Last nights game showed the true lack of intelligence this team has. What's the definition of insanity? If I didn't know better I would think it was this team dribbling into a double team expecting something other than a turn over.
Friends - team's like Duke, UNC, Syracuse don't lose games like this because they use their mind's to make adjustments.
Marquette, and I have been watching since 2006, more often then not will not adjust their game and it KILLS us every (insert expletive time).
It leads me to wonder if Buzz needs to start looking more at someone's intelligence than entirely on skill (if you can even say Cadougan has skill)
25-7. Every freaking time, though!
Yes - I like 20+ wins, but us fans should know better.
At the end of the day you become an elite program by winning conference regular season championships, conference tourny championships, and deep runs in the NCAA.
We need to play a little more smart ball if that is going to occur. Stupid mistakes kill us.
Have you felt this way all year? Did you feel this way after our 10 game win streak to start the season? Or after our run of winning 12/13 consecutive Big East games? Or after a team with no functioning player taller than 6'7" figured out a way to play smart enough to get second place in the Big East?
Dude, we lost a game last night. That doesn't mean we are not intelligent. By the way, have you considered that teams like Duke, UNC and Syracuse don't lose as many games because they get 5 star recruits on an annual basis? Maybe that has something to do with it.
Not trying to rip you, but just pointing out that I feel this is another example of overreaction. Where's the levity? Our team has managed to keep their heads on straight all year and keep some perspective, why can't MU scoop do the same?
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:20:20 AM
Last nights game showed the true lack of intelligence this team has. What's the definition of insanity? If I didn't know better I would think it was this team dribbling into a double team expecting something other than a turn over.
Friends - team's like Duke, UNC, Syracuse don't lose games like this because they use their mind's to make adjustments.
Marquette, and I have been watching since 2006, more often then not will not adjust their game and it KILLS us every (insert expletive time).
It leads me to wonder if Buzz needs to start looking more at someone's intelligence than entirely on skill (if you can even say Cadougan has skill)
Anyone who could write this crap (UNC and Syracuse "use their minds to make adjustments", etc) is in no position to offer an opinion on someone else's intelligence.
Wow, a fan all the way back to 06 huh? ::)
4 posts. 4 of them negative.
This team didn't play smart basketball last night. That hasn't been the norm this season.
Athleticism matters!!!!
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:20:20 AM
Last nights game showed the true lack of intelligence this team has. What's the definition of insanity? If I didn't know better I would think it was this team dribbling into a double team expecting something other than a turn over.
Friends - team's like Duke, UNC, Syracuse don't lose games like this because they use their mind's to make adjustments.
Marquette, and I have been watching since 2006, more often then not will not adjust their game and it KILLS us every (insert expletive time).
It leads me to wonder if Buzz needs to start looking more at someone's intelligence than entirely on skill (if you can even say Cadougan has skill)
Wow, maybe you should interact with some of the players in person. Lack of Intelligence is not a problem with this group and basketball IQ is not a problem.
Duke 63 Ohio St 85 11-29-11
Duke 70 NC 88 3-3-12
NC 57 Fl St 90 1-14-12
Wait, I guess good, intelligent teams do have bad losses.
Obviously intelligence dosen't matter for message board posters
If someone told everyone on this board before the season that Marquette would do the things below, every single one of us would have signed up.
- be ranked 9th in the country on March 9th
- have a decent shot at a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament
- finish second in the Big East
- (all this despite losing their center for 75% of the season and their backup center for 33%)
- lose to Louisville in the third round of the Big East tournament
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
If someone told everyone on this board before the season that Marquette would do the things below, every single one of us would have signed up.
- be ranked 9th in the country on March 9th
- have a decent shot at a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament
- finish second in the Big East
- (all this despite losing their center for 75% of the season and their backup center for 33%)
- lose to Louisville in the third round of the Big East tournament
Very well said. I think our intelligence on this board is more of an issue than our teams intelligence on the court.
You're lying to yourself if you do not believe that this team has issues with making adjustments which I equate to intelligence.
Yes, we've done well this year, but we know what really matters - and I listed them. Championships & Deep NCAA run's.
We were down how many time's by 10+ points? C'mon man why were no adjustments made - lack of intelligence.
Its funny, you guys wants us to be an elite program, but get blinded by artificial things. 20+ wins, but an early out in the BE tourny and an early out in the NCAA is like your mother telling you you're good looking.
Last time I checked our season isn't over and we do fairly well when bouncing back from a loss, for example Georgetown. I ripped Cadougan last night for his play...but he will learn from last night. I guarantee that we swarm the boards and take care of the ball our first game of the NCAA tourney.
Mumichfan06- You call it "blinded by artificial things." I can it being realistic. You are right, we don't consistently make the final four, win national titles or make deep tourney runs. We aren't a truly elite program. But we are realistic and make the best of what we got. If you are dissapointed with anything less than a BET Title or a Final Four, then...well, I guess it sucks to be you. You aren't gunna be happy most years. Maybe you could become a UNC fan? Or a Duke fan? Maybe check back in 2018, but MU isn't going to be a consistent Final 4 team anytime too soon. Sorry bud
We all hope that. But my god we're allowed to point out problems and offer what we think are solutions.
We all want success and its fair to look at the program and critique area's for improvement.
QuoteWe all hope that. But my god we're allowed to point out problems and offer what we think are solutions.
We all want success and its fair to look at the program and critique area's for improvement.
Your a glass half empty guy aren't ya
Why can't we strive to be elite and make consistent deep runs? Win the BE tourney make a few consistent Elite 8's and better recruits will come. You're going to disagree with that?
I was taught to always want to be the best. I want MU to be the best. I'll never settle that we have to be an average program.
By the way, never ever ever reference me rooting for school like Duke or UNC - totally ridiculous on your part.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:51:27 AM
Why can't we strive to be elite and make consistent deep runs? Win the BE tourney make a few consistent Elite 8's and better recruits will come. You're going to disagree with that?
I was taught to always want to be the best. I want MU to be the best. I'll never settle that we have to be an average program.
By the way, never ever ever reference me rooting for school like Duke or UNC - totally ridiculous on your part.
You're probably the guy always picked last in sports and was just thankful...give me a break with the half empty b.s.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:43:38 AM
You're lying to yourself if you do not believe that this team has issues with making adjustments which I equate to intelligence.
Yes, we've done well this year, but we know what really matters - and I listed them. Championships & Deep NCAA run's.
We were down how many time's by 10+ points? C'mon man why were no adjustments made - lack of intelligence.
Its funny, you guys wants us to be an elite program, but get blinded by artificial things. 20+ wins, but an early out in the BE tourny and an early out in the NCAA is like your mother telling you you're good looking.
Actually, if you are going to blame adjustments, it technically should be Buzz, not the players. And to keep on coming back to the word intelligence I just find strange. Northwestern and Harvard are probably really smart teams and I would love to play them in the NCAA's.
UConn won the National Championship last year and may be prohibited from the NCAA due to poor class results. Do you really think Kentucky is the most intelligent team the country at No 1?
We all know these guys probably could add, subtract, or put together a coherent sentence. We're not talking ACT or SAT scores.
But they should be able to understand basketball strategy and if something isn't working how to change it.
Buzz does deserve some blame here too.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 09, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
UConn won the National Championship last year and may be prohibited from the NCAA due to poor class results.
Excellent counterpoint!
Fixed a few things for you, inserted comments on some others.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:20:20 AMLast nights game This thread showed the true lack of intelligence this team poster has. What's the definition of insanity? If I didn't know better I would think it was this team dribbling into a double team expecting something other than a turn over a guy showing up to troll just because the team lost one game.
Friends (who are you talking to, I don't think you have any here) - team's (did you mean to use the possessive?) like Duke (despite "dumb" losses to FSU and Miami), UNC (despite getting killed by FSU and a dumb loss to Duke...wtf was Zeller doing on Rivers' 3?), Syracuse don't lose games like this because they use their mind's (or maybe you meant a contraction with the word is...nope, still doesn't work) to make adjustments.
Marquette, and I have been watching since 2006 (oooh, 2006! Well, you've certainly seen it all), more often then not will not adjust their game and it KILLS us every (insert expletive time) (that's a fail of parenthetical usage).
It leads me to wonder if Buzz the moderators needs to start looking more at someone's intelligence than entirely on skill ability to fill out the online membership application (if you can even say Cadougan I has skill)
Buzz's teams always seem good for complete breakdown games 2-5 times a year. Just chuck it up, no d. I was impressed with how well the team rebounded after their slow start in BE play. Hopefully Buzz tightens things up going forward....games like UL, etc. are disturbing though, just in their Rucker park total lack of discipline quality.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
If someone told everyone on this board before the season that Marquette would do the things below, every single one of us would have signed up.
- be ranked 9th in the country on March 9th
- have a decent shot at a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament
- finish second in the Big East
- (all this despite losing their center for 75% of the season and their backup center for 33%)
- lose to Louisville in the third round of the Big East tournament
+1,000
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:25:11 AM
Yes - I like 20+ wins, but us fans should know better.
At the end of the day you become an elite program by winning conference regular season championships, conference tourny championships, and deep runs in the NCAA.
We need to play a little more smart ball if that is going to occur. Stupid mistakes kill us.
+10000
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:43:38 AM
You're lying to yourself if you do not believe that this team has issues with making adjustments which I equate to intelligence.
Yes, we've done well this year, but we know what really matters - and I listed them. Championships & Deep NCAA run's.
We were down how many time's by 10+ points? C'mon man why were no adjustments made - lack of intelligence.
Its funny, you guys wants us to be an elite program, but get blinded by artificial things. 20+ wins, but an early out in the BE tourny and an early out in the NCAA is like your mother telling you you're good looking.
+10000000000!!!!!
Brewcity - congratulations on accepting medocrity.
As fan's we can point out flaws and the basketball intelligence of this team is lacking.
Sorry for wanting the best for the program I root for.
You've only been a fan since 2006. You have know idea how far this program has come. If you think MU in general, and this team in particular, is not striving for those things you list (and well on their way to achieving them in the coming years), I don't know what to tell you.
If you don't think this team makes adjustments, how can you possibly explain us coming back from double digit deficits consistently this season?
Dude, that was a typo on my part.
I graduated in 2006. Started at MU 2002. Growing up in CA, I was exactly familiar with Marquette given their struggles in the '90's and distance from MKE.
I was there for the Final 4, saw a few lean years, loved Matthews, James, and McNeal, and supported this team.
Does it really matter if I have been a fan for only 10 years? Why does that even fit into the equations.
I'm really shocked at how big of kitten's some of you are. Do any of you work in sales? Play competitive sports? My god. We know that their is gamtime intelligence.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 09, 2012, 09:57:01 AM
Buzz's teams always seem good for complete breakdown games 2-5 times a year. Just chuck it up, no d. I was impressed with how well the team rebounded after their slow start in BE play. Hopefully Buzz tightens things up going forward....games like UL, etc. are disturbing though, just in their Rucker park total lack of discipline quality.
This seems right. We've seen it each of the last few years.
The amazing part is that MU was ready to take the lead near the end of the first half last night until Cadougan bricked a 23 footer that was the definition of ill-advised. Also remember that in the second half this was a four point game with 14 minutes to play.
All in all, with the unforced errors and poor play from the 1, MU still had the opportunity to turn this game at a couple points.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:20:20 AM
Last nights game showed the true lack of intelligence this team has. What's the definition of insanity? If I didn't know better I would think it was this team dribbling into a double team expecting something other than a turn over.
Friends - team's like Duke, UNC, Syracuse don't lose games like this because they use their mind's to make adjustments.
Marquette, and I have been watching since 2006, more often then not will not adjust their game and it KILLS us every (insert expletive time).
It leads me to wonder if Buzz needs to start looking more at someone's intelligence than entirely on skill (if you can even say Cadougan has skill)
Your not entirely wrong, and Buzz took the blame in the presser saying that 26 turnovers were on him.
In this game, and the ND game, I wish Buzz had made some in game adjustments, however, in his defense, I don't know if there was/is a magic pill that would have won those games for MU.
HOWEVER, your point about UNC, Duke, etc. is dumb and uniformed. Good teams lose sometimes. Sometimes its strategy, sometimes guys just have a bad night. Whatever the reasons are, you can't pretend like those schools magically do everything right, because they don't.
Your point about MU needing to make adjustments is valid. The rest of your post is naive and reactionary.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:43:38 AM
You're lying to yourself if you do not believe that this team has issues with making adjustments which I equate to intelligence.
This year's team leads the nation in coming back from double digit deficits. You do that by making adjustments. So by your template for intelligence, MU is the smartest team in D1 basketball this year. You, on the the other hand....
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:51:27 AM
I was taught to always want to be the best. I want MU to be the best. I'll never settle that we have to be an average program.
I've heard other people say stuff like this, and its never made sense to me.
You'll never settle? What are you going to do, go picket the AL and demand a refund?
If you are unhappy with the product, don't watch. Don't put yourself through it. Get a hobby that you can control, like model trains... then you don't have to "settle" because you are in control.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on March 09, 2012, 10:09:44 AM
This seems right. We've seen it each of the last few years.
The amazing part is that MU was ready to take the lead near the end of the first half last night until Cadougan bricked a 23 footer that was the definition of ill-advised. Also remember that in the second half this was a four point game with 14 minutes to play.
All in all, with the unforced errors and poor play from the 1, MU still had the opportunity to turn this game at a couple points.
Thats what I thought. 26 turnovers, and how poorly we played overall, especially defensive rebounding and we were still in the game the whole time.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on March 09, 2012, 10:10:15 AM
In this game, and the ND game, I wish Buzz had made some in game adjustments, however, in his defense, I don't know if there was/is a magic pill that would have won those games for MU.
I agree during the ND game there wasn't much we could do on defense. Last night, for an effective defense we needed to force Louisville to play half court offense but we went out of our way not to do that. I think the 10 point deficit made us think we had to press and force things. I also think the full-court defensive strategy was forced by our inability to score in the halfcourt ourselves. We could not get a shot up around the rim because of their shot blockers and we were not knocking down our 3 point shots. It was pick your poison. Louisville just beat us at our own game.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 10:04:31 AMBrewcity - congratulations on accepting medocrity. Hopefully, that rule doesnt apply to your wife.
As fan's we can point out flaws and the basketball intelligence of this team is lacking.
Sorry for wanting the best for the program I root for.
If you have read anything I've posted in the past 14 hours, you would see that I am not accepting mediocrity. I don't think anyone is more upset about last night's loss than I am.
Second, do not bring my family into this. I repeat, DO NOT BRING MY FAMILY INTO THIS. That has nothing to do with anything on this site. It is uncalled for and completely and utterly classless. You can attack me, you can libel me all over the web, but leave my family out of it.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
If someone told everyone on this board before the season that Marquette would do the things below, every single one of us would have signed up.
- be ranked 9th in the country on March 9th
- have a decent shot at a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament
- finish second in the Big East
- (all this despite losing their center for 75% of the season and their backup center for 33%)
- lose to Louisville in the third round of the Big East tournament
Well, lets be fair. We are not the only team to suffer injuries. In addition, the third round of the BE tourney is overstating it a bit. Excluding the double bye, we were winless. Huge difference
It's not overstating it. It's a fact. It is, however, misleading, as you alluded to.
It begs the question, though: Would you have rather we finished ninth in conference and won 2 games to reach the third round, or finished second and got the double bye to the third round?
just a little lesson to increase the OP's intelligence: When you want to make something plural (more than 1 of something) you often add an "s." When you want to make something possessive (I own this thing) you often add an apostrophe-s ('s).
We are not kitten's, though we may be kittens. We have not been down by 10 multiple time's, but we may have been down by 10 multiple times.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on March 09, 2012, 01:32:28 PM
just a little lesson to increase the OP's intelligence: When you want to make something plural (more than 1 of something) you often add an "s." When you want to make something possessive (I own this thing) you often add an apostrophe-s ('s).
We are not kitten's, though we may be kittens. We have not been down by 10 multiple time's, but we may have been down by 10 multiple times.
Thanks lawwarrior for the lesson. Since MUMICH06 wants to be the best and won't settle for less, I'm sure he appreciates the lesson as we all know that intelligence matters. Maybe MUMICH06 can now flog himself for his error and show his intelligence by not letting it happen again.
Seriously, we can expect a lot, but we are fans and not on the team. Give the kids a break. To say they lack intelligence based upon the game last night, is taking it too far for many of us. That may be the problem with your post and hence the negative reaction to it. They are in the midst of a very solid season, and like almost all teams, there will be a few bad games along the way. Since Georgetown had trouble with our press all game, I suppose they lack intelligence in your book as well. Northwestern sure must have lacked intelligence in your book a couple of times this year. I wonder if Harvard didn't adjust to a defense this year? I bet they had a game where they didn't....
God damn, I love college basketball!!
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:20:20 AM
Last nights game showed the true lack of intelligence this team has. What's the definition of insanity? If I didn't know better I would think it was this team dribbling into a double team expecting something other than a turn over.
Friends - team's like Duke, UNC, Syracuse don't lose games like this because they use their mind's to make adjustments.
Marquette, and I have been watching since 2006, more often then not will not adjust their game and it KILLS us every (insert expletive time).
It leads me to wonder if Buzz needs to start looking more at someone's intelligence than entirely on skill (if you can even say Cadougan has skill)
It does matter. You're dumb.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 09, 2012, 02:32:15 PM
It does matter. You're dumb.
+100000000
/GOMU85
Quote from: tommyc6 on March 09, 2012, 02:20:20 PM
God damn, I love college basketball!!
Imagine this place if we had a football team.
I feel another discussion of gerunds is about to break out!
Having said that, since we are apparently incapable of making any in game adjustments, what happened in the 1st Louisville game? When we came back from being down 18-2. Did Louisville get even dumber than us suddenly? Or, did they make some sort of negative adjustment?
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 10:08:01 AM
Dude, that was a typo on my part.
I graduated in 2006. Started at MU 2002. Growing up in CA, I was exactly familiar with Marquette given their struggles in the '90's and distance from MKE.
I was there for the Final 4, saw a few lean years, loved Matthews, James, and McNeal, and supported this team.
Does it really matter if I have been a fan for only 10 years? Why does that even fit into the equations.
I'm really shocked at how big of kitten's some of you are. Do any of you work in sales? Play competitive sports? My god. We know that their is gamtime intelligence.
dude, you followed it up with three more typos.
you brought up how you'd been a fan since 2006. don't blame other people for your frack ups.
the fact that we went to the final 4 in your sophomore year does matter. it shows that you don't have the same perspective as someone who was watching in the 80s and 90s.
Calling people hairy wet cats because they don't agree with you?... I like it!
Are you in sales because you aren't selling your argument well at all, but you are also being a dick so it's hard to tell.
Don't bring the invisible man in the sky into this he, might break out his magic powers for the first time in 2000 years or .2 seconds (depending on who you talk to).
please fix typos.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 10:08:01 AM
Dude, that was a typo on my part.
I graduated in 2006. Started at MU 2002. Growing up in CA, I was exactly familiar with Marquette given their struggles in the '90's and distance from MKE.
I was there for the Final 4, saw a few lean years, loved Matthews, James, and McNeal, and supported this team.
Does it really matter if I have been a fan for only 10 years? Why does that even fit into the equations.
I'm really shocked at how big of kitten's some of you are. Do any of you work in sales? Play competitive sports? My god. We know that their is gamtime intelligence.
Fix all of this and I won't question your intelligence.
First 11 posts ranting about the team's intelligence. Mmmmmm, I love the taste of irony.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 10:08:01 AM
Dude, that was a typo on my part.
I graduated in 2006. Started at MU 2002. Growing up in CA, I was exactly familiar with Marquette given their struggles in the '90's and distance from MKE.
I was there for the Final 4, saw a few lean years, loved Matthews, James, and McNeal, and supported this team.
Does it really matter if I have been a fan for only 10 years? Why does that even fit into the equations.
I'm really shocked at how big of kitten's some of you are. Do any of you work in sales? Play competitive sports? My god. We know that their is gamtime intelligence.
No, but we competitively post, and posts like yours are big fat fastballs right down the middle of the plate.
I'm not really surprised that you seem to have taken your ball and gone home.
What a dork! Go Marquette!
Tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,
Quote from: Mumichfan06
Why can't we strive to be elite and make consistent deep runs? Win the BE tourney make a few consistent Elite 8's and better recruits will come. You're going to disagree with that?
I was taught to always want to be the best. I want MU to be the best. I'll never settle that we have to be an average program.
By the way, never ever ever reference me rooting for school like Duke or UNC - totally ridiculous on your part.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:52:40 AM
You're probably the guy always picked last in sports and was just thankful...give me a break with the half empty b.s.
How can we go three pages in a thread about intelligence and not mention that the OP appears to quote/rip on himself in the same post?
What bothers me about the team that may speak to their lack of intelligence is some players have been making the same mistakes all year. DJO and Vander in particular have been out of control a few times a game. They have probably accounted for 3/4 of our player control turnovers (charges). There are ways to drive more under control, where the opposition is less able to take a charge, but they are still insistent on putting their head down and driving, trying to force things.
Quote from: Mumichfan06 on March 09, 2012, 09:43:38 AM
We were down how many time's by 10+ points? C'mon man why were no adjustments made - lack of intelligence.
I'm guessing when MU was getting off to slow starts and coming back to win you thought it was because they were too dumb to start strong. Now they get down in one game and can't come back and they are too dumb to make an adjustment. I don't believe you can have it both ways....MU made many adjustments to come back in games when they were down 10+ points...which based upon your argument probably makes MU one of the most intelligent teams in the NCAA.