http://espn.go.com/blog/high-school/boys-basketball/post/_/id/4620/jbc-stars-reveal-their-no-2-schools
This board will not be happy with Tokoto's response. :)
Edit Added the smiley so we don't cause any aneurisms.
I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone and who cares about second place anyway?
Why not? No one here thought for a very long time that MU had a shot at JP. Buzz and the program somehow have managed to survive.
We weren't Jamil's second, or even third place school to start.
After Tokoto averages 4 minutes a game this coming season, and UNC reloads with a bunch of one and dones this fall, do we think he transfers to UW?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 15, 2012, 09:34:37 AM
After Tokoto averages 4 minutes a game this coming season, and UNC reloads with a bunch of one and dones this fall, do we think he transfers to UW?
Good luck with that. Check out their sholarship players and tell me how many players played 4 mpg. Not to mention there's a ton of PT to be had there. They push tempo more than any other team (including Marquette) and sub guys 1-10 a ton. He doesn't have to be one of the best players there to see the court. It's not like Marquette where if you're not in the top 7 you're never playing. The best player will see about 30 mpg and the "bench warmer" will see 12. JP will get 12-15 as a freshman. Pretty darn good. Their team and tempo is absolutely perfect for his game. He won't need to knock down outside shots. He'll need to dribble the ball and dunk the ball. He can certainly dunk the ball.
Some people here are like little babies. "We weren't even 2nd place for him!" Shucks. All that matters is we weren't first. Then you have guys who, because he chose somewhere other than Marquette, he'll either have his talents hidden by Bo and suck at UW or he'll be overmatched and never find time where he chooses. If he chose Marquette we'd be having a circle jerk over the kid's athleticism and potential, saying how early he'd be leaving for the NBA, and how special of a player he'd be for MU, how he'll be right up there with Wade, etc. Now he's a scrub because he goes to UNC? What does that say about MU then?
I guess Hoop was wrong, nobody soiled their pants in the Sweet 16 game last year against UNC. In fact, it's a miracle we were even within 14 in the 2nd half. Guys who would be special at MU can't even see 5 mpg at UNC.
What a joke.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 15, 2012, 09:27:19 AM
We weren't Jamil's second, or even third place school to start.
This couldn't be more false. At one point Wilson and his dad had scheduled a meeting to tell Buzz of his intent to play there. Then he had second thoughts. We were always at the top of the list.
Quote from: shaquilvaine on April 15, 2012, 09:55:06 AM
This couldn't be more false. At one point Wilson and his dad had scheduled a meeting to tell Buzz of his intent to play there. Then he had second thoughts. We were always at the top of the list.
His two other finalists just before he chose Oregon were Texas and MSU. So it isn't false.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 15, 2012, 09:54:55 AMSome people here are like little babies...nobody soiled their pants in the Sweet 16 game last year against UNC...what a joke.
Whoa.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 15, 2012, 09:54:55 AM
Good luck with that.
Only repeating what I read on the UNC boards. Right now they have Tokoto penciled in as the last (scholarship) guy on the bench.
Leslie McDonald, Reggie Bullock and P.J. Hairston are ahead of him.
James McAdoo and Dexter Strickland will take time away from him.
He will play about as much for UNC and Jamil Jones plays for us.
Then when they sign four more burger boys this fall, how much will his PT go up his sophomore year?
Quote from: tower912 on April 15, 2012, 09:23:23 AM
Why not? No one here thought for a very long time that MU had a shot at JP. Buzz and the program somehow have managed to survive.
The Tokoto era has not even started yet, so how do you know we survived?
Honestly, UW was always going to be second for JPT, but they were NEVER going to be first. Saying Wisconsin as #2 is the diplomatic response that satisfies 80% of the state. But I guarantee he would have went to Duke, Kansas, or even Marquette before he went to UW simply because of his emphasis on playing style, which UW is the opposite of what he wanted. Had he picked Duke, he'd say UW was #2. Had he picked Kansas, he'd say UW was #2. But if he ever transfers, I would crap myself if he transfers to his "#2", he'll go somewhere else that plays up-tempo.
UW will always be JPT's #2, and will never rise above that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 15, 2012, 02:35:27 PM
Honestly, UW was always going to be second for JPT, but they were NEVER going to be first. Saying Wisconsin as #2 is the diplomatic response that satisfies 80% of the state. But I guarantee he would have went to Duke, Kansas, or even Marquette before he went to UW simply because of his emphasis on playing style, which UW is the opposite of what he wanted. Had he picked Duke, he'd say UW was #2. Had he picked Kansas, he'd say UW was #2. But if he ever transfers, I would crap myself if he transfers to his "#2", he'll go somewhere else that plays up-tempo.
UW will always be JPT's #2, and will never rise above that.
Yeah, that would be my take as well.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 15, 2012, 09:34:37 AM
After Tokoto averages 4 minutes a game this coming season, and UNC reloads with a bunch of one and dones this fall, do we think he transfers to UW?
He will do fine there. I wish we got Dekker. Rated 13th in the 2012 class, he is a stud but MU wasn't on his list anywhere either.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 15, 2012, 09:54:55 AM
I guess Hoop was wrong, nobody soiled their pants in the Sweet 16 game last year against UNC. In fact, it's a miracle we were even within 14 in the 2nd half. Guys who would be special at MU can't even see 5 mpg at UNC.
What a joke.
Soiled our pants? No.
"We peed down our leg", Jae Crowder talking about 2011 NCAA tournament game against North Carolina
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7704025/ncaa-tournament-2012-marquette-golden-eagles-head-sweet-16-back-their-relentless-style
ZFB: Depaul.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 15, 2012, 09:59:03 AM
His two other finalists just before he chose Oregon were Texas and MSU. So it isn't false.
The Wilson recruitment is actually an interesting one. He was leaning MU but nonfamily influences were swaying him elsewhere. I'm told Buzz's 1st recruiting call was regarding Wilson. Buzz needed to rebuild the roster quickly. Several months later Buzz said Wilson either had to take the scholly or leave it. I'm told Wilson was on his way to the Al to tell Buzz he was going to take it. He never mAde it to the meeting and I'm not sure why. At that point I'm told Buzz pulled the offer. Call it what you want, but he was a hell of a lot closer to picking MU than MSU or Texas. Eventually he realized he should've ignored those outside influences and went with his heart. Thus he is at MU
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 15, 2012, 03:22:59 PM
He will do fine there. I wish we got Dekker. Rated 13th in the 2012 class, he is a stud but MU wasn't on his list anywhere either.
i've watched dekker play a lot of basketball. i think he made the right choice to go to UW for college succes. he's perfect for bo's system...will be interesting to see if he's able to get to the rim in college...if not, he's a slightly shorter version of novak.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 15, 2012, 09:54:55 AM
Some people here are like little babies. "We weren't even 2nd place for him!" Shucks. All that matters is we weren't first.
"If you're not first, you're last!" - Reese Bobby
Quote from: shaquilvaine on April 15, 2012, 07:26:15 PM
The Wilson recruitment is actually an interesting one. He was leaning MU but nonfamily influences were swaying him elsewhere. I'm told Buzz's 1st recruiting call was regarding Wilson. Buzz needed to rebuild the roster quickly. Several months later Buzz said Wilson either had to take the scholly or leave it. I'm told Wilson was on his way to the Al to tell Buzz he was going to take it. He never mAde it to the meeting and I'm not sure why. At that point I'm told Buzz pulled the offer. Call it what you want, but he was a hell of a lot closer to picking MU than MSU or Texas. Eventually he realized he should've ignored those outside influences and went with his heart. Thus he is at MU
My point is if you asked Jamil the same question that JPT the April before he went to school, it wouldn't have been "Marquette."
And I believe he was late because he was playing in a volleyball tournament.
Wrong Avid1010--Dekker could play Big East BB. He can handle the rock and shoot it. Also, not noticeable, HE CAN PLAY "D".
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 15, 2012, 02:35:27 PM
Honestly, UW was always going to be second for JPT, but they were NEVER going to be first. Saying Wisconsin as #2 is the diplomatic response that satisfies 80% of the state. But I guarantee he would have went to Duke, Kansas, or even Marquette before he went to UW simply because of his emphasis on playing style, which UW is the opposite of what he wanted. Had he picked Duke, he'd say UW was #2. Had he picked Kansas, he'd say UW was #2. But if he ever transfers, I would crap myself if he transfers to his "#2", he'll go somewhere else that plays up-tempo.
UW will always be JPT's #2, and will never rise above that.
EXACTLY!
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 15, 2012, 03:22:59 PM
He will do fine there. I wish we got Dekker. Rated 13th in the 2012 class, he is a stud but MU wasn't on his list anywhere either.
I beg to differ. I wish we got Mitch McGary. MU was even on his list somewhere, at sometime.
As an MU fan, why should I be angry? WE'RE NOT THE BRIDESMAID! ;)
This program is looking for boys who want to become men.
And in some cases, men who want to become The Man.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 15, 2012, 03:26:58 PM
Soiled our pants? No.
"We peed down our leg", Jae Crowder talking about 2011 NCAA tournament game against North Carolina
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7704025/ncaa-tournament-2012-marquette-golden-eagles-head-sweet-16-back-their-relentless-style
If Jae wants to say it, fine. He's earned that right. When you and your little buddy go there, not so much.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 15, 2012, 02:35:27 PM
Honestly, UW was always going to be second for JPT, but they were NEVER going to be first. Saying Wisconsin as #2 is the diplomatic response that satisfies 80% of the state. But I guarantee he would have went to Duke, Kansas, or even Marquette before he went to UW simply because of his emphasis on playing style, which UW is the opposite of what he wanted. Had he picked Duke, he'd say UW was #2. Had he picked Kansas, he'd say UW was #2. But if he ever transfers, I would crap myself if he transfers to his "#2", he'll go somewhere else that plays up-tempo.
UW will always be JPT's #2, and will never rise above that.
+ 1000
So lets all just talk s*** and rip on a kid by saying he wont play at all out of bitterness that he didn't come here. He comes to MU, everyone would go crazy. He goes elsewhere, he wont play and will ride the bench for 2 or 3 years. the logic some of you people have is just unbelievable.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on April 15, 2012, 09:09:40 PM
Wrong Avid1010--Dekker could play Big East BB. He can handle the rock and shoot it. Also, not noticeable, HE CAN PLAY "D".
i watched both dekker and novak a lot in high school. novak ran the point at Brown Deer often. if you think dekker is going to get to the rim next year, i'd beg to differ, but it's hard to tell what kids will do in Bo's system. right now he's not strong enough to play D against guys his size in the BEAST...not many kids are. i think he'll be a very good player for UW, but i don't believe he'd be an impact player for MU next year. i don't think you can say i'm wrong...only time will tell...and it's certainly a guess as predicting what freshmen will do is near impossible.
Quote from: furrious9 on April 16, 2012, 10:26:31 AM
So lets all just talk s*** and rip on a kid by saying he wont play at all out of bitterness that he didn't come here. He comes to MU, everyone would go crazy. He goes elsewhere, he wont play and will ride the bench for 2 or 3 years. the logic some of you people have is just unbelievable.
You forgot transfers. Every transfer out of Marquette would never have played a minute anyway and couldn't score to save his life.
Quote from: furrious9 on April 16, 2012, 10:26:31 AM
So lets all just talk s*** and rip on a kid by saying he wont play at all out of bitterness that he didn't come here. He comes to MU, everyone would go crazy. He goes elsewhere, he wont play and will ride the bench for 2 or 3 years. the logic some of you people have is just unbelievable.
Doesn't logic say a kid would get more playing time on a team with top 100 talent compared to a team full of McD AAs? Yes, people would go crazy if he came here, but that doesn't take away from the competition he'll face at UNC.
Quote from: warrior07 on April 16, 2012, 10:37:40 AM
You forgot transfers. Every transfer out of Marquette would never have played a minute anyway and couldn't score to save his life.
Who said this? Maymon and Smith were in the rotation as freshmen and were part of the future. Mboa and Roseboro were in over their heads. Erik Williams was somewhere in between.
Sorry Avid 1010----- I should have said Dekker will be a factor at MU in time.
Near end of Soph year. I agree he needs to gets stronger to play in the BE.
But, he does have the talent to play in BUZZ's system.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 16, 2012, 10:44:31 AM
Doesn't logic say a kid would get more playing time on a team with top 100 talent compared to a team full of McD AAs? Yes, people would go crazy if he came here, but that doesn't take away from the competition he'll face at UNC.
Not necessarily. Marquette plays 7 guys and has for the last however many years. UNC plays 10 guys (when healthy, and even when not healthy it's just "next one in"). So if Marquette's 8th best player would be #10 at UNC, he'd definitely be playing more at UNC.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
Not necessarily. Marquette plays 7 guys and has for the last however many years. UNC plays 10 guys (when healthy, and even when not healthy it's just "next one in"). So if Marquette's 8th best player would be #10 at UNC, he'd definitely be playing more at UNC.
You're assuming that Buzz plays seven guys because that's his preference, rather than that's what he feels gives the team the best chance to win given the talent level and development of the rest of the team. I disagree. If Buzz had a player that "the other Williams" was willing to play as a part of his rotation at UNC, that kid would be in MU's rotation, guaranteed. At least until that time when MU consistently recruits as well as UNC.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 16, 2012, 11:06:10 AM
Who said this? Maymon and Smith were in the rotation as freshmen and were part of the future. Mboa and Roseboro were in over their heads. Erik Williams was somewhere in between.
FWIW - Reggie Smith was brought in by former Rebel coach Lon Kruger. Current coach Dave Rice has recruited some great talent and it will be a challenge for Smith to get some playing time in the future.
Quote from: mu77vegas on April 16, 2012, 12:12:13 PM
FWIW - Reggie Smith was brought in by former Rebel coach Lon Kruger. Current coach Dave Rice has recruited some great talent and it will be a challenge for Smith to get some playing time in the future.
Reggie only averaged 6 minutes a game including a total of only 7 minutes ( incl 2 DNPs ) over the UNLVs final 6 games.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 16, 2012, 09:13:01 AM
If Jae wants to say it, fine. He's earned that right. When you and your little buddy go there, not so much.
Fans cannot talk about what they see? You're never going to comment again about the Bears, Marquette, the US Hockey team or anything else because you aren't out there playing and earned the right?
It's a free country and a message board, this is what fans do. We, as fans, have every right to say it and you have every right to ignore it.
Agree Tokoto had UW as second choice for politically correct reasons. He knows the pecking order in the state and saying UW was second was smart PR. He had little chance of ever going there and if ever transfers back to WI school I would bet the ranch on MU. His skill set is perfect fit at MU and he knows the players well. I really hope the kid does well at UNC because he is following dream. Cannot fault anyone for following a dream.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 16, 2012, 05:06:34 PM
Fans cannot talk about what they see? You're never going to comment again about the Bears, Marquette, the US Hockey team or anything else because you aren't out there playing and earned the right?
It's a free country and a message board, this is what fans do. We, as fans, have every right to say it and you have every right to ignore it.
Of course you have the "right" to say that the guys representing your university choke or pee themselves. You have the "right" to say all kinds of despicable things. Rather than exercising my right to ignore it, though, I choose my "right" to say only an a$$&%@# would talk like that.