//http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7581434/bpi-feb-16-college-basketball-power-index-rankings
I like how ESPN questions the accuracy of the RPI system and introduces the Basketball Power Index that has SLU at #9 and Memphis at #17 (and MU behind both at #18, the NERVE!). Perhaps, this post was driven by MU's ranking, but Memphis and SLU ahead of us is ludicrous.
Quote from: windyplayer on February 16, 2012, 09:54:34 AM
I like how ESPN questions the accuracy of the RPI system and introduces the Basketball Power Index that has SLU at #9 and Memphis at #17 (and MU behind both at #18, the NERVE!). Perhaps, this post was driven by MU's ranking, but Memphis and SLU ahead of us is ludicrous.
ESPN is in the enviable position of the only source of sports news on TV. They get to make the news, and it is repeatedly revealed that that power is going to their heads. I hope that a competitor pops up soon.
They are basically trying to steal Pomeroy's thunder.
Added: http://kenpom.com/ (http://kenpom.com/) Compare the two...they are eerily similar.
They got all giddy over how well the Total QBR worked out, what with Tebow ranked ahead of Aaron Rodgers at least one week this season.
ESPN has become the evil monster roving the plains. I use to watch SC all the time, I can't remember the last time I turned on ESPN that didn't involve watching a game.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 16, 2012, 09:56:18 AM
ESPN is in the enviable position of the only source of sports news on TV. They get to make the news, and it is repeatedly revealed that that power is going to their heads. I hope that a competitor pops up soon.
ESPN sucks. They have ruined two of the best sport stories lately (Tebow & Lin) with their over-the-top coverage. Once they decide to go all in on a subject, you see the full power of their empire.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 16, 2012, 10:15:34 AM
ESPN sucks. They have ruined two of the best sport stories lately (Tebow & Lin) with their over-the-top coverage. Once they decide to go all in on a subject, you see the full power of their empire.
I still watch ESPN fairly often. At the end of the day, they have the best coverage of all sports by far.
Quote from: windyplayer on February 16, 2012, 11:34:47 AM
I still watch ESPN fairly often. At the end of the day, they have the best coverage of all sports by far.
For highlights of previous sporting events....yes.
For in-depth analysis....they are long on wind and short on substance.
For breaking news....they are pathetic.
For hype....they are fantastic.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 16, 2012, 11:38:56 AM
For highlights of previous sporting events....yes.
For in-depth analysis....they are long on wind and short on substance.
For breaking news....they are pathetic.
For hype....they are fantastic.
I watch for the highlights or if I'm looking for mindless TV.
Sportscenter used to be "sports news" and highlights (with some entertaining commentary.
Now, it's more like Entertainment Tonight. It has some highlights, but it spends a lot of time with interviews and special pieces (like Tebow, or Lin, or Lebron etc.).
ESPN News are more like the original Sportscenter.
Also, with internet video getting so much better, SC has to come up with compelling reasons for people to watch. If it's just for highlights, people can get that online whenever they want.
I'll just leave this here...
(http://i.imgur.com/HfSNo.png)
+1
That picture sums up almost every issue I have with the World Wide Leader.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 16, 2012, 11:38:56 AM
For highlights of previous sporting events....yes.ESPN
For in-depth analysis....they are long on wind and short on substance.Fan sites or blogs
For breaking news....they are pathetic.Twitter
For hype....they are fantastic.Talk Radio or ESPN
This just in courtesy of ESPN, LeBron tweeted he wouldn't rule out returning to the Cavaliers in his career! He only has 4 1/2 years left on his contract, let's start keeping track of where he'll sign next right now!
ESPN's two biggest human interest hype stories in the past 6 months have been...
A quarterback who thanks God after a good game
and
An unregarded basketball player who catches fire with a good couple of games.
I'm gonna pull an A Time to Kill and ask you to "Now imagine (they're Black)."
It's very hard to argue that ESPN treats either as a sensational story if the athlete is African-American, but of course, when someone like Floyd Mayweather points this out, he is the one who is "controversial."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/14/sport/sport-nba-lin-knicks/?hpt=us_c2
Letting Craig Kilborn go was simultaneously the smartest and dumbest thing ESPN ever did. Discuss.
This table does a nice job of showing the differences between BPI, RPI, Ken Pom and others
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7579732/ncaa-providing-glimpse-selection-process
Quote from: Benny B on February 16, 2012, 02:09:23 PM
Letting Craig Kilborn go was simultaneously the smartest and dumbest thing ESPN ever did. Discuss.
Kilby was too big for ESPN. Both good and bad.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on February 16, 2012, 02:04:58 PM
ESPN's two biggest human interest hype stories in the past 6 months have been...
A quarterback who thanks God after a good game
and
An unregarded basketball player who catches fire with a good couple of games.
I'm gonna pull an A Time to Kill and ask you to "Now imagine (they're Black)."
It's very hard to argue that ESPN treats either as a sensational story if the athlete is African-American, but of course, when someone like Floyd Mayweather points this out, he is the one who is "controversial."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/14/sport/sport-nba-lin-knicks/?hpt=us_c2
to be fair no African-American ever did what Jeremy Lin did in his 1st 5 starts, or any NBA player for that matter. So it isn't like black people do it all the time like Mayweather stated, that being said I never watch ESPN unless Marquette is playing...it's the worst
Quote from: windyplayer on February 16, 2012, 09:54:34 AM
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I like how ESPN questions the accuracy of the RPI system and introduces the Basketball Power Index that has SLU at #9 and Memphis at #17 (and MU behind both at #18, the NERVE!). Perhaps, this post was driven by MU's ranking, but Memphis and SLU ahead of us is ludicrous.
ESPN's BPI ranking was developed by Dean Oliver, author of "Basketball on Paper", inventor of Offensive Ratings/Defensive Ratings, and the Four Factors. Everything on Pomeroy's site was done by Dean Oliver first. I wouldn't just casually dismiss it.
We can now return back to ESPN bashing and what Skip Bayless thinks about Jeremy Lin's haircut.
granted I'm nothing but a blind, unabashed Detroit fan, but I think that Ndomukong Suh would have a legitimate defamation case against ESPN and the NFL following his 'stomp' (on an arm, not a helmet) that didn't even make a man flinch, you have Robison on the Vikings repeatedly kicking a guy in the balls, Erik Walden beating the crap out of his wife, but those things aren't bad I guess, right?
hell, the NFL ran an article on its homepage the day of the Lions v Broncos, and termed it Good vs. Evil... because that's what a nonpartisan professional sports league should be doing - http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/10/nflcom_declares_denver_broncos.html
the evidence Suh has to claim is summed up in this ESPN article from Feb 8th... http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7553866/ndamukong-suh-detroit-lions-fourth-forbes-most-disliked-list
The headline was about SUH BEING 4th ON THE LIST... I guess who cares who is 1, 2, and 3, as long as we can continue to hurt a young man's open market value!
the key quote from the article: "Suh, who four months ago led a Forbes poll of the most-liked players in the NFL with an appeal score of 71 percent, placed fourth on an overall list of most-disliked athletes with a score of 51 percent disliked, according to the magazine."
I'm pretty sure the only ones who have the power to deface a man's career on that scale are ESPN and circle-jerk buddy Goodell and the NFL... Goodell doesn't like that a player is standing in the way of this becoming a touch football league, so he goes to ESPN to take Suh down a few notches
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on February 16, 2012, 04:03:02 PM
I'm pretty sure the only ones who have the power to deface a man's career on that scale are ESPN and circle-jerk buddy Goodell and the NFL... Goodell doesn't like that a player is standing in the way of this becoming a touch football league, so he goes to ESPN to take Suh down a few notches
Hate to be 'that guy,' but I'm fairly certain that Suh himself has the most power to drop his popularity ranking. The obvious lying and backtracking he did in the interviews afterwards didn't help his public popularity... especially after everyone watched his blow-ups with their own eyes on Thanksgiving.
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on February 16, 2012, 04:03:02 PM
granted I'm nothing but a blind, unabashed Detroit fan, but I think that Ndomukong Suh would have a legitimate defamation case against ESPN and the NFL following his 'stomp' (on an arm, not a helmet) that didn't even make a man flinch, you have Robison on the Vikings repeatedly kicking a guy in the balls, Erik Walden beating the crap out of his wife, but those things aren't bad I guess, right?
hell, the NFL ran an article on its homepage the day of the Lions v Broncos, and termed it Good vs. Evil... because that's what a nonpartisan professional sports league should be doing - http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/10/nflcom_declares_denver_broncos.html
the evidence Suh has to claim is summed up in this ESPN article from Feb 8th... http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7553866/ndamukong-suh-detroit-lions-fourth-forbes-most-disliked-list
The headline was about SUH BEING 4th ON THE LIST... I guess who cares who is 1, 2, and 3, as long as we can continue to hurt a young man's open market value!
the key quote from the article: "Suh, who four months ago led a Forbes poll of the most-liked players in the NFL with an appeal score of 71 percent, placed fourth on an overall list of most-disliked athletes with a score of 51 percent disliked, according to the magazine."
I'm pretty sure the only ones who have the power to deface a man's career on that scale are ESPN and circle-jerk buddy Goodell and the NFL... Goodell doesn't like that a player is standing in the way of this becoming a touch football league, so he goes to ESPN to take Suh down a few notches
Is there anything that ESPN reported not true? Bias does not equal libel. Libel means that it was untrue, harmful and intentionally so. While it could be argued that it was intentionally harmful, the fact that they are reporting the truth (however biased it might be) is the ultimate defense.
Quote from: Benny B on February 16, 2012, 02:09:23 PM
Letting Craig Kilborn go was simultaneously the smartest and dumbest thing ESPN ever did. Discuss.
Yambo: Battle of Franken-Stein beats Linsanity hands down.
As bad as ESPN is, most gyms (where I catch nearly all of my sports "news") in the Boston area show only ESPN and NESN. I gag every time I try to watch NESN with all the ball gargling they do over the area teams.
I think ESPN is going to be in for a rude awakening one of these days. Someone will launch a competitor and right now there are definitely cracks in the armor:
-NFL hosed them on the tv rights deal for Monday night as well as killing PrimeTime. There is some weakness someone like NBC could exploit.
-If you add up the shadiness in the following stories: Penn State, Syracuse, Ryan Braun, and Mike Leach/Craig James.....there is some serious judgement issues on display.
-They've become a screaming head network who are much more interested in ridiculous story angles then they are about reporting sports news.
I don't think they will go down in flames, but I definitely now is the time for a competitor to strike and see if they can't get a chuck by presenting an alternative to the bloated empire that is ESPN.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 17, 2012, 09:54:53 AM
I think ESPN is going to be in for a rude awakening one of these days. Someone will launch a competitor and right now there are definitely cracks in the armor:
-NFL hosed them on the tv rights deal for Monday night as well as killing PrimeTime. There is some weakness someone like NBC could exploit.
-If you add up the shadiness in the following stories: Penn State, Syracuse, Ryan Braun, and Mike Leach/Craig James.....there is some serious judgement issues on display.
-They've become a screaming head network who are much more interested in ridiculous story angles then they are about reporting sports news.
I don't think they will go down in flames, but I definitely now is the time for a competitor to strike and see if they can't get a chuck by presenting an alternative to the bloated empire that is ESPN.
Especially since ESPN is the most expensive network, by far, for cable companies to carry. I would think that cable companies would welcome a little competition. The one thing that would be tough to compete on is live sports. Disney/ESPN spend asstons of money to lock down a lot of games. Nobody doesn't want ESPN in their cable package.
For those that haven't seen it, Newsweek recently had an interesting article on the ESPN empire. Reprinted here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/01/15/espn-is-bigger-than-ever-and-that-might-not-be-a-good-thing.html
As much as I find them an annoying ego-driven hype machine, I admit to watching a lot of ESPN. Hard for me to hate them as they've done wonders for college basketball and have played a major role in making Marquette University a nationally recognized brand.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 17, 2012, 09:54:53 AM
I think ESPN is going to be in for a rude awakening one of these days. Someone will launch a competitor and right now there are definitely cracks in the armor:
-NFL hosed them on the tv rights deal for Monday night as well as killing PrimeTime. There is some weakness someone like NBC could exploit.
-If you add up the shadiness in the following stories: Penn State, Syracuse, Ryan Braun, and Mike Leach/Craig James.....there is some serious judgement issues on display.
-They've become a screaming head network who are much more interested in ridiculous story angles then they are about reporting sports news.
I don't think they will go down in flames, but I definitely now is the time for a competitor to strike and see if they can't get a chuck by presenting an alternative to the bloated empire that is ESPN.
I agree, but the problem is content. Remember when ESPN used to carry women's billiards weekday afternoons? Or trick shot pool? or bowling?
Now the day is filled with "sports news" programs and opinions from EVERYBODY. Why do I care about Tim Hasselback's opinions in Feb? I don't. He shouldn't be on TV at this time of year.
Apparently, those type of programs get better ratings than billiards, so ESPN does a TON of them.
If you start another network, are you going to cover women's billiards again? Are you going to have skip bayless on 6 hours a day?
This is the same problem facing the "news" networks. They are fantastic when there is a real global story (9/11, kim jong ill, Gaddafi, etc.)
(Like ESPN during the Big East tournament)
They are awful when news is slow. It becomes less about news coverage and more about "creating content" to fill 24 hrs of programing.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on February 17, 2012, 11:08:52 AM
I agree, but the problem is content. Remember when ESPN used to carry women's billiards weekday afternoons? Or trick shot pool? or bowling?
Now the day is filled with "sports news" programs and opinions from EVERYBODY. Why do I care about Tim Hasselback's opinions in Feb? I don't. He shouldn't be on TV at this time of year.
Apparently, those type of programs get better ratings than billiards, so ESPN does a TON of them.
If you start another network, are you going to cover women's billiards again? Are you going to have skip bayless on 6 hours a day?
This is the same problem facing the "news" networks. They are fantastic when there is a real global story (9/11, kim jong ill, Gaddafi, etc.)
(Like ESPN during the Big East tournament)
They are awful when news is slow. It becomes less about news coverage and more about "creating content" to fill 24 hrs of programing.
This is where I miss Chicos opinions because of his sports and television background. My sense is you are dead on right. ESPN is not in for any rude awakening as mu03eng suggests because no one can match the content they control. It's all about the content and NBC, CBS, FOX Sports are so far behind in terms programming multiple channels 24 hours a day that ESPN is going to remain the king.