We had all the momentum in the world in '03 (plus fundraising was at an all-time high) and could have added football (NAIA, 1-A, 1-AA) but many powers that be said "no it's too much money", "it will take 8-10 years".
Well it's 8 years later, I wish we had that option. I still am of the belief Nova will end up better than us b/c of football. Maybe even Georgetown
btw, Wisconsin is one of the largest states in the Union to not have 2 D1 teams. There is a reason Whitewater is so good, there is a reason UW-Madison's walk on program is so strong. We have opportunity in Wisconsin.
Didn't you already post this? ?-(
Wisconsin's neighbor to the west does not have more than one D1 football team either.
Maybe, maybe not. I thought the same thing when all this was going on last year, but not any more. Now it looks like there may be schools with long established football programs that are potentially going to be left out of this mess also. Schools like Kansas, K-State, ISU, Mizzou, Baylor, TTech, Cincy, Louisville, WVU, USF, and TCU could end up getting really screwed. If we started football 8 years would we be any better off than Memphis? If Nova and GTown end up better than us, I think it will have more to do with their ability to deliver the Philly and DC markets than football.
Exactly. Having a crappy football program would probably put us in a worse position. All of a sudden having an expensive program with little revenue. We will most likely come out of this better than some football schools. What ND does could be key. I would think they'd go AAC before Big 10. If they do something different, I hope we get brought along.
Quote from: westcoastwarrior on September 18, 2011, 12:47:23 AM
Wisconsin's neighbor to the west does not have more than one D1 football team either.
That's why the Gophers are so great!
We're not getting brought along to the ACC....just get that thought out of your head right now.
There is a reason Nova said "no" to upgrading their football program - and they had a good one. They didn't meet FBS attendance criteria, likely needed a stadium, and the costs were prohibitive. Adding a crappy football team would have done nothing but cost us resources that we currrently plow into the basketball program.
We are who we are - a private, urban university with a nice following, NBA area and proud tradition. There are six other schools like us in our current conference. Add Dayton, Xavier and Butler and you have a nice mix of eastern and midwestern schools very much like us.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 18, 2011, 07:53:06 AM
We're not getting brought along to the ACC....just get that thought out of your head right now.
There is a reason Nova said "no" to upgrading their football program - and they had a good one. They didn't meet FBS attendance criteria, likely needed a stadium, and the costs were prohibitive. Adding a crappy football team would have done nothing but cost us resources that we currrently plow into the basketball program.
We are who we are - a private, urban university with a nice following, NBA area and proud tradition. There are six other schools like us in our current conference. Add Dayton, Xavier and Butler and you have a nice mix of eastern and midwestern schools very much like us.
Yeah, the bball only schools should just get it over with and make a conference. It's inevitable.
As long as we stay wit Georgetown, Nova, and/or Notre Dame we'll be fine. It sucks to see the BEast break apart, especially since the BEast is equal to the ACC in football. Even if the leftovers of the Big 12 merge with the leftovers of the Big East, it could still be a respectable BBall conference with Kansas and Kansas State at least joining up with Georgetown, Nova, and us.
If the Big East really wants to survive...go after Texas and NOW.
Quote from: chren21 on September 18, 2011, 08:16:41 AM
Yeah, the bball only schools should just get it over with and make a conference. It's inevitable.
I agree, it is the best way to protect ourselves.
Oh, and we aren't getting Texas.
No offense, they have 3-4 better suitors, and its stupid to think they would EVER choose the BEAST over them unless they got ALL the money.
I didn't mean we'd follow ND to the AAC. If they don't go AAC or Big 10... Maybe we will get involved with what ever they do with others such as Texas for all sports but football.
Quote from: The Lens on September 18, 2011, 12:25:36 AM
We had all the momentum in the world in '03 (plus fundraising was at an all-time high) and could have added football (NAIA, 1-A, 1-AA) but many powers that be said "no it's too much money", "it will take 8-10 years".
Well it's 8 years later, I wish we had that option. I still am of the belief Nova will end up better than us b/c of football. Maybe even Georgetown
btw, Wisconsin is one of the largest states in the Union to not have 2 D1 teams. There is a reason Whitewater is so good, there is a reason UW-Madison's walk on program is so strong. We have opportunity in Wisconsin.
So best case scenario are football program is as good as Nova's?????
Quote from: GOO on September 18, 2011, 09:48:03 AM
I didn't mean we'd follow ND to the AAC. If they don't go AAC or Big 10... Maybe we will get involved with what ever they do with others such as Texas for all sports but football.
They'd have nothing to gain from a partnership with us.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 18, 2011, 07:53:06 AM
We are who we are - a private, urban university with a nice following, NBA area and proud tradition. There are six other schools like us in our current conference. Add Dayton, Xavier and Butler and you have a nice mix of eastern and midwestern schools very much like us.
I like a man who can capture reality in a few words.
Quote from: jsglow on September 18, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
I like a man who can capture reality in a few words.
+1
Quote from: The Lens on September 18, 2011, 12:25:36 AM
We had all the momentum in the world in '03 (plus fundraising was at an all-time high) and could have added football (NAIA, 1-A, 1-AA) but many powers that be said "no it's too much money", "it will take 8-10 years".
Well it's 8 years later, I wish we had that option. I still am of the belief Nova will end up better than us b/c of football. Maybe even Georgetown
btw, Wisconsin is one of the largest states in the Union to not have 2 D1 teams. There is a reason Whitewater is so good, there is a reason UW-Madison's walk on program is so strong. We have opportunity in Wisconsin.
Of course, but we screwed the pooch like we always do. No football, terrible nickname, no medical school anymore, etc. This shouldn't surprise anyone here.
WVU will now go to the SEC. This idea of adding the Big 12 remaining schools to the Big East? Hilarity. If anything, you will see the remaining Big East football schools go to the Big 12. Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU will all go to the Big 12 with Kansas, K-State, Missouri and Baylor. Not the other way around.
It's finished boys, absolutely finished and many of us could have told you this was going to happen a decade ago, but MU has always been about the short term, not the long term.
Crean left for a reason. He knew this stuff was coming.
QuoteCrean left for a reason. He knew this stuff was coming.
::) You gotta be kidding me right.
Quote from: pux90mex on September 18, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
::) You gotta be kidding me right.
No, actually I'm not. Honestly, I'm surprised Buzz didn't leave this Summer for the same reason. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. Stability wins, and the Big East isn't stable. If Buzz knew 5 months ago when he knows today, he would not be at Marquette as the head basketball coach.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on September 18, 2011, 05:23:08 PM
If Buzz knew 5 months ago when he knows today, he would not be at Marquette as the head basketball coach.
Have you asked him or is this pure conjecture?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on September 18, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
Of course, but we screwed the pooch like we always do. No football, terrible nickname, no medical school anymore, etc. This shouldn't surprise anyone here.
WVU will now go to the SEC. This idea of adding the Big 12 remaining schools to the Big East? Hilarity. If anything, you will see the remaining Big East football schools go to the Big 12. Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU will all go to the Big 12 with Kansas, K-State, Missouri and Baylor. Not the other way around.
It's finished boys, absolutely finished and many of us could have told you this was going to happen a decade ago, but MU has always been about the short term, not the long term.
Nova and Georgetown have football...and it isn't helping them any.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 18, 2011, 05:27:07 PM
Nova and Georgetown have football...and it isn't helping them any.
Nova and Georgetown are both in a better position than Marquette is today because they have football, albeit not high level. They have options. Marquette has none. We wait for the destruction to end and pick up the ball hope a court somewhere will have us.
Simple question is whether you would prefer to be in MU's shoes today or NOVA \ G'Town? The answer seems clear to me, but maybe it isn't.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on September 18, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
It's finished boys, absolutely finished and many of us could have told you this was going to happen a decade ago, but MU has always been about the short term, not the long term.
What is it exactly that's finished?
There were only three people in the world who knew that the President of the BIG EAST Executive Committee was secretly trying to destroy the conference: Tom Crean, Hoopalong and Chicos. If they had only told Buzz, we would have been booted from the conference and left with Terri Mitchell as our men's basketball coach.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on September 18, 2011, 05:29:42 PM
Nova and Georgetown are both in a better position than Marquette is today because they have football, albeit not high level. They have options. Marquette has none. We wait for the destruction to end and pick up the ball hope a court somewhere will have us.
Simple question is whether you would prefer to be in MU's shoes today or NOVA \ G'Town? The answer seems clear to me, but maybe it isn't.
How are Nova and Georgetown in better position than MU? What conference is going to add them because of their football programs?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on September 18, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
Of course, but we screwed the pooch like we always do. No football, terrible nickname, no medical school anymore, etc. This shouldn't surprise anyone here.
WVU will now go to the SEC. This idea of adding the Big 12 remaining schools to the Big East? Hilarity. If anything, you will see the remaining Big East football schools go to the Big 12. Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU will all go to the Big 12 with Kansas, K-State, Missouri and Baylor. Not the other way around.
It's finished boys, absolutely finished and many of us could have told you this was going to happen a decade ago, but MU has always been about the short term, not the long term.
Crean left for a reason. He knew this stuff was coming.
Wow... arm chair quarterback! You are so smart... go pat yourself on the back for us... never mind you probably already did.
Long live the great and all knowing Crean!
Quote from: Hoopaloop on September 18, 2011, 05:29:42 PM
Nova and Georgetown are both in a better position than Marquette is today because they have football, albeit not high level. They have options. Marquette has none. We wait for the destruction to end and pick up the ball hope a court somewhere will have us.
Simple question is whether you would prefer to be in MU's shoes today or NOVA \ G'Town? The answer seems clear to me, but maybe it isn't.
You are a fool if you believe what you are saying. Those programs will never be FBS (or whatever the f they call them nowadays), and are just a money pit.
Where do you football partisans suppose this imagined team will play, the Arena? There's not a stadium in the city ready for anything like the audience you dream of and that even the dispassionate would hope for.
Unless you fantasize that your young counterparts will all walk on for love, there's the matter of a minimum of 55 scholarships at $31,400 (and climbing). Where will that $1,727,000 per year or a $35 million endowment to cover it come from?
Your other thirty players will probably want some support beyond practice and game shoes, and your coaches aren't going to take discounted salaries for it being a new program.
Quote from: Jim Sawdust on September 18, 2011, 06:57:25 PM
Where do you football partisans suppose this imagined team will play, the Arena? There's not a stadium in the city ready for anything like the audience you dream of and that even the dispassionate would hope for.
Unless you fantasize that your young counterparts will all walk on for love, there's the matter of a minimum of 55 scholarships at $31,400 (and climbing). Where will that $1,727,000 per year or a $35 million endowment to cover it come from?
Your other thirty players will probably want some support beyond practice and game shoes, and your coaches aren't going to take discounted salaries for it being a new program.
Plus you are totally forgetting to include title IX
Quote from: Hoopaloop on September 18, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
Of course, but we screwed the pooch like we always do. No football, terrible nickname, no medical school anymore, etc. This shouldn't surprise anyone here.
You forgot to add closing the Lanche, tearing down Brooks Hall, moving to the Bradley Center, building the Al and basically every other sort of "change" the school has made. Everything was better the way it was!
You are a crusty 'ol bastard, aren't ya?
Yeah! 25 years have past and we're back to joining a conference with Butler and Dayton.
I agree with the earlier post that 2003 was the time to explore football Yes, I get that costs are prohibitive, Title IX is a difficult hurdle, and no stadium is an issue. Make all the claims of insurmountable problems you want, but I refuse to believe that Marquette should quietly accept being a second-rate institution. Marquette needs football.
I'll now let the rest of you of continue to argue for perpetual suckitude (don't feel like accepting your reality).