After watching the first half of the WV game, I was wondering how MU is going to score points next year? I do see Gardner being an important piece to that puzzle
with Wilson and Blue upfront, but the X factor is Mayo or Taylor? Are they good enough to take the place of DJO. I do not see it in Mayo yet, but he will be much improved
next year, how much improved is the key question? Cadougan should be scoring more as a senior. Enjoy this year, next year will be good but not as much fun as this year to
watch.
I can see what
you are trying to say but
Buzz's teams will always
be able to put the ball
in the basket.
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Just a quick guess, not including incoming players:
Junior 8
D Wilson 2
Mayo 12
Blue 10
Jones 4
Anderson 4
J Wilson 12
Otule 6
Gardner 12
= 70 pts / game
Quote from: monkeyman34 on February 27, 2012, 10:24:34 AM
Just a quick guess, not including incoming players:
Junior 8
D Wilson 2
Mayo 12
Blue 10
Jones 4
Anderson 4
J Wilson 12
Otule 6
Gardner 12
= 70 pts / game
Looks like 'cuse this year ;)
I was thinking about this yesterday as well. I think Junior not being in was the main missing piece from the offense in that first half. The difference between him and D-Will is night and day. Starters will be Jamil, Junior, Otule, and Blue. What happens at the 3 is a question mark, maybe well go three guard with Junior, Van,and Todd. I think the offense will be fine. I see Jamil taking a huge leap, Blue taking a leap, and Junior as well. Of the 2 X factors I think it will be TJ Taylor. I think we have a guy that will be alot like DJO coming in. He looks to have a good stroke from 3, and can drive. It even looks from some of his highlights that he likes to drive 1 v. 4 like Blue and have a turnover. I think next year will be a good year for us, and I think Vander and Junior will be the main reasons for that.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2012, 10:18:24 AM
After watching the first half of the WV game, I was wondering how MU is going to score points next year?
Don't underestimate Cadougan as a facilitator. Having him, plus Gardner, plus improvement from the others and we should be fine.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on February 27, 2012, 10:24:18 AM
On the other hand, why
do you find it necessary
to try to self format your
posts
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Honestly, it has been pointed out to him repeatedly, but I have no idea why he has to stick returns into his posts instead of just letting them wrap. I mean, word processors have been around for 30 years now???
Not worried at all. Vander is starting to show he can put the ball in the hoop, even if he isn't a refined jump-shooter. Mayo and Gardner can both score the basket. Jamil Wilson can score from just about anywhere on the floor, even if he isn't as consistent yet as a DJO or Jae. Junior can get to the rack and will likely be even better at it next year.
Then there are two other guys...I expect TJ Taylor could have a DJO-type impact on the program from day one. He looks like a DJO clone, can score inside and out, and has had a year of competitive hoops to prime himself for Marquette. And I expect a big jump from Juan Anderson. Maybe he won't put up mass points, but I think he'll be able to do a bit of everything and probably get 5-8 ppg along the way.
We will score. We always score.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 27, 2012, 10:28:20 AM
Don't underestimate Cadougan as a facilitator. Having him, plus Gardner, plus improvement from the others and we should be fine.
Agreed. In one sense, I definitely understand the concern as DJO and Jae are studs, and we do look ugly without them in there, but the roles of players will change and somehow we will find a way to score a lot of points like we always do. I think Junior becomes a scorer next year as well.
Quote from: monkeyman34 on February 27, 2012, 10:24:34 AM
Just a quick guess, not including incoming players:
Junior 12
D Wilson 2
Mayo 9
Blue 12
Jones 2
Anderson 2
J Wilson 15
Otule 5
Gardner 13
Edited with a guess at scores. I also think both Taylors could come in and give us between 5-6 points each.
Just checked out the scholarship table....I'm seriously concerned about the 2014-15 season.
I'm pretty sure somebody will step up into Jae and DJO's roles next year, but instead of worrying about next season I'm going to enjoy this one.
Quote from: jhags15 on February 27, 2012, 10:27:57 AM
I was thinking about this yesterday as well. I think Junior not being in was the main missing piece from the offense in that first half. The difference between him and D-Will is night and day. Starters will be Jamil, Junior, Otule, and Blue. What happens at the 3 is a question mark, maybe well go three guard with Junior, Van,and Todd.
I would be shocked if we don't have a three guard line up with Vander, Otule, Jamil, Junior and either Mayo or TJ Taylor. they are going to need a deep threat in this lineup, and I feel much better about Taylor and Mayo than I do about Jones or Juan filling that role.
Nobody is mentioning Jake! I think Jake will legitimately get some minutes.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 27, 2012, 10:35:26 AM
Agreed. In one sense, I definitely understand the concern as DJO and Jae are studs, and we do look ugly without them in there, but the roles of players will change and somehow we will find a way to score a lot of points like we always do. I think Junior becomes a scorer next year as well.
Edited with a guess at scores. I also think both Smith and Taylor could come in and give us between 5-6 points each.
Smith?
Yeah, who is Smith?
Quote from: jhags15 on February 27, 2012, 10:37:42 AM
Nobody is mentioning Jake! I think Jake will legitimately get some minutes.
I agree, but only if he is the shooter we are hearing he is. I also think one of the "switchables" not named Wilson takes a big step - i.e., Juan Anderson, Jamail Jones or Jamal Ferguson. My bet is on Anderson after gaining more strength so he's not pushed around on the ball as much.
Quote from: Aughnanure on February 27, 2012, 10:40:15 AM
My bet is on Anderson after gaining more strength so he's not pushed around on the ball as much.
I think (hope?) Anderson's ceiling is becoming the next Jimmy Butler. I'd be fine with that after 4 years.
Quote from: jhags15 on February 27, 2012, 10:39:44 AM
Yeah, who is Smith?
That is Durley's nickname, the "Big Smith"...expecting a double, double there for sure.
Quote from: jhags15 on February 27, 2012, 10:39:44 AM
Yeah, who is Smith?
Woops. Don't know what I was typing. Meant the 2 Taylors (TJ and Steve).
Quote from: jhags15 on February 27, 2012, 10:37:42 AMNobody is mentioning Jake! I think Jake will legitimately get some minutes.
I could see him playing a similar, if somewhat lessened, role to what Novak did as a freshman. Spot-up shooter getting 8-10 mpg and averaging 5-8 ppg in the process. With all our quickness and the mismatches we create, there would be plenty of opportunity for a guy who can sit just outside the arc and absolutely drill it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 10:46:03 AM
I could see him playing a similar, if somewhat lessened, role to what Novak did as a freshman. Spot-up shooter getting 8-10 mpg and averaging 5-8 ppg in the process. With all our quickness and the mismatches we create, there would be plenty of opportunity for a guy who can sit just outside the arc and absolutely drill it.
Not to beat a dead horse, but I would be amazed if he has anything but a bit role next year.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2012, 10:48:40 AMNot to beat a dead horse, but I would be amazed if he has anything but a bit role next year.
I know there's a lot of (well...a bit of) debate as to what Thomas' role might be, but the kid is the best shooter Marquette has had since Novak. He doesn't have to run the fast break, he just has to bet from the defensive end to 1/3 of the way down the offensive end and put the ball in the air if he's open.
Defensive liability? Sure. All-around player? Heck no. But he is a weapon. Honestly, in our offense, with the way our guys can draw defenders, Thomas could end up shooting 60% from 3. He'd always be open.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 10:52:13 AM
I know there's a lot of (well...a bit of) debate as to what Thomas' role might be, but the kid is the best shooter Marquette has had since Novak. He doesn't have to run the fast break, he just has to bet from the defensive end to 1/3 of the way down the offensive end and put the ball in the air if he's open.
Defensive liability? Sure. All-around player? Heck no. But he is a weapon. Honestly, in our offense, with the way our guys can draw defenders, Thomas could end up shooting 60% from 3. He'd always be open.
No one's shooting 60%. But I agree, I don't think he'll be the defensive liability people are assuming he will be (Wisky plays good D, dont they?) and he looks more athletic than we are giving him credit for.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2012, 10:48:40 AM
Not to beat a dead horse, but I would be amazed if he has anything but a bit role next year.
I'd love to see him come out and be a mini-Novak, but my hunch is similar to Sultan's. Although, I'd also like to predict that he'll hit a few threes in garbage time of a non-conf game and posters will go nuts calling for him to see the floor for the next couple weeks.
As far as scoring goes, Jamil seems to be next in line to take over the Zar/Butler/Jae role. He can score the basketball and will likely get 6-8 points/game on put-backs or dishes alone. I expect him to double his current scoring average next season.
I look at next year's team and the last think I worry about is scoring. Let's look at the guys who are coming back next year who have had big games. DG, JWil, Mayo, Blue, Cadougan. All are a year older and theoretically a year better. The scoring will be fine.
Hope Steve Taylor can give us some minutes as well.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 10:52:13 AM
I know there's a lot of (well...a bit of) debate as to what Thomas' role might be, but the kid is the best shooter Marquette has had since Novak.
Now why do people say this? He was a 38.8% 3 point shooter his two years at South Dakota. That puts him behind the likes of Maurice Acker, DJO and Travis Diener.
I have been concerned every year with what will happen after seniors graduate because we have had such strong seniors. That being said, I think Wilson has potiential to be 15-20 ppg player. I think Garnder has potiential to be 15-20 ppg player. And I think Blue has potiential to be 15-20 ppg player. I think Jones will be better and I think Anderson will probably look great off the bench as well as Mayo. If players progress normally and we have one contributing freshmen, I think we will be pretty solid.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2012, 11:07:52 AM
Now why do people say this? He was a 38.8% 3 point shooter his two years at South Dakota. That puts him behind the likes of Maurice Acker, DJO and Travis Diener.
He's a white 6'2" shooting guard who got a D1 basketball scholarship out of HS. How could he not be a great shooter?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2012, 10:48:40 AM
Not to beat a dead horse, but I would be amazed if he has anything but a bit role next year.
I think he'll have a small role and it will be sporadic depending on the match-ups (similar to Gardner before the Otule injury).
MU will be great on the primary and secondary fast break next year. However, in the 1/2 court, they could struggle. Jake and Gardner might be the best 1/2 court pure scoring options (especially when most of the other players are slashers and streaky shooters).
If Mayo/Taylor/Vander/Junior become decent 3pt threats, then Jake will ride the pine. If those guys all shoot 25%, Jake is going to get minutes because we will see a ton of 2-3 zone again.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2012, 11:07:52 AMNow why do people say this? He was a 38.8% 3 point shooter his two years at South Dakota. That puts him behind the likes of Maurice Acker, DJO and Travis Diener.
A couple reasons. One, because I've watched him shoot. Watched his stroke, his form, his range, and his accuracy. And what he shot at South Dakota has nothing to do with what he'll shoot here. He was on a team where he was the focal point of the defense, or at least one of the top two. Here, he will be the fifth option almost every time he's on the floor. Part of the reason Novak could be so effective as a freshman (shooting 51%) was because the defense had to account for Wade, Diener, and R-Jax. That often left him open. That will be the case for Thomas next year.
I'm not saying he'll play the role that Acker, DJO, or Diener did for us. But I do think he's a better spot-up shooter than any of them, and have little doubt that he'll get less defensive attention than any of them did as well.
I think Steve Taylor is going to be a better college player then High School. If you look at his High School, (Simeon) he plays second fiddle to Jabari Parker and maybe even 3rd fiddle considering you have Kendrick Nunn there as well. Steve Taylor reminds me of a Jae Crowder. He has size at 6'8" and he can score inside and out. I think that he will have a big impact next year as Jamil's backup.
Quote from: esard2011 on February 27, 2012, 12:19:55 PM
I think Steve Taylor is going to be a better college player then High School. If you look at his High School, (Simeon) he plays second fiddle to Jabari Parker and maybe even 3rd fiddle considering you have Kendrick Nunn there as well. Steve Taylor reminds me of a Jae Crowder. He has size at 6'8" and he can score inside and out. I think that he will have a big impact next year as Jamil's backup.
He reminds me more of Jamil, with his length, than he does Jae. And yeah, I would not be surprised if he gets minutes next year.
Just from seeing Jake at Midnight Madness, the guy can shoot.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2012, 10:31:52 AM
Honestly, it has been pointed out to him repeatedly, but I have no idea why he has to stick returns into his posts instead of just letting them wrap. I mean, word processors have been around for 30 years now???
So,
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Maybe
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horizontally
challenged.
What
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huh?
I dont think it is hard to imagine us being a less powerful team offensively next year. yes guys will step up but we are losing two supremeely talented offensive players.
With that said I think Mu can be a real tuff out again next year, because I feel we will have our best defensive team that we have had since 1994 next year.
We will almost assuredly not score as many but if we can not allow the other team to score as many we can once again be really good. i think if this team really buys into a defensive concept and avoids the "we can just outscore" teams as we saw against Rutgers ans at other times. If we can do that I think we ca still be real good.
Take the defensive metality of a team Like Pittsburgh has ( before this year) and use our size and tougness to win games 68-58 night in and night out is going to need to be the approach. the size toughness and defensive abilty is there.
Quote from: wildbill sb on February 27, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
So,
where's
the
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Maybe
the
guy
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horizontally
challenged.
What
about
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huh?
I like that, curious, is that how my emails come through? I do not know.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2012, 02:00:27 PM
I like that, curious, is that how my emails come through? I do not know.
Well these are not emails....these are postings. And yes that is how they look. Just stop hitting "enter" after every line and let the sentences wrap themselves.
thank you
Quote from: ErickJD08 on February 27, 2012, 11:18:00 AM
I have been concerned every year with what will happen after seniors graduate because we have had such strong seniors. That being said, I think Wilson has potiential to be 15-20 ppg player. I think Garnder has potiential to be 15-20 ppg player. And I think Blue has potiential to be 15-20 ppg player. I think Jones will be better and I think Anderson will probably look great off the bench as well as Mayo. If players progress normally and we have one contributing freshmen, I think we will be pretty solid.
Agree with this.
Maybe the only difference heading from previous seasons is we will not have a proven scorer/shooter back.
When we lost Wade, we still had Diener. When we lost Diener, we still had Novak. When we lost Novak, we still had the Amigos. When we lost the Amigos, we still had Lazar. When we lost Lazar, we still had Jimmy and DJO. When we lost Jimmy, we still had Jae and DJO. In all of the above, the replacements were already established as scorers/shooters.
We will be operating on the potential of guys to go from 8 ppg to mid-double-digits, or in Gardner's case for him to be in the kind of shape to give us more minutes. Plus, might actually need a freshman to hit some shots the way Mayo did a couple months ago.
It'll be fun to watch how it develops. In the meantime, I'm enjoying 2011-12 to worry too much about next season yet!
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 11:29:08 AM
what he shot at South Dakota has nothing to do with what he'll shoot here. He was on a team where he was the focal point of the defense, or at least one of the top two.
DJO is the focal point of defenses in the big east and he's shooting better.