Mitch McGary dropped all the way down to #21 in the newest rankings. Steve Taylor is 85th...I don't recall what he was before the newer rankings but I feel like he was ranked higher than that. I don't know if they updated 2013 as well but FWIW Burton is 35th there.
Steve Taylor is getting murdered at that ranking. Best player in Illinois by a longshot.
Rankings always make me laugh. I believe Taylor was around 65 in the last rankings. So in that time, 25 players just somehow vaulted ahead of him while Taylor is the second best player for the top-ranked team in Illinois and top-10 in the nation?
Really tough to look at player rankings when neither Davante Gardner nor Todd Mayo were even CLOSE to ranked in the top 100.
Quote from: marqptm on January 24, 2012, 11:55:06 AMSteve Taylor is getting murdered at that ranking. Best player in Illinois by a longshot.
Agreed. I expected him to be top-50 based on recent reports. I think his rankings are suffering playing alongside Parker. I'm still confident it won't have a negative impact on what he does here starting next year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 24, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
Agreed. I expected him to be top-50 based on recent reports. I think his rankings are suffering playing alongside Parker. I'm still confident it won't have a negative impact on what he does here starting next year.
Before someone rips you for this, I completely agree.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 24, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
Agreed. I expected him to be top-50 based on recent reports. I think his rankings are suffering playing alongside Parker. I'm still confident it won't have a negative impact on what he does here starting next year.
I think Steve Taylors production or lack of it against Findley Prep dropped him down, right or wrong. One lackluster performance on national TV is what tips rankings, just like the recent performance by a college team.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 24, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
Agreed. I expected him to be top-50 based on recent reports. I think his rankings are suffering playing alongside Parker. I'm still confident it won't have a negative impact on what he does here starting next year.
I'm a big fan of Taylor's and I definitely see him getting 20+ minutes next year.
Maybe it's one of those infamous anti-MU biases where his stock dropped once he committed to MU. Probably would've skyrocketed if he signed with Indiana.
Quote from: RJax55 on January 24, 2012, 12:36:35 PM
I'm a big fan of Taylor's and I definitely see him getting 20+ next year, but I don't know if he starts. I'm assuming that Wilson moves into the starting line-up and Buzz continues with the 3 guard look.
I think you guys are misreading brew's comment. I don't want to speak for him, but I read it just that Taylor will be productive, beginning immediately with next year.
Houston has 2 in the top 100( One in the top 20). I'm impressed. It would be good for the Big East if they can continue to recruit well..
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 24, 2012, 12:40:21 PM
I think you guys are misreading brew's comment. I don't want to speak for him, but I read it just that Taylor will be productive, beginning immediately with next year.
Just reread Brew's post... You're right, my bad.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 24, 2012, 12:40:21 PM
I think you guys are misreading brew's comment. I don't want to speak for him, but I read it just that Taylor will be productive, beginning immediately with next year.
Yeah, I'm reading that again and think "starting" meant "beginning." Still, I believe Taylor starts at some point next year. I expect to see a lot of three-forward sets for Marquette in 2012-13, consisting of any combination of J. Wilson/S. Taylor, Gardner, Otule.
Steve Taylor dropped to 21 SF, Jamal Ferguson dropped to 53 SF, Durley 59 Centers and Nolan 30 PF, and Burton stayed
the same at 35 overall. Taylor has had a great year besides one bad showing at Hoophall Tourny, and I heard he was sick.
ESPN only updates twice a year and most times they probably don't eveen see the kid in person.
Quote from: strotty on January 24, 2012, 12:44:51 PM
Yeah, I'm reading that again and think "starting" meant "beginning." Still, I believe Taylor starts at some point next year. I expect to see a lot of three-forward sets for Marquette in 2012-13, consisting of any combination of J. Wilson/S. Taylor, Gardner, Otule.
Starting did mean beginning ;D
But I can see how it was misconstrued.
Quote from: marqptm on January 24, 2012, 11:55:06 AM
Steve Taylor is getting murdered at that ranking. Best player in Illinois by a longshot.
Better than J Parker?..........By a longshot?
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 24, 2012, 01:35:05 PM
Better than J Parker?..........By a longshot?
Did I miss Jabari in the ESPN 2012 recruit rankings?
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 24, 2012, 01:35:05 PM
Better than J Parker?..........By a longshot?
Parker is class of 2013.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 24, 2012, 01:35:05 PMBetter than J Parker?..........By a longshot?
Taylor is probably 3rd if you include Parker and Okafor, but he is the best 2012 by a longshot.
Yeah, I know.
When you said Steve Taylor was the best player in Illinois, didn't know if you were qualifying that as best Senior in illinois or as the best player in Illinois. My bad.
Durley (#64 center, 82 grade, 2 star) was about where I figured. Ferguson (#61 SF, 88 grade, 2 star) was a bit of a disappointment. Hope the Taylors are ready to help next year.
Where was Wade ranked?
JP Tokoto jumps to #65. I believe he was one slot behind Taylor in the last ranking.
When I watched highlights of Ferg from last week, the 1st thing that jumps out at me is that the shots that he makes and moves that he makes will be just as effective Vs College player's as High school.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 24, 2012, 03:05:22 PM
Where was Wade ranked?
Gibbons had Wade at #55 with a bullet (not in his previous top 100). He didn't play much AAU so he didn't make many rankings, but he did have a HUGE senior year at Richards High (just outside of Chicago). I saw him put up 40 in back to back games in a tournament in Chicago his senior year. It was clear to all of us who watched him that day he'd be a star. He couldn't play as a freshman, but dominated Wardle and the rest of the varsity players in practice from day one and in pick up games he wowed the Bucks players.
Hey moderators, think there would be any traction to adding a separate posting category for recruit talk.- ie current season posts separated from the future stuff. Just an idea
Quote from: CAGASS24 on January 24, 2012, 03:29:18 PM
Hey moderators, think there would be any traction to adding a separate posting category for recruit talk.- ie current season posts separated from the future stuff. Just an idea
It was tried a year or two ago and it didn't go great. Recruiting stuff still ended up in here and the recruiting forum was just 2 dudes circlejerking.
Durley still listed as #64 at center. Not bad for a bench sitter. I don't expect an instant impact from him, but I do like the building blocks there.
Quote from: tower912 on January 24, 2012, 03:40:43 PM
Durley still listed as #64 at center. Not bad for a bench sitter. I don't expect an instant impact from him, but I do like the building blocks there.
I dont care if he was the 200th best center, he has HEIGHT which we desparately need.
http://www.ihigh.com/vypewest/gallery_67801.html?articleid=101634
The player standing up is Cam Ridley 6-10 245 to give you some perspective.
Apparently, Durley has already discovered the weight room. Nice guns for an 18 year old.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 24, 2012, 02:05:23 PM
Taylor is probably 3rd if you include Parker and Okafor, but he is the best 2012 by a longshot.
Taylor is the best '12 by a longshot because the rest of that class does not have any high major players.
In '13 you have Parker, Nunn, and assuming a healthy Hamilton return all top 25/30 prospects.
In '14 you have Okafor, Alexander, and a few others who will be rated highly when it all shakes out...like top 25 rated.
Saying Taylor is the best player in Illinois may set unfair expectations with fans IMO. That being said, he is going to be really good for us...just not Derrick Rose/Anthony Davis good.
I SURE hope nobody is totally going to use this somewhat arbitrary ranking system to over-inflate expectations, and when said unrealistic expectations aren't met, post multiple threads unfairly ripping these players, who are 18-20 year old student athletes.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on January 24, 2012, 03:56:41 PM
http://www.ihigh.com/vypewest/gallery_67801.html?articleid=101634
The player standing up is Cam Ridley 6-10 245 to give you some perspective.
holy cow! the kid is HUGE - and not in a gardner way
National rankings are extremely difficult. They make for interesting discussion, but as I've said before, as someone who ranks kids in just one state (Wisconsin), I can't imagine doing it for all 50.
ESPN is a good source, but remember, it had Davante Gardner as a 2-star recruit with a rating of 88.
Steve Taylor's 4-star status and 92 rating are much higher, for what it's worth.
In the end, nothing really matters until the guys get on campus and start playing and practicing.
Quote from: tower912 on January 24, 2012, 04:10:05 PM
Apparently, Durley has already discovered the weight room. Nice guns for an 18 year old.
I'd hope so. Not much to do in the desert when you're a 12 year old in a 25 year old's body.