http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7758565/kansas-state-wildcats-hiring-bruce-weber-men-basketball-coach
That was quick.......
Pullens twitter quotes were classic.
"weber didn't think I was good enough to play at Ilinois...and I don't think he's good enough to coach at KState"
Quote from: APieperFan3 on March 31, 2012, 11:17:18 AM
Pullens twitter quotes were classic.
"weber didn't think I was good enough to play at Ilinois...and I don't think he's good enough to coach at KState"
Terrible hire.
What a depressing hire for K-State fans.
Quote from: JoBo2756 on March 31, 2012, 11:24:31 AM
What a depressing hire for K-State fans.
I disagree. Weber had a pretty good run with the Illini. It ended with a whimper, but he was up there in terms of career wins with them and he did take them to a National Championship game. Kansas State was a middling program before Martin game so they should be grateful that they got a somewhat high-profile coach to come in. Is it the best hire? No, but certainly not disappointing.
You cannot say it is a bad hire, unless you know who their other choices were.
I think he was always hurt by Bill Self's legacy at Illinois and could never really get over the hump at Illinois. He has a new life, which may or may not work well for him.
not a bad hire on either end. KState gets an experienced coach with a successful track record. Weber gets to go to a place where there is less national attention and pressure to win.
Jury's out....., so what else is new? I'm trying to think of some other coaches whose careers were restarted and successful. Bruce is joining a darn tough league to compete in. Tougher than the BIG WHATEVER, I think.
Quote from: JTBMU7 on March 31, 2012, 11:45:35 AM
not a bad hire on either end. KState gets an experienced coach with a successful track record. Weber gets to go to a place where there is less national attention and pressure to win.
Good landing for Weber. But, can he recruit at K-State? K-State has been a burial ground for coaches. Frank Martin was lucky to hitch his star to Huggins and then have some national recruits. Weber is not going to do that.
Weber seems like great guy but think he is much more suited for mid major program. If I were KSU fan I would be very disappointed.
Quote from: windyplayer on March 31, 2012, 11:38:26 AM
I disagree. Weber had a pretty good run with the Illini. It ended with a whimper, but he was up there in terms of career wins with them and he did take them to a National Championship game.
The only thing about Weber taking Illinois to a championship game is he did it with all of Self's recruits so that takes away from it a bit.
KSU fans need to give Bruce Weber FIVE YEARS before they make any judgements!
Quote from: mu77vegas on March 31, 2012, 12:18:02 PM
KSU fans need to give Bruce Weber FIVE YEARS before they make any judgements!
Yep. I can't wait for a year from now when we can finally start to figure out what kind of job Buzz Williams is doing, as well as what Tom Crean is doing at I4.
BTW, Brad Stevens just finished up his 5th season at Butler. I am starting to think he might be pretty good. Unfortunately, Darrin Horn only got through 4 seasons at USC, so we'll never know if he did a good job or not. I also have no idea how Illinois hired John Groce since he only had 4 years at Ohio. How on earth were they able to judge whether or not he would be a good fit?
Its a better hire than Doug Gottlieb
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 31, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
Its a better hire than Doug Gottlieb
I would be a better hire than Doug Gottlieb.
Gottlieb probably couldn't pass the pre-employment credit check.
Quote from: Z F-B on March 31, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
I would be a better hire than Doug Gottlieb.
Gottlieb probably couldn't pass the pre-employment credit check.
Nah, stick with your delivery route. Job security is better as long as you don't get lost too often.
Way better then Chris Collins.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on March 31, 2012, 07:12:20 PM
Way better then Chris Collins.
Agreed, but collins should have gotten the illinois job. He'd have been a good fit down there.
Overall, I like hiring eager young assistants/mid major coaches over high-major re-treads as a general rule. It seems there's more motivation to build and make a name vs a guy who had success elsewhere and is looking to continue coaching.
Weber is too nice a guy to succeed at the high-major level. I would never want him heading up a program I cheered for. It'll be interesting to see if any of his UI players follow him...he had quite the nice class a year ago.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 31, 2012, 01:09:10 PM
Yep. I can't wait for a year from now when we can finally start to figure out what kind of job Buzz Williams is doing, as well as what Tom Crean is doing at I4.
BTW, Brad Stevens just finished up his 5th season at Butler. I am starting to think he might be pretty good. Unfortunately, Darrin Horn only got through 4 seasons at USC, so we'll never know if he did a good job or not. I also have no idea how Illinois hired John Groce since he only had 4 years at Ohio. How on earth were they able to judge whether or not he would be a good fit?
This post made me laugh. We all know who you are targeting with this. If memory serves, he said he waits for 5 years but he also often said something like so far so good. Some people make up their minds earlier than others.
Weber is a perfect example. After just two years, how many people would have though Weber would be fired not many years later? Lavin, Hewitt at Georgia Tech, etc. The theory I have heard thrown around is pretty sound. Let a coach go through a full class of his players graduating before you truly make a no holds bar judgment. Mike Deane was great after three years (a NIT final, two NCAA appearances). He was fired two years later, in his 5th year.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 01, 2012, 12:26:08 AM
This post made me laugh. We all know who you are targeting with this. If memory serves, he said he waits for 5 years but he also often said something like so far so good. Some people make up their minds earlier than others.
Weber is a perfect example. After just two years, how many people would have though Weber would be fired not many years later? Lavin, Hewitt at Georgia Tech, etc. The theory I have heard thrown around is pretty sound. Let a coach go through a full class of his players graduating before you truly make a no holds bar judgment. Mike Deane was great after three years (a NIT final, two NCAA appearances). He was fired two years later, in his 5th year.
Strange that you would rush to defend that. Even stranger that you would write it in the third person. Give it up already.
Quote from: Jamailman on April 01, 2012, 05:36:24 AM
Strange that you would rush to defend that. Even stranger that you would write it in the third person. Give it up already.
No joke. How pathetic!
Quote from: Jamailman on April 01, 2012, 05:36:24 AM
Strange that you would rush to defend that. Even stranger that you would write it in the third person. Give it up already.
What does striped tomato think?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 01, 2012, 12:26:08 AM
This post made me laugh. We all know who you are targeting with this. If memory serves, he said he waits for 5 years but he also often said something like so far so good. Some people make up their minds earlier than others.
::)
Seriously you are not fooling anyone any longer.
Quote from: Z F-B on April 01, 2012, 09:34:56 AM
What does striped tomato think?
NONE OF THE ABOVE
I guess posts are disappearing. Why would some disappear and others stay?
We all know Navin you were targeting Marquette84 or Chicos with that post. Right? Neither are wrong or right necessarily. I'm sure we can all name coaches that looked great the first few years, including Bruce Weber but were fired not long later. If those guys wanted to wait 5 years, who cares. If some of us want to wait 1 year or 3 years, that is fine also. Why does it bother you so much? Why the constant posts to try to gotcha someone? And why are some of these posts allowed by moderators and then others are not?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 02, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
I guess posts are disappearing. Why would some disappear and others stay?
We all know Navin you were targeting Marquette84 or Chicos with that post. Right? Neither are wrong or right necessarily. I'm sure we can all name coaches that looked great the first few years, including Bruce Weber but were fired not long later. If those guys wanted to wait 5 years, who cares. If some of us want to wait 1 year or 3 years, that is fine also. Why does it bother you so much? Why the constant posts to try to gotcha someone? And why are some of these posts allowed by moderators and then others are not?
ghosts in the machine. *shrug*
*sigh*
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 02, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
I guess posts are disappearing. Why would some disappear and others stay?
Is there any more Chicos-esque complaint on scoop?
Weber really had a tough week last week (in his own words per ESPN.com). got fired with a $3.9 million severance package and signed a 5 year contract for $8.5 million. Must be tough...... ;)
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 05, 2012, 11:58:03 AM
Weber really had a tough week last week (in his own words per ESPN.com). got fired with a $3.9 million severance package and signed a 5 year contract for $8.5 million. Must be tough...... ;)
Wish my bad weeks were that lucrative.
Quote from: warrior07 on April 02, 2012, 09:19:08 PM
Is there any more Chicos-esque complaint on scoop?
I remember him complaining about it. It started to happen to me recently, I'm not complaining rather commenting on how some posts disappear while others from other posters stay. No difference in the content, but it appears the authorship is the key. My impression, you are free to have your own.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 05, 2012, 04:44:30 PMI remember him complaining about it. It started to happen to me recently, I'm not complaining rather commenting on how some posts disappear while others from other posters stay. No difference in the content, but it appears the authorship is the key. My impression, you are free to have your own.
First, has your post count gone down? If posts were deleted, your count would go down. Even if they were edited or redacted, it would show who edited the post, which could only be you or a moderator. So if this massive conspiracy is going on, there would be evidence.
Second...do you really think the mods have it in for you? Why? What personal vendetta is there? Either this board has a massive conspiracy, or you're just being narcissistic. I try to be as neutral as possible, and have nothing against you, Hoop, but the woe is me thing just seems a bit old.
One more thing...I don't think you're Chicos. I never did. If you are, then you have reformed a great deal. While you may have some occasional posting similarities, it wasn't posting style, nor the 5-year eval plan for Buzz, nor the occasional defending of TC that got him banned. It was the personal attacks, the goading of the moderators, and the use of this site as a springboard for borderline cyber-stalking. You do none of these things. So why would the mods have any reason to censor you? You aren't Chicos, but comments like that last one make it seem like you really wish you were.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2012, 07:34:19 AM
First, has your post count gone down? If posts were deleted, your count would go down. Even if they were edited or redacted, it would show who edited the post, which could only be you or a moderator. So if this massive conspiracy is going on, there would be evidence.
Second...do you really think the mods have it in for you? Why? What personal vendetta is there? Either this board has a massive conspiracy, or you're just being narcissistic. I try to be as neutral as possible, and have nothing against you, Hoop, but the woe is me thing just seems a bit old.
No, I do not think the mods have it in for me.
Yes, some posts were deleted and I am not sure why.
Ghosts in the machine?
Can someone less lazy than me do a search for "ghosts in the machine" and see how many times it was referenced by Chicos versus not referenced by Chicos? It has to be 10:1.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 06, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
Ghosts in the machine?
I've noticed in my extensive research that you, ZFB and CBB have all used that exact same term. My logic leads me to conclude the three of you are all the same poster.
Quote from: warrior07 on April 06, 2012, 03:47:51 PM
Can someone less lazy than me do a search for "ghosts in the machine" and see how many times it was referenced by Chicos versus not referenced by Chicos? It has to be 10:1.
Jamialman is up for the job. Since I have never used the term I look forward to him saying I have anyway. Seems pretty obvious that Chicos, 4ever, and ZFB are the same poster since they have used the term in identical fashion. It is the only logical conclusion.
ZFB is my sister from a different mister.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 06, 2012, 05:58:31 PM
ZFB is my sister from a different mister.
Kids, let this be a lesson: this is what happens when you 4niFry
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