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Title: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: 🏀 on February 13, 2012, 11:53:07 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/60

February 13th Update:

Three seed out of Columbus against Davidson. Ohio State waiting for us the second weekend.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2012, 11:56:18 AM
This would be a juicy draw.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on February 13, 2012, 11:57:36 AM
8 B10 teams in. 5 of 8 a 4 seed or higher. jeez
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: wadesworld on February 13, 2012, 12:04:05 PM
Kentucky wouldn't have to sweat until the Elite Eight.  I think their 2nd round matchup would be a tougher game than their Sweet 16 matchup would be.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: Bob "Big Daddy" Wild on February 13, 2012, 12:13:21 PM
He has us as 11th overall on his S curve FYI.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2012, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2012, 12:04:05 PM
Kentucky wouldn't have to sweat until the Elite Eight.  I think their 2nd round matchup would be a tougher game than their Sweet 16 matchup would be.

Wisconsin is the type of team that could give UK fits. That game would put people to sleep.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: 🏀 on February 13, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: socrplar125 on February 13, 2012, 11:57:36 AM
8 B10 teams in. 5 of 8 a 4 seed or higher. jeez

It'll be the Big Ten's year to crap the bed.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: MisterJaylenBrownMU on February 13, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
That GTown draw is a dream.  Drexel to gain some momentum, Temple/K-State in second round, undersized Michigan State in the Sweet Sixteen (or, I suppose, Virginia or Harvard if there's an upset), and undersized Missouri in the Elite Eight (or, I suppose, Louisville? San Diego State? Illinois? Mississippi State?).

Not to mention Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight games in St. Louis.  Where do I sign up?
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: wadesworld on February 13, 2012, 12:28:01 PM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 13, 2012, 12:19:02 PM
Wisconsin is the type of team that could give UK fits. That game would put people to sleep.

Gonzaga is the type of team that seems to knock Wisconsin earlier than expected every single year.  A mid-major team who loves to play slow and ugly and does it better than the Badgers.  Although the teams that Wisconsin has lost to have typically had one star and a good supporting cast (Krueger at UNLV, Curry at Davidson, and Mack at Butler) while Gonzaga seems to be a more balanced team.  That would be an interesting, and boring, matchup of 2 teams I almost always pick to lose earlier than expected.

Quote from: marqptm on February 13, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
It'll be the Big Ten's year to crap the bed again.

Fixed.  0 teams in the Elite Eight last year.  Embarrassing...

Quote from: MisterDMU on February 13, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
That GTown draw is a dream.  Drexel to gain some momentum, Temple/K-State in second round, undersized Michigan State in the Sweet Sixteen (or, I suppose, Virginia or Harvard if there's an upset), and undersized Missouri in the Elite Eight (or, I suppose, Louisville? San Diego State? Illinois? Mississippi State?).

Not to mention Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight games in St. Louis.  Where do I sign up?

Michigan State is the one team that I would actually be afraid to play from the B1G this year.  They're really good and Izzo is one of the best NCAA Tournament coaches ever.  They're almost always ready to go come March.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: 🏀 on February 13, 2012, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2012, 12:28:01 PM
Gonzaga is the type of team that seems to knock Wisconsin earlier than expected every single year.  A mid-major team who loves to play slow and ugly and does it better than the Badgers.  Although the teams that Wisconsin has lost to have typically had one star and a good supporting cast (Krueger at UNLV, Curry at Davidson, and Mack at Butler) while Gonzaga seems to be a more balanced team.  That would be an interesting, and boring, matchup of 2 teams I almost always pick to lose earlier than expected.

Fixed.  0 teams in the Elite Eight last year.  Embarrassing...

Big Ten skated by as the BE stained the sheets earlier.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: wadesworld on February 13, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 13, 2012, 12:30:04 PM
Big Ten skated by as the BE stained the sheets earlier.

True.  But the BE did have 2 teams that were knocked out by other BE teams in the 2nd ("3rd" technically, I suppose) round, a situation that no other conference had to face.  Plus the 11th place BE team winning it all made up for the failures of other BE teams in the tournament last year.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: 🏀 on February 13, 2012, 12:35:09 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
True.  But the BE did have 2 teams that were knocked out by other BE teams in the 2nd ("3rd" technically, I suppose) round, a situation that no other conference had to face.  Plus the 11th place BE team winning it all made up for the failures of other BE teams in the tournament last year.

I agree with you, just saying the Big East crap was widely reported. Let the Big Ten have that shitlight this year.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
MSU would not be a fun draw for Gtown. Green and Payne own the boards.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: MisterJaylenBrownMU on February 13, 2012, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 13, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
MSU would not be a fun draw for Gtown. Green and Payne own the boards.

I'll give you Green.  Ridiculous rebounder for his size, although I think he'd have less of an impact against Jae because he can't leave him open on the perimeter.  Even still, in a tournament game you can count on Green pulling down at least 10.

Payne, though, is averaging 4.1 rebounds a game.  Given our current size, everyone is a good rebounder against us, but even Vander is a more prolific rebounder than Payne.  I'd be MUCH more worried about Zeller, Sullinger, or the Plumlees.

Any 2 seed you draw is a tough matchup in some respect, but I'll take MSU over OSU, Duke, or UNC. 
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: boblawblog on February 13, 2012, 01:00:20 PM
I think if we win out we become a 2 seed. especially if we go to the BE champ game
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on February 13, 2012, 01:03:06 PM
If we win out and avoid an upset in our first game of the BEAST tourney, I think you are probably right.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: CTWarrior on February 13, 2012, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
True.  But the BE did have 2 teams that were knocked out by other BE teams in the 2nd ("3rd" technically, I suppose) round, a situation that no other conference had to face.  Plus the 11th place BE team winning it all made up for the failures of other BE teams in the tournament last year.

We were the 11th place team in the Big East last year and I don't recall us winning it all.  But your point is well taken.  When people were moaning about the Big East getting 11 bids last year, the only team you could really site as maybe not deserving a bid was us, and we went to the sweet 16.  UConn finished 9th last year.

The rest of the Big East really stunk it up and our disastrous tourney is highlighted by the teams that lost before seed would dictate (Syracuse 3 to an 11, Louisville 4 to a 13, Georgetown 6 to an 11 and were not competitive, Notre Dame 2 to a 10 and were not competitive, Pittsburgh 1 to an 8, St. John's 6 to an 11 and not competitive).  

Three teams play to seed (Villanova lost as a 9 to an umpressive 8 (George Mason lost the next game by 32), Cincinnati lost to UConn 6 to a 3, and West Virginia lost a good game to Kentucky 5 to a 4).

Only Marquette and UConn played better than seed and we lost some credit for being utterly embarrassed by UNC.

So you can see why the BE had an awful tournament.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: bilsu on February 14, 2012, 10:55:00 AM
Villanova should not of got a bid. They lost their last 5 games and were not playing well before that. Georgetown also was in the tank, because their best player broke his wrist. I can understand giving Georgetwon a bid due to their body of work and the fact they indicated the player might be able to play. However, without that player they were not an NCAA calibur team. Villanova simply should not of gotten a bid.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 14, 2012, 11:07:04 AM
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 13, 2012, 01:31:59 PM
We were the 11th place team in the Big East last year and I don't recall us winning it all.  But your point is well taken.  When people were moaning about the Big East getting 11 bids last year, the only team you could really site as maybe not deserving a bid was us, and we went to the sweet 16.  UConn finished 9th last year.

The rest of the Big East really stunk it up and our disastrous tourney is highlighted by the teams that lost before seed would dictate (Syracuse 3 to an 11, Louisville 4 to a 13, Georgetown 6 to an 11 and were not competitive, Notre Dame 2 to a 10 and were not competitive, Pittsburgh 1 to an 8, St. John's 6 to an 11 and not competitive).  

Three teams play to seed (Villanova lost as a 9 to an umpressive 8 (George Mason lost the next game by 32), Cincinnati lost to UConn 6 to a 3, and West Virginia lost a good game to Kentucky 5 to a 4).

Only Marquette and UConn played better than seed and we lost some credit for being utterly embarrassed by UNC.

So you can see why the BE had an awful tournament.

As others have stated elsewhere, MU finished tied for ninth in the big East last year.  11 was only our seeding for the Big East tournament.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: CTWarrior on February 14, 2012, 11:18:22 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 14, 2012, 11:07:04 AM
As others have stated elsewhere, MU finished tied for ninth in the big East last year.  11 was only our seeding for the Big East tournament.

Understand but we were easily the 11th team in the mind of the committee (lowest BE seed by 2 seeds).  Agree that Nova was the worst Big East team in the tournament by Selection Sunday.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread - 2/20 Update
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Lunardi has is at a three seed playing Belmont in Louisville. Missouri and OSU are the 1 and 2 seeds.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread - 2/20 Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 20, 2012, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: PTM on February 20, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Lunardi has is at a three seed playing Belmont in Louisville. Missouri and OSU are the 1 and 2 seeds.

Looks like he has us in Columbus now.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 20, 2012, 12:02:07 PM
Also we would be in Saint Louis should we advance to the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on February 20, 2012, 12:07:53 PM
I'd hate that draw...FSU has similar length to LSU, and a lot of guys that could give us a lot of trouble. They play great defense and wouldn't be put off by our speed...that'd be a brutal second round. And even if they were upset, Long Beach State would be a tough draw. I'd expect us to win, but they have the ability to play with anyone (single digit losses to SDSU, UNC, Kansas, and Creighton).

Ohio State is also a team I don't want to see. They're very, very good, and we don't have an answer for Sullinger up front. Looking across that bracket, I'd say we'd be in the toughest regional.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 20, 2012, 12:13:51 PM
Give me OSU all day. Davante and Jae can get Sulinger in foul trouble. Buford is actually the one who scares me. If hes on, that is when they are tough to beat.

Id be fine with a crack at them in a sweet 16 game.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: ErickJD08 on February 20, 2012, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 20, 2012, 12:13:51 PM
Give me OSU all day. Davante and Jae can get Sulinger in foul trouble. Buford is actually the one who scares me. If hes on, that is when they are tough to beat.

Id be fine with a crack at them in a sweet 16 game.

I would rather not touch OSU.  Sulinger could also get Jae into foul trouble.  And you are assuming that we actually get Davante back in time to get back into shape.  When OSU is on, I think they are the best team out there.  Remember, they completely dismantled Duke. 
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 20, 2012, 12:26:55 PM
Completely dismantled Duke at home, where they usually never lose.

Lost at Illinois.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: ErickJD08 on February 20, 2012, 12:22:28 PM
I would rather not touch OSU.  Sulinger could also get Jae into foul trouble.  And you are assuming that we actually get Davante back in time to get back into shape.  When OSU is on, I think they are the best team out there.  Remember, they completely dismantled Duke. 
I am seeing a different Jae as of late.  One that realizes a foul is more valuable to keep than giving up a basket.  His defense has been good, but limiting the slapping at the ball or overly aggressive foul that he would get earlier in the season.  Looks to me like the staff has worked with him and he get's it.  Similar to what I saw with Lazar in Buzz' first year.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2012, 12:07:53 PM
I'd hate that draw...FSU has similar length to LSU, and a lot of guys that could give us a lot of trouble. They play great defense and wouldn't be put off by our speed...that'd be a brutal second round.

Not sure if you and I are looking at the same thing. I see first game vs. Belmont, second vs. New Mexico-Washington, Sweet 16 likely vs. Ohio State and regional title game likely vs. Missou.

I don't want to face Florida State, either, but I don't see them here.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on February 20, 2012, 12:46:45 PM
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
Not sure if you and I are looking at the same thing. I see first game vs. Belmont, second vs. New Mexico-Washington, Sweet 16 likely vs. Ohio State and regional title game likely vs. Missou.

I don't want to face Florida State, either, but I don't see them here.

Couldn't MU not be set-up to play Washington in the 2nd Round because it would be a re-match of a regular season game? I believe that's a rule similar to how conference teams can't play until the Sweet 16 (unless a conference is so dominant that they get 11 bids and the selection committee wants to weed them out).
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
Not sure if you and I are looking at the same thing. I see first game vs. Belmont, second vs. New Mexico-Washington, Sweet 16 likely vs. Ohio State and regional title game likely vs. Missou.

I don't want to face Florida State, either, but I don't see them here.
It changed.  Now FSU is the 2nd round match up.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 12:49:21 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 20, 2012, 12:46:45 PM
Couldn't MU not be set-up to play Washington in the 2nd Round because it would be a re-match of a regular season game? I believe that's a rule similar to how conference teams can't play until the Sweet 16 (unless a conference is so dominant that they get 11 bids and the selection committee wants to weed them out).

I thought that is a "preference" and not a hard and fast rule.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on February 20, 2012, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 12:49:21 PM
I thought that is a "preference" and not a hard and fast rule.

After doing 30 seconds of research, apparently the conference match-ups used to be a rule but is no longer. Not sure about the re-match though.

From our friends at Wikipedia:
Teams are spread out according to conference. The first three teams selected from each conference must be placed in different regions. When a conference has more than three teams in the tournament, the committee tries to seed the teams so that they cannot meet until the regional final. Before 2006, this was an absolute rule. However, in the summer of 2005, the NCAA changed its rules to allow intraconference matchups as early as the second round of the tournament, assuming all measures to keep the teams apart until the regional finals have been exhausted.

Obviously they didn't exhaust all measures last year but clearly I missed the meeting where it was no longer a rule.  ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: copious1218 on February 20, 2012, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 12:47:35 PM
It changed.  Now FSU is the 2nd round match up.

You sure?  I have Florida State as a 4 seed in Portland in Lunardi's bracket on my computer. 
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: Ant on February 20, 2012, 01:03:33 PM
Quote from: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 12:47:35 PM
It changed.  Now FSU is the 2nd round match up.

I think you and Brewcity are looking at the February 13th link. I am seeing Belmont, winner of New Mexico/Washington and OSU as the 2 seed.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 20, 2012, 01:14:34 PM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 20, 2012, 12:26:55 PM
Completely dismantled Duke at home, where they usually never lose.

Lost at Illinois.

Duke is not that good.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: MUMac on February 20, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: Ant on February 20, 2012, 01:03:33 PM
I think you and Brewcity are looking at the February 13th link. I am seeing Belmont, winner of New Mexico/Washington and OSU as the 2 seed.
Yep.  My bad.  After I read the post, I clicked on the first link in this thread.  Previously, I had clicked on the 2nd link.  Didn't realize my error until your comment.  Thanks for the correction!
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on February 20, 2012, 06:13:26 PM
Big Ten always finds a way to get in the Elite 8 or Final Four.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 20, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 20, 2012, 06:13:26 PM
Big Ten always finds a way to get in the Elite 8 or Final Four.

So let MSU be that team then.
Title: Re: 2012 Joey Brackets Thread
Post by: BM1090 on February 20, 2012, 07:20:52 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 20, 2012, 06:13:26 PM
Big Ten always finds a way to get in the Elite 8 or Final Four.

Not last year.
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