It has been 2 months since Cottingham and MU parted ways. I haven't heard a peep about our AD search, or about naming another interim AD.
At what point does this become a problem? At some point we have to schedule for next year. At some point we'll need professional representation to the Big East, especially with the constant threat of Conference shakeups.
Any thoughts? Has any AD search by MU been semi-public, or has it always been quiet? Is two months not as long as it feels like it is during the doldrums of summer?
It isn't that long and better to have silence than an endless cavalcade of rumors, followed by that person not coming, followed by ranting, self-loathing, lashing out, etc.
They have said all along that they were going to do a national search in the fall. This makes sense with a new President coming in. This likely means nobody announced until toward the end of the year.
Is Jeff Hathaway damaged goods?
An article on Fr. Pilarz last week in the Journal-Sentinel indicated that MU was going to solicit contribution from ADs and other informed people as to what MU needs in an AD and, hopefully, hire a new AD by the end of the academic year. So, it's still going to be quite a while. Unfortunate with what's going on with conference realignment talk :-\
Craig Pintens for Marquette Athletic Director!
I really hope we don't take too long on this. The next wave of conference reshuffling is happening now, and the last thing we can afford is to be on uncertain ground at this time.
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Name Broeker AD... and move on...
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 07, 2011, 04:09:44 PMName Broeker AD... and move on...
That would be a mistake. Not necessarily a bad choice, but definitely a mistake.
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Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 07, 2011, 04:09:44 PM
Name Broeker AD... and move on...
Quickly moving to hire a lesser known guy from within instead of conducting a public search involving lots of big names never works out.
Oh, wait ....
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Not sure why the deputy AD and primary overseer of the men's basketball program when all the "badness" went down would be promoted.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 07, 2011, 04:27:14 PMQuickly moving to hire a lesser known guy from within instead of conducting a public search involving lots of big names never works out.
Oh, wait ....
Broeker could be the right choice. I wouldn't even have a problem with him being hired. But we have to at least give the impression that we are looking without as well as within. Right now, we are under a microscope. Those articles in the MJS and Trib aren't that long ago. If we just promote Broeker, all we'll hear is that we picked the guy who was in charge of the basketball program when the controversy started.
If we hire Broeker in the end, fine, but there has to be competition. There has to be the impression that there's a new sheriff in town, and that he is the guy to fix the problems we've encountered over the past year. Rubber-stamping Broeker won't accomplish that.
If we bring in 3-4 other candidates and end up with Broeker, and he comes out with a strong stance of change, it'll work, but if we just hand him the reins without having to earn it the perception will be that what happened over the last year was acceptable.
"and he comes out with a strong stance of change",.....huh?
if Broeker is the right person u make the decision and go for him asap, they did that with Buzz and look at the results. If he is not then u look elsewhere. This is not the time to go thru motions for PR purposes if he is the right person. Without question the JS will have negative comments if we keep him, if we go outside why we did not promote from within so it is obvious that MU was quilty of whatever the JS comments on. No win situation for MU PR wise so make the right choice as soon as possible and ignore the comments. We had shots taken at MU when Buzz was picked and look at our success.
The only people who care who our athletic director is are other athletic administrators. It's a total non-story.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 07, 2011, 07:52:58 PM
The only people who care who our athletic director is are other athletic administrators. It's a total non-story.
as long as the process isn't flawed, I don't care who they get. It's the process that matters.
Personally, I like to wait 5 years before judging the effectiveness of an AD, so I've got no qualms about keeping Broeker as interim AD until I can judge him in 2016.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 07, 2011, 07:15:42 PM
"and he comes out with a strong stance of change",.....huh?
He makes it clear that what's been tolerated in the past year won't be.
And to me that is the bigger issue that the AD is going to have to deal with. And I think "accountability" is a better word than "change." The conference relocation item is more of a meta-issue that will work itself out. Frankly either the MU is part of the BE, or if the BE breaks apart, will be part of a conference with a mix of BE remnants and other basketball schools.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2011, 05:15:37 AM
He makes it clear that what's been tolerated in the past year won't be.
First of all, where has MU or anyone ever stated it was tolerated?
Secondly, define "what".... do you really know what happened?
Is part of the "what" the fact that MU did not break basically every privacy law on the books and tell you what each person specifically said in each incident?
It seems to me Singleton was removed from the program...how's that for tolerance?
Blue went thru the system and paid his price. Hopefully, he learned his lesson and my guess is it was addressed with the coaches and the team and Vander had his penalties to pay within the confines of the team.
The other incident was on a drunken Halloween party with innappropraite harrassment. Again, my guess is there were repercussions for the players that Mu has chosen not to tell you about.
To make a statement that was has happened "has been tolerated" is incredibly is a baseless, naive, ignorant statement.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 08, 2011, 11:13:45 AMFirst of all, where has MU or anyone ever stated it was tolerated?
No, but if you rubber-stamp Broeker, it gives the impression that it is being tolerated.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 08, 2011, 11:13:45 AMSecondly, define "what".... do you really know what happened?
That question is irrelevant. What I do or do not know doesn't matter. It's the perception that's out there of what happened.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 08, 2011, 11:13:45 AMIs part of the "what" the fact that MU did not break basically every privacy law on the books and tell you what each person specifically said in each incident?
Again, irrelevant.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 08, 2011, 11:13:45 AMIt seems to me Singleton was removed from the program...how's that for tolerance?
Dave Singleton is an unknown walk-on that never played for us. His name won't resonate with any of our critics. It doesn't matter what we, the Marquette faithful, think, it's what people outside of Marquette think. And none of them give a damn about Dave Singleton.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 08, 2011, 11:13:45 AMBlue went thru the system and paid his price. Hopefully, he learned his lesson and my guess is it was addressed with the coaches and the team and Vander had his penalties to pay within the confines of the team.
Hopefully so. But this isn't about internal actions, it's about actions that are visible to the general public.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 08, 2011, 11:13:45 AMThe other incident was on a drunken Halloween party with innappropraite harrassment. Again, my guess is there were repercussions for the players that Mu has chosen not to tell you about.
To make a statement that was has happened "has been tolerated" is incredibly is a baseless, naive, ignorant statement.
The only naive, ignorant statements here are you thinking that my opinion or knowledge is even remotely salient to the current debate. This isn't about me, this isn't about you.
Bottom line, Marquette should have a positive face to the outside world. Not just people who view us neutrally, but if nothing else, potential recruits. Say a recruit is considering Marquette and Random University. Right after we hire Broeker, the coach from Random U is sitting in the recruit's living room, telling mom "You heard about the sexual assault with the basketball team at Marquette, right? Did you know that right after that happened, they promoted the director of the basketball program to director of all athletics?" How does that go over? Not very well, I'm guessing.
We have to conduct a thorough search and can't just rubber-stamp an in-house hire. Whomever we pick has to be able to project the image that they are here to clean up what's been going on, even if it was isolated incidents that are unlikely to be repeated, because we have to project the right image to the public and to future students and recruits. We have to convince future recruits parents that their kids will be given the correct guidance at Marquette and we have to convince future students that they don't have to fear going to a University where the basketball team is allowed to run wild. Whether that's the case or not is completely irrelevant, it's the perception that has been painted by the MJS and the Trib and needs to be refuted by our new AD hire.
The events of the past year, regardless of what is true or what anyone knows, have been a black eye on the basketball program and Marquette University as a whole. This hire must be a move to counteract that perception. Anything less would do a disservice to the school and everyone involved with it, including us as alumni.
Sorry TT, looks like someone beat you to Pintens:
http://insideoregon.uoregon.edu/lsu%E2%80%99s-craig-pintens-hired-for-uo-athletics-marketing-pr/
Quote from: AhoyaX on September 09, 2011, 09:40:37 AM
Sorry TT, looks like someone beat you to Pintens:
http://insideoregon.uoregon.edu/lsu%E2%80%99s-craig-pintens-hired-for-uo-athletics-marketing-pr/
I still maintain my campaign for Pintens!
You could hire a guy from both within and outside the program with Pintens!
Many dislike the Golden Eagle. Well, Craig is known to take out mascots.....
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Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2011, 08:34:10 PM
Bottom line, Marquette should have a positive face to the outside world. Not just people who view us neutrally, but if nothing else, potential recruits. Say a recruit is considering Marquette and Random University. Right after we hire Broeker, the coach from Random U is sitting in the recruit's living room, telling mom "You heard about the sexual assault with the basketball team at Marquette, right? Did you know that right after that happened, they promoted the director of the basketball program to director of all athletics?" How does that go over? Not very well, I'm guessing.
Really? Really?
I guess that would never happen. I also would guess that parents would just as easily be offended by a coach who tries those kinds of recruiting tactics.
And if that's truly your position, why keep Buzz Williams?
After all ... "You heard about the sexual assault with the basketball team at Marquette, right? Did you know that right after that happened, they gave the head basketball coach a huge raise and contract extension?"
How does that go over?
And don't you think parents and recruits are going to be far more concerned over such issues with the head coach than some administrator?
All the arguments you make here could just as readily - and probably more convincingly - be used against Buzz Williams.
Yet I don't recall you leading the charge for Buzz's ouster ... you know, for the sake of Marquette's image.
I'm usually a big admirer of your posts, but this one is nonsense.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 09, 2011, 09:47:51 AM
I still maintain my campaign for Pintens!
You could hire a guy from both within and outside the program with Pintens!
You looking to extend your Palermo's Pizza giveaway scam a few more seasons? ;D
Quote from: Pakuni on September 09, 2011, 10:08:27 AM
Really? Really?
I guess that would never happen. I also would guess that parents would just as easily be offended by a coach who tries those kinds of recruiting tactics.
And if that's truly your position, why keep Buzz Williams?
After all ... "You heard about the sexual assault with the basketball team at Marquette, right? Did you know that right after that happened, they gave the head basketball coach a huge raise and contract extension?"
How does that go over?
And don't you think parents and recruits are going to be far more concerned over such issues with the head coach than some administrator?
All the arguments you make here could just as readily - and probably more convincingly - be used against Buzz Williams.
Yet I don't recall you leading the charge for Buzz's ouster ... you know, for the sake of Marquette's image.
I'm usually a big admirer of your posts, but this one is nonsense.
I have no doubt that there are coaches and programs that will and do use negative recruiting tactics. Saying that doesn't happen is like saying there aren't douchebags in college basketball. And I'm not championing Buzz to be removed any more than I wanted Cottingham to go or any more than I think Broeker couldn't do the job.
All I'm saying is that a serious, nationwide search for a new AD should occur because we have an image to clean up. Frankly, I think this whole thing is probably overblown. But the truth is that the situation is out there. Cottingham is now gone. We are in a position to make a clean-up statement with our hire. Had Buzz stepped down, I'd be saying adamantly that we shouldn't just rubber-stamp Benford to replace him.
We didn't have to get rid of anyone, but now that we have, we should treat replacing that person as serious business, not just looking at the list and saying "who's next in line?"
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 09, 2011, 10:36:59 AM
You looking to extend your Palermo's Pizza giveaway scam a few more seasons? ;D
I have never won a Palermo's Pizza in the Pintens era! Post-Pintens yes.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 09, 2011, 10:47:29 AM
I have no doubt that there are coaches and programs that will and do use negative recruiting tactics. Saying that doesn't happen is like saying there aren't douchebags in college basketball. And I'm not championing Buzz to be removed any more than I wanted Cottingham to go or any more than I think Broeker couldn't do the job.
My point is not that there won't be negative recruiting, and perhaps not negative recruiting about the sex assault accusations, but that negative recruiting will be directed toward the head coach, not some largely unknown administrator. After all, the same negative things one could day about Broeker could just as easily, and probably more effectively, be used against Buzz. What makes you think a negative recruiter would say such things about the AD, but give the head coach a pass?
And it seems inconsistent of you to raise these issues as a reason not to promote Broeker while offering no objection to the extension and raise for Buzz.
As you say, this whole thing is probably overblown. My guess is that 12-18 months from now, nobody even talks or thinks about it outside those who really dislike MU or those here who need something to complain about.
On the other hand, the selection of MU's next athletic director could have implications for many, many years, especially amid another round of conference reshuffling.
In that situation, I want the best, most capable person. If that's not Broeker, then by all means go get someone else. But if it is Broeker, it would be remarkably shortsighted to eliminate him from consideration because you believe it will create a temporary (and, IMO, insignificant) PR benefit. Believe me, any goodwill you think going outside the organization might create vanishes the instant MU is left on the outside looking when the dust settles on conference realignment.
Just hire the best person.
I'm not saying eliminate him at all. Personally, I'd be fine with having Cottingham still in charge. I wasn't in favor of anyone being fired or dismissed.
But we have the situation we have. We have to hire a new AD.
I just want us to do a thorough search and interview more than one in-house candidate. Bring in guys from other programs, bring in Craig Pintens (gotta keep TT happy), and by all means, let Broeker interview for the job. If he's the best candidate, hire him. If he isn't, don't. But at least conduct a broad search. The rubber-stamp isn't the way to go in this case.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 09, 2011, 12:04:27 PM
My point is not that there won't be negative recruiting, and perhaps not negative recruiting about the sex assault accusations, but that negative recruiting will be directed toward the head coach, not some largely unknown administrator. After all, the same negative things one could day about Broeker could just as easily, and probably more effectively, be used against Buzz. What makes you think a negative recruiter would say such things about the AD, but give the head coach a pass?
And it seems inconsistent of you to raise these issues as a reason not to promote Broeker while offering no objection to the extension and raise for Buzz.
As you say, this whole thing is probably overblown. My guess is that 12-18 months from now, nobody even talks or thinks about it outside those who really dislike MU or those here who need something to complain about.
On the other hand, the selection of MU's next athletic director could have implications for many, many years, especially amid another round of conference reshuffling.
In that situation, I want the best, most capable person. If that's not Broeker, then by all means go get someone else. But if it is Broeker, it would be remarkably shortsighted to eliminate him from consideration because you believe it will create a temporary (and, IMO, insignificant) PR benefit. Believe me, any goodwill you think going outside the organization might create vanishes the instant MU is left on the outside looking when the dust settles on conference realignment.
Just hire the best person.
Oh no Pakuni you are dead wrong. Everything to do with MU is tainted...in fact Mu is still a laughing stock and a topic of converstaion everywhere I go.
In fact, I was at a cocktail party just the other day in Indiana where someone said "Make no mistake, unless MU proves to me through an extensive external search that they are remorseful for all of those awful allegations I read on message boards, blogs and the Urinal Sentinal...unless they do ....Well I just dont know what I will do...but they are bad, I swear they are bad." Then he went on to mutter something about altar boys.
Then and only then did I know Brewcity was right and MU was rotten to the core. And we did need that White Knight, not only to fix everything that was clearly wrong at MU but also to let all out there know that Mu's values were not just a sham and that we truly were committed to righteousness.
Good Grief
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on September 09, 2011, 03:59:27 PM
Oh no Pakuni you are dead wrong. Everything to do with MU is tainted...in fact Mu is still a laughing stock and a topic of converstaion everywhere I go.
In fact, I was at a cocktail party just the other day in Indiana where someone said "Make no mistake, unless MU proves to me through an extensive external search that they are remorseful for all of those awful allegations I read on message boards, blogs and the Urinal Sentinal...unless they do ....Well I just dont know what I will do...but they are bad, I swear they are bad." Then he went on to mutter something about altar boys.
Then and only then did I know Brewcity was right and MU was rotten to the core. And we did need that White Knight, not only to fix everything that was clearly wrong at MU but also to let all out there know that Mu's values were not just a sham and that we truly were committed to righteousness.
Good Grief
You really do live in your own little world, don't you? Did you read anything I wrote, or just use one of these?
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Quote from: brewcity77 on September 09, 2011, 05:07:24 PM
You really do live in your own little world, don't you? Did you read anything I wrote, or just use one of these?
It's a million dollar idea!