ASU beat writer just tweeted this out:
@doughaller: "Told that in addition to Iowa State, Marquette & Creighton have interest in Arizona State junior Trent Lockett."
Would be a nice addition to the team if true.
He's transferring after his junior year. Did ASU have a coaching change or something where he would not be required to sit out for a year?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2012, 06:31:42 PM
He's transferring after his junior year. Did ASU have a coaching change or something where he would not be required to sit out for a year?
I think he is graduating this summer so he can play right away next year.
He's from Minnesota and his mom is sick so he wants to be closer to home.
I'm assuming he'd apply for a waiver to play right away.
Quote from: KC_Warrior on April 04, 2012, 06:33:10 PM
He's from Minnesota and his mom is sick so he wants to be closer to home.
I'm assuming he'd apply for a waiver to play right away.
Oh gotcha. That would definitely help if something opens up for him. Between him, Mayo, Blue, and Taylor you would hope/think one of them would step up and be the go-to guard that we look for in terms of scoring. That would be a lot of guard depth, and with Gardner and OTule at the 5 and Wilson and Taylor at the 4 we could definitely be a strong team again.
Yes, I read about him being eligible a couple of weeks ago, but didn't know we were in the mix.
I didn't rate him as a huge contributor, partly because Arizona State's defense was so bad, and his turnovers were high - though that could be a team problem since they were the 4th worse team in the country at turnovers.
Really wouldn't mind Junior having another senior in the backcourt rotations, and the guy was top 100 in getting to the line, top 300 in steals and good blocked shots for a guard, and top 300 in eFG% due to hitting 41% of treys and 52% on twos - again very good for a guards.
Sounds like a guy who could really prosper with much better teammates here than on the ASU team that went 10-21 with their average loss being by double digits (57-68).
I'm intrigued.
For those who don't read it, Pomeroy now calculates which 5 players of the last decade you are most like each season. Arizona State was terrible the past two seasons, but when they were pretty good (NIT) his freshman year, Pomeroy says Lockett was most similar to Zach Graham, Antonio Pena, Nikola Cvetinovic AND the Quincy Pondexter as a freshman and Wesley Matthews as a freshman.
If there is any chance his senior year could be anything like Pondexter, or better yet like WESLEY MATTHEWS I say give Buzz a year to work with him and we could get something good in a 6--foot-4 senior guard, might be worth a shot.
Sign him up.
However, if MU is really interested in him for next season, I assume the coaches already know of some pending roster changes that we are unaware of.
Let the rampant speculation begin.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 04, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
Sign him up.
However, if MU is really interested in him for next season, I assume the coaches already know of some pending roster changes that we are unaware of.
Let the rampant speculation begin.
My thoughts exactly. Having room in 2013 is one thing, that's still a year off, but 2012, not so much. Certainly makes one wonder...
If a spot opens up it's a no-brainer given it's for one year and we can't afford to sign another freshman. He's got some very good qualities (can score, shoots at a high clip, can rebound well for a guard). Could be very useful to have an extra scorer in the backcourt - it's naive to think we have enough scoring when we're relying on Mayo to take a big leap based on a good tournament, Blue to improve based on hope, and Taylor to transition well from Juco. To really feel good about our backcourt scoring we need at least two of the three to make a big leap - very possible, but would feel a lot better with someone proven. Lockett has already proven he can get a basket.
a second-team All-Pac-10 pick in 2010-11 and a first-team Pac-10 All-Academic pick in 2010-11.
agreed, and I think you are always recruiting - in case someone leaves even if you don't know it's going to happen. I'm certainly not advocating anyone should or will not be here next year, just that he is the kind of guy you want to have a line too.
Guess ever since Mbakwe's disappearance I've been paranoid and hoping there is a Plan B always ready.
I think Buzz insinuated pretty clearly that Durleys spot may have gone away due to the return of otule on his show. Reading between the lines. I think we sign someone with one year of eligibilty and only 3 freshman come in. Then otule gets the one year players schollie for his 6 th year .
That is my guess as to what happens
If room is made, hes going to be a gopher.
But my understanding is that they already dont have room for Mbakwe.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 04, 2012, 07:42:50 PM
I think Buzz insinuated pretty clearly that Durleys spot may have gone away due to the return of otule on his show. Reading between the lines. I think we sign someone with one year of eligibilty and only 3 freshman come in. Then otule gets the one year players schollie for his 6 th year .
That is my guess as to what happens
What did Buzz say? Does Buzz really want to send away another player who signed a LOI before he ever sets foot on campus?
Quote from: Norm on April 04, 2012, 09:09:51 PM
What did Buzz say? Does Buzz really want to send away another player who signed a LOI before he ever sets foot on campus?
Mainly just that things had changed because of Otule's injury and likely sixth year. It was veiled and didn't really say anything for certain one way or the other, but it certainly didn't sound like an affirmation of Durley's place going forward. FWIW, I'm still hoping he ends up here.
Are we pretty much assuming Otule is here for six? I'm not even thinking in terms of eligibility ... I'm just not sure I'd want to stick around in college for 6 years. Every time I hear there's a potential for over-recruiting for Otule's 6th year, my assumption is he'll decide to move on.
What I took from Buzz's comments is that now that Otule will be here for 2 more years it might not be best for Durley to come into a situation where he has no chance of playing for 2 years(especially after basically not playing this year).
The decision will certainly be up to AD. Lets see how it plays out.
ps. Buzz has said Chris will be here for his 6th year so until we hear otherwise I'd assume that's how it will play out.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on April 04, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
Are we pretty much assuming Otule is here for six? I'm not even thinking in terms of eligibility ... I'm just not sure I'd want to stick around in college for 6 years.
::)
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on April 04, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
Are we pretty much assuming Otule is here for six? I'm not even thinking in terms of eligibility ... I'm just not sure I'd want to stick around in college for 6 years. Every time I hear there's a potential for over-recruiting for Otule's 6th year, my assumption is he'll decide to move on.
Yes, because that's what Buzz has said repeatedly. Under those circumstances, it seems likely to place more faith in what Buzz thinks CO will do than what posters would do if they were in that circumstance.
And let's be honest...if CO has a chance to stay around one more year, with everything paid including additional education, and he has a chance to possibly play on a Final Four team that most MU fans seem to think will be our best team in recent memory, wouldn't he want a chance to be a part of that? I know I would.
If it were me, I wouldn't bank on Otule staying healthy the next two years. He's pretty injury prone and has only had one effective season without major injuries.
Evan Eschmeyer, who had bad feet, spent 6 years at Northwestern and was a star in Year 6.
Like all Mildcats, however, he never was on an NCAA tourney team.
Just one example. There are lots of reasons a non-NBA prospect would want a sixth year. A free Master's degree ranks pretty high on that list.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2012, 09:38:30 PM
Yes, because that's what Buzz has said repeatedly. Under those circumstances, it seems likely to place more faith in what Buzz thinks CO will do than what posters would do if they were in that circumstance.
And let's be honest...if CO has a chance to stay around one more year, with everything paid including additional education, and he has a chance to possibly play on a Final Four team that most MU fans seem to think will be our best team in recent memory, wouldn't he want a chance to be a part of that? I know I would.
And by most fans, we mean MU hoops junkies who project the performance of a team two years down the road. In other words, not even enough fans to fill the empty seats in the student section last year.
/ I love this board.
//No teal
I'd say all of us who are still on this page blogging about basketball this long after MUs season - and even college basketball - has ended are in a pretty tiny minority of the fan base that fills the Bradley Center - much less watches on TV.
So yes, of those of us who care enough to still be posting I believe most think 2014 is on course to be our best year in some time.
I didn't want to post this at the time of Otule's injury for obvious reasons, but a 6th year could be a MONSTROUS blessing in disguise. In essence, MU traded away some success this season for potentially a title in 2014. As it stood, Otule was taking the last spot on a roster that desperately needed to add a center with Ox being the ONLY center. It's possible Buzz could have landed a blue chip freshman center, but when was the last time that happened? Instead, MU now has a 6'11" 265ish 6th year center with a 7'5" wingspan. Otule in 2014 is a key piece to the puzzle of title dreams.....2014 is now FULLY LOADED!
Quote from: TheBuzzsaw on April 05, 2012, 01:05:56 AM
I didn't want to post this at the time of Otule's injury for obvious reasons, but a 6th year could be a MONSTROUS blessing in disguise. In essence, MU traded away some success this season for potentially a title in 2014. As it stood, Otule was taking the last spot on a roster that desperately needed to add a center with Ox being the ONLY center. It's possible Buzz could have landed a blue chip freshman center, but when was the last time that happened? Instead, MU now has a 6'11" 265ish 6th year center with a 7'5" wingspan. Otule in 2014 is a key piece to the puzzle of title dreams.....2014 is now FULLY LOADED!
That assumes Otule will be healthy in 2014, which is definitely not a given with his injury history.
The 2013-14 team could very well be Final Four worthy. They would start the year in the top 10, at least, with seniors in Jamil Wilson, Vander Blue, Davante Gardner, and a sixth year Chris Otule. Not to mention a 23-year-old junior in Todd Mayo.
Next year will be fun, but 2 years from now Marquette could very well contend for a No. 1 seed and a Final Four.
Quote from: MU82 on April 04, 2012, 10:35:51 PM
Evan Eschmeyer, who had bad feet, spent 6 years at Northwestern and was a star in Year 6.
Like all Mildcats, however, he never was on an NCAA tourney team.
Just one example. There are lots of reasons a non-NBA prospect would want a sixth year. A free Master's degree ranks pretty high on that list.
Eschmeyer played in the Association.
Quote from: strotty on April 05, 2012, 02:43:35 AM
The 2013-14 team could very well be Final Four worthy. They would start the year in the top 10, at least, with seniors in Jamil Wilson, Vander Blue, Davante Gardner, and a sixth year Chris Otule. Not to mention a 23-year-old junior in Todd Mayo.
Next year will be fun, but 2 years from now Marquette could very well contend for a No. 1 seed and a Final Four.
Who is running the point in '14?? That is the key to going from a top ten team to a team that will be ranked #1 at some point that year and will be in the discussion for a national title. We need a top 50 point guard.
Duane Wilson.
Derrick Wilson will be a Junior and I think will run a solid point and play solid D, he may not score a lot, but the 2014 team won't need that from him.
Quote from: Lacrosse218 on April 05, 2012, 07:05:58 AM
Derrick Wilson will be a Junior and I think will run a solid point and play solid D, he may not score a lot, but the 2014 team won't need that from him.
i hate this belief. we may not need a point guard that scores, but we certainly need one capable of scoring. he has a long way to go before he can even be played at the end of game, let alone, running the team for the majority of it.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 05, 2012, 07:32:22 AM
i hate this belief. we may not need a point guard that scores, but we certainly need one capable of scoring. he has a long way to go before he can even be played at the end of game, let alone, running the team for the majority of it.
Good thing he has over 2 years to improve then.
Talk of a national title 2 years from now is way too premature in my opinion. Let's see what they look like next year. Will people step up to fill the huge void left by the departures of DJO and Crowder? Will the team mesh together? Will they stay healthy? Will someone transfer out? Will Buzz be here in 2 years? Lots of basketball and needed development to take place before we start talking titles.
+1....fans are ridiculous in predicting this kind of stuff.
One little fact working against our "National Championship". It's only happened once without a burger boy on the roster and we don't have any.
Let's see how Blue, Mayo and Jamil handle increased responsibilities before we start predicting anything.
Quote from: Norm on April 05, 2012, 08:13:03 AM
Talk of a national title 2 years from now is way too premature in my opinion. Let's see what they look like next year. Will people step up to fill the huge void left by the departures of DJO and Crowder? Will the team mesh together? Will they stay healthy? Will someone transfer out? Will Buzz be here in 2 years? Lots of basketball and needed development to take place before we start talking titles.
Quote from: MuMark on April 05, 2012, 08:34:40 AM
+1....fans are ridiculous in predicting this kind of stuff.
One little fact working against our "National Championship". It's only happened once without a burger boy on the roster and we don't have any.
Let's see how Blue, Mayo and Jamil handle increased responsibilities before we start predicting anything.
Burton has a reasonable chance to be a burger boy and would be on the team in two years.
Should we start making the banner now?
Quote from: Norm on April 05, 2012, 08:13:03 AM
Talk of a national title 2 years from now is way too premature in my opinion. Let's see what they look like next year. Will people step up to fill the huge void left by the departures of DJO and Crowder? Will the team mesh together? Will they stay healthy? Will someone transfer out? Will Buzz be here in 2 years? Lots of basketball and needed development to take place before we start talking titles.
This board can be funny. We have a subset of people who believe that players can barely improve. (Derrick Wilson). And another subset that predict revolutionary improvement to the point where we are in the Final Four.
I personally believe that we will be about where we were this year in 2014. It comes down to talent and with the one and dones, we might not have enough of it.
I think the comment about National Championship is being taken out of context. From Pudner, it's a 15% chance, which is a pretty small chance. For example, once Marquette made the S16, they had a 15% chance of making the Final Four but only a 2% chance of being champs. Even the 15% chance is probably overstated.
The way I think about it is that MU will be better than this year and in contention for a two seed or maybe even a one seed. If things hold/barring injuries*, Marquette will have three Top 100 seniors and a Top 100 junior, plus Gardner/Otule/Mayo as upperclassmen. That's a talented, tall, deep, and experienced team, even without considering the three Top 100 players that will be sophs or frosh. Compared to this year, it will be better on all four categories, so I do think it's reasonable to expect the team in two years to be at a higher level than this year.
*big assumption
I think we need to see how the conference shake ups effect seeding. Traditionally, if you won the BEast, you got a 1 seed. Last year we were 2nd, and the 1st place team is gone. While we may not be the favorite, I think we have a chance to win the BEast next year, in turn giving us a 1 seed. Then, if we have a 1 seed, I would say we have a great chance of making the Final Four.
get to the Final Four.
If everything falls into place we are going to be stacked in two years. No doubt if everyone improves as expected and the new guys can play as advertised the team two years from now will be aiming at FF as realistic goal. This years team was step two in the process in my opinion and future very bringht providing nothing crazy happens.
Quote from: Goose on April 05, 2012, 09:53:39 AM
If everything falls into place we are going to be stacked in two years. No doubt if everyone improves as expected and the new guys can play as advertised the team two years from now will be aiming at FF as realistic goal. This years team was step two in the process in my opinion and future very bright providing nothing crazy happens.
I understand being optimistic but sentiments like this seem ludicrous considering we don't know what will happen in the program over the next three months, much less the next 30 months.
Short memories are the norm for society today but do the tragicomic events of ten days ago not register any more for one of the prime players?
Quote from: Norm on April 05, 2012, 08:13:03 AM
Talk of a national title 2 years from now is way too premature in my opinion. Let's see what they look like next year. Will people step up to fill the huge void left by the departures of DJO and Crowder? Will the team mesh together? Will they stay healthy? Will someone transfer out? Will Buzz be here in 2 years? Lots of basketball and needed development to take place before we start talking titles.
+1.
Golden
Agreed completely. I mentioned that all has to go perfect to make this happen. There are a ton of things that have to go right for that team to be stacked but it is fun to think about in the meantime. Plenty can happen between now and then and a lot probably will happen.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2012, 04:57:43 AM
Eschmeyer played in the Association.
Yes, for about 10 seconds. He was drafted in the second round, hardly played, bounced around and quit.
Eschmeyer was a non-prospect until he became a star in his 6th season.
Quote from: Warrior's Path on April 05, 2012, 09:10:15 AM
I think the comment about National Championship is being taken out of context. From Pudner, it's a 15% chance, which is a pretty small chance. For example, once Marquette made the S16, they had a 15% chance of making the Final Four but only a 2% chance of being champs. Even the 15% chance is probably overstated.
Yes, thanks for that context. The excitement for me is that if the team stays basically in tact for 2 years, we will have enough potential to HOPE for a national title, and I believe that would make 2014 only the 12th time that Marquette has had enough to REALISTICALLY talk about a national title. The other years were 1939, 1955, 1971-78 and 2003. Now obviously we only won the title one of those 12 years, but the other 80+ years there was no chance of a title. (no offense to the 1970 NIT title, great accomplishment, but we didn't play a single ranked team that year and it wasn't until Chones came the next year that we weren't good enough to have a shot.
Of course that means it is more depressing when it doesn't happen, and we could get knocked out right away like Chones-Meminger in 1971, etc., or seeing that Roy Williams just had us figured out somehow in 2003, etc.
But the point is there are years like 2010 where just making the tournament is a huge accomplishment and cause for celebration, and in 2011 where just making the Sweet 16 was an enormous and unexpected accomplishment, and then you look at 2014 and say making the Sweet 16 might legitimately be a disappointment that year, like 1971. The sample size of the average progression of players from freshman to sophomore to junior to senior is enough to indicate a real possibility of making a run in 2014 - and I think that's worth getting excited about even though it will probably end like it does for 344 of 345 teams - with a loss at some point.
Quote from: Warrior's Path on April 05, 2012, 09:10:15 AM
I think the comment about National Championship is being taken out of context. From Pudner, it's a 15% chance, which is a pretty small chance. For example, once Marquette made the S16, they had a 15% chance of making the Final Four but only a 2% chance of being champs. Even the 15% chance is probably overstated.
It all depends on matchups, and I don't see how MU only had a 15% chance of making the final four once they were in the sweet 16. They only had to win two games, one against a lower seeded team and one against a team we had already beaten (and also a lower seed). I would think our chances of winning both of those games were better than 15%.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 05, 2012, 07:32:22 AM
i hate this belief. we may not need a point guard that scores, but we certainly need one capable of scoring. he has a long way to go before he can even be played at the end of game, let alone, running the team for the majority of it.
I agree. He clearly cost us the game at Wisconsin this year.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on April 05, 2012, 12:02:10 PM
The sample size of the average progression of players from freshman to sophomore to junior to senior is enough to indicate a real possibility of making a run in 2014 - and I think that's worth getting excited about even though it will probably end like it does for 344 of 345 teams - with a loss at some point.
Only 342 of 345 teams now thanks to the NIT and CIT.
Quote from: murespect on April 05, 2012, 12:26:51 PM
It all depends on matchups, and I don't see how MU only had a 15% chance of making the final four once they were in the sweet 16. They only had to win two games, one against a lower seeded team and one against a team we had already beaten (and also a lower seed). I would think our chances of winning both of those games were better than 15%.
While being lower seeded, Florida had a higher overall Pomeroy ranking than us, making the game about a tossup. So figure a 47% chance of winning the first game and then either another 50% game with UL or an underdog game vs MSU (we would have been about a 35% dog). Yes, odds would have improved once we made the E8, but then again...
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 05, 2012, 08:42:11 AM
Burton has a reasonable chance to be a burger boy and would be on the team in two years.
Should we start making the banner now?
Dude was only 3rd team all area.
How'bout discussing whether Buzz will be the coach in a couple of years?
4ever
Got to love JS in having Burton Third Team today. It is unbelievable on they do things over there. Makes no difference to me if he was ninth team because he can play. Your boy Looney got nice props and well deserved.
What's your take on Buzz in two years funny guy?
Quote from: Goose on April 05, 2012, 02:11:55 PM
4ever
Got to love JS in having Burton Third Team today. It is unbelievable on they do things over there. Makes no difference to me if he was ninth team because he can play. Your boy Looney got nice props and well deserved.
What's your take on Buzz in two years funny guy?
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/showalters-bring-honors-to-the-family-vn4rj03-146218905.html
Looney 1st team as a SOPHOMORE and Wilson 1st team as a junior. Nice that we already have one, would be HUGE to get the other. Also, it might be due to the depth they're standing at but Looney looks a full 2-3 inches taller than Tokoto, who is listed at 6'6" everywhere I've seen. Would be really nice to see him in an MU uni.
Kevon is 6' 7" and just turned 16 yo.
Quote from: Jamailman on April 05, 2012, 02:28:53 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/showalters-bring-honors-to-the-family-vn4rj03-146218905.html
Looney 1st team as a SOPHOMORE and Wilson 1st team as a junior. Nice that we already have one, would be HUGE to get the other. Also, it might be due to the depth they're standing at but Looney looks a full 2-3 inches taller than Tokoto, who is listed at 6'6" everywhere I've seen. Would be really nice to see him in an MU uni.
I don't think it's the depth, I think Looney has 2-3 inches on him.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2012, 01:03:09 PM
Dude was only 3rd team all area.
Dude was also not ruled eligible to play by the WIAA until after Christmas, over a month into the season. Add in the transition time it took to get into the flow of things with his new team after being ruled eligible to play, and 3rd Team All Area is actually a pretty incredible accomplishment.
Wades
Think 4ever knew the reason why third team. The kid was first team and circumstances affected his place.
Quote from: murespect on April 05, 2012, 12:26:51 PM
It all depends on matchups, and I don't see how MU only had a 15% chance of making the final four once they were in the sweet 16. They only had to win two games, one against a lower seeded team and one against a team we had already beaten (and also a lower seed). I would think our chances of winning both of those games were better than 15%.
I believe the 15% is right. I believe at the outset of the Sweet 16, Pomeroy gave us a 47% chance as the #18 team playing #12 Florida, and then we were around 32% against #3 Michigan State. I believe Michigan State was one of only two Sweet 16 games Pomeroy got wrong, with Wisconsin just missing making him 7 of 8 since he did pick Florida over us.
Anyway, you multiply .47 X .32 and you get a .15 chance of winning both games.
Which leads me to the interesting fact for preseason and stat skeptics that Pomeroy's pre-SEASON rankings had the Final Four ranked 1, 2, 8, and 11. Better than the AP, etc., and if Ohio State had held on he would have had the 1-2 correct in the preseason, which NO voter in the AP had right.