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Rothstein: Marquette emerging as landing spot for transfer Lockett
Written by: Mark Strotman
According to CBS Sports’ Jon Rothstein, Marquette has emerged as the front runner for Arizona State transfer Trent Lockett. Lockett, a 6-foot-4 shooting guard, was granted his release from Arizona State last week. The junior is looking to transfer closer … Continue reading → (http://painttouches.com/2012/04/10/rothstein-marquette-emerging-as-landing-spot-for-transfer-lockett/)
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Rothstein: Marquette ‘emerging as landing spot’ for transfer Lockett
Written by: Mark Strotman
According to CBS Sports’ Jon Rothstein, Marquette has emerged as the front runner for Arizona State transfer Trent Lockett. Lockett, a 6-foot-4 shooting guard, was granted his release from Arizona State last week. The junior is looking to transfer closer … Continue reading → (http://painttouches.com/2012/04/10/rothstein-marquette-emerging-as-landing-spot-for-transfer-lockett/)
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Would be a huge get imo. Proven player that can make an immediate impact.
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Seems like a perfect match to me...I'd LOVE to have him on board!
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"His special circumstance, wanting to play closer to home because of his mother’s illness, would also help his chances to play right away as well."
Can someone help me with this one. How would his desire to play closer to his ailing mother help his chances to play right away? Thanks.
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"His special circumstance, wanting to play closer to home because of his mother’s illness, would also help his chances to play right away as well."
Can someone help me with this one. How would his desire to play closer to his ailing mother help his chances to play right away? Thanks.
I think it's the fact that he will graduate this spring which will let him play right away, but he'd have to go for an advanced degree with ASU doesn't offer to do so. Masters in Theology here he comes.
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"His special circumstance, wanting to play closer to home because of his mother’s illness, would also help his chances to play right away as well."
Can someone help me with this one. How would his desire to play closer to his ailing mother help his chances to play right away? Thanks.
I think that I've heard of 'special circumstances' transfers not needing to sit out before. I can't quote the rule on it, but I'm fairly certain it's happened before. Probably a sick close family member would qualify.
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95% sure Jamil went for a family hardship waiver, but was not granted.
Will really depend on the circumstances.
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If he graduates from ASU and enrolls in grad school at MU the waiver won't matter.
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Let me also add that apparently the basketball banquet is Wednesday (tonight.) If that is the case, we may hear of a transfer out later this week or next if there is one. Erik Williams didn't announce his until early May last year though.
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Would have to think that one or more transfers look likely. We will know in next several weeks but I am now leaning heavily that transfer will happen.
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thanks strotty, keep us posted...
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Would have to think that one or more transfers look likely. We will know in next several weeks but I am now leaning heavily that transfer will happen.
Is there any smoke that would leave you to believe this? Because at this point on the surface a verbal or signed player not coming to MU is just as likely to happen as a transfer
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Only smoke to me would us leading school on a kid looking to transfer for next season.
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Let me also add that apparently the basketball banquet is Wednesday (tonight.) If that is the case, we may hear of a transfer out later this week or next if there is one. Erik Williams didn't announce his until early May last year though.
I think MU will not release a player until the semester is completed, so do not expect to here anything before that.
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Mark mentions three possibilities that would open up a spot for Lockett - transfer of one of our current players, one of our signed newcomers not arriving or one of our current players not making it academically. I'm okay with A or B but C would trouble me.
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Guessing that there will be a transfer out of the program isn't exactly an earth shattering prediction.
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Guessing that there will be a transfer out of the program isn't exactly an earth shattering prediction.
My only question is who that transfer might be. There's no guarantee that it'd be someone looking for more PT. Possibly a projected starter or major contributor might not be as happy as we hope, or a guy could be encouraged to look elsewhere to alleviate off-court issues. Who knows what might lead to a transfer?
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My only question is who that transfer might be. There's no guarantee that it'd be someone looking for more PT. Possibly a projected starter or major contributor might not be as happy as we hope, or a guy could be encouraged to look elsewhere to alleviate off-court issues. Who knows what might lead to a transfer?
I thought as a fire fighter, you try to put them out, not get them going. ;)
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Would have to think that one or more transfers look likely. We will know in next several weeks but I am now leaning heavily that transfer will happen.
Yep. They're being mentioned with too many transfers and 2013 recruits for there not to be. Buzz is obviously still recruiting for those spots, so I'm guessing at least one opens up.
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Apparently none of you people watched the last Buzz Williams show of the season??
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Apparently none of you people watched the last Buzz Williams show of the season??
I missed it. I don't live in Milwaukee. Fill me in please Dimes.
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I haven't seen this kid, but his profile and stats suggest he has attributes that could greatly benefit our team next year.
He is an all-around player who fills up a box score very nicely, a la Jae or Vander. And very encouraging is the way his 3-point pct has increased dramatically from freshman to soph to junior years. That suggests he has a nice outside shot (which we desperately need) and that he is willing to work to make it better.
Sounds like if he chooses MU, it's a no-brainer. All kinds of ways to open a scholarship. My personal fave based on info that we know would be convincing Durley to go to some kind of prep school, but there are plenty of other options.
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I missed it. I don't live in Milwaukee. Fill me in please Dimes.
He mentioned Durley and something about how him and Otule's sixth year, but I thought that comment could be interpreted multiple ways.
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I missed it. I don't live in Milwaukee. Fill me in please Dimes.
Guessing what CD is referring to is that Buzz largely said that because of Otule's 6th year, Durley's situation changed. He didn't say how it would play out, but it definitely sounded like Durley coming here was no longer as automatic as it was back in December before CO's injury.
If Durley goes prep or JUCO, that would open up one scholarship for 2012-13, which could be filled by a one-year transfer like Lockett, giving us 13 scholarship players for that year. And while Otule would keep his scholarship for 2012-13, Cadougan and Lockett would both matriculate, which would open up the scholarships for Deonte Burton and Duane Wilson, meaning we are right on track with scholarships for 2013-14 as well. It would also set us up for a 5-man recruiting class in 2014.
Of course, it's all speculation right now, but if any of our 2012 recruits didn't end up here, it would solve all the oversigning issues people seem to be worried about. And Buzz's comments seemed to indicate Durley would be the most likely recruit to fit that scenario.
The problem this creates, however, is no open scholarships for 2013 and both Otule and Gardner graduating at the end of 2014, meaning we would have no players bigger than 6'8" going into the 2014-15 year, other that potential new recruits. That's a long way off, but it seems like the plan was to have Durley in place to take over the center role as a junior that year.
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Guessing what CD is referring to is that Buzz largely said that because of Otule's 6th year, Durley's situation changed. He didn't say how it would play out, but it definitely sounded like Durley coming here was no longer as automatic as it was back in December before CO's injury.
If Durley goes prep or JUCO, that would open up one scholarship for 2012-13, which could be filled by a one-year transfer like Lockett, giving us 13 scholarship players for that year. And while Otule would keep his scholarship for 2012-13, Cadougan and Lockett would both matriculate, which would open up the scholarships for Deonte Burton and Duane Wilson, meaning we are right on track with scholarships for 2013-14 as well. It would also set us up for a 5-man recruiting class in 2014.
Of course, it's all speculation right now, but if any of our 2012 recruits didn't end up here, it would solve all the oversigning issues people seem to be worried about. And Buzz's comments seemed to indicate Durley would be the most likely recruit to fit that scenario.
The problem this creates, however, is no open scholarships for 2013 and both Otule and Gardner graduating at the end of 2014, meaning we would have no players bigger than 6'8" going into the 2014-15 year, other that potential new recruits. That's a long way off, but it seems like the plan was to have Durley in place to take over the center role as a junior that year.
How about if Durley goes prep one year, then JUCO one year as a full qualifier and joins us in the fall of 2014 with three years of eligibility left and two more years of development under his belt? That seamlessly covers the height issue losing Otule & Gardner. Then Lockett takes a one year scholly this year as a scoring band aid, and the numbers crunch with Burton and DWilson#2 is solved in 2013 as well. If only things ever worked out so perfectly...
Or Buzz could just adopt someone on the current roster. That's still an option right?
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I missed it. I don't live in Milwaukee. Fill me in please Dimes.
Durley is likely out, something several of us said 6 months ago. 4ever, myself and a few others. You can imagine the polite reception we got when we said it then and to see it now come true makes all the sticks and stones worth it. :P
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Durley is likely out, something several of us said 6 months ago. 4ever, myself and a few others. You can imagine the polite reception we got when we said it then and to see it now come true makes all the sticks and stones worth it. :P
Ever the victim.
In what thread did you make this prediction...that you claim has "come true" even though it hasn't?
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Durley is likely out, something several of us said 6 months ago. 4ever, myself and a few others. You can imagine the polite reception we got when we said it then and to see it now come true makes all the sticks and stones worth it. :P
In 2007, I correctly predicted all 33 of Alfonso Soriano's homeruns. Granted, I was wrong over 600 times but getting 33 right is impressive nonetheless, no?
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Durley is likely out, something several of us said 6 months ago. 4ever, myself and a few others. You can imagine the polite reception we got when we said it then and to see it now come true makes all the sticks and stones worth it. :P
But 6 months ago, CO wasn't out for 80% of the year. If not for that injury, I've little doubt Durley's situation would be simple -- he'd be enrolling in Fall. May still happen, but if it doesn't, I feel confident that it's the CO injury and not any fault of Durley's that he doesn't get here come August.
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I missed it. I don't live in Milwaukee. Fill me in please Dimes.
as an aside I dont live in Milwaukee either. But try to watch all the Buzz Willimas shows. They are posted on the Mu athletic site or on MUATLETICS page on you tube...post game press conferences, media dates, etc. good stuff
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Ever the victim.
In what thread did you make this prediction...that you claim has "come true" even though it hasn't?
My guess is if you search under "chicos bail bonds" u would probably find it. :o
oops another slip up for the forums psychopath
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http://www.gomarquette.com/allaccess/
here is the show....buzzs response seemed pretty clear to me without coming right out and stating it.
about the 16:15 mark
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Durley is likely out, something several of us said 6 months ago. 4ever, myself and a few others. You can imagine the polite reception we got when we said it then and to see it now come true makes all the sticks and stones worth it. :P
Where/when did you state this? I see where you stated you were dissappointed in our pursuit based on other schools chasing, but I can't see where you said he was out. (Given the 6 months ago time frame you provided.)
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Ever the victim.
In what thread did you make this prediction...that you claim has "come true" even though it hasn't?
Not the victim, but it is a culture here. If you mention an outcome that doesn't line up between the hash marks here, you pay the brunt. It is counter productive to a free wheeling message board that promotes ideas and discussion if some of those views (more importantly, those that offered them) are subjected needlessly.
It was in November. Several threads. My position remains that almost no one of consequence offered him a scholarship. He is a huge kid, but probably not ready for Big East play. He should go to prep school or a JUCO and get more experience, especially considering he is not playing in high school. Unfortunately that viewpoint struck a few nerves. If I'm reading Buzz correctly, he agrees with those of us that felt he is a project and not ready.
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It was in November. Several threads. My position remains that almost no one of consequence offered him a scholarship. He is a huge kid, but probably not ready for Big East play. He should go to prep school or a JUCO and get more experience, especially considering he is not playing in high school. Unfortunately that viewpoint struck a few nerves. If I'm reading Buzz correctly, he agrees with those of us that felt he is a project and not ready.
I believe what people are looking for is link evidence that you said this. There were some that said Durley wasn't coming, I don't remember you being part of that school of thought. You didn't think he deserved the offer, that it might not be a good signing, but I don't remember anything about you thinking he actually wouldn't come, certainly not that long ago.
If you said it, I would think you would be the best suited person to look at your own posts, find them, and link them for the rest of us. If you recall the "several threads", then who better to prove what you are saying than yourself?
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It was in November. Several threads. My position remains that almost no one of consequence offered him a scholarship. He is a huge kid, but probably not ready for Big East play. He should go to prep school or a JUCO and get more experience, especially considering he is not playing in high school. Unfortunately that viewpoint struck a few nerves. If I'm reading Buzz correctly, he agrees with those of us that felt he is a project and not ready.
Ive been right there with you hoop. It remains hard to have an opinion on this board without getting bashed for it. I respect your opinion and everyone else's.
I personally thought he was borderline on coming here after seeing how he didn't get the playing time he deserved in high school. I thought it would be in his, and the teams best interest for him to go JUCO or prep for a year. Then the Otule injury happened and that made it seem even more likely this would happen. I want Durley to be the next center in line behind DG and Otule, but he might have to take a slight detour on his route to MU. I would take a proven scorer in Lockett next year and let Durley develop for a year before coming on to campus.
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If you said it, I would think you would be the best suited person to look at your own posts, find them, and link them for the rest of us. If you recall the "several threads", then who better to prove what you are saying than yourself?
attempting to use ration with an irrational person?
Good luck with that!
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http://www.gomarquette.com/allaccess/
here is the show....buzzs response seemed pretty clear to me without coming right out and stating it.
about the 16:15 mark
Wow, thanks for that. No way Durley is at MU next year.
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Ive been right there with you hoop.
This is what I'm not sure about. I don't argue that you haven't been saying it, you've basically been saying you don't think Durley will ever get within 500 miles of Marquette because he's behind Ridley at Fort Bush. I don't dispute you saying that. But I don't remember that argument from Hoop, certainly not 6 months ago. I do remember him saying that he didn't think it was a good signing because of the schools that were in on him (despite interest from Arizona and K-State), but not that he wouldn't be coming.
Saying you don't agree with signing a given player and saying you don't think a player will ever show up are two completely different arguments.
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"His special circumstance, wanting to play closer to home because of his mother’s illness, would also help his chances to play right away as well."
Can someone help me with this one. How would his desire to play closer to his ailing mother help his chances to play right away? Thanks.
Also needs to be seeking a masters that asu doesn't offer to play right away, and they offer a ton, so master of catholic theology may be it!
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Also needs to be seeking a masters that asu doesn't offer to play right away, and they offer a ton, so master of catholic theology may be it!
Do they have a dental school? Doesn't look like it from Google. He could be probably the only D1 basketball player in dental school!
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This is what I'm not sure about. I don't argue that you haven't been saying it, you've basically been saying you don't think Durley will ever get within 500 miles of Marquette because he's behind Ridley at Fort Bush. I don't dispute you saying that. But I don't remember that argument from Hoop, certainly not 6 months ago. I do remember him saying that he didn't think it was a good signing because of the schools that were in on him (despite interest from Arizona and K-State), but not that he wouldn't be coming.
Saying you don't agree with signing a given player and saying you don't think a player will ever show up are two completely different arguments.
I want Durley to be the next center in line behind DG and Otule, but he might have to take a slight detour on his route to MU. I would take a proven scorer in Lockett next year and let Durley develop for a year before coming on to campus.
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Durley is likely out, something several of us said 6 months ago. 4ever, myself and a few others. You can imagine the polite reception we got when we said it then and to see it now come true makes all the sticks and stones worth it. :P
Sounds an awful lot like: "I knew when we recruited Tyshawn Taylor to Marquette that he was a National Championship caliber guard."
Easy to see the love affair Hoop has with Tom Crean, as they both like telling everybody how right they were.
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Do they have a dental school? Doesn't look like it from Google. He could be probably the only D1 basketball player in dental school!
then 4never could adopt the cat, and as the child of a university employee, get free tuition, aina?
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Wow, thanks for that. No way Durley is at MU next year.
Yeah, thanks a buttload. I didn't realize we could watch those.
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This is what I'm not sure about. I don't argue that you haven't been saying it, you've basically been saying you don't think Durley will ever get within 500 miles of Marquette because he's behind Ridley at Fort Bush. I don't dispute you saying that. But I don't remember that argument from Hoop, certainly not 6 months ago. I do remember him saying that he didn't think it was a good signing because of the schools that were in on him (despite interest from Arizona and K-State), but not that he wouldn't be coming.
Saying you don't agree with signing a given player and saying you don't think a player will ever show up are two completely different arguments.
I want Durley to be the next center in line behind DG and Otule, but he might have to take a slight detour on his route to MU.
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You have been nothing if not consistent in your distaste for Durley over the past 3-4 months. One sentence today doesn't change that.
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Yeah, thanks a buttload. I didn't realize we could watch those.
Am I sensing sarcasm? I was referring to his comments regarding Durley, never heard or read those comments in the past.
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You have been nothing if not consistent in your distaste for Durley over the past 3-4 months. One sentence today doesn't change that.
Where are you getting my distaste for him? I recall saying he seemed like a very nice person and liked MU. I said I thought it would be better for him to go JUCO or prep for a year and I still stand by that. Your the one who said it would be better to have him sit on the bench at MU. So would you still have him on the bench instead of Lockett?
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Ever the victim.
In what thread did you make this prediction...that you claim has "come true" even though it hasn't?
Don't feed trolls. Not just you Sultan....all of us.
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Where are you getting my distaste for him? I recall saying he seemed like a very nice person and liked MU. I said I thought it would be better for him to go JUCO or prep for a year and I still stand by that. Your the one who said it would be better to have him sit on the bench at MU. So would you still have him on the bench instead of Lockett?
Sorry, I meant your distaste for him coming to Marquette this year. I still want Durley to come. I've been bullish on our team next year for quite awhile, and feel that Blue, Mayo, and TJ will be a more potent scoring trio than most expect. I think we'll have 5 guys in double-figures, and while we won't have the individuals putting up numbers, I do think we'll be harder to stop offensively as a team next year than we were this year.
Lockett would give us another scoring option, and I think he'd be a solid addition, but I don't see it as a need situation. And in terms of what I'd have...I'd rather have both Durley and Lockett in 2012-13, if I were playing fantasy college basketball. Which is a possibility. I think Durley benefits more from being here, getting acclimated, building strength with Todd Smith, and practicing against Otule and Gardner, even as a redshirt, than he does blowing a year or two of eligibility at a JUCO. And if disaster strikes again next year and suddenly we are down two big men (like we were this year) I would definitely like to have another option there on the bench.
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Ive been right there with you hoop. It remains hard to have an opinion on this board without getting bashed for it. I respect your opinion and everyone else's.
I personally thought he was borderline on coming here after seeing how he didn't get the playing time he deserved in high school. I thought it would be in his, and the teams best interest for him to go JUCO or prep for a year. Then the Otule injury happened and that made it seem even more likely this would happen. I want Durley to be the next center in line behind DG and Otule, but he might have to take a slight detour on his route to MU. I would take a proven scorer in Lockett next year and let Durley develop for a year before coming on to campus.
That was my contention UltimateWarrior. Let him go to prep school and play on someone else's dime to develop. He doesn't play for his team right now, rides the pine and was not offered by many schools that would imply he is ready. Buzz can make mistakes (Roseboro) and there is no shame in that. He is a project and it sounds like his comments now are saying the same thing Ultimate and I said in November.
Nov 27, 2011
"So when I said a few weeks ago that pretty much no one of any high merit had offered him based on the actual articles on his recruitment it wasn't off. Of course that didn't stop those that identify themselves as man crushers from taking swipes and invoking other coaches (for no reason). You can't teach size, which this kid has. If he was as good as advertised, one would expect to have more offers than Chattanooga, South Florida and South Alabama.
Seems a good move by Buzz to let him develop on someone else's dime and scholarship. If it works out, he can come to play at MU, but you're as good as who has offered you a scholarship not a bunch of schools sending letters and claiming to recruit you. A significant difference."
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=28601.msg330025#msg330025
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Sounds an awful lot like: "I knew when we recruited Tyshawn Taylor to Marquette that he was a National Championship caliber guard."
Easy to see the love affair Hoop has with Tom Crean, as they both like telling everybody how right they were.
I didn't say that, but we all know who did because you are bringing it up. He was right. Taylor just helped lead his team to the National Championship game this year. That type of analysis is missed.
Sounds an awful lot like the other posters here that are bringing up posts and threads from 2 years ago, 4 years ago, 5 years ago. I guess AnotherMU84, Tower, and a guy named Ners are like Tom Crean because they like telling everybody how right they were. :o
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32125.msg383462#msg383462
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=31629.msg372635#msg372635
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I didn't say that, but we all know who did because you are bringing it up. He was right. Taylor just helped lead his team to the National Championship game this year. That type of analysis is missed.
Well, that kind of "right" is the same as a broken clock. It's right twice a day.
What would Crean say about Dameon Mason and Nick Williams? Were they all also National Championship caliber? Both were 4-star recruits, just like Taylor, and both were rated higher. Yet neither had that type of career, and not just because they didn't play at Kansas.
I really don't care much about Crean one way or the other any more. But I'm not a fan of that kind of self-aggrandizing drivel from anyone, especially when it's after the fact. That statement would have had value if Crean had made it four years ago. Saying it now is an empty statement.
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I'm not a fan of that kind of self-aggrandizing drivel from anyone, especially when it's after the fact. That statement would have had value if Crean had made it four years ago. Saying it now is an empty statement.
That summarizes Tanned Tommy to a tee.