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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 05:16:40 AM
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The more I hear, the more it sounds like Buzz may not be around. One of the things that could help keep him here is imploring administration to do what it takes to keep Buzz happy. If anyone hasn't done so yet, here are some email addresses of people that would be involved in making this decision.
Larry Williams athleticdirector@marquette.edu or lawrence.williams@marquette.edu
Father Pilarz scott.pilarz@marquette.edu
Personally, I don't think Marquette could make a bigger mistake than letting Buzz go. I know the school and program would go on, but we have a chance to reach heights not many programs reach. If we can make a difference, isn't it worth taking 5 minutes to email these guys and let them know you support keeping Buzz?
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Completely agree with you Brew, but before we all start sending emails it may be best for someone to put together a blanket email that we can all copy, paste, and send. Last year when Matt Painter was tempted by Missouri, one of their sports blogs drafted an email for alumni and fans to send to their president and AD in support of Matt Painter.
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How does this look? Feel free to add suggestions or comments...I know I can tend to be long-winded:
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In the past few days, it has come to light that Buzz Williams may be leaving Marquette. In my opinion, this would be a huge mistake by the administration. Marquette is identified publicly by its men's basketball program more than anything else. Having a strong, recognizable, affable face of the program is an absolute necessity.
In college basketball, success is built through continuity. When the right coach ends up at the right institution, truly special things can happen. It worked out that way once before at Marquette under Al McGuire. It has worked out at other schools like Duke and Michigan State, neither of which were traditional powers before the arrivals of their current coaches. And for the first time since Al, Marquette has a coach it could work out like that for, one that is not only loved by the fanbase and players but also seems to genuinely love being here.
I implore you do to everything in your power to retain Buzz Williams as Marquette's head men's basketball coach. Donations to Marquette and new student applications are directly tied to the success and visibility of our basketball program, and Buzz has shown the potential to bring that program to consistent heights not seen in over three decades. With two Sweet 16s already under his belt and numerous high-level recruits already verbally committed to or interested in playing for Marquette in the coming years, Marquette has a chance to move back into the limelight as a national basketball power for the first time since Al McGuire retired.
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The whole thing will come down to how Buzz feels overall with his role as coach at Marquette University and his relationships with his superiors at Marquette. He has everything at his disposal to be successful at his job, but it's those relationship things that are much more complex than any of us know and how do you change those once they've been started? Buzz will either want to remain at Marquette or if things aren't going well on a personel level, he'll move on and I think it's really that simple. The media negativity in Milwaukee doesn't help right now either, IMHO.
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The whole thing will come down to how Buzz feels overall with his role as coach at Marquette University and his relationships with his superiors at Marquette. He has everything at his disposal to be successful at his job, but it's those relationship things that are much more complex than any of us know and how do you change those once they've been started? Buzz will either want to remain at Marquette or if things aren't going well on a personel level, he'll move on and I think it's really that simple. The media negativity in Milwaukee doesn't help right now either, IMHO.
How do you change it?? Very simple....You remove the cancer(LW) before it spreads, and affects the rest of the body(MU Athletics). No relationship issues then.
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no thanks
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How do you change it?? Very simple....You remove the cancer(LW) before it spreads, and affects the rest of the body(MU Athletics). No relationship issues then.
If relationship issues are the problem, then emails to LW won't help. Seems to me emails to the Board of Trustees would be more pertinent. BWDIK?
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How does this look? Feel free to add suggestions or comments...I know I can tend to be long-winded:
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In the past few days, it has come to light that Buzz Williams may be leaving Marquette. In my opinion, this would be a huge mistake by the administration. Marquette is identified publicly by its men's basketball program more than anything else. Having a strong, recognizable, affable face of the program is an absolute necessity.
In college basketball, success is built through continuity. When the right coach ends up at the right institution, truly special things can happen. It worked out that way once before at Marquette under Al McGuire. It has worked out at other schools like Duke and Michigan State, neither of which were traditional powers before the arrivals of their current coaches. And for the first time since Al, Marquette has a coach it could work out like that for, one that is not only loved by the fanbase and players but also seems to genuinely love being here.
I implore you do to everything in your power to retain Buzz Williams as Marquette's head men's basketball coach. Donations to Marquette and new student applications are directly tied to the success and visibility of our basketball program, and Buzz has shown the potential to bring that program to consistent heights not seen in over three decades. With two Sweet 16s already under his belt and numerous high-level recruits already verbally committed to or interested in playing for Marquette in the coming years, Marquette has a chance to move back into the limelight as a national basketball power for the first time since Al McGuire retired.
Copied. Pasted. Sent with my own addendum. Thanks for putting this together, I hope others follow through as well.
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Think about Buzz's speach about the baker..... and how Buzz talked about his wife. Think about what this means. Buzz's wife is not happy.
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that's a shame
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Agreed, but it's also money. Down here in the south there is a pure "spend what it takes to bring a coach in to win," mentality in sports. If someone throws an extra million or two a year at him, that's a lot of long-term security for the family in an unstable profession. Go to a school where the expectation is very low, there is also greater long-term security.
Really hope he stays, but hope there isn't a reaction against him if he makes even more money at MU.
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Agreed, but it's also money. Down here in the south there is a pure "spend what it takes to bring a coach in to win," mentality in sports. If someone throws an extra million or two a year at him, that's a lot of long-term security for the family in an unstable profession. Go to a school where the expectation is very low, there is also greater long-term security.
Really hope he stays, but hope there isn't a reaction against him if he makes even more money at MU.
First, if it's money, I'd be shocked. Marquette has the 2nd highest budget in college basketball. There's absolutely no reason anyone should outspend us for a coach we want to keep. If Buzz is offered 3, we should give him 3.5. If he's offered 4, give him 5. We don't have football to spend on. Pay to keep him.
And if it's a reaction, I'm pretty sure it won't be against Buzz. Personally speaking, at least, I wouldn't be upset with Buzz for leaving as much as I would be with the administration for allowing it to happen.
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Think about Buzz's speach about the baker..... and how Buzz talked about his wife. Think about what this means. Buzz's wife is not happy.
What is this The Soprano's finale? He wasn't sending clues after beating Murray State.
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As far as we know, MU is trying to retain Buzz.
REALITY CHECK:
EVERYBODY reading the board, consider what is happening. We have TWO (unknown) posters who are saying the MU administration has problems with Buzz.
The only FACTS we have about a strained relationship are some less than perfect quotes in the paper from LW, and IWB's post which included a broad statement about "relationships".
Maybe we are making something out of nothing, no?
The facts are:
- MU spends big on hoops.
- The BOT supports hoops (for the most part).
- The current president has hoops roots (georgetown).
- The current AD was hired by the President and BOT and has "revenue producing" athletics background coming from ND, a school that has a great understanding of using athletics to promote the school.
I'm sorry, but the rumors about the "new admin" repeatedly coming from these 2 posters (goose and MUguru) just don't match the facts that we know.
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As far as we know, MU is trying to retain Buzz.
REALITY CHECK:
EVERYBODY reading the board, consider what is happening. We have TWO (unknown) posters who are saying the MU administration has problems with Buzz.
The only FACTS we have about a strained relationship are some less than perfect quotes in the paper from LW, and IWB's post which included a broad statement about "relationships".
Maybe we are making something out of nothing, no?
The facts are:
- MU spends big on hoops.
- The BOT supports hoops (for the most part).
- The current president has hoops roots (georgetown).
- The current AD was hired by the President and BOT and has "revenue producing" athletics background coming from ND, a school that has a great understanding of using athletics to promote the school.
I'm sorry, but the rumors about the "new admin" repeatedly coming from these 2 posters (goose and MUguru) just don't match the facts that we know.
Personally, I particularly like the notion on the other thread that LW is trying to downgrade the basketball program. That's the job of the AD, right? To make the athletic programs worse?
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2002...please remember Goose has been saying this for quite some time and everybody sided with BigDaddy. I have no hidden agenda. I want to Buzz to stay as much as anyone on this board. Further, my comments have been made based off credible conversations with credible people. You can dismiss me all you want, please remember that I brought this up prior to any newspaper quotes or rumors surfacing.
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I believe the thought process of the school and AD is to bring basketball back to reality. We have spent a bundle and may have reached the bar in some people's eyes. If that is the case we could have a lower budget and have a lower profile coach. I understand that way of thinking, may not agree with it, but do get it.
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2002...please remember Goose has been saying this for quite some time and everybody sided with BigDaddy. I have no hidden agenda. I want to Buzz to stay as much as anyone on this board. Further, my comments have been made based off credible conversations with credible people. You can dismiss me all you want, please remember that I brought this up prior to any newspaper quotes or rumors surfacing.
Fine, but forgive me for being skeptical. What you are saying doesn't match what we KNOW.
If I believe what you are saying, I have to believe the following:
- Pilarz doesn't support using hoops to create revenue, even when MU is adding a sports team (Lacrosse)
- L. Williams either lied in his interview with the BOT, or the BOT suddenly doesn't care about hoops and didn't ask him.
- L. Williams and Buzz don't get along (buzz is pretty blunt about his players, Larry was pretty blunt about Buzz. The quotes don't bother me).
- In 6-9 months, Pilarz and LW have decided to change the entire approach to MU athletics, which is basically taking the school in an entirely new direction
- Dick strong is signing off on this new approach
Seems like some big jumps for me when reading an anonymous poster on the internet.
Feel free to rub my fat face in this if you are right.
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I believe the thought process of the school and AD is to bring basketball back to reality. We have spent a bundle and may have reached the bar in some people's eyes. If that is the case we could have a lower budget and have a lower profile coach. I understand that way of thinking, may not agree with it, but do get it.
So I'm to understand that the AD and university president have decided to cut back revenue from the basketball team by cutting costs but its all going to work out so they can continue to deliver enough revenue to all the sports like the new lacrosse team without issue? Unless there is something I'm missing here, this is insanity. Did Buzz piss in LW's cornflakes? It doesn't make any sense to reduce the visibility of the basketball program, that's roughly 78% of why the university is known. Maybe this makes sense 10 years from know after Buzz has won a ton and things like the College of Engineering are turning out amazing students with their revamped program, but now would be absolutely the wrong time to rock this boat.
Do LW and Pilarz not get exactly how beloved Buzz is with the fan base? I don't understand what would drive them to push him out if that is indeed the case
Oh and 63.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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The only reason I'm not totally dismissing this whole thing out of hand is I did have a conversation with a classmate who works pretty high up on the business side of MU and presented a great deal of apathy toward the basketball program, basically saying that money could be better spent on academics. I'm hoping that isn't the general attitude at MU admin but if it is I could see how that could fertilize such a debacle as might happen if Buzz is pushed out and that's the only way I could interpret his going to SMU
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2002...please remember Goose has been saying this for quite some time and everybody sided with BigDaddy. I have no hidden agenda. I want to Buzz to stay as much as anyone on this board. Further, my comments have been made based off credible conversations with credible people. You can dismiss me all you want, please remember that I brought this up prior to any newspaper quotes or rumors surfacing.
I never believe someone who refers to themselves in the third person. Jimmy doesent like that.
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2002...All I have said is Buzz has been unhappy, have not provided specifics. I would say that my posts are at least being partially valid. I believe the new administration believes that the program has decent chance of being successful wih less money thrown it's way. In addition, in light of Penn State events school's are erroring on side of caution. If Buzz gets outed for his dance it is evidence to me the school is highly concerned with image.
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The only reason I'm not totally dismissing this whole thing out of hand is I did have a conversation with a classmate who works pretty high up on the business side of MU and presented a great deal of apathy toward the basketball program, basically saying that money could be better spent on academics. I'm hoping that isn't the general attitude at MU admin but if it is I could see how that could fertilize such a debacle as might happen if Buzz is pushed out and that's the only way I could interpret his going to SMU
FWIW - In Hartford, at the pre-UConn game reception, during the question & answer session someone asked Larry Williams if the school would consider football with the changing NCAA landscape. Larry Williams answered with "As Father Pilarz always says if you have $250mil you wish to donate towards restarting football then we will definitely consider doing." Then he made a comment 30 seconds later that he tried to presented in a humorous manner and said "Although I think he would rather spend that amount of money on some other things."
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2002...All I have said is Buzz has been unhappy, have not provided specifics. I would say that my posts are at least being partially valid. I believe the new administration believes that the program has decent chance of being successful wih less money thrown it's way. In addition, in light of Penn State events school's are erroring on side of caution. If Buzz gets outed for his dance it is evidence to me the school is highly concerned with image.
Can you provide some specifics other than "Buzz is unhappy"?
We have some cryptic quotes and your posts so far as "evidence". Again, this just isn't adding up for me.
AND if MU is trying to be more cautious with it's image and athletic department, GOOD. Buzz should get on board. Buzz has done a great job in his 4 years, but the off the court image could be better. If Buzz goes to SMU because of that, then good luck to him.
Buzz is great at his job, and I like him. But, he's not a 20 year head coaching veteran. He's been a head coach for 4 years at MU. He can and should still improve, on and off the court. I have no problem with LW and Pilarz working with him on that. If that is making Buzz grumpy, then he just needs a vacation, not a new job.
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The only reason I'm not totally dismissing this whole thing out of hand is I did have a conversation with a classmate who works pretty high up on the business side of MU and presented a great deal of apathy toward the basketball program, basically saying that money could be better spent on academics. I'm hoping that isn't the general attitude at MU admin but if it is I could see how that could fertilize such a debacle as might happen if Buzz is pushed out and that's the only way I could interpret his going to SMU
If your classmate is "pretty high up" and doesn't understand how the department functions at all then we do have incompetent administration. The budget relies on donor money. They can't expect to tell big donors they want to use their money differently (on academics instead of men's basketball) and expect it to still come in. So if they want to spend less, they want less money from donors. Why would they tell donors who are giving them money to donate less? Completely illogical.
Think of it this way: you are in school. Your rich uncle is really into cars, and he wants to buy you a Mercedes. You don't appreciate cars, so you tell him to buy you a Prius and spent the test on your tuition. Your uncle did not intend his gift to be cash, he intended it to be a nice car. Since you couldn't indulge in his passion you're now taking the bus. And your academics are actually worse off than if you'd taken his offer because you've put yourself on a bus schedule instead of using your Mercedes to get to school.
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Can you provide some specifics other than "Buzz is unhappy"?
We have some cryptic quotes and your posts so far as "evidence". Again, this just isn't adding up for me.
AND if MU is trying to be more cautious with it's image and athletic department, GOOD. Buzz should get on board. Buzz has done a great job in his 4 years, but the off the court image could be better. If Buzz goes to SMU because of that, then good luck to him.
Buzz is great at his job, and I like him. But, he's not a 20 year head coaching veteran. He's been a head coach for 4 years at MU. He can and should still improve, on and off the court. I have no problem with LW and Pilarz working with him on that. If that is making Buzz grumpy, then he just needs a vacation, not a new job.
+1. Oh, the audacity of the AD wanting to have players that don't assault people on and off campus. There is a reason the players are not liked very much on campus.
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AND if MU is trying to be more cautious with it's image and athletic department, GOOD. Buzz should get on board. Buzz has done a great job in his 4 years, but the off the court image could be better. If Buzz goes to SMU because of that, then good luck to him.
Buzz is great at his job, and I like him. But, he's not a 20 year head coaching veteran. He's been a head coach for 4 years at MU. He can and should still improve, on and off the court. I have no problem with LW and Pilarz working with him on that. If that is making Buzz grumpy, then he just needs a vacation, not a new job.
Thats what I do not understand. If Buzz is of such high moral fiber as he appears, why wouldn't he work with the administration to improve the image going forward. Why, would he want to run from that, and if the administration likes what buzz is doing from the basketball stand point,, why wouldn't they want to work with him on it instead of running him off.
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If your classmate is "pretty high up" and doesn't understand how the department functions at all then we do have incompetent administration. The budget relies on donor money. They can't expect to tell big donors they want to use their money differently (on academics instead of men's basketball) and expect it to still come in. So if they want to spend less, they want less money from donors. Why would they tell donors who are giving them money to donate less? Completely illogical.
Think of it this way: you are in school. Your rich uncle is really into cars, and he wants to buy you a Mercedes. You don't appreciate cars, so you tell him to buy you a Prius and spent the test on your tuition. Your uncle did not intend his gift to be cash, he intended it to be a nice car. Since you couldn't indulge in his passion you're now taking the bus. And your academics are actually worse off than if you'd taken his offer because you've put yourself on a bus schedule instead of using your Mercedes to get to school.
At no point did I agree with him, nor do I now. I only pass this along as a cautionary tale about the administration not totally getting it and thinking that the basketball program needs MU more than MU needs the basketball program but that is completely backwards.
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+1. Oh, the audacity of the AD wanting to have players that don't assault people on and off campus. There is a reason the players are not liked very much on campus.
The players were never liked on campus, at least as far as I remember from when I was there, so that's nothing new.
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Could you imagine the reaction of the big time donors, and any MU basketball fan, if this scenario played out and cutting basketball costs was truly one of the reasons to go in a different coaching direction?? Please......this would be 100x worse than the Warrior/Golden Eagle renaming fiasco....
And........I pay $35,000 a year for my son to go to MU law school........ cutting basketball costs should NEVER be a part of this entire scenario....
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Thats what I do not understand. If Buzz is of such high moral fiber as he appears, why wouldn't he work with the administration to improve the image going forward. Why, would he want to run from that, and if the administration likes what buzz is doing from the basketball stand point,, why wouldn't they want to work with him on it instead of running him off.
Ding! That's why I think this all turns out to be much ado about nothing. People are trying to string about 17 unrelated occurrences into a picture, I'm surprised no one has worked the Mayan calendar into this. I think there are honestly strains between the Williams, but not nearly enough to push each other apart this much. Once this season is clear and everyone has a chance to sit down and map out the next year I suspect we will hear this kind of talk go away.
Buzz probably feels the off court stuff needs to be corrected but isn't yet aligned with Larry's way of thinking, but LW came in right before the season, and its been hectic since then so no chance to really work this stuff out. I'm sure during the quiet period when Buzz can't recruit anyway the whole team gets together and figures it out and we're good to go. If that doesn't happen I really question the hire of LW.
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+1. Oh, the audacity of the AD wanting to have players that don't assault people on and off campus. There is a reason the players are not liked very much on campus.
You haven't been on campus in more than 20 years.
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Since we're just making stuff up, how about this...
Fr. Pilarz and LW have been breathing down Buzz's neck since they were hired. Buzz likes to have more freedom and not be micromanaged. Therefore, he's going to talk to SMU just to put some fear in them that he'll bolt - even to a historically irrelevant basketball school - if they don't back off and let him do his thing.
Makes as much sense as a lot of what's being spewed on here, doesn't it?
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Well...regardless, I don't think there's any harm in emailing support for Buzz to LW and Pilarz. If it's nothing, no loss. If it's something, maybe a show of support helps. And if it's something not yet in the plans, it lets them know that if and when it comes, there is a vocal group of alumni that would oppose his dismissal.
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Could you imagine the reaction of the big time donors, and any MU basketball fan, if this scenario played out and cutting basketball costs was truly one of the reasons to go in a different coaching direction?? Please......this would be 100x worse than the Warrior/Golden Eagle renaming fiasco....
And........I pay $35,000 a year for my son to go to MU law school........ cutting basketball costs should NEVER be a part of this entire scenario....
Couldn't agree more, I'm going part time for my MBA and have a friend or two working at MU.....the amount of waste that goes on at MU(or any college) is astounding considering how much they ask for tuition.
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Well...regardless, I don't think there's any harm in emailing support for Buzz to LW and Pilarz. If it's nothing, no loss. If it's something, maybe a show of support helps. And if it's something not yet in the plans, it lets them know that if and when it comes, there is a vocal group of alumni that would oppose his dismissal.
Unless it's a vocal group of alumni who are also high-powered donors, it's not going to make a huge impact.
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Since we're just making stuff up, how about this...
Fr. Pilarz and LW have been breathing down Buzz's neck since they were hired. Buzz likes to have more freedom and not be micromanaged. Therefore, he's going to talk to SMU just to put some fear in them that he'll bolt - even to a historically irrelevant basketball school - if they don't back off and let him do his thing.
Makes as much sense as a lot of what's being spewed on here, doesn't it?
Thought the same thing after reading the other thread that give Mbakwe as Chuck Norris a run for it's money.
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Couldn't agree more, I'm going part time for my MBA and have a friend or two working at MU.....the amount of waste that goes on at MU(or any college) is astounding considering how much they ask for tuition.
The fact that they built a block-long "administration" building just so that the bureaucrats didn't have to walk 60 seconds between the AMU and Marquette Hall (etc.) should tell us a lot about where are the Admin's priorities.
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I have emailed Fr Pilarz and Larry Williams already, and Coach too.
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The fact that they built a block-long "administration" building just so that the bureaucrats didn't have to walk 60 seconds between the AMU and Marquette Hall (etc.) should .
Well, that, or that admin. offices were scattered all over campus, and the one building that some were in was really old. But, no, I'm certain they built that as a big f*** you to tuition paying students, and to "tell us a lot about where are (sic) the Admin's priorities". That's it.
S***, the Raynor Library, the AL, McCabe Hall...man...they are REALLY RUBBING IT IN OUR FACE.
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Well, that, or that admin. offices were scattered all over campus, and the one building that some were in was really old. But, no, I'm certain they built that as a big f*** you to tuition paying students, and to "tell us a lot about where are (sic) the Admin's priorities". That's it.
S***, the Raynor Library, the AL, McCabe Hall...man...they are REALLY RUBBING IT IN OUR FACE.
I'm really getting sick of your level headed common sense veiled in sarcasm.
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I have emailed Fr Pilarz and Larry Williams already, and Coach too.
http://www.youtube.com/v/5hR5YNqE3K8&fs=1&source=uds
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The fact that they built a block-long "administration" building just so that the bureaucrats didn't have to walk 60 seconds between the AMU and Marquette Hall (etc.) should tell us a lot about where are the Admin's priorities.
Or have an impressive first look for potential students instead of walking into the mob of students going to Western Civ lecture.
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+1. Oh, the audacity of the AD wanting to have players that don't assault people on and off campus. There is a reason the players are not liked very much on campus.
Wahhhhhhhahhhh The basketball players got in a alleged fight and they get other things that we dont get wahhhhhh.
Deal with it. The Basketball team is the reason why anyone outside of Milwaukee has heard of Marquette. Without the hoops team we might as well be Regis or Rockhurst
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Growing up in Connecticut, that's how I heard of Marquette back in the mid-80's. I knew they had a good basketball team and that got me interested enough to visit the school with my family after a summer vacation to Chicago. The family loved the place so much my brother followed me to MU 2 years later.
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When compared to other university Marquette gets lumped in with
Georgetown, BC, Gonzaga, Xavier (Good company FWIW)
Without Hoops we get lumped in with
Rockhurst, Fairfield, Regis, Canisius etc.
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When compared to other university Marquette gets lumped in with
Georgetown, BC, Gonzaga, Xavier (Good company FWIW)
Without Hoops we get lumped in with
Rockhurst, Fairfield, Regis, Canisius etc.
DON'T FORGET SLU!!!
/muguru voice
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LabWarrior...go to anger managemnt class. You are pissed at anyone that states something you do not like...ease up.
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Sorry LabWarrior...you are right!!!! Great posts today!!!!
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Was there a post or something by someone that said that the master plan of Pillarz and LW was to fire buzz and have Rick Majerus be our coach so we can be like SLU? I was working at the Fast Park while this whole thing got started so I couldnt read everything on my Iphone but i swear something like that came up.
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Was there a post or something by someone that said that the master plan of Pillarz and LW was to fire buzz and have Rick Majerus be our coach so we can be like SLU?
Oh yes... IT WAS INCREDIBLY RATIONAL, AND VERY MUCH BELIEVABLE.
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How do you change it?? Very simple....You remove the cancer(LW) before it spreads, and affects the rest of the body(MU Athletics). No relationship issues then.
Larry Williams is not the problem, if he's anything he's the messenger. Both he and Fr. Pilarz are acting on directives given to them by the BOT when hired. Let's not forget that we were on the front page of the Chicago Tribune twice in a 7 month period. My understanding is some on the BOT are having a hard time reconciling that fact.
I would hope that all fans show Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams the proper respect as they do their jobs. Remember, we all have bosses. I also hope Buzz realizes there are bosses every where.
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I cant wait till we are on the front page of the 2014 JS
"MARQUETTE WINS NATIONAL TITLE; Badgers lose in CBE Title Game"
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I cant wait till we are on the front page of the 2014 JS
"MARQUETTE WINS NATIONAL TITLE; Badgers lose in CBE Title Game"
The Badgers story will be at the top and have a picture. The MU story will be a little blurb on the side. And it'll actually read:
Underage Marquette Players Drink Champagne
Marquette Wins National Title
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I cant wait till we are on the front page of the 2014 JS
"MARQUETTE WINS NATIONAL TITLE; Badgers lose in CBE Title Game"
If it's the JS wouldn't it be BADGERS LOSE IN CBE TITLE GAME, Marquette Wins National Title?
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Larry Williams is not the problem, if he's anything he's the messenger. Both he and Fr. Pilarz are acting on directives given to them by the BOT when hired. Let's not forget that we were on the front page of the Chicago Tribune twice in a 7 month period. My understanding is some on the BOT are having a hard time reconciling that fact.
I would hope that all fans show Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams the proper respect as they do their jobs. Remember, we all have bosses. I also hope Buzz realizes there are bosses every where.
If that's the case then Marquettes administration needs to grow some stones. Look, ND took a ton more heat than we did over an alleged assault that resulted in a SUICIDE! And the death of a volunteer with the football team. These were both tragedies far and away anything that's gone on at Marquette. Here's an idea...get some new PR people. Or, better yet, trust people to realize that the Chicago Tribune is a rag with plummeting subscription rates that is about 1/100th as influential as it thinks it is. Making a coaching change is just going to INCREASE focus on these ALLEGED incidents. The powers that be at ND have enough confidence in themselves, their institution and their constituents to realize these things happen. This is starting to feel like Marquette's infamous inferiority complex is rearing its pathetic head.
Save Buzz!
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Larry Williams is not the problem, if he's anything he's the messenger. Both he and Fr. Pilarz are acting on directives given to them by the BOT when hired. Let's not forget that we were on the front page of the Chicago Tribune twice in a 7 month period. My understanding is some on the BOT are having a hard time reconciling that fact.
I would hope that all fans show Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams the proper respect as they do their jobs. Remember, we all have bosses. I also hope Buzz realizes there are bosses every where.
Lens, you're 100% right that almost everybody has bosses, but if Fr.Pilarz and L Williams are the frontmen in a debacle that causes MU to lose the best man and best coach it has had in decades, I won't accept their "I was just following orders" excuse.
Buzz is much more important to MU's future than either of them or anyone on the BOT. If they allow a hostile workplace environment to force Buzz out their legacies will be irrevocably tainted even as they are just getting started.
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Oh yes... IT WAS INCREDIBLY RATIONAL, AND VERY MUCH BELIEVABLE.
Why? Because Father Pilarz can't wait to hire a high-profile pro-choice advocate?
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Lens, you're 100% right that almost everybody has bosses, but if Fr.Pilarz and L Williams are the frontmen in a debacle that causes MU to lose the best man and best coach it has had in decades, I won't accept their "I was just following orders" excuse.
Buzz is much more important to MU's future than either of them or anyone on the BOT. If they allow a hostile workplace environment to force Buzz out their legacies will be irrevocably tainted even as they are just getting started.
Mr. Tap...I agree with you but this notion (not put forward by you) that because Larry Williams played football at ND he's trying to ruin MU hoops is ridiculous and makes our fan-base look dumb. People need to realize this stuff is starting at the top.
PRN...agreed, ANY P.R. would be better than how MU handles situations. That it got to that point (front page) is an embarrassment in itself.
FTR, my money (what's left post my Three Lions bet) is he stays. I think he gets another bump and we all live happily ever after, in another words...saving the marriage for the kids.
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If that's the case then Marquettes administration needs to grow some stones. Look, ND took a ton more heat than we did over an alleged assault that resulted in a SUICIDE! And the death of a volunteer with the football team. These were both tragedies far and away anything that's gone on at Marquette. Here's an idea...get some new PR people. Or, better yet, trust people to realize that the Chicago Tribune is a rag with plummeting subscription rates that is about 1/100th as influential as it thinks it is. Making a coaching change is just going to INCREASE focus on these ALLEGED incidents. The powers that be at ND have enough confidence in themselves, their institution and their constituents to realize these things happen. This is starting to feel like Marquette's infamous inferiority complex is rearing its pathetic head.
Save Buzz!
+1,000,000,000,000
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If that's the case then Marquettes administration needs to grow some stones. Look, ND took a ton more heat than we did over an alleged assault that resulted in a SUICIDE! And the death of a volunteer with the football team. These were both tragedies far and away anything that's gone on at Marquette. Here's an idea...get some new PR people. Or, better yet, trust people to realize that the Chicago Tribune is a rag with plummeting subscription rates that is about 1/100th as influential as it thinks it is. Making a coaching change is just going to INCREASE focus on these ALLEGED incidents. The powers that be at ND have enough confidence in themselves, their institution and their constituents to realize these things happen. This is starting to feel like Marquette's infamous inferiority complex is rearing its pathetic head.
Save Buzz!
Holy crap what a great post (No teal)
+1000000000000
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If this is true (don't really think it is) the BOT getting rid of a Buzz friend/backer in Cottingham at AD was the beginning of the disconnect. And far more important then people realize.
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Just emailed the 2 powers that be and cc'd Buzz
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+1 Stone Cold
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Mr. Tap...I agree with you but this notion (not put forward by you) that because Larry Williams played football at ND he's trying to ruin MU hoops is ridiculous and makes our fan-base look dumb. People need to realize this stuff is starting at the top.
PRN...agreed, ANY P.R. would be better than how MU handles situations. That it got to that point (front page) is an embarrassment in itself.
FTR, my money (what's left post my Three Lions bet) is he stays. I think he gets another bump and we all live happily ever after, in another words...saving the marriage for the kids.
Hope you're right about the marriage being saved Lens, and FTR, I agree that anyone who posits that Larry Williams is intentionally sabotaging MU because he's a Domer is delusional. That said, his public pronouncements about Buzz have been curious and to my mind not overly supportive.
And Lens, please call me Lenny :)
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Lenny
Of course LW is not idiot, but we could have different idea of direction of the program. I do not think he wants to hurt program but might have different approach than I would like.
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Lens,
This is not a money issue and will not be resolved by a bump in salary. Much deeper than that.
Thank God this is SMU and not the openings from last year or he would be gone by now.
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Hope you're right about the marriage being saved Lens, and FTR, I agree that anyone who posits that Larry Williams is intentionally sabotaging MU because he's a Domer is delusional. That said, his public pronouncements about Buzz have been curious and to my mind not overly supportive.
You know, this is interesting because Buzz often has overly honest and quirky comments about his players in post games. I would hope this didn't start because of something LW said about Buzz in an interview.
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Lens,
This is not a money issue and will not be resolved by a bump in salary. Much deeper than that.
Thank God this is SMU and not the openings from last year or he would be gone by now.
I'm well aware it's not a money issue and I know how deep it is...I still think though that sanity prevails because as you said options of him leaving are limited. Then to show faith going forward a raise might be given, which could off set power being taken away.
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I am 100% certain that Buzz is not leaving...take it to the bank!!!!
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I am 100% certain that Buzz is not leaving...take it to the bank!!!!
Have your sources told you that, or are you just trying to appease a few of the posters? I personally like your scoop, even if the news is sometimes less than ideal. It's always fun to know what's going on in the administration.
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I am 100% certain that Buzz is not leaving...take it to the bank!!!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
What we should be speculating on is when it's announced that Buzz will NOT be leaving.
With that in mind, any idea when that will be made public and we can put this nonsense to bed?
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
What we should be speculating on is when it's announced that Buzz will NOT be leaving.
With that in mind, any idea when that will be made public and we can put this nonsense to bed?
If I were a betting man, I'd say either when SMU hires a new coach or Buzz signs his annual extension. Probably within the week. But FWIW, I've also heard Buzz is staying.
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If Buzz isn't announced as the SMU coach by Thursday I'm guessing we're safe because SMU will want to be talking to people at the Final Four.
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Somewhere along the line I may have missed the boat (wouldnt be the first time). Could someone give me a quick synopsis about the comments that have been made to lead to this discussion or at least a link?
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I walked past the Al and overheard Buzz say, "It's SMU, It's SMU" as he was walking out.
Although mostly there have been some rumors about Buzz not seeing eye to eye with the adminstration, Goose has posted a lot about that. IWB said that SMU asked for permission and MU granted it. He seemed pretty worried about the whole thing. Now, some posters are hearing that Buzz may be staying.
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Somewhere along the line I may have missed the boat (wouldnt be the first time). Could someone give me a quick synopsis about the comments that have been made to lead to this discussion or at least a link?
- Annual coaching carousel starts with seemingly ridiculous "Buzz to SMU" rumor
- Rumor reported first by Goodman, who seems to be fairly close to Buzz, lending some credence
- A few posters across the multiple boards claim they have heard from inside sources there is friction between Buzz and Larry Williams, and possibly he is being pushed out like Cottingham was
- Reports of friction supported by an article written by known MU insider Jim "IWB" Ganzer on his brewcityball.com website; article also claims that "Buzz to SMU" is a legitimate possibility
- Goodman confirms (was it through IWB?) that SMU has been granted permission by Marquette to speak to Buzz about their vacancy; for the record, I do not believe the Oregon, A&M, or Oklahoma rumors ever got to that point
- Email campaign starts in hopes that multiple voices can help keep Buzz here
- Sometime yesterday or today, it comes out that SMU has made an offer to buy Buzz out and increase his salary above $2.6M annually
- In the past few hours, the rumors have cooled and it sounds like Buzz and LW are ironing out their differences
- The posters with inside sources with exception of IWB have unilaterally come out to say Buzz will be staying
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Hope that helps :)
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Somewhere along the line I may have missed the boat (wouldnt be the first time). Could someone give me a quick synopsis about the comments that have been made to lead to this discussion or at least a link?
Don't bother.
But if we must: Some people on this board with too much time on their hands (and possibly a mild case of paranoid schizophrenia) have perpetuated rumors and wild speculation into think that Buzz is leaving for SMU. Among these reasons are: 1. New AD and new President hate Buzz. 2. Reaction to our lawless team and players' penchant to flaunt the law in saloons. 3. SMU has rich alumni! 4. New AD and new President don't want to spend money on the team and this will let them hire a less expensive coach because basketball should not be a priority.
It's nonsense. It's always been nonsense. And I regret every post I've made on the subject because I've done nothing but feed the trolls (yes, even this one.)
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This board is too sensitive about their coaches. First Crean is God. Then is the Devil. Buzz would never leave. Buzz is leaving.
If Buzz gets a contract bump, is it really different then the Crean years? Also, is there any doubt that the suspensions were a result of pressure from the admin, and not Buzz just being a really good mentor?
I like Buzz, but he is not perfect. I just can't wait for 5 years from now if Buzz leaves for Texas, our board will keep saying how horrible of a person he was that had the audacity to dance on the floor.
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I just can't wait for 5 years from now if Buzz leaves for Texas, our board will keep saying how horrible of a person he was that had the audacity to dance on the floor.
Nobody will say that because it's not true. He's the real deal.
If Buzz left for Texas, the Longhorns would become my second favorite team.
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And Lens, please call me Lenny :)
flickering neon
marquette's best education
was inside lenny's
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#SupportBuzz
#IStandWithBuzz
#SaveBuzz
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- Annual coaching carousel starts with seemingly ridiculous "Buzz to SMU" rumor
- Rumor reported first by Goodman, who seems to be fairly close to Buzz, lending some credence
- A few posters across the multiple boards claim they have heard from inside sources there is friction between Buzz and Larry Williams, and possibly he is being pushed out like Cottingham was
- Reports of friction supported by an article written by known MU insider Jim "IWB" Ganzer on his brewcityball.com website; article also claims that "Buzz to SMU" is a legitimate possibility
- Goodman confirms (was it through IWB?) that SMU has been granted permission by Marquette to speak to Buzz about their vacancy; for the record, I do not believe the Oregon, A&M, or Oklahoma rumors ever got to that point
- Email campaign starts in hopes that multiple voices can help keep Buzz here
- Sometime yesterday or today, it comes out that SMU has made an offer to buy Buzz out and increase his salary above $2.6M annually
- In the past few hours, the rumors have cooled and it sounds like Buzz and LW are ironing out their differences
- The posters with inside sources with exception of IWB have unilaterally come out to say Buzz will be staying
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Hope that helps :)
Thanks!
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- Reports of friction supported by an article written by known MU insider Jim "IWB" Ganzer on his brewcityball.com website; article also claims that "Buzz to SMU" is a legitimate possibility
- The posters with inside sources with exception of IWB have unilaterally come out to say Buzz will be staying
If IWB has not yet weighed in we cannot dismiss the possibility. IWB has more contacts than Bausch & Lomb
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If IWB has not yet weighed in we cannot dismiss the possibility. IWB has more contacts than Bausch & Lomb
I think this used to be true. I do not think it is true anymore.
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I think this used to be true. I do not think it is true anymore.
IWB still enjoys a great deal of access to MU coaches and players. The only difference with IWB now is he is no longer affiliated with Scout or Dodds.
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marquette's best education
was inside lenny's
Go away
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the haiku master
entertains us through the night
will never leave us
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Go away
+1,000,000
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Betrayed by Tom Crean
We were blessed with Brent Williams
In Buzz we trust. Word.
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Hmm...I love Buzz as a coach and think he reps Marquette damn well. I'd love to keep him. But at what cost, the school granted permission for SMU to talk to him. Buzz talked to them. Do we really have to do this every year?? As someone once said, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — You can't get fooled again." YEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
If he wants to go or make power plays, let him go. I want him here, but I'm not willing to do this every year. And frankly, we shouldn't have to.
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If that's the case then Marquettes administration needs to grow some stones. Look, ND took a ton more heat than we did over an alleged assault that resulted in a SUICIDE! And the death of a volunteer with the football team. These were both tragedies far and away anything that's gone on at Marquette. Here's an idea...get some new PR people. Or, better yet, trust people to realize that the Chicago Tribune is a rag with plummeting subscription rates that is about 1/100th as influential as it thinks it is. Making a coaching change is just going to INCREASE focus on these ALLEGED incidents. The powers that be at ND have enough confidence in themselves, their institution and their constituents to realize these things happen. This is starting to feel like Marquette's infamous inferiority complex is rearing its pathetic head.
Save Buzz!
All newspapers are losing subscriptions. Doesn't mean you can ignore them because their stories are picked up online and across the country on the wires depending on the story.
For the stories that the Tribune did on Marquette and Notre Dame sexual assault scandals, last week the Chicago Tribune won a major newspaper award, top honor in the 2012 National Headliner Awards
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-headliner-awards-0408-20120408,0,6730559.story
Tribune series on campus sex assaults honored
National Headliner Awards judges deem it best in show
April 8, 2012
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A Tribune series that led to reforms in how universities including Notre Dame and Marquette respond to reports of sexual assaults on campus has won the top honor in the 2012 National Headliner Awards.
The Tribune's 14-month investigation uncovered poorly handled investigations by campus police and revealed how administrators in many cases appeared to focus more on protecting their schools' reputations than in looking into the alleged attacks. In addition to changes in procedures at the schools, the stories prompted two federal investigations.
The series, by reporters Todd Lighty, Stacy St. Clair, Ryan Haggerty and Jodi S. Cohen, was named best of show among all newspaper entries and also won first place for education writing. The Headliner Awards are sponsored by the Press Club of Atlantic City.
Tribune reporters also were part of a first-place team in the broadcasting investigative reporting category for their work on "Pension Games," a series that examined how political deal-making has contributed to a financial crisis in Chicago and Illinois pension funds.
The Tribune's Jason Grotto, Ray Long and Jodi S. Cohen were honored along with WGN-TV's Mark Suppelsa and Marsha Bartel.
In addition, Tribune reporter Michael Hawthorne won third place for environmental writing for his reporting on the Great Lakes, the Chicago River and air pollution on Metra trains.
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All newspapers are losing subscriptions. Doesn't mean you can ignore them because their stories are picked up online and across the country on the wires depending on the story.
For the stories that the Tribune did on Marquette and Notre Dame sexual assault scandals, last week the Chicago Tribune won a major newspaper award, top honor in the 2012 National Headliner Awards
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-headliner-awards-0408-20120408,0,6730559.story
Tribune series on campus sex assaults honored
National Headliner Awards judges deem it best in show
April 8, 2012
Advertisement
Click here to find out more!
A Tribune series that led to reforms in how universities including Notre Dame and Marquette respond to reports of sexual assaults on campus has won the top honor in the 2012 National Headliner Awards.
The Tribune's 14-month investigation uncovered poorly handled investigations by campus police and revealed how administrators in many cases appeared to focus more on protecting their schools' reputations than in looking into the alleged attacks. In addition to changes in procedures at the schools, the stories prompted two federal investigations.
The series, by reporters Todd Lighty, Stacy St. Clair, Ryan Haggerty and Jodi S. Cohen, was named best of show among all newspaper entries and also won first place for education writing. The Headliner Awards are sponsored by the Press Club of Atlantic City.
Tribune reporters also were part of a first-place team in the broadcasting investigative reporting category for their work on "Pension Games," a series that examined how political deal-making has contributed to a financial crisis in Chicago and Illinois pension funds.
The Tribune's Jason Grotto, Ray Long and Jodi S. Cohen were honored along with WGN-TV's Mark Suppelsa and Marsha Bartel.
In addition, Tribune reporter Michael Hawthorne won third place for environmental writing for his reporting on the Great Lakes, the Chicago River and air pollution on Metra trains.
And keep in mind the big issue on all of this was Marquette University's policy for handling sex assault allegations for decades. See...it was the University that had the flawed policy, yet because there were basketball players involved, it became newsworthy and shone a light on the Administrations, Board of Trustees, etc., flawed policy. It really shouldn't come as a surprise that a Jesuit/Catholic university has flawed policies on sex assault...as its been allowed for years within the Catholic church and its protection of many pedophile priests. At least in the case of MU basketball players..the allegations were between male and female of consenting and similar age...a far cry from that which occurred for years in the Catholic church that went unpunished/unpublished.
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Am I missing something or did someone just dig up a month old thread on sexual assaults?
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Am I missing something or did someone just dig up a month old thread on sexual assaults?
Nope.
Someone was just sharing how the MU/ND sexual assaults won a miraculous award for Newspaper Headliners over the National Enquirer and other checkout stand sensational periodicals.