Had all of 2 points and 1 board last nite. ::)
Better than DNP-Coach's Decision
With Otule up for two more years, expect Juco. Win win
This is why we need to keep signing players.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 07, 2012, 06:27:29 PM
With Otule up for two more years, expect Juco. Win win
Juco or Prep?
So then we will still have a whooooping 1 player over 6'7 next year, yippie!
Quote from: Warrior1969 on January 07, 2012, 06:39:24 PM
So then we will still have a whooooping 1 player over 6'7 next year, yippie!
Nah. Otule, Gardner and Taylor (6ft8). So far.....
So what? While Durley's over 6'7" he sure doesn't seem to be much of a player. If he found the court next year, something's terribly wrong.
Quote from: MUMac on January 07, 2012, 06:30:49 PM
Juco or Prep?
Juco as he is a qualifier. Can come out at 1 or 2. More PT at Juco for him as Prep is 3 thru 5 star nonqualifiers who will take the PT at Prep which he needs. Plus Buzz the Juco connections to steward him.
If he goes JUCO he will fall off the map. Buzz should sign Branch now.
Quote from: ecompt on January 07, 2012, 06:49:23 PM
If he goes JUCO he will fall off the map. Buzz should sign Branch now.
+1. Sign effing Branch. If Buzz can't close this deal, there's a problem.
Am I missing something? Why did we sign a kid who can barely get in the game for his high school team? I understand he is huge, but it doesn't seem like he is going to provide any value to a team that is built to run offensively and plays a defense that even the "studs" on the team can't get right when it comes to rotations. Where does he fit into the program? I haven't seen him play and maybe the guy starting over him is a freak who can go the entire game without tiring and just dominates, but I just can't see how he fits into a team that plays like Buzz says ours wants to play.
Quote from: ecompt on January 07, 2012, 06:49:23 PM
If he goes JUCO he will fall off the map. Buzz should sign Branch now.
That is the point. He will have time to develop and Buzz has flexibility. Kid needs PT, and with Otule back for 6, our needs shift.
Quote from: tommyc6 on January 07, 2012, 07:00:33 PMAm I missing something? Why did we sign a kid who can barely get in the game for his high school team? I understand he is huge, but it doesn't seem like he is going to provide any value to a team that is built to run offensively and plays a defense that even the "studs" on the team can't get right when it comes to rotations. Where does he fit into the program? I haven't seen him play and maybe the guy starting over him is a freak who can go the entire game without tiring and just dominates, but I just can't see how he fits into a team that plays like Buzz says ours wants to play.
Because also on his team is Cameron Ridley, a consensus top-ten prospect that plays center. The coach is pretty much enamored with Ridley (and who wouldn't be?) which means Durley only gets minutes when they are really killing someone. Durley was impressing enough in AAU to get interest from us and a few other high-majors, so I wouldn't panic over his HS time.
His coach is so into Ridley that he isn't giving any time to Durley? That seems odd that if Durely is good enough to go to a Big East school, the coach wouldn't find some way to have both of them on the floor at the same time. It seems like a wet dream come true for a high school coach to have two D-1 centers.
Quote from: tommyc6 on January 07, 2012, 07:23:39 PM
His coach is so into Ridley that he isn't giving any time to Durley? That seems odd that if Durely is good enough to go to a Big East school, the coach wouldn't find some way to have both of them on the floor at the same time. It seems like a wet dream come true for a high school coach to have two D-1 centers.
Only one center plays at a time. And Ridley is going to play all the time.
Why play Jim McIlvaine if Shaq is on your team?
His coach says that he is better than Otule was at the same point and likes MU because of the job they did developing Chris when he wasn't injured. Check Amal's high school stats. He never played, either. By the time he was a junior, he was a stud. Durley is big. Lets see what the coaches can do with him over a couple of years before we write him off.
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2012, 09:42:46 PM
His coach says that he is better than Otule was at the same point and likes MU because of the job they did developing Chris when he wasn't injured. Check Amal's high school stats. He never played, either. By the time he was a junior, he was a stud. Durley is big. Lets see what the coaches can do with him over a couple of years before we write him off.
I had brought up Amal in a previous thread about Durley. I recall, many at the time were perplexed by O'Neill offering him a scholarship (that was pre-MUScoop). O'Neill saw something in him. Buzz see's something in Durley. Time will tell.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 07, 2012, 07:06:37 PM
Because also on his team is Cameron Ridley, a consensus top-ten prospect that plays center. The coach is pretty much enamored with Ridley (and who wouldn't be?) which means Durley only gets minutes when they are really killing someone. Durley was impressing enough in AAU to get interest from us and a few other high-majors, so I wouldn't panic over his HS time.
I would argue that practicing against Cameron Ridley each day in practice is
a lot more valuable than what most HS centers of his size get playing in games against severely undersized competition, so I'm totally with brewcity77 on this one.
Quote from: MUMac on January 07, 2012, 09:47:37 PM
I had brought up Amal in a previous thread about Durley. I recall, many at the time were perplexed by O'Neill offering him a scholarship (that was pre-MUScoop). O'Neill saw something in him. Buzz see's something in Durley. Time will tell.
Like Durley, McCaskill showed his stuff on the AAU circuit. I think that the things that I read about McCaskill and why he was offered was the first time I became aware of how important AAU was to evaluating players.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 07, 2012, 07:06:37 PM
Because also on his team is Cameron Ridley, a consensus top-ten prospect that plays center. The coach is pretty much enamored with Ridley (and who wouldn't be?) which means Durley only gets minutes when they are really killing someone. Durley was impressing enough in AAU to get interest from us and a few other high-majors, so I wouldn't panic over his HS time.
You keep saying things like this over and over again!!! I don't care who else is on his team. He signed with Marquette, not Eau Claire. You don't have 2 pts and 1 board in a HS game at that size. He consistently struggles to get in the game!!!
I will await your STUPID RESPONSE!!!!
Quote from: schubert33 on January 07, 2012, 10:28:19 PM
You have no BB IQ, you keep saying things like this over and over again!!! I don't care who else is on his team. He signed with Marquette, not Eau Claire. You don't have 2 pts and 1 board in a HS game at that size. He consistently struggles to get in the game!!!
I will await your STUPID RESPONSE!!!!
With the posts you have made, I am confident in the fact you have a 2 handed set shot for a jumper!!
Seems to me the "stupid" thing here would be to jump to a conclusion based on someone's playing time without having ever seen him or his team play.
Aaron wants to play. That is the only way he will get to practice on his skills. We as a family support the Bush team. Aaron is a team player. That's why we are so very happy that we signed with Marquette because in his 5 very short years in the states Marquette has seen the TOTAL package. Aaron has never had a coach that understood that he has lived in other countries for most of his life, other than Marquette. That is why it was such an easy choice for all of us. We loved that we signed with a GREAT TEAM and also a GREAT FAMILY! :)
Quote from: dfdurley on January 07, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Aaron wants to play. That is the only way he will get to practice on his skills. We as a family support the Bush team. Aaron is a team player. That's why we are so very happy that we signed with Marquette because in his 5 very short years in the states Marquette has seen the TOTAL package. Aaron has never had a coach that understood that he has lived in other countries for most of his life, other than Marquette. That is why it was such an easy choice for all of us. We loved that we signed with a GREAT TEAM and also a GREAT FAMILY! :)
Please, I ask to avoid posting about your family member. This never ends well.
Quote from: marqptm on January 07, 2012, 11:02:35 PM
Please, I ask to avoid posting about your family member. This never ends well.
I do miss phillycoach though.
Quote from: Benny B on January 07, 2012, 09:11:30 PM
Only one center plays at a time. And Ridley is going to play all the time.
Why play Jim McIlvaine if Shaq is on your team?
Because if you played both Jim McIlvaine and Shaq at the same time, in a high school game especially, no opponent could get to the rim when you're on defense and you'd be dunking all over the place on offense. That's why there are so many project bigs that come out of high school and don't perform at the college level. They didn't need to rely on skill in high school. They were so much bigger that they were able to dominate. If Aaron's already ahead of where CO was at this point, awesome. I just don't understand his coach's decision to keep him on the bench. It seems like Aaron would benefit from the playing time and his current team would benefit from having he and Ridley in at the same time to control the paint on both offense and defense.
Quote from: dfdurley on January 07, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Aaron wants to play. That is the only way he will get to practice on his skills. We as a family support the Bush team. Aaron is a team player. That's why we are so very happy that we signed with Marquette because in his 5 very short years in the states Marquette has seen the TOTAL package. Aaron has never had a coach that understood that he has lived in other countries for most of his life, other than Marquette. That is why it was such an easy choice for all of us. We loved that we signed with a GREAT TEAM and also a GREAT FAMILY! :)
Welcome to Marquette, brother
Quote from: schubert33 on January 07, 2012, 10:28:19 PMYou keep saying things like this over and over again!!! I don't care who else is on his team. He signed with Marquette, not Eau Claire. You don't have 2 pts and 1 board in a HS game at that size. He consistently struggles to get in the game!!!
I will await your STUPID RESPONSE!!!!
Can't believe I'm going to bother dignifying this ::)
Amal McCaskill scarcely played in high school. He then went on to play in the NBA.
I don't coach the team. But from what I understand, the coach seems to feel like Cam Ridley is the second coming. Considering he's got a 5-star, top-ten in the country center and another 2-star, collegiate project center, which are you going to play? Are you going do the equivalent of splitting the minutes 80-20 when it seems like Ridley is capable of playing 95? Maybe both are pure centers. Maybe, like Otule and Gardner, they aren't the types that can coexist on the floor. Maybe the coach has been working with Ridley since he was 8 years old and watched his prodigy blossom, whereas Durley just moved over here a few years back. I don't know what the reason is. But he was putting up numbers for the Houston Hoopstars, and that was with Ridley on the team.
Maybe he's a project. Maybe he's a victim of the coach not liking him much. Maybe he's simply not on Ridley's level yet. But he played for his AAU team, he apparently did enough to convince Buzz and company that he's worth the scholarship, and it would take a complete moron to miss the fact that we desperately need the kind of length Durley brings to the table. With Gardner and Otule both now possibly here until 2013-14, Durley may not have to step into a starting role until 2014-15. That gives him two full years on campus to work on his body and post play against two experienced D1 centers. If it doesn't work out, we cross that bridge when we get there. But for now, I don't get why everyone's undies are in a bundle.
We desperately need length. We have a guy coming in with some of that requisite length. And like it or not, scholarships are renewable 1-year contracts. This is something to be happy about, not irate.
I welcome Aaron to the fold with open arms, but like marqptm pointed out, I'd advise Aaron's family members against posting about him on here. It never ends well, and there are some flat out idiot posters that will needlessly try to degrade even our best players. Sadly, sites like this probably aren't the best resource for MU players and recruits to understand what the Marquette community is all about.
Quote from: dfdurley on January 07, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Aaron wants to play. That is the only way he will get to practice on his skills. We as a family support the Bush team. Aaron is a team player. That's why we are so very happy that we signed with Marquette because in his 5 very short years in the states Marquette has seen the TOTAL package. Aaron has never had a coach that understood that he has lived in other countries for most of his life, other than Marquette. That is why it was such an easy choice for all of us. We loved that we signed with a GREAT TEAM and also a GREAT FAMILY! :)
Welcome to MU. The vast majority here are looking forward to seeing Aaron grow and develop. The vast majority also understand that it will likely be a process. Like all large, extended, contentious families, we have 4th cousins once removed who say stupid stuff from time to time. Try to ignore them. Or to at least not take it personally. Again, welcome to MU.
We need big players at Marquette. Aaron is a welcome addition to the MU family and with the team's great coaching will become a strong contributor to the team's success.
Yeah. I agree, there are 13 scholarship players and buzz typically plays 8-9 guys during conference. I think MU can find a spot for a 7 footer.
Quote from: dfdurley on January 07, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Aaron wants to play. That is the only way he will get to practice on his skills. We as a family support the Bush team. Aaron is a team player. That's why we are so very happy that we signed with Marquette because in his 5 very short years in the states Marquette has seen the TOTAL package. Aaron has never had a coach that understood that he has lived in other countries for most of his life, other than Marquette. That is why it was such an easy choice for all of us. We loved that we signed with a GREAT TEAM and also a GREAT FAMILY! :)
Welcome to the MU Family!
Please please please don't put much stock in what you read on this board, especially after an MU loss like today. It has become a place dominated by those spewing negativity towards the team and players, rather than a place to actually discuss basketball.
Can't wait for Aaron to get to MU and prove all these jokers wrong!
Quote from: dfdurley on January 07, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Aaron wants to play. That is the only way he will get to practice on his skills. We as a family support the Bush team. Aaron is a team player. That's why we are so very happy that we signed with Marquette because in his 5 very short years in the states Marquette has seen the TOTAL package. Aaron has never had a coach that understood that he has lived in other countries for most of his life, other than Marquette. That is why it was such an easy choice for all of us. We loved that we signed with a GREAT TEAM and also a GREAT FAMILY! :)
This is why I hate when some idiots trash a kid. Families read these boards. Thankfully, they know the MU family is stronger than a few people who hide behind screen names to make sometimes hurtful comments.
Welcome to this board and welcome to the MU family!
Don't forget he is practicing against a future Top College Center every day. That can't hurt.
Quote from: marqptm on January 07, 2012, 06:57:13 PM
+1. Sign effing Branch. If Buzz can't close this deal, there's a problem.
What would the problem be?
Quote from: schubert33 on January 07, 2012, 10:28:19 PM
You keep saying things like this over and over again!!! I don't care who else is on his team. He signed with Marquette, not Eau Claire. You don't have 2 pts and 1 board in a HS game at that size. He consistently struggles to get in the game!!!
I will await your STUPID RESPONSE!!!!
WAY TO TELL HIM!!! ?-(
Quote from: avid1010 on January 08, 2012, 03:23:36 PM
What would the problem be?
There's only a handful of schools that can take him right now. Buzz is in the red zone right now with an elite player, he needs to score the touchdown.
Quote from: tommyc6 on January 08, 2012, 12:06:23 AM
Because if you played both Jim McIlvaine and Shaq at the same time, in a high school game especially, no opponent could get to the rim when you're on defense and you'd be dunking all over the place on offense. That's why there are so many project bigs that come out of high school and don't perform at the college level. They didn't need to rely on skill in high school. They were so much bigger that they were able to dominate. If Aaron's already ahead of where CO was at this point, awesome. I just don't understand his coach's decision to keep him on the bench. It seems like Aaron would benefit from the playing time and his current team would benefit from having he and Ridley in at the same time to control the paint on both offense and defense.
I'm wondering what the competition is like. Is it one of those Texas "hotspots" with a ton of talent, or your typical high school ball where a 6'10" giant can dominate based on size alone. If he'd have then chance to play against other D1 PFs and Centers more often than not I'd question the choice of high school for this season. If a 6'10" player can dominate based on size alone it does little good to go find game playing time against 6'5" centers and it doesn't benefit him much to play alongside Ridley-in that case he's in the best situation, practicing against Ridley.
Quote from: marqptm on January 08, 2012, 03:33:26 PM
There's only a handful of schools that can take him right now. Buzz is in the red zone right now with an elite player, he needs to score the touchdown.
Not sure if he needs to or not, but if he doesn't, I don't think that shows a "problem." A trend like MU being small every year for the last 10 years worries me much more.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 08, 2012, 06:33:09 AM
Can't believe I'm going to bother dignifying this ::)
Amal McCaskill scarcely played in high school. He then went on to play in the NBA.
I don't coach the team. But from what I understand, the coach seems to feel like Cam Ridley is the second coming. Considering he's got a 5-star, top-ten in the country center and another 2-star, collegiate project center, which are you going to play? Are you going do the equivalent of splitting the minutes 80-20 when it seems like Ridley is capable of playing 95? Maybe both are pure centers. Maybe, like Otule and Gardner, they aren't the types that can coexist on the floor. Maybe the coach has been working with Ridley since he was 8 years old and watched his prodigy blossom, whereas Durley just moved over here a few years back. I don't know what the reason is. But he was putting up numbers for the Houston Hoopstars, and that was with Ridley on the team.
Maybe he's a project. Maybe he's a victim of the coach not liking him much. Maybe he's simply not on Ridley's level yet. But he played for his AAU team, he apparently did enough to convince Buzz and company that he's worth the scholarship, and it would take a complete moron to miss the fact that we desperately need the kind of length Durley brings to the table. With Gardner and Otule both now possibly here until 2013-14, Durley may not have to step into a starting role until 2014-15. That gives him two full years on campus to work on his body and post play against two experienced D1 centers. If it doesn't work out, we cross that bridge when we get there. But for now, I don't get why everyone's undies are in a bundle.
We desperately need length. We have a guy coming in with some of that requisite length. And like it or not, scholarships are renewable 1-year contracts. This is something to be happy about, not irate.
I welcome Aaron to the fold with open arms, but like marqptm pointed out, I'd advise Aaron's family members against posting about him on here. It never ends well, and there are some flat out idiot posters that will needlessly try to degrade even our best players. Sadly, sites like this probably aren't the best resource for MU players and recruits to understand what the Marquette community is all about.
This is the best post of the thread. No need to continue with this as this definitely sums up my views and probably 90% of the MU community. No more to be said IMO.