Maybe this is why Buzz is keeping the open scholarship?
I have become aware of a player at a Top BCS conference that may be available. His stats:
Sophomore. thru 5 games of this year his stats are follows:
12.2 ppg, 51% FG %, 38% 3p fg %, 76% Ft %, 4.0 a/pg, 2.2 steals/gm and 2.2 reb./game.
Also he is an outstanding athlete and broke the schools all-time agility record.
Anyone think this guy might turn out to be a really good player and we should be interested?
only if his name is Vander Blue
Wow, Dimes, he cracked your code in under 5 minutes. ::)
well hopefully the posters of this morning and others will realize the stupidity of their posts from last night and this morning.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on November 22, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Maybe this is why Buzz is keeping the open scholarship?
I have become aware of a player at a Top BCS conference that may be available. His stats:
Sophomore. thru 5 games of this year his stats are follows:
12.2 ppg, 51% FG %, 38% 3p fg %, 76% Ft %, 4.0 a/pg, 2.2 steals/gm and 2.2 reb./game.
Also he is an outstanding athlete and broke the schools all-time agility record.
Anyone think this guy might turn out to be a really good player and we should be interested?
I think we should be all over such a player, and we should be even happier if we had a guy just like this. ;)
It seems that MU has it's share of players who some fans have a burr up their butt for no matter what they do. Others who qualified off the top of my head, were Scott Merritt and Dominic James. In both those instances, as I have witnessed, the player left MU with less than positive feelings about MU. Much due to the comments of the "fans".
Really sad to see people tear into one of our own. If I were a player or parent, I certainly would wonder why I would want (or have my son attend) MU.
Am I missing something, I have never heard Dom say anything derogatory about MU fans and their treatment of him.
Quote from: MUMac on November 22, 2011, 01:43:28 PM
It seems that MU has it's share of players who some fans have a burr up their butt for no matter what they do. Others who qualified off the top of my head, were Scott Merritt and Dominic James. In both those instances, as I have witnessed, the player left MU with less than positive feelings about MU. Much due to the comments of the "fans".
Really sad to see people tear into one of our own. If I were a player or parent, I certainly would wonder why I would want (or have my son attend) MU.
I do agree with you about Merritt and DJ getting a lot of flak (and I'd throw Buycks in there as well) but this is not a Marquette-only issue. It happens just about everywhere. For some reason, there are always going to be fans who need to find a whipping boy for their team's problems.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 22, 2011, 01:56:53 PM
I do agree with you about Merritt and DJ getting a lot of flak (and I'd throw Buycks in there as well) but this is not a Marquette-only issue. It happens just about everywhere. For some reason, there are always going to be fans who need to find a whipping boy for their team's problems.
You are correct and I forgot Buycks (how could that happen). I did not mean to imply this was a MU exclusive, although I see that is exactly how it read. It is part of fandom. I just think, and maybe it is due to being so close to it, that it is an extreme here. One poor offensive showing yesterday and all the hens are out of the henhouse. Forget the games prior to that. We must start a thread titled "Biggest Disappointment" in honor of him.
It does sicken me to see the attitudes of many on this board. Just as it did with Merritt, DJ and Buycks before him.
So wait is this just a pointless post? or is Vander actually considering a transfer?
Quote from: MU B2002 on November 22, 2011, 01:48:37 PM
Am I missing something, I have never heard Dom say anything derogatory about MU fans and their treatment of him.
that is because he is a class act
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 22, 2011, 01:56:53 PM
I do agree with you about Merritt and DJ getting a lot of flak (and I'd throw Buycks in there as well) but this is not a Marquette-only issue. It happens just about everywhere. For some reason, there are always going to be fans who need to find a whipping boy for their team's problems.
well then by all means we should continue to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on November 22, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Maybe this is why Buzz is keeping the open scholarship?
I have become aware of a player at a Top BCS conference that may be available. His stats:
Sophomore. thru 5 games of this year his stats are follows:
12.2 ppg, 51% FG %, 38% 3p fg %, 76% Ft %, 4.0 a/pg, 2.2 steals/gm and 2.2 reb./game.
Also he is an outstanding athlete and broke the schools all-time agility record.
Anyone think this guy might turn out to be a really good player and we should be interested?
Pretty sure this guy will come in really hyped (by some metric that is almost COMPLETELY ARBITRARY), we'll get our expectations way out of proportion, then lose "patience" and pounce on him if he has one bad game (out of 10-12) or stretch of games, because that shouldn't happen! He should be totally mature and ready for D1 NCAA basketball as an 18/19 year old.
Quote from: jhags15 on November 22, 2011, 02:06:52 PM
So wait is this just a pointless post? or is Vander actually considering a transfer?
vander is considering transferring to Marquette
Quote from: lab_warrior on November 22, 2011, 02:19:19 PM
Pretty sure this guy will come in really hyped (by some metric that is almost COMPLETELY ARBITRARY), we'll get our expectations way out of proportion, then lose "patience" and pounce on him if he has one bad game (out of 10-12) or stretch of games, because that shouldn't happen! He should be totally mature and ready for D1 NCAA basketball as an 18/19 year old.
buzz had some funny tongue in cheek comments during the fall about how the MU fans last year were grateful that the current NBA collective bargaining agreement did not allow for kids to go to the NBA out of HS or Vander would never have gone to MU.
he went on to say vander was 17 and adjusting to the Big East was incredible and he was really good and worked really hard and had a great future ahead of him and that he never played freshman but Vnader was so good he got to play.
Fast forward to this year and a day after he scores 26 points he misses a few layups yet does everything else wonderfully and a number of self-entitled "fans" start a "biggest Dissapointment" string and proceed to rip him. Character revealed.
Vander looks SO much better than last year, Let's not get on him for one bad game...
Quote from: jhags15 on November 22, 2011, 02:06:52 PM
So wait is this just a pointless post? or is Vander actually considering a transfer?
This was just Dimes's way of pointing out that everyone should be happier than a pig in slop that the Warriors have someone with stats like Vander's and those who are bashing him should STFU.
I agree VB's stats are good through 5 games and that he looks much improved. That doesn't mean he should be able to disappear during an entire game and/or play poorly and we can't bitch about his performance. But Vander has played well 4 out of 5 games so far.
Blue has been excellent, and a game like last night tells me that he still has some growing to do with regards to finishing after contact with a future NBA big. Not surprising for a sophomore in my book.
Vander played like crap yesterday when it came to actually make his shot and getting the ball across half court. With that you can still see his improvement. His drives are so much better and his passing in the lanes is a real nice sight, sadly for him Otule and even Jae miss them an awful lot.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on November 22, 2011, 02:19:49 PM
vander is considering transferring to Marquette
Will he have to sit out a year?
Quote from: jhags15 on November 22, 2011, 02:29:22 PM
Vander looks SO much better than last year, Let's not get on him for one bad game...
Yes, that is the point of the thread. People focus on the points, and they are important. But, Vander did not have an awful game yesterday. Even offensively, he created opportunities. He had some beautiful passes for points to Gardner (a few times) and Crowder who, if he wasn't trying to boost his rebounding stats, would have made the easy bucket the first attempt.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on November 22, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Maybe this is why Buzz is keeping the open scholarship?
I have become aware of a player at a Top BCS conference that may be available. His stats:
Sophomore. thru 5 games of this year his stats are follows:
12.2 ppg, 51% FG %, 38% 3p fg %, 76% Ft %, 4.0 a/pg, 2.2 steals/gm and 2.2 reb./game.
Also he is an outstanding athlete and broke the schools all-time agility record.
Anyone think this guy might turn out to be a really good player and we should be interested?
Can he make a layup? Kinda important.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 22, 2011, 03:26:52 PM
Can he make a layup? Kinda important.
He was 0-5 from close range with at least two if not three of those shots hitting some combination of backboard and rim at least 3 times. Call it bad luck, but he has proven he can hit this year. If Vander isn't in the game the last 4 minutes we probably lose.
Quote from: jhags15 on November 22, 2011, 02:29:22 PM
Vander looks SO much better than last year, Let's not get on him for one bad game...
And even in that one bad game, he was composed enough to win the game at the end with the steal, behind the back dribble and assist to break the tie.
I ambworried about his potential struggle against the badgers defense, but not the rest of the year.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 22, 2011, 03:26:52 PM
Can he make a layup? Kinda important.
Yeah, because Wade/Novak/Diener/Hutchins/Wardle/Lee/Meninger/Thompson/Butler/Hayward/Matthews never had an off-game or missed a layup. ::) Jeeeeezzz. Anybody who doesn't see that Blue has improved is blind or doesn't know basketball.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on November 22, 2011, 03:38:35 PM
And even in that one bad game, he was composed enough to win the game at the end with the steal, behind the back dribble and assist to break the tie.
I ambworried about his potential struggle against the badgers defense, but not the rest of the year.
Last season, he would dribble around with no purpose, stand there and wait for a teammate to take the ball from him, terribly miss a jumper, or terribly miss a layup.
This season, he looks like he knows what is going on a bit more. He still struggles shooting and finishing. And he looks a bit out of control sometimes. And this is all against bad teams. Is that better, sure. I can still name 5 players on the team with more offensive skills than him.
Outside of luck, I would be surprised if he got more than 6 points against Bucky.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 22, 2011, 03:56:42 PM
Is that better, sure. I can still name 5 players on the team with more offensive skills than him.
Name 2 better defenders on the team right now or better yet, how many rebounders from the guard spot are better than Vander?
MUMac is correct. MU fans rip players just like other college fans do and Dominic James was always the punching bag despite being in the top 5 in scoring, top 2 in assists and according to a 1950's MU player and a friend of mine, the best on ball defender he's ever seen at MU.
Quote from: TedBaxter on November 22, 2011, 04:15:10 PMMU fans rip players just like other college fans do and Dominic James was always the punching bag despite being in the top 5 in scoring, top 2 in assists and according to a 1950's MU player and a friend of mine, the best on ball defender he's ever seen at MU.
One of my favorite things relating to MU basketball over the last decade was to watch James absolutely lock down other teams' stud point guards. Absolutely amazing.
Since the topic is Vander, I wanted to edit my post to add that I really like what I've seen out of Vander this year. I didn't see last night's game, but I'm not worried about it. I think the kid is clearly very talented, and I think in another few years we'll be happy we had the opportunity to watch him and root for him for four years.
I'm not as knowledgeable as most here but I have been watching basketball for a long time and i liked what I saw of Vander last night. Good ,quick moves to ther basket and lock down defense. He just had a bad night putting the ball in the hoop. I have said before here: imagine if our jobs were scrutinised like these poor kids are every game. Anyone suggesting he might transfer is suspect in my book. Kid is a keeper and Buzz obviously thinks enough to start him
Quote from: elephantraker on November 22, 2011, 06:19:43 PM
I'm not as knowledgeable as most here but I have been watching basketball for a long time and i liked what I saw of Vander last night. Good ,quick moves to ther basket and lock down defense. He just had a bad night putting the ball in the hoop. I have said before here: imagine if our jobs were scrutinised like these poor kids are every game. Anyone suggesting he might transfer is suspect in my book. Kid is a keeper and Buzz obviously thinks enough to start him
Actually, the OP was not that he would transfer, but how we would be doing hand stands to get a transfer with stats like he has.
Outside of that, your post was spot on.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 22, 2011, 03:26:52 PM
Can he make a layup? Kinda important.
This is idiotic.
When he makes a lay-up in the next game, are you suddenly going to think he's good?
The thing that scared me and reminded me of last year he seemed to drive head down hell-bent on taking a layup. He also seemed to be rushing it a lot more than the last games. He seemed a lot more in control and relaxed prior to last night. He knows he didn't play well and I expect the team to get it back to playing at a high level. The next game, even though against Jacksonville, will say a lot about the team, Vander especially. If he comes out playing like he did the first four games, then I think he's taken a major step. It seemed last year he had a rough game and just kept trending down. Hopefully this year is different, and I'm thinking it is, because Vander playing well will turn this team from a 20th-25th ranked team to a 10th-15th ranked team I feel.
The kid is a player and will continue to get better every game. I said last year he was a future NBA player and feel even more positive on that today. Plenty of our best players struggled in early years at MU. Butch Lee frustrated the hell out of me for two years and for two years he best in the game. Cannot teach talent and Vander has big time talent.
Love Vander and he will get better and better. He is good for our team and has contributed immensely to our victories so far this year.
Anybody remember what Wes Matthews did his first year? Not so great. I think he turned out OK. Vander will be alright.
Quote from: marquette09 on November 22, 2011, 11:51:58 PM
Anybody remember what Wes Matthews did his first year? Not so great. I think he turned out OK. Vander will be alright.
Must be a Madison Memorial thing.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 22, 2011, 03:56:42 PM
And this is all against bad teams. Is that better, sure. I can still name 5 players on the team with more offensive skills than him.
Outside of luck, I would be surprised if he got more than 6 points against Bucky.
You do realize that basketball is more than scoring right?
What was most impressive about Vander on Monday was that despite things not going well offensively, he kept his head in the game and made some key plays down the stretch. Last year that wouldn't have happened.
Quote from: Goose on November 22, 2011, 08:46:01 PM
Cannot teach talent and Vander has big time talent.
You mean height?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 23, 2011, 05:10:21 AM
Must be a Madison Memorial thing.
Honestly, you might be more right than you think. Not only did Matthews struggle, but so did Nankivil and Maymon. Let's face it, Wisconsin high school basketball isn't exactly a murderers row that prepares kids well for high level competition. And Memorial is in a weaker conference that doesn't have the power that the City Conference has.
Yeah, I know these kids all play AAU ball. But high school is very important. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he struggles. It certainly isn't uncommon.
Why was this blog topic allowed? Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.
Quote from: msbjim on November 23, 2011, 08:56:23 AM
Why was this blog topic allowed? Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.
Actually wasn't the original topic of this post a positive? Dimes was mocking everyone that was bagging on Vander.
Quote from: msbjim on November 23, 2011, 08:56:23 AM
Why was this blog topic allowed? Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum
Quote from: msbjim on November 23, 2011, 08:56:23 AM
Why was this blog topic allowed? Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.
Why was this topic allowed? Are you kidding? With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all. It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.
And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.
Quote from: msbjim on November 23, 2011, 08:56:23 AM
Why was this blog topic allowed? Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.
This was a creative way to make the point that Vander is doing just fine, Thank You Very Much.
Not sure where your coming from msbjim.
Quote from: godzilla on November 23, 2011, 09:10:47 AM
Why was this topic allowed? Are you kidding? With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all. It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.
And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.
Now this is a great example of a post that should be eliminated.
Hey, you better be careful throwing that accusation around. People who think they know who was involved with those accusations don't know everything. Believe me, don't believe all you hear...
Godzilla, 1. No names were ever officially known. 2. No charges filed (MU's fault, agreed) 3. Even if the accusers' stories are 95% accurate, I doubt charges would have been filed even if this was handled correctly by MU because 3. It is highly unlikely a there would have been a conviction with this set of facts. 4. YOU HAD BETTER BE GD SURE BEFORE YOU GO TOSSING OUT NAMES WITHOUT PROOF. Crap like that got pulled down nearly instantly at jsonline and they don't give a rats abe about their message boards. Don't make the mods come after you.
Quote from: godzilla on November 23, 2011, 09:10:47 AM
Why was this topic allowed? Are you kidding? With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all. It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.
And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.
Wait, I should be critical of him because he is a bad person or because he has a bad jumper? You have both things listed here.
Quote from: marquette09 on November 22, 2011, 11:51:58 PM
Anybody remember what Wes Matthews did his first year? Not so great. I think he turned out OK. Vander will be alright.
Anyone remember Chris Crawford his Freshman and sophomore years? i think he averaged about 1 pt agame as a freshman and would travel literally half the times he touched the ball. Ended up scoring 18 a game as a Senior and led us to a conference title.
Anyone remeber Jim Mcilvaine being soundly boo'd at the Bradley Center as a freshman and Sophomore Center. Becuase Mac turned down UCLA for Marquette and only scored 10 points a agme as a sophomore Mu fans boo'ed him. Ended up being named NAtional Defensive Player of the year and also led MU to a conference title.
Oh by the way both made tens of millions of dollars in the NBA.
Vander will be very good. And is good right now.
Quote from: godzilla on November 23, 2011, 09:10:47 AM
Why was this topic allowed? Are you kidding? With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all. It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.
And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.
Hahahaha! This is awesome :)
Drunk pushing some punk outside of a Jimmy Johns does not make someone a thug. Who hasn't been in a situation or two after 1am? :P
His shooting form is way better this year. Far from the worst in cbb :)
Quote from: godzilla on November 23, 2011, 09:10:47 AM
Why was this topic allowed? Are you kidding? With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all. It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.
And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.
Quite frankly, the kid SHOULD have gotten punched, if only for the lame insult; basketball player or not. I'm actually proud of Vander for bring the type of kid who doesn't take s*** from anybody.
Also, excellent use of racist dog-whistle terms like "thug".
In summary, thanks for the awesome, INSIGHTFUL fourth post, you pathetic troll.
Quote from: godzilla on November 23, 2011, 09:10:47 AM
Why was this topic allowed? Are you kidding? With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all. It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.
And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.
Next time, maybe you should come up with a better insult than Vander Orange...
Blue will never play in the NBA. Won't get drafted, won't get a look. He has zero explosiveness, a slight build and is lacking basketball instincts. He could have a fine collegiate career, but at this point he doesn't even warrant honorable mention all Big East. People talking NBA are out of their minds.
Chad Ford seems to disagree, and it is his job to evaluate NBA talent. (Check out ESPN the magazine college bball preview.)
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 23, 2011, 02:11:49 PM
Blue will never play in the NBA. Won't get drafted, won't get a look. He has zero explosiveness, a slight build and is lacking basketball instincts. He could have a fine collegiate career, but at this point he doesn't even warrant honorable mention all Big East. People talking NBA are out of their minds.
You might be right...
So. What.
I do not care if he ever plays a minute in the NBA. I care about him being a good college player.
Why do you care about his NBA prospects?
Quote from: 2002MUalum on November 23, 2011, 03:16:17 PM
You might be right...
So. What.
I do not care if he ever plays a minute in the NBA. I care about him being a good college student/athlete.
Fixed it. So long as Vander does a fine job representing Marquette University (and defending himself against belligerent drunks counts in my book), I'm content with his hoops performance.
Quote from: jtrash37 on November 23, 2011, 05:01:50 PM
Fixed it. So long as Vander does a fine job representing Marquette University (and defending himself against belligerent drunks counts in my book), I'm content with his hoops performance.
The problem is that he has not done a fine job representing Marquette. That is why I will never root for him.
Quote from: lab_warrior on November 23, 2011, 01:59:08 PM
Quite frankly, the kid SHOULD have gotten punched, if only for the lame insult; basketball player or not. I'm actually proud of Vander for bring the type of kid who doesn't take s*** from anybody.
Also, excellent use of racist dog-whistle terms like "thug".
In summary, thanks for the awesome, INSIGHTFUL fourth post, you pathetic troll.
Quite frankly VB should have minded his own business and not started something in the first place. Then there wouldn't have been an incident to talk about.
Quote from: TheGym on November 24, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
The problem is that he has not done a fine job representing Marquette. That is why I will never root for him.
I'm sure you made plenty of stupid mistakes as a 17 and 18 year old. Not to mention you made those mistakes without the big time glare of a D1 athlete. Probably in a world without twitter, too.
Never is a long time. Let's see how he does going forward.
Quote from: TheGym on November 24, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
The problem is that he has not done a fine job representing Marquette. That is why I will never root for him.
And you must be the epitome of Cura Personalis. Get off the 19-year-old's ass.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 23, 2011, 02:11:49 PM
Blue will never play in the NBA. Won't get drafted, won't get a look. He has zero explosiveness, a slight build and is lacking basketball instincts. He could have a fine collegiate career, but at this point he doesn't even warrant honorable mention all Big East. People talking NBA are out of their minds.
And you sir are almost certainly out of your mind
Two threads about the same thing is stupid.
Quote from: TheGym on November 24, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
The problem is that he has not done a fine job representing Marquette. That is why I will never root for him.
The problem is TheGym has not done a fine job representing Marquette. That is why I will never root for him.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 24, 2011, 10:07:45 AM
Quite frankly VB should have minded his own business and not started something in the first place. Then there wouldn't have been an incident to talk about.
And the folks in the Lighthouse always minded their own business? Hmmmmmmmm.
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 24, 2011, 09:48:04 PM
And the folks in the Lighthouse always minded their own business? Hmmmmmmmm.
I happen to be the former law partner of the dad of the guy who VB punched so I heard the story from a different angle than most of you may have heard it. They were minding their business and VB walked in and just because of who he is, he expected certain things from the people at the table. Someone stood up to him. Should he have called him Vander Orange? No. But Vander should not have started it in the first place.
and yes. We at the Lighthouse minded our own business. We were concerned with the $2 buzz and not much else.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 24, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
I happen to be the former law partner of the dad of the guy who VB punched so I heard the story from a different angle than most of you may have heard it. They were minding their business and VB walked in and just because of who he is, he expected certain things from the people at the table. Someone stood up to him. Should he have called him Vander Orange? No. But Vander should not have started it in the first place.
and yes. We at the Lighthouse minded our own business. We were concerned with the $2 buzz and not much else.
Not surprised. But, careful to say anything negative about vander, he has so much potential.
Quote from: godzilla on November 23, 2011, 09:10:47 AM
Why was this topic allowed? Are you kidding? With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all. It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.
And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.
Go back to your Badger hole.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 24, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
I happen to be the former law partner of the dad of the guy who VB punched so I heard the story from a different angle than most of you may have heard it. They were minding their business and VB walked in and just because of who he is, he expected certain things from the people at the table. Someone stood up to him. Should he have called him Vander Orange? No. But Vander should not have started it in the first place.
and yes. We at the Lighthouse minded our own business. We were concerned with the $2 buzz and not much else.
Thanks, Simone.
"My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious." (http://www.80s.com/saveferris/images/class/simone1.jpg)
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 24, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
I happen to be the former law partner of the dad of the guy who VB punched so I heard the story from a different angle than most of you may have heard it. They were minding their business and VB walked in and just because of who he is, he expected certain things from the people at the table. Someone stood up to him. Should he have called him Vander Orange? No. But Vander should not have started it in the first place.
and yes. We at the Lighthouse minded our own business. We were concerned with the $2 buzz and not much else.
Yes, because kids who do stupid stuff and get in trouble for it are always 100% honest and forthright in their version of events to their parents.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 24, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
I happen to be the former law partner of the dad of the guy who VB punched so I heard the story from a different angle than most of you may have heard it. They were minding their business and VB walked in and just because of who he is, he expected certain things from the people at the table. Someone stood up to him. Should he have called him Vander Orange? No. But Vander should not have started it in the first place.
and yes. We at the Lighthouse minded our own business. We were concerned with the $2 buzz and not much else.
So, as a lawyer, you always accept a second hand version of one side of a story? Without any cross examination? I hope to never have to use your services.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 24, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
I happen to be the former law partner of the dad of the guy who VB punched so I heard the story from a different angle than most of you may have heard it.
I'm sure you did.
Truth likely lies in between.
What seems to be agreed upon is that a bunch of young people, late at night, possibly with alcohol involved, started jawing and it was taken outside, with one eventually charged with a misdemeanor, which has been taken care of. This is no longer news, if it ever truly was.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 24, 2011, 11:21:28 PM
Not surprised. But, careful to say anything negative about vander, he has so much potential.
Legitimate critiques are certainly valid.
- He's not a good shooter. He might not even be average.
- He's racked up some good assist numbers, but I wouldn't say he has great vision.
- He has impressive numbers against lower level opponents, but hasn't had good games against top level competition.
- Regardless of details the off the court stuff, he has shown some immaturity and certainly could have handled it better.
However, the "drive-by" criticism on this board after he has a bad game seems like some people just don't like him, and they are waiting for a chance to tell everybody about it.
Hell, Jamail Jones doesn't even play, and nobody says a peep. Vander plays a poor game (still had 6 assist btw) and several people can't get to their keyboards fast enough.
Quote from: tower912 on November 25, 2011, 09:26:40 AM
What seems to be agreed upon is that a bunch of young people, late at night, possibly with alcohol involved, started jawing and it was taken outside, with one eventually charged with a misdemeanor, which has been taken care of. This is no longer news, if it ever truly was.
I had seen much worse in my college days. MUCH worse. Never made the news because they were not basketball players. Although, they were students, so I am sure some on this board would be insulted by their actions representing our university.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on November 25, 2011, 09:27:40 AMHell, Jamail Jones doesn't even play, and nobody says a peep. Vander plays a poor game (still had 6 assist btw) and several people can't get to their keyboards fast enough.
One of which was the game-winning assist after he made a steal to provide us with those game-winning points.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that we've gone down this road again, since Vander's the topic, but this story is beyond dead. Especially the Vander Orange bit. Might Blue have been out of line? Possibly, even probably. Was the other student out of line? Again, no matter what he told Lighthouse, the answer is that he probably was. Two immature teens or early-twentysomethings, imagine that. Let it go already.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 25, 2011, 09:42:49 AM
One of which was the game-winning assist after he made a steal to provide us with those game-winning points.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that we've gone down this road again, since Vander's the topic, but this story is beyond dead. Especially the Vander Orange bit. Might Blue have been out of line? Possibly, even probably. Was the other student out of line? Again, no matter what he told Lighthouse, the answer is that he probably was. Two immature teens or early-twentysomethings, imagine that. Let it go already.
I don't disagree the other kid may have gotten out of line. But it shouldn't have started in the first place and the other kid isn't the reason it started.
I like Vander on the BB court. I hope he has a great year for the Warriors. But blind loyalty to a sports figure, no matter how good or bad his off court-field manner is, just because he's on your favorite team, boggles my mind.
He obviously didn't learn his lesson, seeing as how there was another incident that happened after March madness last year. The incident also involved another extremely high profile player on this year's team. Obviously it was swept under the rug once again, but lets just say the team is no longer welcome at either of the campus bars.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 25, 2011, 09:54:32 AMBut blind loyalty to a sports figure, no matter how good or bad his off court-field manner is, just because he's on your favorite team, boggles my mind.
I never said anything about blind loyalty. I sincerely hope we see better decisions from Vander in the coming years. Regardless of what may or may not have happened here or at Humphrey, I don't like the idea that he's allowing himself to be so close to the situations in the first place. I hope that he has learned from those events and realizes that talent is not a pass to be an idiot, and that his actions have more consequence than just how it affects him as an individual.
But at the same point, I think we have belabored these events to the point where the carrion-picked skeleton is no longer recognizable as the horse it once was. Yet for some reason, every time Vander comes up, some have to pull out the clubs again and go looking for that poor horse. I'm not trying to cast aspersions at you, I honestly don't even know who brought this up in this thread, I just don't see any point in belaboring dead topics.
If we have to revisit similar events in the coming months, then I can see merit in discussing those future events, and can even see reason to revisit these topics. But right now, I guess I just don't understand the need to keep beating the kid up for events that for the most part happened over a year ago.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 23, 2011, 02:11:49 PM
Blue will never play in the NBA. Won't get drafted, won't get a look. He has zero explosiveness, a slight build and is lacking basketball instincts. He could have a fine collegiate career, but at this point he doesn't even warrant honorable mention all Big East. People talking NBA are out of their minds.
One of the most ignorant statement i have ever read on this board. Ignorant in so many ways I dont even know where to start. There have been tens of thousands of truly ignorant statements on this board over the years but this belongs in any Top 10 list
I am a relative newcomer to this board, as you can tell by my almost double digit posting history....so I don't have ton of history here.
I was one of the posters who was lamenting Blue's play against Norfolk. My comments were in jest, and to the effect of ...get him off the floor, he's having a bad night. Had Otule or Gardener been playing the same way, I would have made the same comments.
I found it surprising the reactions my seemingly inane comments got...both ways, on Blue. Lots of "passion" on this player from other posters....just an observation.
I agree with 2002MUAlum's last post and assessment of Blue...
- He's not a good shooter. He might not even be average.
- He's racked up some good assist numbers, but I wouldn't say he has great vision.
- He has impressive numbers against lower level opponents, but hasn't had good games against top level competition.
- Regardless of details the off the court stuff, he has shown some immaturity and certainly could have handled it better.
This board is usually a ton of fun to read.
By the way, has anyone noticed that Notre Dame lost two in a row in Orlando!!!!! All is well.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on November 24, 2011, 10:15:32 AM
I'm sure you made plenty of stupid mistakes as a 17 and 18 year old. Not to mention you made those mistakes without the big time glare of a D1 athlete. Probably in a world without twitter, too.
Never is a long time. Let's see how he does going forward.
The problem is that he hasn't learned his lesson, if what some students are telling me is true. He's still acting like the entitled "punk" (their word) that he was last year.
And the VanderOrange incident is really not that huge of a deal compared to other incidents he was involved in, but a student on the periphery of that confrontation said he came in acting arrogant and was ordering people around, the VanderOrange insult was uttered and it went from there. Nobody said a thing to Blue at all to instigate anything.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I happen to know a few people who are at MU now that are familiar with Blue and his attitude/behavior, and I just find it extremely hard to cheer for him after what I've heard.
Quote from: godzilla on November 25, 2011, 04:42:03 PM
The problem is that he hasn't learned his lesson, if what some students are telling me is true. He's still acting like the entitled "punk" (their word) that he was last year.
And the VanderOrange incident is really not that huge of a deal compared to other incidents he was involved in, but a student on the periphery of that confrontation said he came in acting arrogant and was ordering people around, the VanderOrange insult was uttered and it went from there. Nobody said a thing to Blue at all to instigate anything.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I happen to know a few people who are at MU now that are familiar with Blue and his attitude/behavior, and I just find it extremely hard to cheer for him after what I've heard.
You have 5 posts - your contribution thus far:
1) 5 posts dogging Vander Blue.
2) Within those 5 posts, you have managed to:
a) Criticize Junior Cadougan for getting beat off the dribble "still."
b) Criticize the MU coaching staff for letting Vander "shoot that way"
c) Criticized the quality of MU's opposition thus far...
Thank you for making this board and community a better place. We look forward to your continued support of MU basketball.
Quote from: Ners on November 25, 2011, 08:00:39 PM
You have 5 posts - your contribution thus far:
1) 5 posts dogging Vander Blue.
2) Within those 5 posts, you have managed to:
a) Criticize Junior Cadougan for getting beat off the dribble "still."
b) Criticize the MU coaching staff for letting Vander "shoot that way"
c) Criticized the quality of MU's opposition thus far...
Heh....Godzilla Orange.