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Title: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: drbchilds on March 19, 2012, 05:47:39 PM
I just watched a roundtable of "Expert Analysts"  that spoke about the remaining sweet 16 teams and basically, said Marquette has no chance against the Gators.


They said that Florida is too good and too well coached compared to Marquette.

They said Marquette only has two players who can score, while Florida has 4-5 that can score 20.

Georgia Basketball Coach Mark Fox, when asked why he didn't land Georgia native, Jae Crowder, insinuated that Jae might not have been eligible out of High School and didn't land him because he had just got the Job at Georgia........blah, blah, blah

Cadougan is inconsistent and causes way too many turnovers and can't cover Florida's guards, who are far superior

Then Bob Valvano started blasting us saying something similar to this:  "Don't confuse Marquette's high activity level with getting anything done."

He also said "They will go into ten minute droughts where they can't score."

and something to the effect of: "This is an average team masked by Crowder's ability on the court."

The Panels(Myron Metcalf, Matt Doherty, Mark Fox, Bob Valvano and about 3-4 others) overall message and consensus:  Florida is going to kick our ass.

I am so fired up for Thursday night!!!!!!!  Bring them on.......
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: GOMU85 on March 19, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
Quote from: drbchilds on March 19, 2012, 05:47:39 PM
I just watched a roundtable of "Expert Analysts"  that spoke about the remaining sweet 16 teams and basically, said Marquette has no chance against the Gators.


They said that Florida is too good and too well coached compared to Marquette.

They said Marquette only has two players who can score, while Florida has 4-5 that can score 20.

Georgia Basketball Coach Mark Fox, when asked why he didn't land Georgia native, Jae Crowder, insinuated that Jae might not have been eligible out of High School and didn't land him because he had just got the Job at Georgia........blah, blah, blah

Cadougan is inconsistent and causes way too many turnovers and can't cover Florida's guards, who are far superior

Then Bob Valvano started blasting us saying something similar to this:  "Don't confuse Marquette's high activity level with getting anything done."

He also said "They will go into ten minute droughts where they can't score."

and something to the effect of: "This is an average team masked by Crowder's ability on the court."

The Panels overall message and consensus:  Florida is going to kick our ass.

I am so fired up for Thursday night!!!!!!!  Bring them on.......

They were wrong about everything accept for Cadougan. However, I still think we will win
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Goose on March 19, 2012, 06:06:26 PM
34 years of losing is motivation enough. These guys are focused and hungry....Dream Big!
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 19, 2012, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 19, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
They were wrong about everything accept for Cadougan. However, I still think we will win

Especially if he plays as poorly as he did against Murray State, right GOMU85?
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on March 19, 2012, 06:35:13 PM
I say "Good"!   let FU come on the court expecting a patsy
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 19, 2012, 06:42:15 PM
Quote from: Goose on March 19, 2012, 06:06:26 PM
34 years of losing is motivation enough. These guys are focused and hungry....Dream Big!

These guys are not close to 34 years old, let alone experiencing 34 years of losing.  They are very likely focused and hungry, but their motivations and ours are not the same.

I'm sure the "Expert Analysis" will mean far more to them than it ever could to any of us.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: drbchilds on March 19, 2012, 05:47:39 PM
I just watched a roundtable of "Expert Analysts"  that spoke about the remaining sweet 16 teams and basically, said Marquette has no chance against the Gators.


They said that Florida is too good and too well coached compared to Marquette.

They said Marquette only has two players who can score, while Florida has 4-5 that can score 20.

Georgia Basketball Coach Mark Fox, when asked why he didn't land Georgia native, Jae Crowder, insinuated that Jae might not have been eligible out of High School and didn't land him because he had just got the Job at Georgia........blah, blah, blah

Cadougan is inconsistent and causes way too many turnovers and can't cover Florida's guards, who are far superior

Then Bob Valvano started blasting us saying something similar to this:  "Don't confuse Marquette's high activity level with getting anything done."

He also said "They will go into ten minute droughts where they can't score."

and something to the effect of: "This is an average team masked by Crowder's ability on the court."

The Panels overall message and consensus:  Florida is going to kick our ass.

I am so fired up for Thursday night!!!!!!!  Bring them on.......

Good luck on Thursday night.

OK, enough of the pleasantries. These are college basketball coaches and former coaches making their opinions known.  They may be wrong but hard to argue with what they said in the games I have seen you play.

Our coach has two national titles, three Final Fours, an Elite 8, SEC titles.  Buzz appears to be a good coach, but has two Sweet 16s.  The experts are right

Marquette has two main scorers and then a big drop off.  Only two of your players scored on Saturday.  They accounted for 55% of your scoring total.  Gardener can get some points for you in some games vs some opponents. Stop Odom or Crowder, either one, and you stand a great chance to win the game.  Even let those two guys get their average and who is going to step up?  What are you guys going to do next year when those to leave?  The experts are right.

Crowder went to a JUCO one assumes to have his grades improve and his basketball prospects.  Considering no one landed him out of high school, probably a safe assumption on Fox's part.

Your point guard is entirely too inconsistent, dribbles the ball too high and throws passes that do not need to be thrown.  Your other guard, Blue, is a defender only.  Mayo has some game, but he is a freshman.

Valvano's comment is a rehash of the John Wooden quote.  10 minute droughts sounds extreme but Marquette does go into a shell at times.  Saturday was a perfect example.  A couple of droughts. The Big East championship was another similar game.  Crowder and Odom do mask the rest of your team.  You are missing a third scorer to scare someone.  You are gutty and tough, but nothing they said was a stretch.

We are playing better of late.  You lost to LSU and Vanderbilt at home.  We beat both those teams.  We are ranked 12th in the Ken Pomeroy rankings while you are 17th.  

Florida will not kill Marquette, but we will win by 8.  Good luck on Thursday.  We expect to win this game.  We have a better, more seasoned coach, better athletes across all 12 members and we are playing well.  You probably feel the exact opposite.  Looking forward to the game.

Gators
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 19, 2012, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: drbchilds on March 19, 2012, 05:47:39 PM

Georgia Basketball Coach Mark Fox, when asked why he didn't land Georgia native, Jae Crowder, insinuated that Jae might not have been eligible out of High School and didn't land him because he had just got the Job at Georgia

Just tuned in when he was talking about this and he actually insinuated that he could not get into an SEC school out of high school but he was recruiting him even though he was brand new to the job.  Sounded like he was making it up on the fly.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 19, 2012, 07:06:27 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 06:55:02 PM
Good luck on Thursday night.

OK, enough of the pleasantries. These are college basketball coaches and former coaches making their opinions known.  They may be wrong but hard to argue with what they said in the games I have seen you play.

Our coach has two national titles, three Final Fours, an Elite 8, SEC titles.  Buzz appears to be a good coach, but has two Sweet 16s.  The experts are right

Marquette has two main scorers and then a big drop off.  Only two of your players scored on Saturday.  They accounted for 55% of your scoring total.  Gardener can get some points for you in some games vs some opponents. Stop Odom or Crowder, either one, and you stand a great chance to win the game.  Even let those two guys get their average and who is going to step up?  What are you guys going to do next year when those to leave?  The experts are right.

Crowder went to a JUCO one assumes to have his grades improve and his basketball prospects.  Considering no one landed him out of high school, probably a safe assumption on Fox's part.

Your point guard is entirely too inconsistent, dribbles the ball too high and throws passes that do not need to be thrown.  Your other guard, Blue, is a defender only.  Mayo has some game, but he is a freshman.

Valvano's comment is a rehash of the John Wooden quote.  10 minute droughts sounds extreme but Marquette does go into a shell at times.  Saturday was a perfect example.  A couple of droughts. The Big East championship was another similar game.  Crowder and Odom do mask the rest of your team.  You are missing a third scorer to scare someone.  You are gutty and tough, but nothing they said was a stretch.

We are playing better of late.  You lost to LSU and Vanderbilt at home.  We beat both those teams.  We are ranked 12th in the Ken Pomeroy rankings while you are 17th.  

Florida will not kill Marquette, but we will win by 8.  Good luck on Thursday.  We expect to win this game.  We have a better, more seasoned coach, better athletes across all 12 members and we are playing well.  You probably feel the exact opposite.  Looking forward to the game.

Gators

Thanks for the view from the other side.  I'm sure you'll understand if MU shows up as scheduled, on Thursday.  Good point about our losses to LSU and Vanderbilt, you do remember that little misadventure your team had in Big East territory, don't you?  Rutgers, I think.  Yes, yes, we did beat Rutgers, as did almost everyone in the Big East.

What are you guys going to do next year when those to leave?  The experts are right.

I'm just going to assume that you realize that this game will be played this year, sorry.

Crowder went to a JUCO one assumes to have his grades improve and his basketball prospects.  Considering no one landed him out of high school, probably a safe assumption on Fox's part.

When you're talking about the lives of college students, "safe assumptions" do not cut it.  Safe assumptions are also not the stuff of responsible journalism.  Crowder was planning on playing football in college (he was a QB) until he hurt his hand in HS, and started to focus on basketball late.  He went to JUCO because he couldn't get a decent scholarship offer for a basketball scholarship out of HS.  There never was a grade problem, "safe assumptions", aside.

I'm looking forward to the game, as well.  Good luck, may the best team win.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: ErickJD08 on March 19, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 19, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
They were wrong about everything accept for Cadougan. However, I still think we will win

Not so sure.  If saying he has had some poor games means he is inconsistent, then sure.  Every player has a bad game here and there.  We won 27 games and many of which came for solid performances from JC.  He is fine.

And didn't we play a top PG and we still won?  Don't know why but ESPN loves Florida.  Every time they win, those guys talk about how they are the sleeper to win it all.  When they lose, crickets.  Let's just beat them and listen to Izzo's experience versus Buzz's.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 19, 2012, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: ErickJD08 on March 19, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
Not so sure.  If saying he has had some poor games means he is inconsistent, then sure.  Every player has a bad game here and there.  We won 27 games and many of which came for solid performances from JC.  He is fine.

And didn't we play a top PG and we still won?  Don't know why but ESPN loves Florida.  Every time they win, those guys talk about how they are the sleeper to win it all.  When they lose, crickets.  Let's just beat them and listen to Izzo's experience versus Buzz's.

ESPN has a contract with the SEC.  As recent events have shown, that is all it takes.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 19, 2012, 07:09:24 PM
ESPN has a contract with the SEC.  As recent events have shown, that is all it takes.

ESPN has a contract with the Big East, also.  The ACC, the Big Ten, the Big 12, the Pac 12. 
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 19, 2012, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
ESPN has a contract with the Big East, also.  The ACC, the Big Ten, the Big 12, the Pac 12. 

Rutgers?  Were there some injuries that game.....just wondering?
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: muguru on March 19, 2012, 07:13:20 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 06:55:02 PM
Good luck on Thursday night.

OK, enough of the pleasantries. These are college basketball coaches and former coaches making their opinions known.  They may be wrong but hard to argue with what they said in the games I have seen you play.

Our coach has two national titles, three Final Fours, an Elite 8, SEC titles.  Buzz appears to be a good coach, but has two Sweet 16s.  The experts are right

Marquette has two main scorers and then a big drop off.  Only two of your players scored on Saturday.  They accounted for 55% of your scoring total.  Gardener can get some points for you in some games vs some opponents. Stop Odom or Crowder, either one, and you stand a great chance to win the game.  Even let those two guys get their average and who is going to step up?  What are you guys going to do next year when those to leave?  The experts are right.

Crowder went to a JUCO one assumes to have his grades improve and his basketball prospects.  Considering no one landed him out of high school, probably a safe assumption on Fox's part.

Your point guard is entirely too inconsistent, dribbles the ball too high and throws passes that do not need to be thrown.  Your other guard, Blue, is a defender only.  Mayo has some game, but he is a freshman.

Valvano's comment is a rehash of the John Wooden quote.  10 minute droughts sounds extreme but Marquette does go into a shell at times.  Saturday was a perfect example.  A couple of droughts. The Big East championship was another similar game.  Crowder and Odom do mask the rest of your team.  You are missing a third scorer to scare someone.  You are gutty and tough, but nothing they said was a stretch.

We are playing better of late.  You lost to LSU and Vanderbilt at home.  We beat both those teams.  We are ranked 12th in the Ken Pomeroy rankings while you are 17th.  

Florida will not kill Marquette, but we will win by 8.  Good luck on Thursday.  We expect to win this game.  We have a better, more seasoned coach, better athletes across all 12 members and we are playing well.  You probably feel the exact opposite.  Looking forward to the game.

Gators

Astute analysis!  ::) There are so many things wrong with your post I don't even know where to start. First of all, you say "shut down" Odom or Crowder, and you win. Easier said than done, my friend. Don't you think every teams game plan is to shut those two down?? Not many have succeeded. That's compounded by the fact that the Gators don't play defense. Since you like Pomeroy ratings, why not point out that your adjusted D rating on Pomeroy is 74?? That's the worst of any team still left in the field. So how exactly does Florida intend to "shut down" DJO or Crowder??

Second, again, citing your favorite Pomeroy ratings, lets take a look at the Adjusted Tempo, shall we?? Florida is 219 MU is 15. There's simply no way, Florida has seen a team as fast or as quick as MU this year, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt they haven't seen one as physical. The SEC is soft in comparison to the BE. MU is the toughest team left in this tournament, mentally and physically. You won't stop MU's penetration, you won't out rebound MU and you sure as hell won't run with MU. Make 10 3's minimum and you may win, otherwise, your team will be going back to Gainsville licking their wounds, literally.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 19, 2012, 07:16:32 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
ESPN has a contract with the Big East, also.  The ACC, the Big Ten, the Big 12, the Pac 12. 

ESPN is in the process of renewing/extending its contract with the Big East.  When the Big East did not jump at their first offer, ESPN called the ACC and pushed them to invite Pittsburgh and Syracuse to join.  At least this was the story that the Boston College athletic director was crowing about until his president told him to lawyer up.

Our University's President had an interesting response when he was asked how many major conferences would survive.  He said two, The Fox Conference and The ESPN Conference.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: timinatorx3 on March 19, 2012, 07:22:03 PM
Shoot! Albert Gator has figured out what coaches of other teams have failed to figure out 27 other times this year - just stop DJO and Crowder. Let's hope he doesn't tell coach Donovan or we're done for!!
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: gmhfordham1015 on March 19, 2012, 07:22:17 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/collegebasketball/WqpQPirfSz3KaOBkBz2FRJzag5doFCZ1?source=fbkapp
;D
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: tower912 on March 19, 2012, 07:35:43 PM
Albert Gator, you have a valid point about stopping Crowder and DJO.   The problem is you guys gave up 85 to freakin Rutgers.   Only Sacred Heart and Maryland-Baltimore county gave up more to Rutgers.   Rutgers takes two games to score 85 in the B-East.    Maybe it has occurred to you that EVERYBODY tries to stop Crowder and DJO.
    Anyway, Donovan is a great coach and a  two time  national champion.    Those teams would have given MU problems because they were long and could play defense, which is the key to stopping MU, which are not strengths of this year's Gator team.     
    You guys can shoot.   If you stay hot, you probably win.    But MU likes to play in the 70's also.   The key to stopping MU is to have a shot-blocker, backboard controller in the paint, and to have long wings who can play back in the driving and passing lanes but still close on the shooter.    I am not seeing a defensive big man or long wings on your team.       Should be fun.   
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: spartan3186 on March 19, 2012, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: muguru on March 19, 2012, 07:13:20 PM
Astute analysis!  ::) There are so many things wrong with your post I don't even know where to start. First of all, you say "shut down" Odom or Crowder, and you win. Easier said than done, my friend. Don't you think every teams game plan is to shut those two down?? Not many have succeeded. That's compounded by the fact that the Gators don't play defense. Since you like Pomeroy ratings, why not point out that your adjusted D rating on Pomeroy is 74?? That's the worst of any team still left in the field. So how exactly does Florida intend to "shut down" DJO or Crowder??

Second, again, citing your favorite Pomeroy ratings, lets take a look at the Adjusted Tempo, shall we?? Florida is 219 MU is 15. There's simply no way, Florida has seen a team as fast or as quick as MU this year, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt they haven't seen one as physical. The SEC is soft in comparison to the BE. MU is the toughest team left in this tournament, mentally and physically. You won't stop MU's penetration, you won't out rebound MU and you sure as hell won't run with MU. Make 10 3's minimum and you may win, otherwise, your team will be going back to Gainsville licking their wounds, literally.

You know they played Kentucky 3 times right? Kentucky is a team full of lottery picks.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Sheriff on March 19, 2012, 08:28:22 PM
How many times did they beat UK?
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: muguru on March 19, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 19, 2012, 08:02:09 PM
You know they played Kentucky 3 times right? Kentucky is a team full of lottery picks.

So?? I'm fully aware that they played UK 3 times. But, UK is not as fast as MU, nor are they as physical as MU, correct?? Now, if I said "they haven't played a team as talented as MU", your point about UK would be correct.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 19, 2012, 08:39:45 PM
I just spent about 2 whole minutes looking at Florida's schedule on ESPN and have a couple of honest questions:

What is Florida's best win?  Vandy?  FSU?  Alabama?

What is their best road win?  Alabama?

Can one of the stats guys do a rundown of their best wins vs our best wins using RPI/Ken Pom or something similar?  I suspect we've beaten far better teams than they have. 

In other words...looking a little deeper, doesn't look to be that impressive of a resume.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Sheriff on March 19, 2012, 08:45:59 PM
Gator - How many teams from this year's Sweet Sixteen has Florida beaten?  MU beat three including UW on the road.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 19, 2012, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: Sheriff on March 19, 2012, 08:45:59 PM
Gator - How many teams from this year's Sweet Sixteen has Florida beaten?  MU beat three including UW on the road.

Ooooh, point very well taken!
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: The Process on March 19, 2012, 08:55:45 PM
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Marquette has two main scorers and then a big drop off.  Only two of your players scored on Saturday.  They accounted for 55% of your scoring total.

Hold on here...I know I "only" went to Marquette, but is it just me or does his logic sound flawed?  First, he says that only two of MU's players scored on Saturday.  Then he says that they accounted for 55% of MU's scoring total.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that up there with saying

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QuoteStop Odom or Crowder, either one, and you stand a great chance to win the game.  Even let those two guys get their average and who is going to step up?  What are you guys going to do next year when those to leave?  The experts are right.

And in other late-breaking news:

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We are playing better of late.  You lost to LSU and Vanderbilt at home.  We beat both those teams.  We are ranked 12th in the Ken Pomeroy rankings while you are 17th.  

And you lost to freaking Rutgers.  That's like losing to 8th seeded Butler as a two seed.  Oh... wait...
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: real chili 83 on March 19, 2012, 09:07:20 PM
Did Abe move to Florida?
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: muhoops1 on March 19, 2012, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 06:55:02 PM
Good luck on Thursday night.

OK, enough of the pleasantries. These are college basketball coaches and former coaches making their opinions known.  They may be wrong but hard to argue with what they said in the games I have seen you play.

Our coach has two national titles, three Final Fours, an Elite 8, SEC titles.  Buzz appears to be a good coach, but has two Sweet 16s.  The experts are right

Marquette has two main scorers and then a big drop off.  Only two of your players scored on Saturday.  They accounted for 55% of your scoring total.  Gardener can get some points for you in some games vs some opponents. Stop Odom or Crowder, either one, and you stand a great chance to win the game.  Even let those two guys get their average and who is going to step up?  What are you guys going to do next year when those to leave?  The experts are right.

Crowder went to a JUCO one assumes to have his grades improve and his basketball prospects.  Considering no one landed him out of high school, probably a safe assumption on Fox's part.

Your point guard is entirely too inconsistent, dribbles the ball too high and throws passes that do not need to be thrown.  Your other guard, Blue, is a defender only.  Mayo has some game, but he is a freshman.

Valvano's comment is a rehash of the John Wooden quote.  10 minute droughts sounds extreme but Marquette does go into a shell at times.  Saturday was a perfect example.  A couple of droughts. The Big East championship was another similar game.  Crowder and Odom do mask the rest of your team.  You are missing a third scorer to scare someone.  You are gutty and tough, but nothing they said was a stretch.

We are playing better of late.  You lost to LSU and Vanderbilt at home.  We beat both those teams.  We are ranked 12th in the Ken Pomeroy rankings while you are 17th.  

Florida will not kill Marquette, but we will win by 8.  Good luck on Thursday.  We expect to win this game.  We have a better, more seasoned coach, better athletes across all 12 members and we are playing well.  You probably feel the exact opposite.  Looking forward to the game.

Gators
Go away inbred.

Warriors
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: ErickJD08 on March 19, 2012, 09:29:04 PM
I am not going to say MU nation expects a victory. I will say this. The people who have more money than you can dream of have Marquette winning by 1.5.

I'll take their prediction over yours.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: MU82 on March 19, 2012, 09:35:52 PM
And my dad can beat up your dad, so there!
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Windyplayer on March 19, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
We're exactly where we want to be, once again--flying under the radar with our opponent having a false sense of confidence. I love it.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: LovinCrowder on March 19, 2012, 10:16:12 PM
Albert Gator:

You seem to be very critical of Marquette, but why don't we talk about your Gators.  See I have 4 months of proof to show that while you think Florida has scorers galore, the game tape reveals a highly underachieving team.  So Kenny Boyton is the next coming of Michael Jordan?  Hardly. Patric Young the next coming of Wilt Chamberlain? Bust.  I must have missed how electric these players were when they were getting swept by a Tennessee team that was awful (that same Tennessee team that got beat at home by Austin Peay).  How about that 11 point loss to the Vols at the O Dome?  What about that loss to a pathetic Georgia team?  62 points wasn't enough.....oh wait, you still lost by 14.  But you're right...that 3 point loss to Ky in the SEC championship was impressive...that made you guys 0-3 against them this year.   The SEC was bad this year, as it is most years.  Take away Kentucky and the conference is pretty much a joke.  See while you were losing to Rutgers in 2OT, we would beat them by 17.   We had only 1 loss to a non tournament team, you had 4.  

I love how you say Florida is playing better right now than Marquette.  Apparently being 3-4 over the last 7 games is considered an achievement....do you want a gold star? (one of those wins was over 15th seeded Norfolk who we beat 2 times this season already...not such a great win to count).  Marquette is 5-2....with those two losses on the road/neutral against fellow Sweet 16 teams Louisville and Cincinnati.  Marquette is 15-3 over their last 18 games...still think Florida is on a better roll?  

I also love how you claim Billy Donovan is such a fantastic coach.  But really, wasn't it the one recruiting class?  After back to back titles...how was missing the tourney for 2 consecutive years and then losing in the first round.  It seems to me that without his gem of a recruiting class, Donovan is a rather average coach. (Think Coach K would miss the tourney in consecutive years?)  

"Florida will not kill Marquette, but we will win by 8".....thank god you are aren't playing Tennessee again.   Im glad you expect to win this game....just know that Marquette is ranked...and Florida went 2-6 against teams that ended up ranked.  While I agree that on paper Florida had a very good team this year....names alone won't get you wins.  And this year...it seems your Gators are all talk...and no walk.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 19, 2012, 08:55:45 PM
Hold on here...I know I "only" went to Marquette, but is it just me or does his logic sound flawed?  First, he says that only two of MU's players scored on Saturday.  Then he says that they accounted for 55% of MU's scoring total.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that up there with saying

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And you lost to freaking Rutgers.  That's like losing to 8th seeded Butler as a two seed.  Oh... wait...

Good one.  Typing fast, but I was under the assumption that you would realize that I meant your two guys weren't the only ones that scored.    They scored 55% of your team's points, but there were others that scored - none of which reached double figures.

Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 19, 2012, 09:13:55 PM
Go away inbred.

Warriors

Inbred?  I am originally from the midwest and went to school in Florida.  Stayed down here.  Let's not get carried away.


A few items for the other guys here since I don't wish to respond to every question.  I assure you the Gators and Billy are taking Marquette seriously.  As a fan, I am taking you seriously.  I said we would win by 8.  It should be a solid game, a tough game, but I believe we will prevail.  That is not disrespectful, that is how I feel.  You have a good team or you wouldn't be this far.  However, in my opinion and those of others, you have two great players and then a bunch of young parts.  Of course it is easy to say shut down one of your two greats and that is all that has to happen.  It will not be easy.  We may not be able to do it.  At the very worse, I expect Billy to allow your two guys to get theirs but have to work at it and let someone else beat us.  Vander Blue cannot make a layup.  Seriously, I have never seen a guy shoot layups like him as a guard and it gives off a long rebound because it is such a brick.  My opinion.  The only guy I worry about is the big man down low in Gardener but can he last a whole game?  Can you defend our 3?

The other questions you asked.  We did lose to Rutgers in double overtime at Rutgers.  Rutgers beat Notre Dame at the RAC.  Did you beat Notre Dame?  :o 

Offensive and defensive efficiency?   :D  Our overall Pomeroy rating is 11.  You are at 17.  I could not care less about what goes into it, the final ranking is all that matters to me.  We have to play the likes of Vanderbilt and LSU who you lost to as well as this club named Kentucky, the overall #1 seed.  We lost to Kentucky last week by 3 points. 

It is true we live by the three and die by the three.  If we are shooting well, we will win.  If we are not shooting well, we likely lose.

Best of luck
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: The Process on March 19, 2012, 10:55:47 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
Good one.  Typing fast, but I was under the assumption that you would realize that I meant your two guys weren't the only ones that scored.    They scored 55% of your team's points, but there were others that scored - none of which reached double figures.



In fairness, you come from a school that worships Tim Tebow like a cult figure. It's not a leap to assume that logic isn't taught at Florida as a result.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 10:58:30 PM
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 19, 2012, 10:55:47 PM
In fairness, you come from a school that worships Tim Tebow like a cult figure. It's not a leap to assume that logic isn't taught at Florida as a result.

Some people do worship him.  So do a number of other people in this country.  Honest, wholesome young man that delivered championships.  Hard not to like someone like that, but there will always be haters.  We do appreciate your Dwyane Wade here in Miami.  He's a good peep that we can get behind.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: The Process on March 19, 2012, 11:02:23 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 10:58:30 PM
Some people do worship him.  So do a number of other people in this country.  Honest, wholesome young man that delivered championships.  Hard not to like someone like that, but there will always be haters.  We do appreciate your Dwyane Wade here in Miami.  He's a good peep that we can get behind.

One key difference: Wade has talent that translates to the pro game. Tebow can't even complete half his passes and is now being punted. Miami needs another bad quarterback... Why not him?
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: LovinCrowder on March 19, 2012, 11:03:30 PM
 You keep going back to the Pomeroy ratings....which is all fine and well.  Yes you are 11....we are 17.  But again...what was your record?  What was Marquette's?  I said it once and I stand behind it....Florida is a collection of overhyped players who underachieve.  To see them as anything more is being ignorant.  You also keep repeating how Marquette has only 2 players who can score.  But I again ask....how many did Tennessee have?  They had no one who could score and beat you twice.


I laugh at how you claim a close loss to Ky as being good....they still beat you three times.  0-3. So while your offensive and defensive ratings may say your 11th...your actual performance says you are much worse.  
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 19, 2012, 11:08:02 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 10:52:21 PM
Inbred?  I am originally from the midwest and went to school in Florida.  Stayed down here.  Let's not get carried away.


A few items for the other guys here since I don't wish to respond to every question.  I assure you the Gators and Billy are taking Marquette seriously.  As a fan, I am taking you seriously.  I said we would win by 8.  It should be a solid game, a tough game, but I believe we will prevail.  That is not disrespectful, that is how I feel.  You have a good team or you wouldn't be this far.  However, in my opinion and those of others, you have two great players and then a bunch of young parts.  Of course it is easy to say shut down one of your two greats and that is all that has to happen.  It will not be easy.  We may not be able to do it.  At the very worse, I expect Billy to allow your two guys to get theirs but have to work at it and let someone else beat us.  Vander Blue cannot make a layup.  Seriously, I have never seen a guy shoot layups like him as a guard and it gives off a long rebound because it is such a brick.  My opinion.  The only guy I worry about is the big man down low in Gardener but can he last a whole game?  Can you defend our 3?

The other questions you asked.  We did lose to Rutgers in double overtime at Rutgers.  Rutgers beat Notre Dame at the RAC.  Did you beat Notre Dame?  :o 

Offensive and defensive efficiency?   :D  Our overall Pomeroy rating is 11.  You are at 17.  I could not care less about what goes into it, the final ranking is all that matters to me.  We have to play the likes of Vanderbilt and LSU who you lost to as well as this club named Kentucky, the overall #1 seed.  We lost to Kentucky last week by 3 points

It is true we live by the three and die by the three.  If we are shooting well, we will win.  If we are not shooting well, we likely lose.

Best of luck

Really, does that say anything more than Kentucky got bored of playing you?
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: bdee29 on March 19, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
I heard Billy Donovan was going to sign a contract to coach the Magic on Wednesday night, then come back to coach UF on Thursday.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: GoMarquette32 on March 19, 2012, 11:22:45 PM
Florida did play in the mighty sec this year.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: GoMarquette32 on March 19, 2012, 11:25:36 PM
I love how this guy is using leverage of Kentucky. Just because there's one quality team in your conference and you play them a lot doesn't say squat about Florida. I just want vander to throw down on that ugly mo fo Murphy.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 11:38:08 PM
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 19, 2012, 11:02:23 PM
One key difference: Wade has talent that translates to the pro game. Tebow can't even complete half his passes and is now being punted. Miami needs another bad quarterback... Why not him?

One other key difference.  Tim won college championships.  Wade did not. 
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: dgies9156 on March 19, 2012, 11:39:40 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 10:52:21 PM


The other questions you asked.  We did lose to Rutgers in double overtime at Rutgers.  Rutgers beat Notre Dame at the RAC.  Did you beat Notre Dame?  :o 

Ummm, no. But I believe we beat Rutgers fairly convincingly.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 11:40:55 PM
Quote from: LovinCrowder on March 19, 2012, 11:03:30 PM
You keep going back to the Pomeroy ratings....which is all fine and well.  Yes you are 11....we are 17.  But again...what was your record?  What was Marquette's?  I said it once and I stand behind it....Florida is a collection of overhyped players who underachieve.  To see them as anything more is being ignorant.  You also keep repeating how Marquette has only 2 players who can score.  But I again ask....how many did Tennessee have?  They had no one who could score and beat you twice.


I laugh at how you claim a close loss to Ky as being good....they still beat you three times.  0-3. So while your offensive and defensive ratings may say your 11th...your actual performance says you are much worse.  

Your overall record is factored into the ratings, is it not?  Are you suggesting it is not? We will see come Thursday on a neutral court.  Great game, UF pulls away late to seal the deal.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 11:41:40 PM
Quote from: GoMarquette32 on March 19, 2012, 11:22:45 PM
Florida did play in the mighty sec this year.

A league that you went 1-2 against.   ;D
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 11:42:27 PM
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 19, 2012, 11:39:40 PM
Ummm, no. But I believe we beat Rutgers fairly convincingly.

At Marquette.  We beat Vanderbilt at our place.  How did you do against the Commodores?  :D
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Novak4Three on March 19, 2012, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: timinatorx3 on March 19, 2012, 07:22:03 PM
Shoot! Albert Gator has figured out what coaches of other teams have failed to figure out 27 other times this year - just stop DJO and Crowder. Let's hope he doesn't tell coach Donovan or we're done for!!

+1
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: GoMarquette32 on March 20, 2012, 12:16:27 AM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 11:41:40 PM
A league that you went 1-2 against.   ;D
You don't seem to understand that we had just lost our starting center and size that we usually don't have. We had to adjust to go small for the rest of the year and those two games showed it. But I'm curious, what is it that Tennessee had that Florida couldn't handle?
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 20, 2012, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 11:40:55 PM
Your overall record is factored into the ratings, is it not?  Are you suggesting it is not? We will see come Thursday on a neutral court.  Great game, UF pulls away late to seal the deal.

I hate to feed trolls, but we have some pretty good stat geeks on this site (and crackedsidewalks.com).  This quote is from last year (hence the UNC reference), but conveys the point pretty well - of why Florida's defense makes it a long shot for winning this game.

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2011/03/warriors-look-to-go-from-sweet-to-elite.html
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It's all about the defense
It is tough to look past the numbers.  Before the first round games, I looked into the defensive numbers for teams that win their first game, make the Sweet Sixteen, and advance to the Elite Eight.  The results were striking.  Over the past five tournaments, only 25% of teams with a defense as bad as Marquette's (#54) even won their first game.  Only 15% of those teams made it to the Sweet Sixteen.  Since 2007, only one team with a ranking worse than 50 has made it to the Elite Eight.  The average defensive ranking of Elite Eight teams is around 16.  UNC has the #7 defense this season.

Florida's defense is at #74 this year.  Marquette's is at #16.  Good luck.  You'll need it.

I think Rob has some updated numbers, but couldn't find them.  If you're lucky maybe he'll add them here.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Novak4Three on March 20, 2012, 12:35:41 AM
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Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: BM1090 on March 20, 2012, 12:45:15 AM
Florida is 0-2 against the Big East. At that rate they will never win a game against a Big East team ever again.

Marquette is 1-2 against the SEC. Last I checked, .3333333 > 0
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: MUsoxfan on March 20, 2012, 12:47:09 AM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 19, 2012, 10:52:21 PM
  Vander Blue cannot make a layup.  Seriously, I have never seen a guy shoot layups like him as a guard and it gives off a long rebound because it is such a brick. 

I vehemently disagree with all of your criticisms about MU except for this one
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 20, 2012, 12:07:29 PM
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on March 20, 2012, 12:45:15 AM
Florida is 0-2 against the Big East. At that rate they will never win a game against a Big East team ever again.

Marquette is 1-2 against the SEC. Last I checked, .3333333 > 0

We lost to your best team by 4 points in the Carrier Dome.  You lost to that same team in the Carrier Dome by 7 points and trailed by 20 at one point.

Keep underestimating us and our conference.  I love it.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: ErickJD08 on March 20, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 20, 2012, 12:07:29 PM
We lost to your best team by 4 points in the Carrier Dome.  You lost to that same team in the Carrier Dome by 7 points and trailed by 20 at one point.

Keep underestimating us and our conference.  I love it.

Who does Vegas say will win?  Just curious...
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: classof70 on March 20, 2012, 12:31:48 PM
From Gator:  "It is true we live by the three and die by the three.  If we are shooting well, we will win.  If we are not shooting well, we likely lose."  

I agree,  this will be the key.  I always worry when MU plays a good 3 point shooting team.  And, give the guy a break, he's posts are at least thoughtful and thought-provoking.  Some of the MU responses, sound like Tea Party members.  Civil discourse is good.  
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 20, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: ErickJD08 on March 20, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
Who does Vegas say will win?  Just curious...

You are naive to think Vegas picks winners.  They pick lines to drive betting.  That is all they do. 

Ken Pomeroy's site predicts Florida will beat Marquette despite Florida ranked below Marquette.  76-75 prediction.  I'll say 78 to 70 Gators
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 20, 2012, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: classof70 on March 20, 2012, 12:31:48 PM
From Gator:  "It is true we live by the three and die by the three.  If we are shooting well, we will win.  If we are not shooting well, we likely lose."  

I agree,  this will be the key.  I always worry when MU plays a good 3 point shooting team.  And, give the guy a break, he's posts are at least thoughtful and thought-provoking.  Some of the MU responses, sound like Tea Party members.  Civil discourse is good.  

I would say they sound more like liberal clap trap responses.  Some of the most uncivil people out there are liberals hiding behind a mask of tolerance.  Hypocrites.

Civil discourse is good.  Should be a great game.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: MUMac on March 20, 2012, 12:53:59 PM
Quote from: Albert Gator on March 20, 2012, 12:07:29 PM
We lost to your best team by 4 points in the Carrier Dome.  You lost to that same team in the Carrier Dome by 7 points and trailed by 20 at one point.

Keep underestimating us and our conference.  I love it.
Comparative scores are useless barometers - both ways.  Games played in November and December are even more useless to use to determine who has the advantage.  MU is a much different team than they were in December.  I suspect Florida is as well.

I think MU has many advantages over Florida.  Conversely, there are many things about Florida that concern me.  In the end, I believe MU will win.  But frankly, Florida concerns me. 

As Buzz said yesterday, seeds are useless in the Sweet 16.  Both teams deserved to be there and IMHO, the loser will be better than some of the teams that will left standing.

This will be a fun game.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: Albert Gator on March 20, 2012, 01:20:56 PM
Quote from: MUMac on March 20, 2012, 12:53:59 PM
Comparative scores are useless barometers - both ways.  Games played in November and December are even more useless to use to determine who has the advantage.  MU is a much different team than they were in December.  I suspect Florida is as well.

I think MU has many advantages over Florida.  Conversely, there are many things about Florida that concern me.  In the end, I believe MU will win.  But frankly, Florida concerns me. 

As Buzz said yesterday, seeds are useless in the Sweet 16.  Both teams deserved to be there and IMHO, the loser will be better than some of the teams that will left standing.

This will be a fun game.

On this we can agree.  Should be a fun game.

I am going to brush my one tooth right now, breathe through my mouth while doing it and hope that aliens don't abduct me.   ;D   Best of luck guys.
Title: Re: You want Motivation Marquette players and Buzz?
Post by: dgies9156 on March 20, 2012, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: MUMac on March 20, 2012, 12:53:59 PM
Comparative scores are useless barometers - both ways.  Games played in November and December are even more useless to use to determine who has the advantage.  MU is a much different team than they were in December.  I suspect Florida is as well.

I think MU has many advantages over Florida.  Conversely, there are many things about Florida that concern me.  In the end, I believe MU will win.  But frankly, Florida concerns me. 


Amen. I certainly don't want to be judged by the December Debacle that was the Vanderbilt game. I'm sure they have games they'd forget too!

As I've said several times already, "That's onnnnneeee MMMMEEEEEAAAANNNNN Gator we gotta get by!"

He's got sharp teeth and he's hungry, just like we are!
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