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Mark Miller just tweeted this
"Marquette closing in on a couple of impressive recruits ... one from 2012 and another from 2013. Both ranked nationally."
Any idea in regards to what? New commit? New AD? New Uniforms?
Quote from: TheFarEastMovement on August 04, 2011, 10:53:12 AM
Any idea in regards to what? New commit? New AD? New Uniforms?
I'm hoping we have a 5 star uniform coming in 2012 and 2013.
Define "closing in"......
Would rather have heard "closing the deal".
Mark Miller is usually pretty reputable...so I'd say this is a very good piece of news...and rarely puts out stuff prematurely.
McGary and Koenig....a man can dream right?
Honestly, I have no idea who the 2013 might be, but I would be happy with any of the multitude of PFs that we have been looking at for 2012.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 04, 2011, 11:05:58 AM
McGary and Koenig....a man can dream right?
Honestly, I have no idea who the 2013 might be, but I would be happy with any of the multitude of PFs that we have been looking at for 2012.
Koenig isn't even an option for MU anymore.
Quote from: TheFarEastMovement on August 04, 2011, 10:53:12 AM
Any idea in regards to what? New commit? New AD? New Uniforms?
Or maybe the best looking bunch of freshman girls to invade the MU campus since the much heralded class of '75?
Quote from: groove on August 04, 2011, 11:45:17 AM
Or maybe the best looking bunch of freshman girls to invade the MU campus since the much heralded class of '75?
hahaha... nice
Quote from: RawdogDX on August 04, 2011, 10:53:11 AM
"Marquette closing in on a couple of impressive recruits ... one from 2012 and another from 2013. Both ranked nationally."
I'm not too familiar with the 2013 class, anyone have ideas/guesses as to who would be a likely candidate?
For 2013, Scout links us with:
47. Deonte Burton, 6'4" SF - originally from Milwaukee
63. Jaylon Tate, 6'2" PG - Chicago
79. Duane Wilson, 6'2" PG - Dominican
81. Luke Fisher, 6'8" PF - Germantown
83. Bronson Koenig, 6'3" PG - Aquinas
98. Treshawn Bolden, 6'8" PF - Natchez, MS
If I were to guess, it would be a local guy making a decision this early. Wilson or Fisher would be my guess...
I'm really hoping the 2012 is either McGary or Dunn. The McGary recruitment is hard to follow because it seems he isn't saying much, though his Twitter leads me to think UNC is the leader. Some thought Dunn was looking away from us, but a report yesterday said that we're still the favorite. Another guy who it's hard to get a read on because since saying "I want to go to Marquette" in March, he hasn't said much. Of course, both have gone from top-100 top likely top-10 type recruits over the past few months. I would guess that both of them end up top-25 RSCI by the time all is said and done.
2013 is a lot harder to handicap. The guys I know we've offered that seem like they wouldn't have to wait for the scholarship situation to clear up would be Deonte Burton, Brannen Greene, Jabari Parker, and Bronson Koenig. That said, I would probably drop dead of shock if either Parker or Koenig committed right now. Also, Greene is supposed to be attending Kansas' Late Night at the Phog this year. Maybe Burton?
Quote from: LAZER on August 04, 2011, 12:40:02 PM
I'm not too familiar with the 2013 class, anyone have ideas/guesses as to who would be a likely candidate?
No inside knowledge, but Deonte Burton is a big, physical buzz-type (aka switchable / 2-3) from Milwaukee...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102636/deonte-burton
...and, as long as we're speculating, he plays at Brewster Academy with a certain big-time recruit named Mitch McGary...package deal, perhaps???
Again, I have absolutely no knowledge, but that would be an amazing situation and, frankly, it doesn't seem too far fetched!
I think one plays for Mac Irvin Fire, we have been mentioned with them so much lately on twitter, and Buzz has been watching many of their games. Who could that be? Any ideas?
Quote from: jhags15 on August 04, 2011, 12:57:44 PM
I think one plays for Mac Irvin Fire, we have been mentioned with them so much lately on twitter, and Buzz has been watching many of their games. Who could that be? Any ideas?
Isn't Steve Taylor still playing for Mac Irvin Fire?
The first four names that come to mind for 2012 are McGary, Dunn, Taylor, and Shaquille Cleare. I'd be happy with any of those guys.
Quote from: MU_Iceman on August 04, 2011, 12:52:06 PM
No inside knowledge, but Deonte Burton is a big, physical buzz-type (aka switchable / 2-3) from Milwaukee...
6'4", 238!!!
Quote from: jhags15 on August 04, 2011, 12:57:44 PM
I think one plays for Mac Irvin Fire, we have been mentioned with them so much lately on twitter, and Buzz has been watching many of their games. Who could that be? Any ideas?
Steve Taylor, 6'7" switchable from Chicago...2012. This would not surprise me in the least if it were him.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102263/steve-taylor
Quote from: MU_Iceman on August 04, 2011, 12:52:06 PM
No inside knowledge, but Deonte Burton is a big, physical buzz-type (aka switchable / 2-3) from Milwaukee...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102636/deonte-burton
...and, as long as we're speculating, he plays at Brewster Academy with a certain big-time recruit named Mitch McGary...package deal, perhaps???
Again, I have absolutely no knowledge, but that would be an amazing situation and, frankly, it doesn't seem too far fetched!
Another package deal I wouldn't mind would be 2012 Steve Taylor and 2013 Jabari Parker, both from Mac Irvin Fire...
...ahh, to dream...
Everything I have seen lately about recruiting has involved Mac Irvin Fire in some way, I wouldn't be surprised at all if one of the two players is from that program. If we got that package deal from Mac Irvin Fire that would be pretty amazing.
Taylor - Tate combo.... Think they go to the same highschool... This would be good as a renewable line into chicago
According to the Scout guys, 6 schools have been mentioned with McGary's recruitment and MU is not one of them. That ship has sailed.
Quote from: muhs03 on August 04, 2011, 01:08:01 PM
According to the Scout guys, 6 schools have been mentioned with McGary's recruitment and MU is not one of them. That ship has sailed.
Which Scout guys? As of 1 week ago we were still being brought up with regards to his recruitment: http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/1089366.html
Quote from: muhs03 on August 04, 2011, 01:08:01 PM
According to the Scout guys, 6 schools have been mentioned with McGary's recruitment and MU is not one of them. That ship has sailed.
I don't think we'll get McGary, but he's been quiet personally about his recruitment, not really saying anything over the summer. The only thing he's said is that he hopes to make a decision before his senior year. Not sure if that means by the end of August (which could favor us, he's already visited here) or if it's before the basketball season starts. Either way, I trust little regarding his recruitment because he's been so quiet on schools recently.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 04, 2011, 01:19:37 PM
Which Scout guys? As of 1 week ago we were still being brought up with regards to his recruitment: http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/1089366.html
Evan Daniels updated today.
Quote from: muhs03 on August 04, 2011, 01:25:49 PM
Evan Daniels updated today.
Gotcha. Thanks buddy :)
Evan Daniels update from today:
Maybe the hottest commodity on the recruiting trail right now is Mitch McGary. The 6-foot-10 center was arguably the most dominant 2012 player all summer long, and now he has to take a strong look at his recruitment.
To this point everything has been played very close to the vest from the McGary camp. McGary, his parents, and AAU coach Wayne Brumm are in the process of figuring out what is next in the recruitment, and soon will narrow down the list of suitors after him.
A lot of teams are getting mentioned, but one under the radar that people are completely underestimating is Michigan. The Wolverines have built a good relationship with Brumm during the recruitment of Glenn Robinson III, and also they impressed McGary on a recent unofficial visit. Outside of Michigan, North Carolina, Duke, Maryland, Kentucky, and others will have a good chance of making the cut, but at the moment not a ton of solid information is out there.
All he says is that Michigan is a dark horse, UNC, Duke, Maryland, and Kentucky are in on him. Note the end of his update, "others will have a good chance of making the cut, but at the moment not a ton of solid information is out there." Pretty much echoing what I said, that he's been quiet. No reason from that update to think that we're out of it, just that none of the recruiting gurus really know where he's leaning.
Yeah, I suppose.
With Duke, UNC and UK solidly in the picture, Im taking the 'glass half-empty' approach to this recruitment.
Quote from: muhs03 on August 04, 2011, 02:22:20 PM
Yeah, I suppose.
With Duke, UNC and UK solidly in the picture, Im taking the 'glass half-empty' approach to this recruitment.
Yeah, I think it's the safest approach. I'm not expecting McGary. There are a few things in our favor, however. He did say that he wants to make a decision early on. He's also visited our campus multiple times (I believe three, but at least two). And we've been in on him longer than anyone else currently being mentioned.
If he values loyalty and takes a visit here early in September, it's possible that we could still get him. If he makes a decision in August, I think we'd have a good shot at being the school he picked (along with UNC). The longer it goes on, however, the worse I feel about our chances. If he doesn't decide until October, I'm sure we'll be out of it.
Quote from: RawdogDX on August 04, 2011, 10:53:11 AM
"Marquette closing in on a couple of impressive recruits ... one from 2012 and another from 2013. Both ranked nationally."
Pretty vague.
Good news is two weeks without a firing cloaked as a resignation. This would be great news.
Another DW, anyone? We'll see.
Very interesting. Hoping to hear some more good news soon!
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on August 04, 2011, 03:06:15 PMPretty vague.
Good news is two weeks without a firing cloaked as a resignation. This would be great news.
Another DW, anyone? We'll see.
We've already go a Derrick Wilson, why would we need another? ?-( ?-(
I'd be very surprised if it was McGary. At least a year ago, before he was a consensus top-10 recruit, he had said that Texas was his dream school. He also mentioned a desire to play for Duke or UNC if they were interested in him.
He may have changed his opinion based on visits and whatnot, but I'd be surprised.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on August 04, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
I'd be very surprised if it was McGary. At least a year ago, before he was a consensus top-10 recruit, he had said that Texas was his dream school. He also mentioned a desire to play for Duke or UNC if they were interested in him.
He may have changed his opinion based on visits and whatnot, but I'd be surprised.
Honestly, he's a coin flip guy. Texas offered a few months ago and the assumption was he'd go as soon as they offered...and he didn't. Then the rumor was that he'd go to UNC if they offered. They did, but so far, he hasn't gone. I'm guessing he's going to set up visits for September and make up his mind early on. According to Evan Daniels, he literally has around 50 schools trying to bring him in. But while everyone's interested in him, who knows which ones he's actually interested in. I just hope it's a quick recruitment so we can move on if he goes elsewhere.
Does anyone know anything about Brannen Greene, and where we stand with him? He would certainly be an impressive get from the 2013 class...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/124706
Edit: Nevermind, saw an earlier post.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on August 04, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
Does anyone know anything about Brannen Greene, and where we stand with him? He would certainly be an impressive get from the 2013 class...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/124706
As of 2 days ago: http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2011-0802/2011-orlando-aau-notebook-part-9-brannen-greene-tyler-cavanaugh-landry-nnoko-theo-pinson/
BRANNEN GREENE SETS LOUISVILLE VISIT; PLANNING OTHER TRIPS
Pushing 6-foot-7, Brannen Greene is a mismatch on the wing due to his height and refined skill set. The Monroe (GA) native is a solid athlete with a good build who can do quite a bit with the ball in his hands. Greene has a high basketball IQ and good court vision, allowing him to hit the open man in position to score. His handle is superb and he can get through the defense on the way to the rack. Greene finishes pretty well at the rim and is crafty down low against the big bodies. He has nice form on his jumper, though he has yet to become a truly consistent shooter from deep. Greene puts in effort at the defensive end and can cause problems on the perimeter due to his length.
Greene has seen his stock explode as much as anyone in the Class of 2013 this summer and he a school list to prove it. He said that he has offers from Louisville, Georgia Tech, Georgia, Alabama, Marquette, Florida State, Florida, Connecticut, Kansas, Ohio State, Memphis, South Carolina, the equivalent of such from Harvard as well as "a lot more."
In addition, he is hearing from Duke and Kentucky.
He claims no favorites at this point.
As for who is coming at him the hardest, he said, "Pretty much everybody, but I've–Ohio State, Memphis, [Georgia] Tech, UConn, FSU, and Florida I've probably been contacted by the most."Thus far, Greene has visited Alabama, Georgia Tech, South Carolina and Duke. He has other trips planned, though.
"The third I'll be visiting Louisville, August [third, that is]," Greene said."[On the] 28th of September I'll be visiting Harvard . . . I plan to visit Ohio State and Florida sometime too, but I'll visit anybody."
On when he plans to commit: "
Late November, early December is when I'm gonna make a short list and then shortly after that I'll decide."
Greene said he does not know of any schools that will for sure make the cut. He also said, "It won't be anymore than probably eight [schools on the list] though."
I'm going to guess Zach Auguste for 2012 and Deonte Burton for 2013..
Though I'd love to see Kris Dunn commit...Auguste or Taylor definitely would be great fits roster-complexion wise..
Quote from: Ners on August 04, 2011, 07:28:37 PMI'm going to guess Zach Auguste for 2012 and Deonte Burton for 2013..
Though I'd love to see Kris Dunn commit...Auguste or Taylor definitely would be great fits roster-complexion wise..
FWIW, I was hearing today that Auguste was a strong Notre Dame lean and that it'd be tough to get him away from them. No idea if there's anything to that. Also heard that unless Illinois offers, we're the team to beat for Taylor.
I'd put my money on Taylor for 2012...Burton or Tate for 2013. Those are three really solid players, Burton is one player I would love to have for 2013.
Looks like we just offered 2013 center Desmond Ringer (per Twitter BigDes_32) and he seemed pretty excited about it
ranked #8 center
Quote from: 2012 Warrior on August 04, 2011, 10:05:11 PM
Looks like we just offered 2013 center Desmond Ringer (per Twitter BigDes_32) and he seemed pretty excited about it
ranked #8 center
Pretty cool! Anyone know anything about Desmond? Seems like a pretty good player based on what I just read.
Anyone know where we are with Jabari Parker? I know we were on him for a while early, but now he's the number 2 recruit in the land. He was on a Dwayne Wade travel team though so I will pretend that he may still have interest.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 05, 2011, 08:15:50 AMAnyone know where we are with Jabari Parker? I know we were on him for a while early, but now he's the number 2 recruit in the land. He was on a Dwayne Wade travel team though so I will pretend that he may still have interest.
I'm sure we're still interested, but I'd guess he has a list as long as his arm right now of schools pursuing him. Unless he plans to declare soon, I doubt we'll hear anything concrete for at least a few months.
Quote from: Ners on August 04, 2011, 07:28:37 PM
I'm going to guess Zach Auguste for 2012 and Deonte Burton for 2013..
Though I'd love to see Kris Dunn commit...Auguste or Taylor definitely would be great fits roster-complexion wise..
Coach Buzz was out watching Deonte Burton v Amile Jefferson on Day 1 in Las Vegas. Not a bad sign.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/6795680/adidas-super-64-las-vegas-fab-48-day-1-recap
• Jefferson vs. Burton had a similarly large coaches section, with Gottfried, Anthony Grant (Alabama), Buzz Williams (Marquette), Thad Matta (Ohio State) and Johnny Dawkins (Stanford) looking on.Deonte Burton vs. Amile Jefferson
Burton drew first blood, going to work inside and out to make an early impact in the scoring column at the Las Vegas Fab 48. The Milwaukee native used his penetration to get within range of his jump hook, showed an improved touch at the 3-point line and even pulled up in the midrange area. But Jefferson, from Philadelphia, struck back early in the second half by getting out in the open floor and attacking proficiently from the mid-post area.
The individual battle was as close as the game itself when regulation ended with a tied score, but ultimately it was Burton who made the big plays down the stretch to lead his team to the double-overtime victory. It was one of the rising junior's most efficient performances to date, not just because of his versatility scoring the ball, but also because of his work on the defensive end as well as the glass.Deonte is rated a 94 by ESPN: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102636/deonte-burton
Quote from: Ners on August 04, 2011, 07:28:37 PM
I'm going to guess Zach Auguste for 2012 and Deonte Burton for 2013..
Though I'd love to see Kris Dunn commit...Auguste or Taylor definitely would be great fits roster-complexion wise..
Looks like Auguste is still bringing up Marquette in interviews:
The 6-foot-9 forward's most recent offers are Florida, West Virginia, Clemson and Marquette. However, when I asked him which schools those four joined he rattled off a few more but then had to pull out his cell phone where he keeps the complete list which now includes Florida, West Virginia, Clemson, Marquette, Georgia Tech, Minnesota, Missouri, DePaul, Providence, Notre Dame, Wake Forest, UMass, Oregon State, Penn State, Auburn, Washington State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech.
[...]
"I'm hoping to pick a top five or seven by the end of the month," Auguste said, adding that he isn't planning on taking any unofficial visits this month. 2012 PF
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/103374/zach-auguste
We have only one offer left. First come, first served!
Quote from: msbjim on August 09, 2011, 04:16:32 PM
We have only one offer left. First come, first served!
NO--it is not first come, first served. We are in a great position with respect to recruiting and no longer need to take the next guy who says that he will come. Buzz will take the best that he can get--even at the expense of others. It is offer one more than we have to offer and take the best. It is a great approach.
"We", not sure I understand your point. It seems that we have made a lot of offers to recruits for the one open position. If a player accepts it, are you saying that we may withdraw that offer that was on the table? Are we putting time deadlines on offers?
Quote from: msbjim on August 10, 2011, 08:40:23 AM
"We", not sure I understand your point. It seems that we have made a lot of offers to recruits for the one open position. If a player accepts it, are you saying that we may withdraw that offer that was on the table? Are we putting time deadlines on offers?
I think he's saying if Ray Lee or Devin Thomas were to commit today (both 3-star) and Kris Dunn and Shaquille Cleare called and said they wanted to commit tomorrow (both 5-star...or soon enough) that we'd go with Dunn and Cleare.
Honestly, my guess is that our final 2012 schollie will either be filled by Dunn and/or Cleare, or it will be filled after they have committed elsewhere.
Just saw that Zach Auguste included us in his final 8 list.
Quote from: Paul BiancardiZach Auguste narrows down list to 8 schools. Florida ,Marquette, Georgia Tech, Clemson ,Notre Dame ,West Virginia ,Providence and Auburn
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on August 04, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
Does anyone know anything about Brannen Greene, and where we stand with him? He would certainly be an impressive get from the 2013 class...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/124706
Edit: Nevermind, saw an earlier post.
Just a follow-up...we're still being mentioned with Greene, but his current planned visits include Florida, Kansas, and Harvard.
http://eye-on-college-basketball-recruiting.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29884776/31372898
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 10, 2011, 08:42:40 AM
I think he's saying if Ray Lee or Devin Thomas were to commit today (both 3-star) and Kris Dunn and Shaquille Cleare called and said they wanted to commit tomorrow (both 5-star...or soon enough) that we'd go with Dunn and Cleare.
Honestly, my guess is that our final 2012 schollie will either be filled by Dunn and/or Cleare, or it will be filled after they have committed elsewhere.
Yes, Brew that is correct.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2011, 11:29:05 AM
his current planned visits include Florida, Kansas, and Harvard.
Harvard is dessert?
http://www.youtube.com/v/ueZ6tvqhk8U?version=3&hl=en_US
BTW, Miller followed up with the following regarding the 2013 recruit:
"Snags have come up with the 2013 kid. May still happen, just not as soon as originally thought. Things like this happen all the time. MU still in great position with the prospect."
Too bad.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 19, 2011, 09:30:42 AMBTW, Miller followed up with the following regarding the 2013 recruit:
"Snags have come up with the 2013 kid. May still happen, just not as soon as originally thought. Things like this happen all the time. MU still in great position with the prospect."
Too bad.
Definitely, but still time. Would be a huge get to start our 2013 class.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 19, 2011, 09:30:42 AM
BTW, Miller followed up with the following regarding the 2013 recruit:
"Snags have come up with the 2013 kid. May still happen, just not as soon as originally thought. Things like this happen all the time. MU still in great position with the prospect."
Too bad.
Any guesses who this 2013 is? Actually...rephrase...any inside intel on who this might be?
I don't have any inside information, but if I were to guess, it would be Deonte Burton.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102636/deonte-burton
Apparently is interested in coming back to Milwaukee for college. (As opposed to Duane Wilson who apparently wants to look around and explore options.)
But who knows...
Quote from: MU_Iceman on August 19, 2011, 10:26:13 AM
Any guesses who this 2013 is? Actually...rephrase...any inside intel on who this might be?
I would say that most everyone knows the name and he is a highly regarded 2013 prospect. He'd have a chance to be Buzz's highest rated RSCI player so far if current ratings held out.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 19, 2011, 10:38:45 AM
I would say that most everyone knows the name and he is a highly regarded 2013 prospect. He'd have a chance to be Buzz's highest rated RSCI player so far if current ratings held out.
Can I ask why people don't come out and say the name then? I get that it's nothing official at all, so it could raise some excitement and be a huge letdown if he chooses not to come to Marquette, but that's what these topics are for. I'm guessing Burton, but I do not know who it's referring to either.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 19, 2011, 10:41:47 AMCan I ask why people don't come out and say the name then? I get that it's nothing official at all, so it could raise some excitement and be a huge letdown if he chooses not to come to Marquette, but that's what these topics are for. I'm guessing Burton, but I do not know who it's referring to either.
Because the people who I got the info from did so on pay-to-play websites, and they frown upon people sharing that on open forums. I know it happens, but I don't want people to think about reneging on my privileges because I shared info they didn't want to give for free. Trust me, I understand the aggravation with it, but I also respect the people that shared the info wanting to be paid for the work they put in.
Pretty sure I read somewhere in the last few days that Cleare's dad has mentioned that juco or prep school is a likely scenario because Shaq is far from qualifying academically.
Quote from: muhs03 on August 19, 2011, 10:46:57 AM
Pretty sure I read somewhere in the last few days that Cleare's dad has mentioned that juco or prep school is a likely scenario because Shaq is far from qualifying academically.
Heard that, but don't believe it. I haven't seen an official source anywhere on it, I just think it's UMD fans trying to justify why he hasn't verbaled yet. They think he's a lock, but I'm pretty sure we're still in the running.
quote]Because the people who I got the info from did so on pay-to-play websites, and they frown upon people sharing that on open forums. I know it happens, but I don't want people to think about reneging on my privileges because I shared info they didn't want to give for free. Trust me, I understand the aggravation with it, but I also respect the people that shared the info wanting to be paid for the work they put in.[/quote]
I didn't realise you were sworn to secrecy for life when you pay for info. Is there a secret hand shake too?[
Quote from: denverMU on August 19, 2011, 11:07:05 AMI didn't realise you were sworn to secrecy for life when you pay for info. Is there a secret hand shake too?
I believe I covered this kind of argument when I said "I also respect the people that shared the info wanting to be paid for the work they put in."
A 2013 kid really is along ways away. As much as it is important to get early commitments, it is
awhile before they can sign a letter of intent. Most of these kids change there mind anyway. If
it is Burton it would be great, his athleticism is off the charts. Different type of recruit. It is more
important to finish 2012 strong.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 19, 2011, 10:45:11 AM
Because the people who I got the info from did so on pay-to-play websites, and they frown upon people sharing that on open forums. I know it happens, but I don't want people to think about reneging on my privileges because I shared info they didn't want to give for free. Trust me, I understand the aggravation with it, but I also respect the people that shared the info wanting to be paid for the work they put in.
That makes sense. I just didn't understand why, if pretty much everyone knew, it was so harmful to put his name on here. But that makes sense, thanks.
Quote from: muhs03 on August 19, 2011, 10:46:57 AMPretty sure I read somewhere in the last few days that Cleare's dad has mentioned that juco or prep school is a likely scenario because Shaq is far from qualifying academically.
Just heard that the delay in Cleare news is because he's with family in the Bahamas. My guess is that's why there's a delay in news, and the same reason the JUCO story appeared out of nowhere (with no confirmation). No timetable, though.
Quote from: muhs03 on August 19, 2011, 10:46:57 AM
Pretty sure I read somewhere in the last few days that Cleare's dad has mentioned that juco or prep school is a likely scenario because Shaq is far from qualifying academically.
Thats just a rumor, he is in fine shape academically. Cleare is pretty much a lock, he hasn't even mentioned taking any other visits.
Where is he a lock at?
So why is there a discussion on him???
Because he still has us listed.
Quote from: BCHoopster on August 20, 2011, 11:23:55 AMSo why is there a discussion on him???
Because the only people who have called him a lock are Maryland fans (like the poster above). But if McGary verbals there, word is Cleare will look elsewhere, despite McGary supposedly trying to sell Cleare on UMD. From the sound of things, Cleare is still up in the air. Maryland is the favorite, but I don't think we're far behind.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 20, 2011, 03:51:25 PM
Because the only people who have called him a lock are Maryland fans (like the poster above). But if McGary verbals there, word is Cleare will look elsewhere, despite McGary supposedly trying to sell Cleare on UMD. From the sound of things, Cleare is still up in the air. Maryland is the favorite, but I don't think we're far behind.
How do you know really how we stand with Cleare and that goes for all of us and with all recruits.
Recruiting is a different animal and the more you follow it the more you know how little you really know and how fast things change. A year ago for instance, Marquette was in tight with a prospect and it was thought they may have been the leader within a few weeks from his decision. When he made the decision, Marquette wasn't even one of the 4 schools mentioned as his finalists and there are things going on behind the scenes with many kids that contribute to this school jockeying.
The safe thing is to sit back and see who Buzz will see on in-home visits a few weeks from now and who will come to Marquette for official visits and those two things may not even tell you who we will get.
Almost everything in that post is not true. More than just Maryland fans think we are the heavy favorite. Cleare is from Texas and has visited Maryland twice. We were his only visit during the summer and he said he wasn't looking to take anymore visits. Every interview with him is him talking about Maryland non stop. Furthermore we have hardly ever heard Marquette mentioned as the competition for him even early on. He was interviewed by a national writer on the 247 network at AAU nationals and he was talking about us like he was already committed. That whole McGary and Cleare theory is makes no sense considering McGary is a 4 and Cleare is a 5 combined with the fact that we have ZERO good bigs on our roster. Cleare will be committed before McGary decides anything anyway.
Not trying to be a dick but thinking that you are in good shape for Cleare or right behind us is nothing more than extreme wishful thinking.
Thanks for setting everyone straight!
ESPN - no mention of MU
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/82838/shaquille-cleare
Scout - no interest
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=4976574
Rivals - no mention of MU
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Shaquille-Cleare-114639
You would figure at least one of the services would have MU as a /mentioncontender for Cleare, but not so.
Lets see who shows up for Midnight Madness.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on August 20, 2011, 05:18:35 PM
Almost everything in that post is not true. More than just Maryland fans think we are the heavy favorite. Cleare is from Texas and has visited Maryland twice. We were his only visit during the summer and he said he wasn't looking to take anymore visits. Every interview with him is him talking about Maryland non stop. Furthermore we have hardly ever heard Marquette mentioned as the competition for him even early on. He was interviewed by a national writer on the 247 network at AAU nationals and he was talking about us like he was already committed. That whole McGary and Cleare theory is makes no sense considering McGary is a 4 and Cleare is a 5 combined with the fact that we have ZERO good bigs on our roster. Cleare will be committed before McGary decides anything anyway.
Not trying to be a dick but thinking that you are in good shape for Cleare or right behind us is nothing more than extreme wishful thinking.
Follow the Under Armour connections and you can follow the interest.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/college-hs/high-school/2011/05/under-armours-2011-best-of-the-best-preview/
Quote from: nyg on August 20, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
ESPN - no mention of MU
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/82838/shaquille-cleare
Scout - no interest
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=4976574
Rivals - no mention of MU
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Shaquille-Cleare-114639
You would figure at least one of the services would have MU as a /mentioncontender for Cleare, but not so.
Lets see who shows up for Midnight Madness.
Well, Cleare put us in his final 7. I take that as more of an indicator than anything else.
He doesn't have any official list or "final 7".
I am not saying he will go to MU, but until he commits he is not a lock for Maryland. In my opinion the longer he waits, the more Maryland is in trouble.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on August 20, 2011, 07:44:29 PMHe doesn't have any official list or "final 7".
Yet you know that he's a lock for Maryland? Evan Daniels was told otherwise three weeks ago, and I've seen nothing to the contrary since.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1089953.html
Under School Lists: "Shaquille Cleare mentioned Maryland, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Marquette, Kansas and Florida."
Ok so he "mentioned" 7 schools and you were among them, that does not say Cleare has cut his list to 7 schools. Still he hasn't visited anywhere outside of the Texas schools, Arizona and Maryland and doesn't have any plans on visiting anywhere else at the moment.
He gets back from the Bahamas in a few days. Id be surprised if you dont hear of a commitment or a planned official visit to Maryland by the end of August/first week of September.
I like to be positive brew, but it seems fairly obvious to me that he's not going to be here.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 20, 2011, 09:12:50 PM
I like to be positive brew, but it seems fairly obvious to me that he's not going to be here.
I'm with bilsu. Listen, I guarantee nothing either way, but if he was 100% on Maryland, why would he need another visit, and why did he go out of country rather than committing? If he does go there, I agree with dmjt that you'll hear something quickly. If it gets to mid-September and he hasn't said, there's a decent chance he's moved on.
All that said, he clearly hadn't made a choice 3 weeks ago. You don't have a list of 7 schools if you know exactly where you want to go.
Not to be polyanna again, but we have had a couple in recent history commit without visiting, haven't we? I wouldn't rule someone out because they hasn't visited yet.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on August 20, 2011, 08:52:17 PM
Ok so he "mentioned" 7 schools and you were among them, that does not say Cleare has cut his list to 7 schools. Still he hasn't visited anywhere outside of the Texas schools, Arizona and Maryland and doesn't have any plans on visiting anywhere else at the moment.
He gets back from the Bahamas in a few days. Id be surprised if you dont hear of a commitment or a planned official visit to Maryland by the end of August/first week of September.
You called the Faust to Maryland commit for awhile, so I'm not gonna doubt you here with Cleare. However, what is the motivation for coming to another schools message board to simply give them bad news?!!
Quote from: Ners on August 21, 2011, 11:05:43 AM
You called the Faust to Maryland commit for awhile, so I'm not gonna doubt you here with Cleare. However, what is the motivation for coming to another schools message board to simply give them bad news?!!
Good question! I was extremely bored, googled Shaquille Cleare, this popped up and I couldnt help myself. Sorry lol. Knowing recruiting Cleare will probably announce an official to Marquette in a week and I'll look like a moron. :shrug
Quote from: dmjt4160 on August 21, 2011, 11:31:22 AM
Good question! I was extremely bored, googled Shaquille Cleare, this popped up and I couldnt help myself. Sorry lol. Knowing recruiting Cleare will probably announce an official to Marquette in a week and I'll look like a moron. :shrug
Yeah - No worries - you post with a reasonable tone, etc...was just curious...as it does feel like a bit of a kick in the balls to hear bad news on the recruiting front (which it seems you deliver here).
Any word from out there how Faust is adapting, playing in summer pick-up games with team? I assume you are pleased with the Turgeon hiring?
Quote from: bilsu on August 20, 2011, 07:58:41 PM
I am not saying he will go to MU, but until he commits he is not a lock for Maryland. In my opinion the longer he waits, the more Maryland is in trouble.
This sounds exactly like the company line last summer about Nick Faust. How'd that end?
Quote from: Ners on August 21, 2011, 12:27:35 PM
Yeah - No worries - you post with a reasonable tone, etc...was just curious...as it does feel like a bit of a kick in the balls to hear bad news on the recruiting front (which it seems you deliver here).
Any word from out there how Faust is adapting, playing in summer pick-up games with team? I assume you are pleased with the Turgeon hiring?
Yea pleased with Turgeon and ecstatic with the assistants he brought on. This year is going to be horrendous so Faust will get tons of pt and a chance to score plenty. We only have 8 scholarship players left and only 3 players above 6'6". One is coming off of leg surgery/rehab and has never played in college, one was a marginal at best 3th big in the rotation for us last year as a sophomore and one is a 6'10" 210 pound JUCO transfer Euro stringbean who can block shots but hasnt shown an ability to do anything else. So basically the guards will be chucking plenty of shots. Haven't heard much on the team though this summer, aside from some pickup games and stuff.
What are you guys looking at for the rest of 2012? One big? Seems like you're more than well stocked at guard/wing with the last two classes. Ill do my best not to bring any bad news anymore but I dont think well be after any of the same kids other than Cleare for 2012 and 2013.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on August 21, 2011, 01:02:05 PM
Yea pleased with Turgeon and ecstatic with the assistants he brought on. This year is going to be horrendous so Faust will get tons of pt and a chance to score plenty. We only have 8 scholarship players left and only 3 players above 6'6". One is coming off of leg surgery/rehab and has never played in college, one was a marginal at best 3th big in the rotation for us last year as a sophomore and one is a 6'10" 210 pound JUCO transfer Euro stringbean who can block shots but hasnt shown an ability to do anything else. So basically the guards will be chucking plenty of shots. Haven't heard much on the team though this summer, aside from some pickup games and stuff.
What are you guys looking at for the rest of 2012? One big? Seems like you're more than well stocked at guard/wing with the last two classes. Ill do my best not to bring any bad news anymore but I dont think well be after any of the same kids other than Cleare for 2012 and 2013.
It's all good as far as the news you deliver - even if it does feel like a kick in the balls at time - hearing an "outsiders" perspective does give insight to our board - even if it is stuff we don't want to hear.
Think Turgeon was a great hire for MD. As for MU - we went really hard after Gabe York a PG/SG combo, and felt we were gonna land him before he decided on Arizona - and also are going hard on Kris Dunn another highly regarded PG - tho due to our pursuit of York and feeling he was gonna commit - we may have lost out on Dunn.
If we can't land Dunn (even though well stocked at guard), we have offers out to some 4's and 5's - most of whom are 2.5-3.5 star players. Think ideally the staff would want a 4 or 5 if it can't land Dunn.
Quote from: Ners on August 21, 2011, 01:16:25 PMIf we can't land Dunn (even though well stocked at guard), we have offers out to some 4's and 5's - most of whom are 2.5-3.5 star players. Think ideally the staff would want a 4 or 5 if it can't land Dunn.
While I think Auguste or Mbargorba would be solid gets, I wouldn't be surprised to see us go hard for Ray Lee. He's moving up into some top-100 lists and sounds like a more accomplished Reggie Smith. Buzz clearly places a lot of value on the point, and after having success with minimal size, I wouldn't be surprised to see him risk waiting for a big until 2013 with the mindset that Gardner can start for a year and his replacement will be a sophomore when he has to start.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 21, 2011, 01:20:53 PM
While I think Auguste or Mbargorba would be solid gets, I wouldn't be surprised to see us go hard for Ray Lee. He's moving up into some top-100 lists and sounds like a more accomplished Reggie Smith. Buzz clearly places a lot of value on the point, and after having success with minimal size, I wouldn't be surprised to see him risk waiting for a big until 2013 with the mindset that Gardner can start for a year and his replacement will be a sophomore when he has to start.
I agree brew. If I were a betting man, I think we miss on Cleare and Dunn, land Lee, then go after bigs in the late period. Would love those two guys, but my less than skilled attempt at reading the tea leaves has me feeling like we're finishing second for both of those guys.
I think we finish this class with a PG and big...both best available.
Quote from: Tmreddevil on August 21, 2011, 01:43:28 PMI agree brew. If I were a betting man, I think we miss on Cleare and Dunn, land Lee, then go after bigs in the late period. Would love those two guys, but my less than skilled attempt at reading the tea leaves has me feeling like we're finishing second for both of those guys.
I think we finish this class with a PG and big...both best available.
I'm not sure we still get two more. If it's Dunn and Cleare, I think so, otherwise, I don't think we oversign. We have 4 schollies available, and already have filled 3 with TJ Taylor, Steve Taylor, and Ferguson. I think we get one out of the remaining targets, and only go for a fifth if someone transfers mid-season.
I don't think Ferguson is going to suit up for MU. Just a hunch.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 24, 2011, 10:07:38 AM
I don't think Ferguson is going to suit up for MU. Just a hunch.
It's true we haven't heard anything in awhile, I'm still hoping for him to come in. Not the tallest player, but has good length to be a nice 2-3 option. Not sure how his summer went, seems the early commits often don't get as much summer ink because fewer people are focusing on where they'll end up.
hunch
n hunch [hantʃ]
an idea or belief based on one's feelings or suspicions rather than on clear evidence.
I think I'll assume he will be here until we have any evidence to suggest otherwise.
Or I could just say I have a hunch that your hunch is wrong.
Quote from: MuMark on August 24, 2011, 11:10:38 AM
hunch
n hunch [hantʃ]
an idea or belief based on one's feelings or suspicions rather than on clear evidence.
I think I'll assume he will be here until we have any evidence to suggest otherwise.
Or I could just say I have a hunch that your hunch is wrong.
+1 no hunches.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uQh4zamXj5A/Ssz6EvfZ2WI/AAAAAAAAC0c/bQLxSXGn0GM/s400/dog_shitting.jpg)
I have no evidence, I just see how many people we are on right now and if we are to oversign I see him being the odd man out. We all know Buzz is capable of it we have seen it the last 2 years! I rather have this happen than lose a player on our current roster. If we are to get Mbargorba and Lee I see Ferguson being the odd man out.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 24, 2011, 10:07:38 AM
I don't think Ferguson is going to suit up for MU. Just a hunch.
I'd be very surprised if Ferguson DOESN't suit up for MU. He's a Buzz player all the way. No way the staff would oversign with Lee being chosen over Ferguson. Not a chance.
Who plays point guard after Cadougan leaves? I would like to have another option besides D-Will. I want Ferguson to play but if we oversign and we get two positions filled that we need more than a 2 guard I could see it happening. I think Ferguson looks great, and I want to see him suit up. I also wanted to see Newbill suit up, but talent evaluations can sometimes lead to the wrong players being chosen over others.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 24, 2011, 12:27:32 PM
I have no evidence, I just see how many people we are on right now and if we are to oversign I see him being the odd man out. We all know Buzz is capable of it we have seen it the last 2 years! I rather have this happen than lose a player on our current roster. If we are to get Mbargorba and Lee I see Ferguson being the odd man out.
First off, I find the initial speculation a crap post. Not necessary in the least.
Secondly, as to your defense, where is it that Buzz WILL oversign? Because he is in on a lot of players? Ah, newsflash, following recruiting he is ALWAYS in on a lot of players.
Sorry, but I really feel the type of discussion you created is pure BS and doesn't belong here.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 24, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
Who plays point guard after Cadougan leaves? I would like to have another option besides D-Will. I want Ferguson to play but if we oversign and we get two positions filled that we need more than a 2 guard I could see it happening. I think Ferguson looks great, and I want to see him suit up. I also wanted to see Newbill suit up, but talent evaluations can sometimes lead to the wrong players being chosen over others.
Right now, I'd guess TJ Taylor and Derrick Wilson get first crack, though Ray Lee would also be in the mix if he came here. We've had some contact with Nate Britt, a top-20 2013 PG, and will also likely try to bring in Monte Morris, Stephen Clark, or Jaylon Tate, all 4-star prospects that could compete for time as 2013 freshmen. If that fails, Buzz is also working on Emanuel Mudiay and Tyus Jones, both top-10 guys for 2014.
Plenty of options right now, but who knows where those guys end up? They could pass on us like Dunn did. I think the biggest factor right now is constant contact and on-court success. Back up last year's Sweet 16 with an Elite 8, especially with a good year from Cadougan, and guys will see PT opening up at a school where they can succeed. Losing Dunn sucks, but like we saw with Steve Taylor, winning goes a long way when it comes to recruiting. Keep winning and the kids will come.
Junior will be here for 2 more years so we can add another point guard in 2013 and still be covered.
A transfer could also happen in the offseason(some kids do tend to jump if they don't see playing time) so I wouldn't worry about a point guard in this class.
If we can get a good one fine....if not then we sign one in 13.
If Buzz oversigns my guess it will be in the spring and because he has evidence that someone might be transferring.
Quote from: MUMac on August 24, 2011, 02:26:32 PM
First off, I find the initial speculation a crap post. Not necessary in the least.
Secondly, as to your defense, where is it that Buzz WILL oversign? Because he is in on a lot of players? Ah, newsflash, following recruiting he is ALWAYS in on a lot of players.
Sorry, but I really feel the type of discussion you created is pure BS and doesn't belong here.
I stated an opinion...is that not what message boards are for? I said "if" we are to oversign....
Quote from: jhags15 on August 24, 2011, 10:07:38 AM
I don't think Ferguson is going to suit up for MU. Just a hunch.
JHags - The above statement which set the whole debate off did not include a caveat on "if we oversign."
I do agree that message boards are lands of opinion and speculation, but tend to agree with MuMac that posting on a hunch, that one of our verbals isn't going to suit up for MU - and then to even suggest you feel that way due to MU oversigning, and as a result needing to "release" one player - just doesn't do a lot of good...
Nonetheless, I generally appreciate your posts and content...but feel this one was not one of your best!
Quote from: jhags15 on August 24, 2011, 03:47:53 PM
I stated an opinion...is that not what message boards are for? I said "if" we are to oversign....
This was your entire first post: "I don't think Ferguson is going to suit up for MU. Just a hunch."
Frankly, what purpose did that serve? I think it was a total BS comment and has no business being on this message board. The kid has committed and MU accepted it. Why post such crap at this time? If MU oversigns, fine, then discuss. MU has not oversigned and is actually one under the number (including the accepted commitments).
We really look good in the eyes of recruits when such unfounded speculation occurs. Yeah, I bet Ferguson and his family feel real thrilled about MU when he reads this garbage.
That was absurd and crap, as I stated.
Agree!
Seems like a bit of an overreaction
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on August 24, 2011, 09:09:48 PM
Seems like a bit of an overreaction
Thats how Mac rolls. He's like the old lady who always judges children on their music or dress; what he doesn't understand frightens him.
What frightens you BR? Are you a old woman?
Quote from: muzzwilliams on August 26, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
What frightens you BR?
Clowns, heights, and Michael Jackson's father
Quote from: BRMU23 on August 26, 2011, 01:32:20 PM
Thats how Mac rolls. He's like the old lady who always judges children on their music or dress; what he doesn't understand frightens him.
Wow, I have my own personal stalker.
Personal attacks now? Calling me an old lady. Ouch, that really hurts. A tad childish, don't you think?