that right or wrong, the BB program is THE face of the University. It drives everything. That goes down, so does the image of the University. It's just a fact."
"Look at the rosters of ND, Duke, and Stanford.
Black athletes will have less opportunity at Marquette. The pool will shrink."
"We'll be left with the sloppy seconds academic all-americans."
Quote from: MUMac on April 28, 2012, 04:52:57 PM
I would add that the current standards are the NCAA standards.
The question is should we be using the NCAA minimum standards or aspire to be doing things better.
This is why the graduation rates that people here throw around are not necessarily indicative of everything.
As Blackheart asked earlier about Purdue. The Boilers have 7 current players as All Academic Big Ten and essentially blew their game against Kansas (the national runner-up) to go to the Sweet 16. MU has zero All Academic Big East players. Last year we had one, a walk on in Frozena.
When I read some of the comments by those on the panic side of the fence, they seem to think that it is impossible for Marquette to win at a high level with quality student athletes, even with higher standards?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 28, 2012, 04:59:07 PM
Correction. Our fans here were exaggerating and I'm merely highlighting it. Let me show you some examples. THESE are exaggerations, just a few from only the last couple of hours.
"Basically the end effective outcome will be more white players and less JUCOs, imo. That will be the identity Pilarz wants, less dreads more crew cuts. And as the "poor, tated" kids leave so will the off the court problems.'
"It will be impossible to maintain it at the same level. For whatever reason Fr. P cannot and doesn't comprehend the fact that right or wrong, the BB program is THE face of the University. It drives everything. That goes down, so does the image of the University. It's just a fact."
"Look at the rosters of ND, Duke, and Stanford. Black athletes will have less opportunity at Marquette. The pool will shrink."
"We'll be left with the sloppy seconds academic all-americans."
So how is going from "Black athletes will have less opportunity at Marquette" to you claiming that MU will only be able to recruit white guys with 3.5s not a mischaracterization and an exaggeration?
This board is soooooo over the top with it's chicken little speculation!!!! Some idiot like IWB says Smu requested to talk to buzz and all of a sudden buzz is enemies with pilarz and williams. Then the 12th man on the team who gets no playing time and projects to be the 13th man on the team next transfers and now pilarz and the BOt are hamstringing the entire basketball program with draconian measures.
Really Lenny?
This chicken little speculation is embarrassing at best. I am gonna take a vacation from you morons for a while.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 28, 2012, 05:09:18 PM
This board is soooooo over the top with it's chicken little speculation!!!! Some idiot like IWB says Smu requested to talk to buzz and all of a sudden buzz is enemies with pilarz and williams. Then the 12th man on the team who gets no playing time and projects to be the 13th man on the team next transfers and now pilarz and the BOt are hamstringing the entire basketball program with draconian measures.
Really Lenny?
This chicken little speculation is embarrassing at best. I am gonna take a vacation from you morons for a while.
You should probably read the MUBB and academics thread.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 28, 2012, 05:10:38 PM
You should probably read the MUBB and academics thread.
Well, the comment did not make dimes an idiot as he so intellectually called IWB, but it does make him ignorant to the comment he responded to. Class act that dimes is.
Quote from: MUMac on April 28, 2012, 04:52:57 PM
I would add that the current standards are the NCAA standards.
Our eligibility standards as published are the current NCAA stadards. According to some here, the standards will be retroactively changed and the announcement will come soon.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2012, 05:29:45 PM
Our eligibility standards as published are the current NCAA stadards. According to some here, the standards will be retroactively changed and the announcement will come soon.
I understand that. The individual you were addressing either did not or was disingenuous with some of his comments as he certainly made it appear these standards are the ones being discussed going forward. Which is why I added that.
Quote from: MUMac on April 28, 2012, 05:35:38 PM
I understand that. The individual you were addressing either did not or was disingenuous with some of his comments as he certainly made it appear these standards are the ones being discussed going forward. Which is why I added that.
Gotcha.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 28, 2012, 05:03:01 PM
The question is should we be using the NCAA minimum standards or aspire to be doing things better.
This is why the graduation rates that people here throw around are not necessarily indicative of everything.
As Blackheart asked earlier about Purdue. The Boilers have 7 current players as All Academic Big Ten and essentially blew their game against Kansas (the national runner-up) to go to the Sweet 16. MU has zero All Academic Big East players. Last year we had one, a walk on in Frozena.
When I read some of the comments by those on the panic side of the fence, they seem to think that it is impossible for Marquette to win at a high level with quality student athletes, even with higher standards?
You left out that Purdue also had players arrested multiple times and thrown off the team...they also only graduate 50% of their players, like Wisky, but better than Ohio State. Their predominant major is Leadership and Supervision. As I stated in the PM, MU graduates players. There are few schools blameless, including Gtown and SLU.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.
It might help if we go over what has been said:
1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.
Thanks for saving me a buttload of typing. Nail on the head.
I don't know why anyone would be questioning Stone's academics anyways because if Bo Ryan and Wisconsin offered him, by defintion he must be a rocket scientist. Probably would gradute in three years. Maybe two if he really tries at it. ::)
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 29, 2012, 12:56:08 AM
You left out that Purdue also had players arrested multiple times and thrown off the team...they also only graduate 50% of their players, like Wisky, but better than Ohio State. Their predominant major is Leadership and Supervision. As I stated in the PM, MU graduates players. There are few schools blameless, including Gtown and SLU.
Respectfully, I did, but the mods blew up that thread. Maybe Hilltopper can find that entry and restore it, but I addressed that all teams and coaches have issues, where it becomes problematic is when it is repetitive in a short amount of time. I also addressed the Purdue dismissals, as well, since Painter dismissed them from the team. He gave several of those guys a second chance and they blew it again. At some point you can't keep giving people multiple chances because they never learn.
The predominant major for Purdue basketball players Organizational Leadership and Supervision which is akin to labor relations, human resource management and similar programs in Marquette's business school. They also have engineering, education, business, etc majors. 7 All Big Ten Academic players this year alone is nothing to sneeze at.
Marquette's communications school as produced some really great talent over the years. It is where our basketball players tend to settle for any number of reasons. Ultimately you get out of it what you put into it.
With all the resources MU puts in for educational tutors and such, I am confident our guys will be fine.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2012, 05:06:55 PM
So how is going from "Black athletes will have less opportunity at Marquette" to you claiming that MU will only be able to recruit white guys with 3.5s not a mischaracterization and an exaggeration?
My post was exactly that, a highlight of the gross exaggerations of our fans that we're doomed as a program. Repeating exactly what they had said.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.
It might help if we go over what has been said:
1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.
1) If we all had a nickle for the sourced material here that turned out to be completely BS over the months and years, we would be richer than we are. Can we take a step back to see what actually happens.
2) Suppose the rumors are true, some of our competition has higher standards than us already academically. Notre Dame. They beat us. Vanderbilt. They destroyed us. Stanford. Don't need to tell you what they did to us last time they played us. Where I have trouble with the panic crowd here is that you you are all jumping to conclusions that MU can't win without increasing the standards slight. That is all it is, a slight increase.
3) If it is retroactive, I would have considerable concern about fairness as you and others have stated.
4) I have more faith in Buzz than you do apparently. He values education and he is a great recruiter. If some or all of these rumors are true, than Buzz will have to recruit differently.
5) Wisconsin may be adhering to the same standards as the NCAA minimums, but in the last few years their players have been well above those standards and they are doing just fine.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on April 29, 2012, 09:53:55 AM
I don't know why anyone would be questioning Stone's academics anyways because if Bo Ryan and Wisconsin offered him, by defintion he must be a rocket scientist. Probably would gradute in three years. Maybe two if he really tries at it. ::)
No one that I can see is questioning Stone's academics. The point was that the claims that MU will only be able to go after white players with 3.5 GPAs as some here grossly exaggerated yesterday is wrong.
What interests me about this offer is that Bo offered a freshman. This means a couple of things. 1. This kid appears to be the real deal. 2. Bo knows it and wants to get in on the ground floor with an athletic big. 3. The badger board is going to be doing some serious yoga trying to show how this is a great idea by bo and isn't a direct contradiction to the idea that he doesn't offer players until after their sophomore year.
Nothing would make me happier than Buzz landing a bunch of Milwaukee kids and taking that team deep in the dance, a la the Flintstones a few years back with Izzo. (A) Because it means that Buzz is sticking around. (B) It means the team made a deep run in the tourney. (C) Watching the hissy fit that would ensue in buckyland if Buzz wins with a bunch of Wisconsin kids.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 29, 2012, 11:45:14 AM
Respectfully, I did, but the mods blew up that thread. Maybe Hilltopper can find that entry and restore it, but I addressed that all teams and coaches have issues, where it becomes problematic is when it is repetitive in a short amount of time. I also addressed the Purdue dismissals, as well, since Painter dismissed them from the team. He gave several of those guys a second chance and they blew it again. At some point you can't keep giving people multiple chances because they never learn.
The predominant major for Purdue basketball players Organizational Leadership and Supervision which is akin to labor relations, human resource management and similar programs in Marquette's business school. They also have engineering, education, business, etc majors. 7 All Big Ten Academic players this year alone is nothing to sneeze at.
Marquette's communications school as produced some really great talent over the years. It is where our basketball players tend to settle for any number of reasons. Ultimately you get out of it what you put into it.
With all the resources MU puts in for educational tutors and such, I am confident our guys will be fine.
Thanks for this fair assessment
This guy's name also has porn star potential...
That guy really knows how to handle the rock!
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 29, 2012, 11:45:14 AM
The predominant major for Purdue basketball players Organizational Leadership and Supervision which is akin to labor relations, human resource management and similar programs in Marquette's business school. They also have engineering, education, business, etc majors. 7 All Big Ten Academic players this year alone is nothing to sneeze at.
Marquette's communications school as produced some really great talent over the years. It is where our basketball players tend to settle for any number of reasons. Ultimately you get out of it what you put into it.
I wonder why the majority of Purdue's Academic All Big 10 members (and rest of squad) tend to settle in the Organizational Leadership and Supervision major? Of the 7 All Big Ten Academic guys - it appears you have 6 of 7 traditionals - 1 of whom isn't even listed on the Purdue roster (John Hart): Dru Anthrop, D.J. Byrd, John Hart, Robbie Hummel, Lewis Jackson, Sandi Marcius, Ryne Smith. Whatever the case, this is nothing to sneeze at, and I wish MU could be more like Purdue. I'm embarrassed at the 91% graduation rate of our men's basketball team, most of whom graduate from the College of Communication.
Quote from: Ners on April 30, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
I wonder why the majority of Purdue's Academic All Big 10 members
IS Hoop maintaining the fiction that he is NOT The bail Bondsman? Because The Cheek went to IU and not PU
Quote from: Ners on April 30, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
I wonder why the majority of Purdue's Academic All Big 10 members (and rest of squad) tend to settle in the Organizational Leadership and Supervision major? Of the 7 All Big Ten Academic guys - it appears you have 6 of 7 traditionals - 1 of whom isn't even listed on the Purdue roster (John Hart): Dru Anthrop, D.J. Byrd, John Hart, Robbie Hummel, Lewis Jackson, Sandi Marcius, Ryne Smith. Whatever the case, this is nothing to sneeze at, and I wish MU could be more like Purdue. I'm embarrassed at the 91% graduation rate of our men's basketball team, most of whom graduate from the College of Communication.
You seem a bit sensitive because you happen to be a graduate of the school of communication.
OLS major, from what I understand, is predominantly labor relations, Human Resource management, OSHA type work. Many of those things are taught in MU's business school. OLS isn't a sluff major is my point.
What strikes me is that we've had 1 player in three years on the Big East All –Academic roster. Rob Frozena, a walk on. Purdue had 7 this year alone. PU missed getting to the Sweet 16 because we choked in the last minute to Kansas. We had less talent than MU, but got nearly as far and one could argue we should have gone equally as far. We lost to the NCAA Runner-up meaning we were playing high level competition.
Teams can be successful with high quality academic kids despite the negativity around here that it relegate us to obscurity.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 30, 2012, 10:36:53 PM
You seem a bit sensitive because you happen to be a graduate of the school of communication.
OLS major, from what I understand, is predominantly labor relations, Human Resource management, OSHA type work. Many of those things are taught in MU's business school. OLS isn't a sluff major is my point.
What strikes me is that we've had 1 player in three years on the Big East All –Academic roster. Rob Frozena, a walk on. Purdue had 7 this year alone. PU missed getting to the Sweet 16 because we choked in the last minute to Kansas. We had less talent than MU, but got nearly as far and one could argue we should have gone equally as far. We lost to the NCAA Runner-up meaning we were playing high level competition.
Teams can be successful with high quality academic kids despite the negativity around here that it relegate us to obscurity.
And how would you know that I'm a graduate of the College of Communication Hoop...uh..I mean Chicos?!! Can't wait to hear this explanation. Anyway, Robbie Hummel and Lewis Jackson were the two players worth a lick (athletically) on that team that were among the 7 academic all stars...
On another note, do you happen to have a bumper sticker on your car that reads: My college basketball team has 7 Academic All Conference Students? If not, perhaps you could start a business for yourself and print some stickers - I'm sure they'd sell like hotcakes because everyone cares about the academic prowess of their college basketball/football team...
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 30, 2012, 10:36:53 PM
You seem a bit sensitive because you happen to be a graduate of the school of communication.
OLS major, from what I understand, is predominantly labor relations, Human Resource management, OSHA type work. Many of those things are taught in MU's business school. OLS isn't a sluff major is my point.
What strikes me is that we've had 1 player in three years on the Big East All –Academic roster. Rob Frozena, a walk on. Purdue had 7 this year alone. PU missed getting to the Sweet 16 because we choked in the last minute to Kansas. We had less talent than MU, but got nearly as far and one could argue we should have gone equally as far. We lost to the NCAA Runner-up meaning we were playing high level competition.
Teams can be successful with high quality academic kids despite the negativity around here that it relegate us to obscurity.
I would consider these pretty sluff major-ish.
Quote from: Ners on April 30, 2012, 10:58:38 PM
And how would you know that I'm a graduate of the College of Communication Hoop...uh..I mean Chicos?!! Can't wait to hear this explanation. Anyway, Robbie Hummel and Lewis Jackson were the two players worth a lick (athletically) on that team that were among the 7 academic all stars...
On another note, do you happen to have a bumper sticker on your car that reads: My college basketball team has 7 Academic All Conference Students? If not, perhaps you could start a business for yourself and print some stickers - I'm sure they'd sell like hotcakes because everyone cares about the academic prowess of their college basketball/football team...
Is the Public Relations department still part of the school of Communications? You said you majored in PR so unless the PR Department moved to a different school, you graduated from the Communications school.
No bumper stickers on my vehicles about Purdue. No front page headline articles in the Chicago Tribune multiple times either.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 03, 2012, 02:10:40 PM
Is the Public Relations department still part of the school of Communications? You said you majored in PR so unless the PR Department moved to a different school, you graduated from the Communications school.
No bumper stickers on my vehicles about Purdue. No front page headline articles in the Chicago Tribune multiple times either.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7586637/purdue-dismisses-kelsey-barlow-suspends-dj-byrd-following-bar-incident (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7586637/purdue-dismisses-kelsey-barlow-suspends-dj-byrd-following-bar-incident)
http://www.theindychannel.com/sports/30482733/detail.html (http://www.theindychannel.com/sports/30482733/detail.html)
http://www.fox59.com/news/crime/wxin-dj-byrd-purdue-basketball-guard-arrested-on-public-intoxication-charge-20120217,0,5538021.column (http://www.fox59.com/news/crime/wxin-dj-byrd-purdue-basketball-guard-arrested-on-public-intoxication-charge-20120217,0,5538021.column)
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/02/purdue-dj-byrd-arrest-public-intoxication/1#.T6MAclJgowA (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/02/purdue-dj-byrd-arrest-public-intoxication/1#.T6MAclJgowA)
I'm not exactly sure why it's an issue, but I was a PR major, and it was a joke. A comically easy waste of time. All of the PR classes taught the exact same things that the intro to PR course taught. I have never, and never will, refer to my undergraduate as anything less than fake-college.
Don't get me wrong, it was a heck of a lot of fun. If I had wanted to I could have made a career in PR, but that had everything to do with the internships that I landed.
It is much easier to make academic all conference in the Big 10 than in the Big East just by virtue of there being fewer members in the conference.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 03, 2012, 02:10:40 PM
Is the Public Relations department still part of the school of Communications? You said you majored in PR so unless the PR Department moved to a different school, you graduated from the Communications school.
No bumper stickers on my vehicles about Purdue. No front page headline articles in the Chicago Tribune multiple times either.
Out of curiousity, where did I say I majored in PR? Can you please repost for me?
Quote from: jmayer1 on May 03, 2012, 05:06:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7586637/purdue-dismisses-kelsey-barlow-suspends-dj-byrd-following-bar-incident (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7586637/purdue-dismisses-kelsey-barlow-suspends-dj-byrd-following-bar-incident)
http://www.theindychannel.com/sports/30482733/detail.html (http://www.theindychannel.com/sports/30482733/detail.html)
http://www.fox59.com/news/crime/wxin-dj-byrd-purdue-basketball-guard-arrested-on-public-intoxication-charge-20120217,0,5538021.column (http://www.fox59.com/news/crime/wxin-dj-byrd-purdue-basketball-guard-arrested-on-public-intoxication-charge-20120217,0,5538021.column)
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/02/purdue-dj-byrd-arrest-public-intoxication/1#.T6MAclJgowA (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/02/purdue-dj-byrd-arrest-public-intoxication/1#.T6MAclJgowA)
Yes, and those players were kicked off the team. Those issues happen at MU, IU, PU, UK, KU, UCLA, fill in the blank. Not exactly in the same ball park as the treatment MU received front page of the Chicago Tribune twice. Nor did those incidents make the top stories in the news either.
Of course, there isn't a vast right wing conspiracy against PU in Indy like there is against MU in Milwaukee, so that explains it.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on May 03, 2012, 05:19:06 PM
It is much easier to make academic all conference in the Big 10 than in the Big East just by virtue of there being fewer members in the conference.
Incorrect. Making an all-academic team in a conference is not based on limited number of slots. That is the case to make it as a player, but not academically. You need a minimum GPA and a letter winner. There is no cap on the number of winners.
Criteria - same GPA in both conferencesTo be eligible for Academic All-Big Ten selection, student-athletes must be letterwinners who are in at least their second academic year at their institution and carry a cumulative grade point average (GPA) of 3.0 or higher.
To be eligible for the honor, a nominee must have competed in a BIG EAST-sponsored sport, attained a minimum grade-point average of 3.00 for the preceding academic year, and completed a minimum of two consecutive semesters or three consecutive quarters of academic work, with a total of 18 semester or 27 quarter credits, not including remedial courses.
Quote from: Ners on May 03, 2012, 05:40:53 PM
Out of curiousity, where did I say I majored in PR? Can you please repost for me?
Chicos was legendary for digging up personal info on posters and publishing it on Scoop. Just sayin'
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 03, 2012, 02:10:40 PM
No front page headline articles in the Chicago Tribune multiple times either.
False. The arrest of Byrd and the subsequent suspension/dismissal of Byrd/Barlow was front page news (not in the Chicago Tribune since it's isn't a regional school) on ESPN.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 04, 2012, 09:51:12 AM
Yes, and those players were kicked off the team. Those issues happen at MU, IU, PU, UK, KU, UCLA, fill in the blank. Not exactly in the same ball park as the treatment MU received front page of the Chicago Tribune twice. Nor did those incidents make the top stories in the news either. Of course, there isn't a vast right wing conspiracy against PU in Indy like there is against MU in Milwaukee, so that explains it.
False. Byrd was suspended 1 game and then resumed playing the next game. Of course, he was an academic all Big XX so maybe that makes up for it!!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/41901/dj-byrd (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/41901/dj-byrd)
Please let me know the next time a MU player is arrested (not just cited) and jailed.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 04, 2012, 10:04:47 AM
Chicos was legendary for digging up personal info on posters and publishing it on Scoop. Just sayin'
Indeed..further evidence Hoop and Chicos are one in the same. Funny I've never posted my major here, yet he knows I majored in PR? Hmm. How does Hoop even know who I am/my name to then go research me/my major?? Bizarre.
Quote from: Ners on May 04, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
Indeed..further evidence Hoop and Chicos are one in the same. Funny I've never posted my major here, yet he knows I majored in PR? Hmm. How does Hoop even know who I am/my name to then go research me/my major?? Bizarre.
He also loved the bolded and tealed font. Never seen anyone else do it.
Quote from: Ners on May 04, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
Indeed..further evidence Hoop and Chicos are one in the same. Funny I've never posted my major here, yet he knows I majored in PR? Hmm. How does Hoop even know who I am/my name to then go research me/my major?? Bizarre.
Yes, you did. I don't need to find it as it was confirmed for me as well. Last weekend you used real names of some posters here and one of them was more than excited to confirm for me you were a PR major. No shame.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 04, 2012, 02:21:14 PM
He also loved the bolded and tealed font. Never seen anyone else do it.
Really? Bold and Teal? ::) :o ::)
Quote from: jmayer1 on May 04, 2012, 11:45:34 AM
False. The arrest of Byrd and the subsequent suspension/dismissal of Byrd/Barlow was front page news (not in the Chicago Tribune since it's isn't a regional school) on ESPN.
False. Byrd was suspended 1 game and then resumed playing the next game. Of course, he was an academic all Big XX so maybe that makes up for it!!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/41901/dj-byrd (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/41901/dj-byrd)
Please let me know the next time a MU player is arrested (not just cited) and jailed.
I didn't read your links, thought you were going back to the days of Corey Spates and others that were dismissed. Yes, Byrd was suspended. Barlow kicked off. The front page of ESPN was achieved by MU on multiple occasions in the last 12 months for off the court behavior as well. No one was dismissed by MU.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 04, 2012, 11:27:31 PM
Really? Bold and Teal? ::) :o ::)
Absolutely. Never seen anybody use it on here besides you.
And the faces are back! ::)
It's weird, I seem to remember some dude who hasn't posted here in months that couldn't figure out how to quote multiple posts in the same response. He would commonly hijack threads by replying to 6 different posts with 6 different posts of his own. I can't recall his name, but that is another thing I have only ever seen, well, you do on here. Same with bringing back month-old threads to push your own agenda about how great of an institution Indiana (and now Purdue) is and how we should aspire to be like them, with all those B1G All-Academic players!
If you won't admit that you are Mr. Chicksbailbondswoman, can you at least admit that in your friendly Facebook chats he types up responses down to the font for you to copy and paste for him? I get it, he's a great guy with super cool connections so he can get free theme park tickets to offer to great Marquette pals all while offering him a beer or 14 in his back yard! What a great dude.
In all honesty, no offense to all you Scoop dudes (and chicas) out there, you're all Warrior fans so you're cool in my book and I'm sure you're great people, but I have absolutely, positively ZERO interest in finding you and adding you on Facebook, going to your back yard for some beerz, or even grabbing some free Six Flagz ticketz off of you. Maybe it's just me, but MAN that is weird. Hoop, I hope you're not FB stalking me and trying to determine if I'm cool enough to add and/or have access to anything free you may be interested in. You're getting a Deny Friend Request. Sorry buddy.
Quote from: Ners on May 04, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
Indeed..further evidence Hoop and Chicos are one in the same. Funny I've never posted my major here, yet he knows I majored in PR? Hmm. How does Hoop even know who I am/my name to then go research me/my major?? Bizarre.
"[Ners] Couple that with your inability to ever let anything go, and your stalker like behavior following posters from thread to thread attacking them, and this place has become downright unreadable since you became a member. Chicos and 84 weren't the problem, you turned them into one. If you had never joined, they'd still be here as the same thing they'd always been...occasionally annoying, but unlike yourself never actually malicious....and as a result I'd still be here. Make sense? Clear enough for you? Maybe next time you'll stay away from trying to explain my decisions?"
BMA725 http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=28095.msg324636#msg324636
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 04, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
"[Ners] Couple that with your inability to ever let anything go, and your stalker like behavior following posters from thread to thread attacking them, and this place has become downright unreadable since you became a member. Chicos and 84 weren't the problem, you turned them into one. If you had never joined, they'd still be here as the same thing they'd always been...occasionally annoying, but unlike yourself never actually malicious....and as a result I'd still be here. Make sense? Clear enough for you? Maybe next time you'll stay away from trying to explain my decisions?"
BMA725 http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=28095.msg324636#msg324636
2 things...first, odd that you go to bma as your ammo against Ners since he was pretty much gone by the time you joined the site, and second, that post does nothing to describe why you know Ners' major.
I'm a neutral in all this, just thought that stood out a bit.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 04, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
Absolutely. Never seen anybody use it on here besides you.
And the faces are back! ::)
It's weird, I seem to remember some dude who hasn't posted here in months that couldn't figure out how to quote multiple posts in the same response. He would commonly hijack threads by replying to 6 different posts with 6 different posts of his own. I can't recall his name, but that is another thing I have only ever seen, well, you do on here. Same with bringing back month-old threads to push your own agenda about how great of an institution Indiana (and now Purdue) is and how we should aspire to be like them, with all those B1G All-Academic players!
If you won't admit that you are Mr. Chicksbailbondswoman, can you at least admit that in your friendly Facebook chats he types up responses down to the font for you to copy and paste for him? I get it, he's a great guy with super cool connections so he can get free theme park tickets to offer to great Marquette pals all while offering him a beer or 14 in his back yard! What a great dude.
In all honesty, no offense to all you Scoop dudes (and chicas) out there, you're all Warrior fans so you're cool in my book and I'm sure you're great people, but I have absolutely, positively ZERO interest in finding you and adding you on Facebook, going to your back yard for some beerz, or even grabbing some free Six Flagz ticketz off of you. Maybe it's just me, but MAN that is weird. Hoop, I hope you're not FB stalking me and trying to determine if I'm cool enough to add and/or have access to anything free you may be interested in. You're getting a Deny Friend Request. Sorry buddy.
Why do you think I put the faces there? To get you riled up. It was a joke.
He has never typed up anything for me to say. No cut and paste jobs there. Sorry buddy. There are a few guys that have been more than willing to email me on occasion, including this week about Ners. They do not like the guy, that is certain and confirmed he said he was a PR major as he had stated. Cannot find the post but then posts disappear around here.
That is fine that you don't want to interact with other fans. I am not reaching out to you and never have, via Facebook or anything else. Some of us here at MUScoop are friends, however, because we went to Marquette at the same time or through other associations, most notably our love for Marquette basketball. It is clear that some of you are very insecure about this and even throw around homophobic commentary at the mere idea that two MU fans can meet sight unseen. I find that beyond weird that this bothers you so much. None of you have ever taken a business meeting before site unseen?
I would invite most MU fans into my home and others I have come into contact with have done the same on their side. That is good manners and neighborly, that is how we were brought up. We never locked the doors, everyone was neighborly with everyone.
If I use teal, normally I do not bold it. Sometimes for emphasis. In the future, since it upsets you, maybe its bold all the time. Whether others have ever bolded it I do not care nor concern myself with.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 05, 2012, 06:50:47 AM
2 things...first, odd that you go to bma as your ammo against Ners since he was pretty much gone by the time you joined the site, and second, that post does nothing to describe why you know Ners' major.
I'm a neutral in all this, just thought that stood out a bit.
There are posters here that believe no one has left because of their actions, including some quality posters. Unfortunately that is not the case.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 05, 2012, 10:47:48 AM
Why do you think I put the faces there? To get you riled up. It was a joke.
He has never typed up anything for me to say. No cut and paste jobs there. Sorry buddy. There are a few guys that have been more than willing to email me on occasion, including this week about Ners. They do not like the guy, that is certain and confirmed he said he was a PR major as he had stated. Cannot find the post but then posts disappear around here.
That is fine that you don't want to interact with other fans. I am not reaching out to you and never have, via Facebook or anything else. Some of us here at MUScoop are friends, however, because we went to Marquette at the same time or through other associations, most notably our love for Marquette basketball. It is clear that some of you are very insecure about this and even throw around homophobic commentary at the mere idea that two MU fans can meet sight unseen. I find that beyond weird that this bothers you so much. None of you have ever taken a business meeting before site unseen?
I would invite most MU fans into my home and others I have come into contact with have done the same on their side. That is good manners and neighborly, that is how we were brought up. We never locked the doors, everyone was neighborly with everyone.
If I use teal, normally I do not bold it. Sometimes for emphasis. In the future, since it upsets you, maybe its bold all the time. Whether others have ever bolded it I do not care nor concern myself with.
Good to have you back, Bail Bondsman!
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 05, 2012, 10:47:48 AM
He has never typed up anything for me to say. No cut and paste jobs there. Sorry buddy. There are a few guys that have been more than willing to email me on occasion, including this week about Ners. They do not like the guy, that is certain and confirmed he said he was a PR major as he had stated. Cannot find the post but then posts disappear around here.
Dude - You are pathological...I may not be well liked here by some, but I do not lie about my identity, cyber stalk people, go to God know's what lengths to determine someone's identity, create an account using all kinds of roaming IP addresses (or whatever it is you do to be able to post here). I've never posted my major here, not shared with anyone...not that I care...but the reality is, is that you know who I am, because you are Chicos. You are the master of searching through threads, yet you cannot find where I posted my PR major - and now blame it on "posts disappearing around here?" You know why you couldn't find it?? Because I never posted it. Period. Must suck to have to try to find a way/excuse out of every lie you write on this board.
I truly am to the point of having pity and compassion for you. Living a lie is no way to live at all, and lies are the foundation of what leads to mental illness. Just let it go and acknowledge you: Have an allegiance and appreciation for Tom Crean, Indiana and Purdue above and beyond that which you have for MU and Buzz Williams.....which it TOTALLY fine!! Just knock it off with the passive aggressive swipes at MU and Buzz...and in the process do yourself a huge mental health favor. The truth shall set you free. Be liberated Chicos. Jesus!!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 04, 2012, 10:04:47 AM
Chicos was legendary for digging up personal info on posters and publishing it on Scoop. Just sayin'
So is Ners. He did it last week using personal information about a former poster here until the mods deleted it. Just sayin'
Quote from: Ners on May 05, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
You are the master of searching through threads, yet you cannot find where I posted my PR major - and now blame it on "posts disappearing around here?"
Last week you used the last name of a former poster here. It was only 6 days ago. Go ahead and search and find it.
Where is it?
Haven't found it yet?
You mean it disappeared?
It doesn't exist? Why? Because the post was removed. You said you were a PR major back during the whole sexual assault investigation when people here were cracking wise about MU's PR attempts. That is when you said it. There are a number of posts from then that were deleted.
Like I said, find that post you made last weekend that was deleted. Why can't you turn it up? Because posts that are deleted are gone from the search function. A number of your other posts were deleted last weekend as well, none of those are searchable either.
Keep trying. Liberate yourself
Maybe this would be better handled over PM, boys.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 05, 2012, 01:04:45 PM
Maybe this would be better handled over PM, boys.
+1
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 05, 2012, 01:04:45 PM
Maybe this would be better handled over PM, boys.
Chicos would still be here if he followed that advice.
Quote from: Ners on May 05, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
Dude - You are pathological... go to God know's what lengths to determine someone's identity
Of everything I have seen and heard from Chicos I attributed to him being a really strange person. But if this is true - that he goes to lengths to establish the actual identity of others - then he is really, really sick in a creepy way. Hope the Effer gets some professional help.
And I clicked on this thread to get an update on a recruit, but this is a page of nonsense. Maybe we need a board to discuss Hoopaloop or whomever.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 04, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
Absolutely. Never seen anybody use it on here besides you.
And the faces are back! ::)
It's weird, I seem to remember some dude who hasn't posted here in months that couldn't figure out how to quote multiple posts in the same response. He would commonly hijack threads by replying to 6 different posts with 6 different posts of his own. I can't recall his name, but that is another thing I have only ever seen, well, you do on here. Same with bringing back month-old threads to push your own agenda about how great of an institution Indiana (and now Purdue) is and how we should aspire to be like them, with all those B1G All-Academic players!
If you won't admit that you are Mr. Chicksbailbondswoman, can you at least admit that in your friendly Facebook chats he types up responses down to the font for you to copy and paste for him? I get it, he's a great guy with super cool connections so he can get free theme park tickets to offer to great Marquette pals all while offering him a beer or 14 in his back yard! What a great dude.
In all honesty, no offense to all you Scoop dudes (and chicas) out there, you're all Warrior fans so you're cool in my book and I'm sure you're great people, but I have absolutely, positively ZERO interest in finding you and adding you on Facebook, going to your back yard for some beerz, or even grabbing some free Six Flagz ticketz off of you. Maybe it's just me, but MAN that is weird. Hoop, I hope you're not FB stalking me and trying to determine if I'm cool enough to add and/or have access to anything free you may be interested in. You're getting a Deny Friend Request. Sorry buddy.
How DO you do that?
Quote from: GOO on May 05, 2012, 08:42:09 PM
And I clicked on this thread to get an update on a recruit, but this is a page of nonsense. Maybe we need a board to discuss Hoopaloop or whomever.
Same. 1st time back at scoop since the tourney loss... and only to stumble upon something more embarrassing and depressing.
....so how's about those MU 2015 Nat'l Championship hopes?
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on May 05, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
Same. 1st time back at scoop since the tourney loss... and only to stumble upon something more embarrassing and depressing.
....so how's about those MU 2015 Nat'l Championship hopes?
What a sense of entitlement
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on May 05, 2012, 09:52:44 PM
How DO you do that?
Quote the first one you want, then scroll down and use "insert quote" on other quotes you want. The downside is you can only go back 20 or so quotes.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 05, 2012, 01:03:36 PM
Last week you used the last name of a former poster here. It was only 6 days ago. Go ahead and search and find it.
Where is it?
Haven't found it yet?
You mean it disappeared?
It doesn't exist? Why? Because the post was removed. You said you were a PR major back during the whole sexual assault investigation when people here were cracking wise about MU's PR attempts. That is when you said it. There are a number of posts from then that were deleted.
Like I said, find that post you made last weekend that was deleted. Why can't you turn it up? Because posts that are deleted are gone from the search function. A number of your other posts were deleted last weekend as well, none of those are searchable either.
Keep trying. Liberate yourself
Apparently, you need to be more careful.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 05, 2012, 01:04:45 PM
Maybe this would be better handled over PM, boys.
Is PM some kind of orange county microbrew?