Why is he out there he has no offense unless it against div two player, no one guard him on offense its 4 against five. He can drive to the basket and when he does he never finishes at the hoop.
here we go.....
Quote from: mpdcib on January 04, 2012, 08:08:25 PM
Why is he out there he has no offense unless it against div two player, no one guard him on offense its 4 against five. He can drive to the basket and when he does he never finishes at the hoop.
1 post, and its epic.
lol yup, its true blue ,
for some reason i picture jack black in my head going to the hole saying "raindrops" only to be stuffed or rejected by the rim.
Thank you for your vomit of a post. So so so enlightening.
You can't deny he turned ball over way too much at end. Why not dribble drive drive to pass instead of dribble, fade, chuck?
Quote from: mpdcib on January 04, 2012, 08:08:25 PM
Why is he out there he has no offense unless it against div two player, no one guard him on offense its 4 against five. He can drive to the basket and when he does he never finishes at the hoop.
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Quote from: 77fan88warrior on January 04, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
You can't deny he turned ball over way too much at end. Why not dribble drive drive to pass instead of dribble, fade, chuck?
Yeah, let's ignore the 3:1 assist/TO ratio for the game.
To be fair, Blue had some nice passes in the first half. But it's true that he is ZERO threat on offense and it's become comical to watch him try to drive and get the ball swatted back in his face. If he's going to drive, he better have an open man to dish to, because he is not scoring.
Quote from: 77fan88warrior on January 04, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
You can't deny he turned ball over way too much at end. Why not dribble drive drive to pass instead of dribble, fade, chuck?
He didn't turn the ball over in the final 10+ minutes of the game.
Quote from: 77fan88warrior on January 04, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
You can't deny he turned ball over way too much at end. Why not dribble drive drive to pass instead of dribble, fade, chuck?
Dumb dumb dumb. He had two turnovers in the game...last one around the 11 minute mark.
Quote from: 77fan88warrior on January 04, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
You can't deny he turned ball over way too much at end. Why not dribble drive drive to pass instead of dribble, fade, chuck?
He had two turnovers...I believe one was in the second half when he whipped a pass to Davante down low.
Mayo was the one turning it over late tonight.
Furthermore, Blue took *two* shots. You people bitch and moan when he throws up a bunch of crap, and then he has a game where he plays pretty much within himself, and you STILL complain.
Although this thread is terrible, 60 percent of our starting lineup can't score AT ALL. That is a problem.
I thought the momentum shifted when they took Vander OFF the point and put JC and Wilson back in....Vander was finding the open guys and Georgetown was respecting his ability to penetrate the zone or get by his man and the offense was clicking under him. To lay this one on Vander and ignore the turnovers by Mayo, JC, Wilson et al is way off base.
I thought Vander had found a niche' running the offense for a lot of this game. His drive and rejected prayer late in the 4th was idiotic, granted, but other than that the dude was solid tonight.
Figured I'd read this thread to feel better about myself and it worked.
Good lord, not another 40 page post on this.
If youre that frustrated, there is a good show on the Military Channel on AK 47's. Honest, it's on right now. CHANGE the channel! ;D
i just am really disappointed by the man because he was suppose to be an explosive player, national recruit, go pro early type of guy and he is turning into a pass first guard ---- i thought that was junior's role
what a bummer,
Quote from: godzilla on January 04, 2012, 08:16:05 PM
To be fair, Blue CADOUGAN had some nice passes in the first half. But it's true that he is ZERO threat on offense and it's become comical to watch him try to drive and get the ball swatted back in his face. If he's going to drive, he better have an open man to dish to, because he is not scoring.
FIXED, AGAIN.
Quote from: murobrob on January 04, 2012, 08:19:32 PM
I thought the momentum shifted when they took Vander OFF the point and put JC and Wilson back in....Vander was finding the open guys and Georgetown was respecting his ability to penetrate the zone or get by his man and the offense was clicking under him. To lay this one on Vander and ignore the turnovers by Mayo, JC, Wilson et al is way off base.
I thought Vander had found a niche' running the offense for a lot of this game. His drive and rejected prayer late in the 4th was idiotic, granted, but other than that the dude was solid tonight.
I agree with the first part. Unfortunately, tonight we could have used JWill, but he had a forgettable night. Took himself out of the game with silly fouls as well.
As for the last, I would not call it idiotic. No one else was doing anything offensively. DJO was taking pump fake after pump fake and passing to Crowder. At least Blue attacked the rim. When he does, though, everyone else on MU just watches.
Quote from: reinko on January 04, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
Yeah, let's ignore the 3:1 assist/TO ratio for the game.
Really think he should get 15 to 20 MPG at point. He's a good passer and a much better defender than Cadougan.
+1 lab
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on January 04, 2012, 08:19:07 PM
Although this thread is terrible, 60 percent of our starting lineup can't score AT ALL. That is a problem.
Yup. A major problem.
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 04, 2012, 08:23:01 PM
FIXED, AGAIN.
I, and the official scorer, must have missed those nice passes by Cadougan. He finished with a whopping 1 assist. He did have 2 TO's though.
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on January 04, 2012, 08:19:07 PM
Although this thread is terrible, 60 percent of our starting lineup can't score AT ALL. That is a problem.
Thank you! This is the problem. Vander was a positive tonight. I think we need more structure on offense and just run some plays once in a while to get other guys more involved or some open looks. Dribble drive is a nice offense when you have more than 2 guys who can finish, but we don't.
When our two scorers are hot we can hang with anyone. Otherwise, we have no where to go in the half court and then it is impossible to make up for our awful defense.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 04, 2012, 08:17:55 PM
He had two turnovers...I believe one was in the second half when he whipped a pass to Davante down low.
Mayo was the one turning it over late tonight.
Furthermore, Blue took *two* shots. You people bitch and moan when he throws up a bunch of crap, and then he has a game where he plays pretty much within himself, and you STILL complain.
The official stats were just updated on JSOnline. Blue had 6 assists and 1 TO's. Cadougan 2 assists and 3 TO's. Mayo 0 assists and 6 TO's. Yep. It was Blue's fault!
Quote from: MUMac on January 04, 2012, 08:46:17 PM
The official stats were just updated on JSOnline. Blue had 6 assists and 1 TO's. Cadougan 2 assists and 3 TO's. Mayo 0 assists and 6 TO's. Yep. It was Blue's fault!
Seriously. So dumb. Blue should play a lot more point.
As Reinko says, "facts are for nerds."
TROLL on about Blue, apparently, rest of board!
Blue is developing into a pretty effective distributor and generator at the point. It seems to be a spot that he can use his athleticism to the team's advantage. He generally takes good care of the ball and is a good passer (some of his assists tonight were downright beautiful). He also can beat most guys off the dribble (finishing will come with time). His TOs seem to come when he is on the wing and trying to create something from nothing....when he is looking to create and pass first, more structured from the point, he seems to be very good. He also can rebound well from that spot and is strong on getting back to defend. I hope to see more of him at the point as he continues to develop.
Quote from: murobrob on January 04, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
Blue is developing into a pretty effective distributor and generator at the point. It seems to be a spot that he can use his athleticism to the team's advantage. He generally takes good care of the ball and is a good passer (some of his assists tonight were downright beautiful). He also can beat most guys off the dribble (finishing will come with time). His TOs seem to come when he is on the wing and trying to create something from nothing....when he is looking to create and pass first, more structured from the point, he seems to be very good. He also can rebound well from that spot and is strong on getting back to defend. I hope to see more of him at the point as he continues to develop.
I think Blue played well tonight, but when Georgetown stopped leaving their man to double him when he drove to the hoop in the second half he became ineffective on offense with no threat to kick the ball to and no ability to score it. Same was true of Cadougan and Mayo, and at least Blue didn't turn the ball over in those situations tonight. I'm not sure what we do to solve this issue of lack of scorers.
Is jamail jones that bad on defense?
I'm conflicted. I think he played well when he didnt shoot, which I think was by design. Then for some reason, at the end, he tries to go for the lay up and gets rejected twice.
Junior had an off night and I think he is a solid point. And he came through at the end with a big time drive and finish.
So do you bench JC to put in Blue who cant score at all or do you play JC who can run the point and can give some threat to score.
I kinda think Blue should back up JC until he can put the ball in the hoop.
Quote from: MUMac on January 04, 2012, 08:46:17 PMThe official stats were just updated on JSOnline. Blue had 6 assists and 1 TO's. Cadougan 2 assists and 3 TO's. Mayo 0 assists and 6 TO's. Yep. It was Blue's fault!
Don't let facts get in the way of good trolling. Van had a great night, let the game come to him, and hit his FTs. Of course, the morons still complain. Vander could turn water to wine and the efftards would complain that they preferred brandy.
So it's the consensus that Blue is a good defender and good in transition scoring but struggles in half court offense. Well, we saw the difference tonight-the struggles are as a 2 guard. Make him our starting point guard-a few growing pains to be expected as he learns the position but it's where he belongs.
Quote from: chapman on January 04, 2012, 09:48:41 PM
So it's the consensus that Blue is a good defender and good in transition scoring but struggles in half court offense. Well, we saw the difference tonight-the struggles are as a 2 guard. Make him our starting point guard-a few growing pains to be expected as he learns the position but it's where he belongs.
The downside is that will hurt MU on the offensive boards. When he is PG, he will not be able to crash the boards as often. I, though, think it is a good tradeoff.
I think it's very clear Blue should be the starting point. I don't think Cadougan brings much on offense or defense. It could be a nice shake-up, nothing major but something to get things moving.
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on January 04, 2012, 10:28:23 PM
I think it's very clear Blue should be the starting point. I don't think Cadougan brings much on offense or defense. It could be a nice shake-up, nothing major but something to get things moving.
I'd like to see a starting/crunch-time 5 of...
Blue
DJO
Crowder
Wilson
Gardner
Is Blue a sure enough ball handler to be the starting PG? He looked really good against the zone, but seemed much less effective when Gtown went man with more ball pressure.
Quote from: godzilla on January 05, 2012, 11:26:08 AM
Is Blue a sure enough ball handler to be the starting PG? He looked really good against the zone, but seemed much less effective when Gtown went man with more ball pressure.
Cadougan also looked shaky handling against pressure. None of our PGs have the handle we have grown accustomed to from Tony Miller straight through to Maurice Acker.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 05, 2012, 11:21:53 AM
I'd like to see a starting/crunch-time 5 of...
Blue
DJO
Crowder
Wilson
Gardner
I would agree in the last two minutes, but starting the game with these guys would cause a logistical nightmare for substitutions.
Quote from: godzilla on January 05, 2012, 11:26:08 AM
Is Blue a sure enough ball handler to be the starting PG? He looked really good against the zone, but seemed much less effective when Gtown went man with more ball pressure.
Junior has had his moments, but he's having a tough year. In his last 5 games, he has 11 assists and 11 TOs (take out the Nova game and it's 5 assists, 10 TOs in 4 games). Over those same 5 games, Blue has 17 assists and 9 TOs. The major problem is that neither one of them is much of a scorer and neither can shoot from the outside. As many others have mentioned, it's very hard to play with 2 guys on the court who can't score.
As it stands right now Vander contributes more in other aspects of the game (defense, steals, rebounding) so I think you have to give him a shot.
Quote from: marqptm on January 05, 2012, 11:40:19 AM
I would agree in the last two minutes, but starting the game with these guys would cause a logistical nightmare for substitutions.
Good point. I was initially thinking that a line-up of Blue, DJO, Crowder, Wilson and Otule would be MU's best, with Gardner, Mayo and Cadougan off the bench. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem like it's going to happen.