I know that the topic of why can't we bring back our football team is always discussed around here and I always think the same thing, besides the money issue we would suck for so long and it wouldn't even be enjoyable to watch, so why not start a team that can win and be successful.
Ever since we decided to go D1 in lacrosse my friends and I have discussed why not start a D1 hockey team? I understand title 9 and everything that goes along with that. But if we were to start another D1 sports team why not hockey?
Milwaukee is in such a hotbed for recruiting with Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan all haveing great hockey and then throw in a few Illinois players plus Canadians and you got your self a contender. The Bradley Center was built for hockey so you already have an arena. The city of Milwaukee would eventually rally behind MU since there is no NHL team and the admirals aren't the hottest ticket in town. Basically the bottom line is that I really hope one day soon we get a hockey team at Marquette, plus our uniforms would be amazing.
Another reason to get a $7, 24 oz Miller Lite at the Bradley Center. I love it!
Quote from: cbowe3 on August 05, 2011, 04:15:41 PM
I know that the topic of why can't we bring back our football team is always discussed around here and I always think the same thing, besides the money issue we would suck for so long and it wouldn't even be enjoyable to watch, so why not start a team that can win and be successful.
Ever since we decided to go D1 in lacrosse my friends and I have discussed why not start a D1 hockey team? I understand title 9 and everything that goes along with that. But if we were to start another D1 sports team why not hockey?
Milwaukee is in such a hotbed for recruiting with Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan all haveing great hockey and then throw in a few Illinois players plus Canadians and you got your self a contender. The Bradley Center was built for hockey so you already have an arena. The city of Milwaukee would eventually rally behind MU since there is no NHL team and the admirals aren't the hottest ticket in town. Basically the bottom line is that I really hope one day soon we get a hockey team at Marquette, plus our uniforms would be amazing.
First question that comes to my mind is "Where do the Admirals practice?" because getting use of the ice in the BC for 10 hours a week can't be easy.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on August 05, 2011, 05:23:30 PM
First question that comes to my mind is "Where do the Admirals practice?" because getting use of the ice in the BC for 10 hours a week can't be easy.
Are they still down at Wilson Park where they used to play before the BC was built?
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on August 05, 2011, 05:23:30 PMFirst question that comes to my mind is "Where do the Admirals practice?" because getting use of the ice in the BC for 10 hours a week can't be easy.
There's also the Pettit. Not sure how hard time is to come by there, but it's a possibility. If they put the team on a bus, it's probably not more than a 10 minute ride from campus.
Is the Al big enough for hockey? I would think that place would make a ROCKIN venue.
Here is why this is a bad idea:
1. No place to practice that is close to campus. (And by close, I mean within walking distance.)
2. Milwaukee is a bad hockey city. The city of Milwaukee wouldn't "rally around" a MU hockey team - they would ignore it. They'd be playing in front of crowds of 5,000 at the BC.
3. Milwaukee isn't in a hotbed of hockey recruiting. The amazing thing about UW is that Madison isn't in a hot bed of hockey recruiting. They get most of their players anywhere *but* Wisconsin.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 05, 2011, 08:40:21 PM
Here is why this is a bad idea:
1. No place to practice that is close to campus. (And by close, I mean within walking distance.)
2. Milwaukee is a bad hockey city. The city of Milwaukee wouldn't "rally around" a MU hockey team - they would ignore it. They'd be playing in front of crowds of 5,000 at the BC.
3. Milwaukee isn't in a hotbed of hockey recruiting. The amazing thing about UW is that Madison isn't in a hot bed of hockey recruiting. They get most of their players anywhere *but* Wisconsin.
1. Obviously, Sultan has never played hockey. Ask every NHL player and 95% of them will tell you they've never lived - and still don't live - within walking distance of a rink... it's not a deterrent when you're used to it.
2. Milwaukee isn't a basketball city either (see: Bucks, Milwaukee), but MU seems to draw pretty well.
3. When you're recruiting kids hailing from the upper Midwest and Canada, Milwaukee is much easier sell than Miami, Lexington, Austin or Tucson. Plus, most women's hockey players are from Wisconsin & Minnesota.
1. Not many college hockey programs, if any, at the D1 level have to bus their players to a site off-campus to practice. Instant recruiting disadvantage.
2. Milwaukee is a very good basketball city. When the Bucks put out even a decent product, the fans show up. MU is another example.
3. I don't care if it's an easier sell than Tucson, I care if its an easier sell than Duluth, Grand Forks and Madison. And I doubt it is in front of a 1/3 full Bradley Center.
Quote from: Jam Chowder on August 05, 2011, 08:22:46 PM
Is the Al big enough for hockey? I would think that place would make a ROCKIN venue.
Pretty hard to do hockey at the Al when the building wasn't built with a system to freeze ice. Can't even put it in, there's a gym underneath the floor.
Hockey rinks are not all that expensive to build, especially those that are needed for practice facilities. I live in WNY, a hotbed for hockey. One of the local community colleges put up a four rink hockey palace ten years ago. This is a community college, not even close to the size of MU. The college then proceded to rent the ice to local leagues. The ice was also used for high school games and college games. MU could easily due the same thing. Put up a twin rink facility and use the ice for practice as well as local leagues. Heck, the mu club team could use the ice as well or even intramural ice hockey. I agree that Milwaukee is not a hotbed heaven, however if MU wanted to they could get the program going with fairly low costs. As previous posters stated, they could then play at the Bradley center or even at the campus facility for some games. As for title 9, they could add a women's team as well. Frankly, I am quite surprised they started a lacrosse program before hockey as lacrosse is even less popular in Milwaukee than hockey.
You are probably looking at something like this...
http://www.uwbadgers.com/genrel/111710aae.html
Bigger...but without the swimming pool. This is $27M. The bigger question is, where do you put it?
The reason lacrosse was so easy to add is that there is a facility for the program already on campus.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 06, 2011, 10:12:34 AMYou are probably looking at something like this...
http://www.uwbadgers.com/genrel/111710aae.html
Bigger...but without the swimming pool. This is $27M. The bigger question is, where do you put it?
The reason lacrosse was so easy to add is that there is a facility for the program already on campus.
My high school (Arrowhead) built its own hockey rink. If they can afford it, I'm sure Marquette could afford a practice facility as well. You could probably build it for 2/3 the cost if you didn't include the swimming venue. For the first couple years, use it as the home rink as well, just to make sure you can draw before trying to move to the BC. In addition, you could try to make some money back by allowing open skates (for a fee) and offering it as a training facility to other teams.
Side question: Where does Milwaukee Marquette practice/play games? They have a hockey team, and are just up the street.But you're right in terms of the "where do you put it?" question. There might be space in the valley, but I'm sure that land is probably owned by Potowatomie. Not sure if they'd be willing to sell. There's the parking lot across from the Al, that's big enough, but I can't remember who parks there, and if you'd have to find them new parking that might be tough.
Another problem is what does it accomplish, in the long term? The Big East doesn't have hockey. UConn is in Atlantic Hockey while Providence is in Hockey East. Are there any other Big East members that even have hockey? It might be good for the University, but it doesn't necessarily help our long-term goals of maintaining membership in a BCS conference.
And college hockey is rapidly devolving into a have and have not proposition. With Penn State adding the program, the B10 is going to start its own conference which takes away four of the biggest "western" programs - Wisc, Minn, Mich and MSU. The top of what is left over is going to be forming its own conference, which will include Denver, North Dakota, Nebraska - Omaha, Colorado College and Duluth - with talks that Notre Dame might join them.
What is left over is a bunch of crap. And that is where MU would need to be.
Diperdandy- Lacrosse is not that cheap. My friend who played at Umass, his dad went to MU and was at a fundraiser in NYC a few weeks ago and they raised 13 million to build an indoor facility. I dont know where this is going or when its its gettin built but its happening. With the Milwaukee weather they need to do something indoors.
As for you guys who are saying Milwaukee is not a hotbed for hockey your nuts. Hockey players are a diffrent bread and would LOVE Miltown.
Quote from: cbowe3 on August 07, 2011, 11:22:31 AM
As for you guys who are saying Milwaukee is not a hotbed for hockey your nuts. Hockey players are a diffrent bread and would LOVE Miltown.
Whether or not hockey players would love Milwaukee isn't relevant to the fact that Milwaukee is simply not a hotbed for hockey.
The Admirals attendance stinks. Wisconsin stopped playing at the BC in their holiday tournament because of attendance issues. There are only about a dozen high schools in the entire metro area with a hockey team and the area has not produced a hockey player of significance that I am aware of.
Quote from: cbowe3 on August 07, 2011, 11:22:31 AM
I dont know where this is going or when its its gettin built but its happening. With the Milwaukee weather they need to do something indoors.
Ok, where?
What about US Celluar Arena? Already has an ice rink in place. Sits around 11,000-12,000, so it would be right size to have that crazy atmosphere for a hockey game.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 07, 2011, 12:48:05 PM
Whether or not hockey players would love Milwaukee isn't relevant to the fact that Milwaukee is simply not a hotbed for hockey.
The Admirals attendance stinks. Wisconsin stopped playing at the BC in their holiday tournament because of attendance issues. There are only about a dozen high schools in the entire metro area with a hockey team and the area has not produced a hockey player of significance that I am aware of.
+1
Besides the fact that there are not players coming out of the HS here, most collegiate hockey players play juniors in the USHL for a few years and I can't think of many players coming out of those leagues and moving on to college with Wisconsin ties, even with the Green Bay Gamblers being a fairly significant team in the league. Madison has a few every once and awhile but with the "strong" programs at Arrowhead, USM, assorted North Shore schools, Brookfield, etc... I can't think of anyone moving on to play.
So that leaves Minnesota and Illinois and frankly those kids would just as well go play at Notre Dame, Miami (OH), Minnesota, or MSU/UM than play for a start up Marquette program. I like the idea, its just not that feasible especially when you would be looking at a conference with, at best, teams like Bowling Green, Alabama-Huntsville, Lake Superior State, Mercyhurst, Robert Morris, etc... Not exactly a buzzworthy situation.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 08, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Besides the fact that there are not players coming out of the HS here, most collegiate hockey players play juniors in the USHL for a few years and I can't think of many players coming out of those leagues and moving on to college with Wisconsin ties,
Well, there are a few actually. But most of them are from the Madison area: Phil Kessel, Adam Burish, Jack Skille, Ryan Suter...and those are just the ones that went to UW.
Joe Pavelski of the Sharks is from Stevens Point also. As a Wings fan I cant stand that guy.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 08, 2011, 10:21:47 AM
Well, there are a few actually. But most of them are from the Madison area: Phil Kessel, Adam Burish, Jack Skille, Ryan Suter...and those are just the ones that went to UW.
Kessel actually played one year of college hockey at Minnesota.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on August 08, 2011, 11:41:12 AM
Kessel actually played one year of college hockey at Minnesota.
And Suiter didn't play HS hockey in Wisconsin, he went to Culver before making the USNDT. But I understand the point, I mentioned that Madison produced a few. If someone finds similar players or whatnot from the Milwaukee area, I'll stand corrected.
There is only one downside when it comes to hockey, and it has nothing to do with facilities, home-grown talent, Milwaukee not being a hockey-town, etc.
The shortfall is, as Brew77 suggested, what is accomplished?
1) Marquette meets the minimum D-I offerings for Big East membership. Hockey adds nothing to solidifying MU's status unless the BE decides to add it (which - actually - isn't too far fetched).
2) Hockey isn't a revenue producing sport and likely wouldn't be for a long time (if ever). If getting another athletic program into the black long-term is the goal, football is the better prospect (one BCS appearance is probably worth more than a dozen Frozen Four appearances).
3) I'm not sure what kind of goodwill or enrollment increases would be obtained by adding hockey, but my guess is "insignificant at best." Students barely attend basketball games as it is... how many would show up for hockey games on alternate weekends?
If MU is hell-bent on adding another sport - any sport - within the next two years, hockey is probably one of the best options there are simply because it's feasible that a program could be up and running in a matter of months.
Hockey would be more profitable (i.e. less unprofitable) than LAX, but LAX accomplishes something. Football would not only accomplish something but could actually be profitable in a few years (if you exclude the exorbitant initial capital costs), but the lead-time in getting the money raised & a program going is at least five years... probably longer.
Honestly... the Big East should add hockey. It's never going to compete with SEC, B10 or B12 football, nor does it have to. Hockey is a natural fit for most BE schools... even Louisville and Cincinnati have enough interest in the sport that they're able to sustain ACHA programs - granted you're not going to create a D-I team from a bunch of club players, but interest is generated from the grassroots level, and there is plenty of grass in Cincy and Louis. Heck, TCU and USF may even be interested in getting into the act. Hockey is a big draw in the NE, even on television... it might just be the missing piece in being able to launch a full-time BE Network. You don't need a Ralph (a reference to UND's gaudy monstrosity) in order to house a program, although I'd go to a game at Marquette's "Dick" anytime.
There just aren't enough Big East schools that play hockey to just suddenly create a hockey conference. Notre Dame and Providence are the only two schools that play it on a "high" level...UConn is the only other school that plays it at all.
back to fucking this chicken are we?
I've argued in the past that MU should add hockey, but it was merely self interested. I'd like to watch hockey played by an MU. I understand the logistical problems and costs outweigh any benefits
but it'd still be fun to watch
Realistically, both the BC and US Cellular would be too big and probably cost too much to rent. Of the 58 teams that competed the last two years in D1, only three averaged 10,000 or more in attendance.
Notre Dame, around the middle of the pack in attendance and with an on-campus facility, averaged about 2800 people last season.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 08, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
+1
Besides the fact that there are not players coming out of the HS here, most collegiate hockey players play juniors in the USHL for a few years and I can't think of many players coming out of those leagues and moving on to college with Wisconsin ties, even with the Green Bay Gamblers being a fairly significant team in the league. Madison has a few every once and awhile but with the "strong" programs at Arrowhead, USM, assorted North Shore schools, Brookfield, etc... I can't think of anyone moving on to play.
So that leaves Minnesota and Illinois and frankly those kids would just as well go play at Notre Dame, Miami (OH), Minnesota, or MSU/UM than play for a start up Marquette program. I like the idea, its just not that feasible especially when you would be looking at a conference with, at best, teams like Bowling Green, Alabama-Huntsville, Lake Superior State, Mercyhurst, Robert Morris, etc... Not exactly a buzzworthy situation.
I see your point here but you fail to mention the major recruiting source for all college hockey, CANADA!!! I hate to break it to you but the USHL is garbage compared to the OHL and other junior leagues in Canada. If you can recruit successfully in Canada, you can do just fine in college hockey. That being said, you still have to get the players to come. However, if I were a canadian player and I had the option of playing in Milwaukee or Moose Jaw, I think it would be a no brainer!
Quote from: DiaperDandy on August 09, 2011, 07:32:17 PM
I see your point here but you fail to mention the major recruiting source for all college hockey, CANADA!!! I hate to break it to you but the USHL is garbage compared to the OHL and other junior leagues in Canada. If you can recruit successfully in Canada, you can do just fine in college hockey. That being said, you still have to get the players to come. However, if I were a canadian player and I had the option of playing in Milwaukee or Moose Jaw, I think it would be a no brainer!
I failed to mention it because its really not a huge area of recruiting. Most of the kids that play in Canada, that are good enough to play for colleges in the US, end up playing in OHL or the WHL. The OHL isn't a feeder for college hockey like the USHL is, its an alternative. Its a pain in the ass for top college hockey programs who have recruits drafted by NHL teams cause some NHL teams will encourage their signees to eschew college and play Canadian Juniors cause they feel the longer season aides development.
If you look at the top teams in the NCAAs right now, there is not a heavy Canadian component. Miami (OH) has 2, Notre Dame has 3, BC has 1, Minnesota Duluth has 4-5, Boston U has 4, and Wisconsin has 3.
So as you can see, its not a heavy recruiting area. By and large, as of late, most of the kids who play D-1 hockey are kids from the US. And your point about Moosejaw vs Milwaukee? I bet alot of those Canadian kids have never ever heard of Milwaukee. Milwaukee is the 28th largest city in the US. The 28th largest city in Canada? Guelph, Ontario. I don't see that registering with alot of Americans. The point is these Canadian kids prefer to stay and play in a place and culture they know, hence the popularity of the WHL and OHL and why college hockey hasnt taken off in Canada.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 10, 2011, 10:02:39 AM
I failed to mention it because its really not a huge area of recruiting. Most of the kids that play in Canada, that are good enough to play for colleges in the US, end up playing in OHL or the WHL. The OHL isn't a feeder for college hockey like the USHL is, its an alternative. Its a pain in the ass for top college hockey programs who have recruits drafted by NHL teams cause some NHL teams will encourage their signees to eschew college and play Canadian Juniors cause they feel the longer season aides development.
If you look at the top teams in the NCAAs right now, there is not a heavy Canadian component. Miami (OH) has 2, Notre Dame has 3, BC has 1, Minnesota Duluth has 4-5, Boston U has 4, and Wisconsin has 3.
So as you can see, its not a heavy recruiting area. By and large, as of late, most of the kids who play D-1 hockey are kids from the US. And your point about Moosejaw vs Milwaukee? I bet alot of those Canadian kids have never ever heard of Milwaukee. Milwaukee is the 28th largest city in the US. The 28th largest city in Canada? Guelph, Ontario. I don't see that registering with alot of Americans. The point is these Canadian kids prefer to stay and play in a place and culture they know, hence the popularity of the WHL and OHL and why college hockey hasnt taken off in Canada.
How dare you besmirch the name of Guelph, Ontario.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 10, 2011, 10:02:39 AM
I failed to mention it because its really not a huge area of recruiting. Most of the kids that play in Canada, that are good enough to play for colleges in the US, end up playing in OHL or the WHL. The OHL isn't a feeder for college hockey like the USHL is, its an alternative. Its a pain in the ass for top college hockey programs who have recruits drafted by NHL teams cause some NHL teams will encourage their signees to eschew college and play Canadian Juniors cause they feel the longer season aides development.
If you look at the top teams in the NCAAs right now, there is not a heavy Canadian component. Miami (OH) has 2, Notre Dame has 3, BC has 1, Minnesota Duluth has 4-5, Boston U has 4, and Wisconsin has 3.
So as you can see, its not a heavy recruiting area. By and large, as of late, most of the kids who play D-1 hockey are kids from the US. And your point about Moosejaw vs Milwaukee? I bet alot of those Canadian kids have never ever heard of Milwaukee. Milwaukee is the 28th largest city in the US. The 28th largest city in Canada? Guelph, Ontario. I don't see that registering with alot of Americans. The point is these Canadian kids prefer to stay and play in a place and culture they know, hence the popularity of the WHL and OHL and why college hockey hasnt taken off in Canada.
Rest assured, there are three non-24 hour cities that register with Canadians: Milwaukee, St. Louis, and Golden, CO.
Nevertheless, not only have I been to Guelph, I've played hockey in Guelph... on the University campus, no less. Only place I've ever played that has a full-sized sports bar overlooking a 1,000-seat rink... which would actually go over quite well in Milwaukee. Must be something about 28th place that makes you want to drink beer and play hockey.
Anyhoo... don't discount the role that the lack of D-I Hockey schools and scholarships to go around in the U.S. (relative to the number of 18-20 y/o jr.-level players who would be interested in such) plays in the attractiveness of the OHL and WHL amongst the players. I would bet that most OHL and WHL players are playing there simply because their choice was playing for the Guelph Storm or the MSOE Red Raiders. Throw in the options of playing D-I hockey in Storrs, Syracuse, Milwaukee, Chicago, Jersey or NYC, and all of the sudden, Guelph ain't lookin' so hot.
In other words, if the NFL only had 15 teams, I'm sure the CFL would attract much more talent.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 06, 2011, 10:41:47 AM
My high school (Arrowhead) built its own hockey rink. If they can afford it, I'm sure Marquette could afford a practice facility as well. You could probably build it for 2/3 the cost if you didn't include the swimming venue. For the first couple years, use it as the home rink as well, just to make sure you can draw before trying to move to the BC. In addition, you could try to make some money back by allowing open skates (for a fee) and offering it as a training facility to other teams.
The University of Arrowhead has more $$.
Quote from: Benny B on August 10, 2011, 10:51:31 AM
Anyhoo... don't discount the role that the lack of D-I Hockey schools and scholarships to go around in the U.S. (relative to the number of 18-20 y/o jr.-level players who would be interested in such) plays in the attractiveness of the OHL and WHL amongst the players. I would bet that most OHL and WHL players are playing there simply because their choice was playing for the Guelph Storm or the MSOE Red Raiders. Throw in the options of playing D-I hockey in Storrs, Syracuse, Milwaukee, Chicago, Jersey or NYC, and all of the sudden, Guelph ain't lookin' so hot.
In other words, if the NFL only had 15 teams, I'm sure the CFL would attract much more talent.
I was more stating the fact that, with all the Canadian talent, the vast majority of D-1 hockey players are Americans. Meanwhile Canadians outnumber Americans in the NHL 2-1. So its not like most Canadians couldnt play here if they wanted to.
The point I'm trying to make is that I don't feel banking on Canadian players playing for your squad is a main component of D-1 hockey recruiting. The only school I know of, in terms of the big boys, that has alot of Canadians is North Dakota, and thats as much proximity as anything as most of those kids are from Alberta and Saskatchewan (oh, hi Toews).
DiaperDandy is correct in saying the USHL is garbage compared to the OHL, cause by and large the average player in Canada is better than the average American. But to say that Canada is the major recruiting source for college hockey is just patently false.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 10, 2011, 01:01:19 PM
that has alot of Canadians is North Dakota, and thats as much proximity as anything as most of those kids are from Alberta and Saskatchewan (oh, hi Toews).
Toews is from Winnipeg, Manitoba...but you are right it is not very far from Grand Forks....he also played one year of high school hockey at Shattuck St. Mary's in Faribault, MN. Sidney Crosby, Gretzky's kid among many others have also played at Shattuck.
UND has 25 players with 11 from Canada and 7 from Minnesota. Whereas the Univ. of Minn has 16 out 19 players from Minnesota. National Champion UMD has 17 of 26 players from Minnesota and 7 from Canada.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 06, 2011, 10:41:47 AM
Side question: Where does Milwaukee Marquette practice/play games? They have a hockey team, and are just up the street.
MUHS both practices and plays their home games at Eble in Brookfield. Not ideal. The University School has a ridiculous setup on their campus. Nice venue for a game, for sure.
Quote from: muhs03 on August 10, 2011, 04:56:14 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 06, 2011, 10:41:47 AM
Side question: Where does Milwaukee Marquette practice/play games? They have a hockey team, and are just up the street.
MUHS both practices and plays their home games at Eble in Brookfield. Not ideal. The University School has a ridiculous setup on their campus. Nice venue for a game, for sure.
MSOE has a rink / training facility a block from Water St...they may be able to coordinate practice ice there if MU ever seriously considered a program...I'm sure MSOE would be willing to lease space temporarily...
Yeah I forgot about MSOE's team. They have a rink under their rec center right on there on Water dont they? We could definitly work something out with them to practice in, plus its pretty new. I really think that if Marquette did pursue a hockey team it turn out to be a really good thing.
Hockey is gaining a lot of popularity now especially with the Hawks being pretty good. With half of MU from the Chicago area there would be a major interest and fan support. Every single one of my friends would have loved a hockey team while in school, I'm sure others would enjoy it just as much.
I'd support MU Hockey.
As for where MU could purchase land to host the team?
I propose Eagle's Ballroom.
(http://www.maximumink.com/images/venues/rave.jpg)
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 12, 2011, 01:00:39 AM
I'd support MU Hockey.
As for where MU could purchase land to host the team?
I propose Eagle's Ballroom.
(http://www.maximumink.com/images/venues/rave.jpg)
Forget the teal, did you?
They just knocked down those useless stores across from Mashuda, one was a flower shop and the other some sort of Christian religious store. If they can somehow knock that Church down on 19th and Wisconsin they would have pleany of room to build something because all that is behind there is a field and a parking lot.
Speaking of that area, does anyone know what is going up there?
I heard it might be a Phil's chili
Quote from: cbowe3 on August 12, 2011, 08:05:27 AM
They just knocked down those useless stores across from Mashuda, one was a flower shop and the other some sort of Christian religious store. If they can somehow knock that Church down on 19th and Wisconsin they would have pleany of room to build something because all that is behind there is a field and a parking lot.
Speaking of that area, does anyone know what is going up there?
I heard a Pick N Save, but I know it was supposed to be an apartment building similar to 2040 Lofts.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on August 12, 2011, 12:47:59 PM
I heard a Pick N Save, but I know it was supposed to be an apartment building similar to 2040 Lofts.
Interesting...even with one right across the valley on National?
I find it interesting because that means there would be a liquor store directly accross the street from a dorm. Not that its hard to buy anywhere on campus but to have one litterally across the street would be pretty tight. Although its Mashuda so I'm not sure if those kids would enjoy it as much as if it were accross from McCormick
Quote from: foreverwarriors on August 12, 2011, 04:02:39 PM
Interesting...even with one right across the valley on National?
There was an article in the MU Trib this school year about how the campus sits in the middle of a nutritional disaster zone, so to speak, based on the availability of fresh groceries. It clearly wouldn't be a full size PnS, unless it's going to be a multi-floor store, which I doubt.
Quote from: cbowe3 on August 12, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
I find it interesting because that means there would be a liquor store directly accross the street from a dorm. Not that its hard to buy anywhere on campus but to have one litterally across the street would be pretty tight. Although its Mashuda so I'm not sure if those kids would enjoy it as much as if it were accross from McCormick
The space isn't big enough for a full store, so I imagine the university's pulled some strings to have that left out.
That said, even if it is in there, PnS takes their liquor license much more seriously than say, Kampus Foods.