We need to get this guy on Twitter, Rosiak says not to hold your breath. Unacceptable for a beat writer nowadays.
Is he officially our beat writer? Who has the UWM beat? He does have a great basketball background.
Quote from: The Lens on October 18, 2011, 05:58:36 AM
Is he officially our beat writer? Who has the UWM beat? He does have a great basketball background.
Yes, he is officially our beat writer now. Hoping he steps up engagement with the MU fans, simple reporting doesn't cut it any more.
Seriously. Covering MU hoops has become a 24x7 gig. Let's face it. We're a needy group that demands info and insight.
Not only that, but the coverage he has put in so far has left much to be desired. I can't say I followed a lot of his work when he was covering UWM, but I am extremely disappointed with this move by JS.
I asked this in the other thread........but what was Enlund doing with the JS prior to being given the MU beat?
I'd have to imagine the JS would look at the MU beat as a promotion rather then moving a veteran at the paper down to the beat. Seems a perfect assignment to get a reporter to learn the business.
Having a dinosaur who's being put out to pasture doesn't foretell improvement.
Enlund was covering UWM basketball as well as fill in work for the Bucks. He's not a bad writer but he doesnt, from what I can gather on the UWM feed, break stories Nor does he offer any great insight into games, players, strategy, recruiting, etc.
I don't think that's a concern where the JS is concerned. Marquette gets two types of coverage: routine and scandalous. They give us the weekly report during the season, game reports and box scores, but only really allow us to be headline news when something's wrong.
I would love for the JS to be in our corner. I think Rosiak was, but it's not like he was Jody Demling. In the JS mind, the Packers are 1, the Badgers are 2, the Brewers and Bucks are 3 & 4 when they're winning, and then you have Marquette, the Admirals, UW-Milwaukee, and the fishing report all kind of carrying the rear. No matter who's on the MU beat, that won't change unless there's a fundamental change in their sports department.
As much as I'd like their support, I've given up on it. Deonte Burton committing to Marquette should have been front page news. A top-tier Milwaukee player comes home to play in his home town. It writes itself. I know TR was out of town, but it was all over Twitter. Their sports department either dropped the ball or didn't care. Now we have a guy who isn't even on Twitter? Never mind that he won't be tweeting, he also doesn't have it as a news source, which like it or not, it definitely is.
The JS doesn't care about the positives of MU hoops and hasn't for awhile. Better to accept it and turn to Cracked Sidewalks, Scout, Anonymous Eagle, and of course MUScoop for your Marquette coverage.
Look, if MU wants the kind of coverage Rosiak gave them, all they have to do is pick up the phone.
Invite the guy to scrimmages, call him when news needs to be leaked, invite him to team stuff. Presto.
Rosiak wasn't digging around in garbage cans for leads, you know. He got invited to observe the team, coaches, and program, accepted the invites, and wrote about it.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on October 19, 2011, 08:48:07 AM
Look, if MU wants the kind of coverage Rosiak gave them, all they have to do is pick up the phone.
Invite the guy to scrimmages, call him when news needs to be leaked, invite him to team stuff. Presto.
Rosiak wasn't digging around in garbage cans for leads, you know. He got invited to observe the team, coaches, and program, accepted the invites, and wrote about it.
+1
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 19, 2011, 06:39:26 AM
In the JS mind, the Packers are 1, the Badgers are 2, the Brewers and Bucks are 3 & 4 when they're winning, and then you have Marquette, the Admirals, UW-Milwaukee, and the fishing report all kind of carrying the rear. No matter who's on the MU beat, that won't change unless there's a fundamental change in their sports department.
I'm curious if you have a problem with this pecking order. If I was the Journal Sports Editor, that'd be my list and I'm an MU graduate.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on October 19, 2011, 08:54:18 AM
I'm curious if you have a problem with this pecking order. If I was the Journal Sports Editor, that'd be my list and I'm an MU graduate.
Amen. I'm a STH, an alum, a son of Alums, a sibling of 3 Alums and husband of an Alum and if I was running the MJS that's what I would.
Deonte Burton? Really. That's inside baseball to me. Especially in this day and age when recruits change their minds annually. The MJS does not hate MU, when it comes to sports, they know their audience.
And when it comes to the "other stuff", every year people here laud the Chicago Tribune for its great coverage but they led the league in MU "bashing" this summer.
Readers dictate coverage.
While I liked Rosiak -- especially coming on the heels of the disaster that was Lori Nickel -- he rarely, if ever, broke stories. Seemed like all of his recruiting articles were just recaps of commitments, not stories about who we were actively recruiting.
Quote from: The Lens on October 19, 2011, 09:18:38 AM
Deonte Burton? Really. That's inside baseball to me. Especially in this day and age when recruits change their minds annually. The MJS does not hate MU, when it comes to sports, they know their audience.
I get the pecking order, but I think MU hoops deserves at least equal coverage to UW hoops. UW gets a front page feature for a suburban kid walking on while Burton gets a page 10 blurb? That's a joke.
I understand how they do things, but a good MU program is good for them. Say MU and UW both make the Final Four. Which paper will people buy for posterity's sake? MU fans would want the JS issue. UW fans would want the WSJ issue because it's Madison's paper. And I certainly feel MU hoops deserves to be a step up from minor-league hockey and fishing.
Is someone here willing to do it pro bono?
I mean, if $ is the issue, I'm sure a super-crazy Marquette fan will do it for pittance as long as they have media only access.
What'cha say JSO?
Quote from: The Lens on October 19, 2011, 09:18:38 AM
Amen. I'm a STH, an alum, a son of Alums, a sibling of 3 Alums and husband of an Alum and if I was running the MJS that's what I would.
Deonte Burton? Really. That's inside baseball to me. Especially in this day and age when recruits change their minds annually. The MJS does not hate MU, when it comes to sports, they know their audience.
And when it comes to the "other stuff", every year people here laud the Chicago Tribune for its great coverage but they led the league in MU "bashing" this summer.
Readers dictate coverage.
You are MU alums and obvious fans and you wouldn't change UW hoops #2 and Marquette/Admirals/UwM/FISHING REPORT #5 ????????? You wouldn't change that pecking order if you could? Wow--I hope you don't get a job in the sports dept at MJS.
Let's go fishing.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 19, 2011, 10:10:18 AM
You are MU alums and obvious fans and you wouldn't change UW hoops #2 and Marquette/Admirals/UwM/FISHING REPORT #5 ????????? You wouldn't change that pecking order if you could? Wow--I hope you don't get a job in the sports dept at MJS.
Let's go fishing.
I believe he was looking at it from the perspective of running a business, not what he would personally like to see. Of course the MJS is going to cater to the larger fan base. They would be stupid not to...
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 19, 2011, 10:10:18 AM
You are MU alums and obvious fans and you wouldn't change UW hoops #2 and Marquette/Admirals/UwM/FISHING REPORT #5 ????????? You wouldn't change that pecking order if you could? Wow--I hope you don't get a job in the sports dept at MJS.
Let's go fishing.
You make a great point. If I were running the MJS sports department, the pecking order would definitely change:
- 1 - My kids' sports
- 1a - Marquette basketball
- 2 - Cleveland Indians
- 3 - Notre Dame football
- 4 - Other Marquette sports
- 5 - Cleveland Cavaliers
- 6 - Cleveland Browns
After all, those are the things I'm interested, so if I was running a newspaper sports department, those are the things I'd focus on. Trust me, you'd just love reading about my kids' sporting exploits......they're awesome...do you have a couple hours...I'll tell you about it...wanna see some pictures?
No, I wouldn't. I understand this is a business not your kid's photo album. A little shocked that if given the opportunity to run a department some 'wouldn't change a thing' where the premise is we are on the sporting news equivalent of the Admirals and fishing for Christ's sake.
Would putting players in the league year after year change anything or still have no impact on the pecking order that you could have the power to change?
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 19, 2011, 11:13:11 AM
Would putting players in the league year after year change anything or still have no impact on the pecking order that you could have the power to change?
The only thing that changes the order is success on the court. Conference championships...final four appearances...national championships. I bet the typical Milwaukeean has no idea that MU has put three players in the NBA in the last three years - and if you told them, they would say "That's nice....think the Packers will go undefeated?"
OK got it--MU Bball will be our little secret.
Maybe you should get some perspective. Stop projecting *your* interests onto the interests of the readership of the MJS at large. And it's not their job to promote MU either.
Obviously.
Does anyone know where Enlund went to school or where his loyalties lie? Is he from Wisco?
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 19, 2011, 11:13:11 AM
A little shocked that if given the opportunity to run a department some 'wouldn't change a thing' where the premise is we are on the sporting news equivalent of the Admirals and fishing for Christ's sake.
Brewcity77 can speak for himself, but I didn't interpret his pecking order to imply that "we are on the sporting news equivalent of the Admirals and fishing." I interpreted his pecking order to mean that we're fifth (behind the Packers, Badgers, Brewers and Bucks), and that we're ahead of those other things. I don't disagree with this relative placement. Do you?
If you want to discuss the strength of each team's spot on the pecking order I'd suppose it would look like this (and this is coming from someone who hasn't lived in Milwaukee for a number of years, so you all can tell me if I'm nuts):
1. Packers
Normal Margin
2. Badgers
Wide Margin
3/4. Brewers/Bucks
Fairly Narrow Margin
5. Marquette
Very Wide Margin
6. Admirals, UWM, fishing, etc.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 19, 2011, 12:21:16 PM
Brewcity77 can speak for himself, but I didn't interpret his pecking order to imply that "we are on the sporting news equivalent of the Admirals and fishing." I interpreted his pecking order to mean that we're fifth (behind the Packers, Badgers, Brewers and Bucks), and that we're ahead of those other things. I don't disagree with this relative placement. Do you?
If you want to discuss the strength of each team's spot on the pecking order I'd suppose it would look like this (and this is coming from someone who hasn't lived in Milwaukee for a number of years, so you all can tell me if I'm nuts):
1. Packers
Normal Margin
2. Badgers
Wide Margin
3/4. Brewers/Bucks
Fairly Narrow Margin
5. Marquette
Very Wide Margin
6. Admirals, UWM, fishing, etc.
It goes (and this is for the Milwaukee Area, not the state)
Packers
wide margin
Brewers
Badgers
decent margin
Marquette & Bucks
margin
Preps
Margin
everything else
just to let everyone know, the Brewers had the 3rd highest tv ratings in their home market of all teams in MLB this year.
I would change it to:
Packers
wide margin
Brewers
margin
Badgers Football
decent margin
Bucks
margin
Marquette & Badger Hoops
margin
Preps
Margin
everything else
Lots of good points about sports journalism in this discussion. But here's the reality: The JS and JSO decide what their covering based on what maximizes shareholder value. They have a target demographic that buys newspapers and acts on newspaper advertising.
That's what dictates how much coverage anything gets. In addition, newspapers are notoriously cheap. One of the problems today is that the number of reporters has fallen dramatically from just 10 years ago because the number of readers and the number of advertisers also have fallen. So the person who covers Marquette also is covering three or four other things, rather than being a dedicated MU beat writer.
Quite simply, if the JS thought they could sell more newspapers with the Red Rodent of Madison flipping the state off on the front page, guess who would be on the front page? I'm cynical, perhaps, but it's about money and penetrating a specific demographic. I'd don't think they're biased against Marquette, but in their demographic, there's probably more interest in the Packers and Badgers.
As a final thought, as I write this, I'm thinking about a discussion and exercise that Professor Lucas G. Staudacher in Journalism 2 (copy editing) used to put us through. Professor Staudacher posed the question, "what is news?" The answer today is, "whatever sells papers to a demographic group that maximizes return for JS ownership." Professor Staudacher must be turning over in his grave at that thought.
1. Green Bay FB
2. Brewers
3. Wisconsin-Madison FB
4. Bucks
5. Marquette
6. Wisconsin-Madison BKB
7. High school
8. Admirals
9. Everything else
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 19, 2011, 10:56:04 AM
You make a great point. If I were running the MJS sports department, the pecking order would definitely change:
- 1 - My kids' sports
- 1a - Marquette basketball
- 2 - Cleveland Indians
- 3 - Notre Dame football
- 4 - Other Marquette sports
- 5 - Cleveland Cavaliers
- 6 - Cleveland Browns
After all, those are the things I'm interested, so if I was running a newspaper sports department, those are the things I'd focus on. Trust me, you'd just love reading about my kids' sporting exploits......they're awesome...do you have a couple hours...I'll tell you about it...wanna see some pictures?
I'm liking this idea. Hey Mods, can we add a category to the Resources section for alumni children sports exploits!?!
Quote from: KC2016 on October 19, 2011, 06:17:14 PM
I'm liking this idea. Hey Mods, can we add a category to the Resources section for alumni children sports exploits!?!
This is known as the 'Peter King approach to journalism'
Anyone who thinks the JS gives equal coverage to Marquette hoops and Badger hoops is delusional. Bo's team gets much better coverage than Buzz's. In the print edition, it's not even close.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 19, 2011, 06:22:42 PM
Anyone who thinks the JS gives equal coverage to Marquette hoops and Badger hoops is delusional. Bo's team gets much better coverage than Buzz's. In the print edition, it's not even close.
Right...because they have a larger fan-base. Smart business decision.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 18, 2011, 06:28:03 PM
I asked this in the other thread........but what was Enlund doing with the JS prior to being given the MU beat?
I'd have to imagine the JS would look at the MU beat as a promotion rather then moving a veteran at the paper down to the beat. Seems a perfect assignment to get a reporter to learn the business.
Having a dinosaur who's being put out to pasture doesn't foretell improvement.
Love the mixed metaphor. Completely apt in a quirky kind of way. Congrats, you may have coined a new expression.
Well this has gone completely off topic, I don't think asking for the guy to acknowledge the existence of social networks is too much to ask. I will also say I'm impressed with the little brother complex half of you seem to be working under. Just remember the squeakiest wheel gets the grease.
Don't worry I already can assume the next response.
Its a poor business decision to have a guy already working on the beat actually do his job.
Quote from: Andrew Siciliano's Ear on October 20, 2011, 10:40:31 AM
Well this has gone completely off topic, I don't think asking for the guy to acknowledge the existence of social networks is too much to ask. I will also say I'm impressed with the little brother complex half of you seem to be working under. Just remember the squeakiest wheel gets the grease.
Don't worry I already can assume the next response.
Its a poor business decision to have a guy already working on the beat actually do his job.
Did Enlund steal your Charleston Chew as kid? Put sugar in your gas tank? Possibly stole a lady from you? You despise this guy.
Quote from: reinko on October 20, 2011, 11:16:50 AM
Did Enlund steal your Charleston Chew as kid? Put sugar in your gas tank? Possibly stole a lady from you? You despise this guy.
He may as well have done all of the above.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 20, 2011, 07:51:12 AMRight...because they have a larger fan-base. Smart business decision.
Larger fan base, yes. But legitimate fans? How many people drive from Milwaukee to Madison to use their season tickets at the Kohl. How many of them in Milwaukee are really paying attention to Bucky in hoops before late-February/early-March. They usually don't realize basketball season has started until after Badger football is done, and most of them probably aren't tuning in to much college hoops until after the Super Bowl. Maybe I'm way off base, but I've always had the impression that Marquette fans are far more dedicated to their college hoops than Wisconsin fans are, and I don't even really think it's that close. For them, it's something to pass the time until the weather warms up. For us, it's the time of year the sports season revolves around.
Maybe I'm totally off base, but I honestly think that in the offseason, Marquette hoops stories would be just as big, and likely bigger, than UW hoops stories. Especially from August to early November, when they are all focused on what the football team is doing.
Actually the squeeky wheel doesn't always get the grease but thats another story.
Based on your "occupy" reference it doesn't surprise me that you like to organize "protests".
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 19, 2011, 10:56:04 AM
You make a great point. If I were running the MJS sports department, the pecking order would definitely change:
- 1 - My kids' sports
- 1a - Marquette basketball
- 2 - Cleveland Indians
- 3 - Notre Dame football
- 4 - Other Marquette sports
- 5 - Cleveland Cavaliers
- 6 - Cleveland Browns
After all, those are the things I'm interested, so if I was running a newspaper sports department, those are the things I'd focus on. Trust me, you'd just love reading about my kids' sporting exploits......they're awesome...do you have a couple hours...I'll tell you about it...wanna see some pictures?
Notre who? ::)
No competition means little coverage. The Journal-Sentinel is the only game in town and it knows, Marquette, unfortunately, doesn't sell that many papers.
If you're unhappy with the Journal's coverage, where do you turn?
Go Warriors
BrewCity,
I feel you are generalizing. I know quite a few people here in Madison who follow Badger basketball as their main sport over Badger football and they have season tickets to basketball and not football.
Don't get me wrong, Badger football is followed by all Badger fans, but there are a good share of Badger basketball and Badger hockey fans.
Marquette is going to be down the line in Journal-Sentinel coverage and I'm not as worried about that as MU will get it's share of local coverage in the coming months.
As I said, I could be totally off base, but I'm referring specifically to fans in Milwaukee. Are there many that are making the trek to Madison weekly for Badger basketball games that aren't following football? I think that in Milwaukee, the pro-football (not to be confused with Pro Football) bias is even more stark, which may seem odd for a non-football town, but in many ways makes sense as Wisconsin is definitely a football state and Milwaukee thus feels football-starved as the two football teams in the state are both at least an hour away.
I'm just of the opinion that when it comes to pecking order, most Marquette fans have that as their top sports priority, or at worst 1a if they are Packer fans. My guess is most Badger fans have their basketball program at best as third behind the Badgers and Packers.
I'm not saying basketball fans don't exist for them, just that in general, the average Marquette fan places a higher priority on Marquette hoops than the average Wisconsin fan does on Badger hoops.
Quote from: Warrior Forever on October 20, 2011, 07:03:42 PM
No competition means little coverage. The Journal-Sentinel is the only game in town.
If you're unhappy with the Journal's coverage, where do you turn?
Go Warriors
Best comment in this thread. No competition. Barring someone challenging them on this front, it won't change, and that still might not even precipitate a change. Thank goodness we have this, the Scout site and Cracked Sidewalks to fill in the gaps, of which there are plenty.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 20, 2011, 05:12:05 PM
Larger fan base, yes. But legitimate fans? How many people drive from Milwaukee to Madison to use their season tickets at the Kohl. How many of them in Milwaukee are really paying attention to Bucky in hoops before late-February/early-March. They usually don't realize basketball season has started until after Badger football is done, and most of them probably aren't tuning in to much college hoops until after the Super Bowl. Maybe I'm way off base, but I've always had the impression that Marquette fans are far more dedicated to their college hoops than Wisconsin fans are, and I don't even really think it's that close. For them, it's something to pass the time until the weather warms up. For us, it's the time of year the sports season revolves around.
Maybe I'm totally off base, but I honestly think that in the offseason, Marquette hoops stories would be just as big, and likely bigger, than UW hoops stories. Especially from August to early November, when they are all focused on what the football team is doing.
I think they have a much better understanding of what drives the sales their newspapers than you or I do.
Quote from: Warrior Forever on October 20, 2011, 07:03:42 PM
No competition means little coverage. The Journal-Sentinel is the only game in town and it knows, Marquette, unfortunately, doesn't sell that many papers.
If you're unhappy with the Journal's coverage, where do you turn?
Well, having "no competition" is an old argument but one that isn't based in reality. If you limit the communication vehicles to "traditional newspapers" well, yeah...Milwaukee only has one, but that is the case is many cities.
However, there are many web-based services that provide better coverage than the MJS ever had. If you look at it in that context, there is actually a lot of competition for coverage.
It'll be interesting to see if any of this matters in 10 years. Will the JS still be around? What about 20 years? While their coverage leaves a lot to be desired, the info is out there is you take the time to look, and my guess is most of us taking the time to be on message boards do that.
Granted, I'd rather the JS give us positive press, but I think it's probably a combination of our lack of proactiveness and their agenda (not meant in a negative way). But how many HS kids are reading papers anymore? And in 10-20 years, how many will regard them in the same manner as we do a town crier or telegram?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 21, 2011, 07:11:05 AM
Well, having "no competition" is an old argument but one that isn't based in reality. If you limit the communication vehicles to "traditional newspapers" well, yeah...Milwaukee only has one, but that is the case is many cities.
However, there are many web-based services that provide better coverage than the MJS ever had. If you look at it in that context, there is actually a lot of competition for coverage.
I think it's also worth pointing out that even if there was a competing newspaper in Milwaukee, there's really no reason to think that it'd significantly change the "pecking order" for sports coverage from that used by the MJS. The simple fact of the matter is that in most places, the big state schools have
so many more alumni than the private schools that they tend to get favored on the sports pages. In short, they sell more papers (or at least that is the perception...and it's probably correct). The fact that the Badger fans in Milwaukee might not be as zealous as the Marquette fans (
i.e., don't drive to Madison for games) doesn't change the fact that they significantly outnumber Marquette fans.
Someone who lives there...what's the ratio of Wisconsin to Marquette alumni in Milwaukee? Is if 5:1? I found online that Wisconsin has about 388,000 alumni (500,000+ if you consider the whole system); I couldn't find the figure for Marquette.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 21, 2011, 08:39:38 AM
It'll be interesting to see if any of this matters in 10 years. Will the JS still be around? What about 20 years? While their coverage leaves a lot to be desired, the info is out there is you take the time to look, and my guess is most of us taking the time to be on message boards do that.
Granted, I'd rather the JS give us positive press, but I think it's probably a combination of our lack of proactiveness and their agenda (not meant in a negative way). But how many HS kids are reading papers anymore? And in 10-20 years, how many will regard them in the same manner as we do a town crier or telegram?
+1
The JS will die when old people die unless the JS (and all other legacy media) figure out how to monetize their content online.
With regards to MU news, I really think it would be worthwhile for fans/alumni to chip in for our own beat reporter. There have to be plenty of alumni going to all of the games plus it's not a full time job.
Time for Cracked Sidewalks to go big-time, imo.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 21, 2011, 09:20:20 AM
+1
The JS will die when old people die unless the JS (and all other legacy media) figure out how to monetize their content online.
With regards to MU news, I really think it would be worthwhile for fans/alumni to chip in for our own beat reporter. There have to be plenty of alumni going to all of the games plus it's not a full time job.
Time for Cracked Sidewalks to go big-time, imo.
Really, it just comes down to paying for the road trips.
Which includes the Virgin Islands this year.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on October 21, 2011, 11:43:10 AM
Really, it just comes down to paying for the road trips.
Which includes the Virgin Islands this year.
If this funding suggestion would include seating points I would consider it.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 21, 2011, 07:11:05 AM
Well, having "no competition" is an old argument but one that isn't based in reality. If you limit the communication vehicles to "traditional newspapers" well, yeah...Milwaukee only has one, but that is the case is many cities.
However, there are many web-based services that provide better coverage than the MJS ever had. If you look at it in that context, there is actually a lot of competition for coverage.
How many of these "web-based services" drive any sizable revenue, ie - take $ from the Journal-Sentinel? I venture virtually none. Newspapers are dying for a host of reasons, but I don't believe it's due to sites such as these (despite how great this site and others like, Cracked Sidewalks, may be).
Go Warriors.
Quote from: Warrior Forever on October 23, 2011, 08:05:23 AMHow many of these "web-based services" drive any sizable revenue, ie - take $ from the Journal-Sentinel? I venture virtually none. Newspapers are dying for a host of reasons, but I don't believe it's due to sites such as these (despite how great this site and others like, Cracked Sidewalks, may be).
Go Warriors.
But the point isn't that they take sizable revenue, it's that they take revenue at all, and that there are thousands of sources. If you want general news, you can look to Yahoo, the Huffington Post, or Google, not to mention the 24-hour news cycle sites like CNN.com, MSNBC.com, and FoxNews.com. And every local television station now has their articles online, so instead of waiting until 5, 6, or 10, people can get their local updates now from WISN.com, TodaysTMJ4.com, or CBS58.com (okay...that last one was a joke). And all of that news is updated constantly.
20 years ago, if you wanted news throughout the day, you either had to watch CNN's national feed or read the paper. Those were the only options. Now there are thousands of options at your fingertips that specialize in what you want. If you want Marquette basketball news, there are dozens of Marquette sites that will give you what you want without having to drudge through what you don't. If you want local news, there are multiple local sites. The same goes for national, entertainment, or anything else.
Back then, you paid your 25 cents for the paper and JS got all of that money. Now, all of these websites are taking their hundredth of a cent. Sure, it's not a huge deal when 100 websites turn your 25 cents into 24, but when the competition is 10,000 websites, it's a little harder to keep your share.
I know more than a little bit about their online revenue generation. If you go on the front page of JSonline.com the "Newswatch" section costs $12k/mo with a 3 month commitment, that slot is sold 4 times. The CPM or cost per 1000 clicks ranges from $8 to $23 and up if you are looking at Packers coverage. There is significant revenue on the online side.
And just for reference, the Occupy was a jab at how ridiculous that whole situation is. I worked for the Bush campaign in 2004...
Quote from: Andrew Siciliano's Ear on October 24, 2011, 12:52:35 AM
I know more than a little bit about their online revenue generation. If you go on the front page of JSonline.com the "Newswatch" section costs $12k/mo with a 3 month commitment, that slot is sold 4 times. The CPM or cost per 1000 clicks ranges from $8 to $23 and up if you are looking at Packers coverage. There is significant revenue on the online side.
There is POTENTIAL significant revenue. Ask the powers that be. There is very little revenue online for newspapers through subscription. They let the Jeannie out of the bottle by initially giving away their product. Too late to charge now.
Go Warriors
dailyherald.com/article/20110830/business/708309983/
Quote from: Warrior Forever on October 24, 2011, 06:46:03 AM
There is POTENTIAL significant revenue. Ask the powers that be. There is very little revenue online for newspapers through subscription. They let the Jeannie out of the bottle by initially giving away their product. Too late to charge now.
It didn't matter if they would have started to charge right away. Competition would have always undercut it. They essentially *have* to give away their product online for them to have any credibility as a news organization. Hell, if the New York Times and Wall Street Journal can't money money on subscriptions, no one can.
And if Ear is right, MJS is making $$$ online anyway.
In the larger picture, the MJS is going to devote most of their resources on what brings in the most money - and that is the Packers and the Badgers. Frankly, they probably know they can't really compete for the MU audience against everything else that is out there - so why not stick a reporter that is close to retirement out there and have him right some fluff stuff for the fogies that don't know how to turn on a computer.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 19, 2011, 09:30:44 AM
I get the pecking order, but I think MU hoops deserves at least equal coverage to UW hoops. UW gets a front page feature for a suburban kid walking on while Burton gets a page 10 blurb? That's a joke.
I understand how they do things, but a good MU program is good for them. Say MU and UW both make the Final Four. Which paper will people buy for posterity's sake? MU fans would want the JS issue. UW fans would want the WSJ issue because it's Madison's paper. And I certainly feel MU hoops deserves to be a step up from minor-league hockey and fishing.
Wisconsin is a State team, not just a Madison team. There are far more Badger fans in Milwaukee than there are Marquette fans.
Quote from: Warrior Forever on October 24, 2011, 06:46:03 AM
There is POTENTIAL significant revenue. Ask the powers that be. There is very little revenue online for newspapers through subscription. They let the Jeannie out of the bottle by initially giving away their product. Too late to charge now.
Go Warriors
Who's Jeannie?