I thought I remembered that the second summer session started this week...Anyone know if Mayo is attending/took care of all of his clearinghouse issues?
There is nothing he can personally do to take care of clearinghouse issues. Just has to wait til they get around to it. And no, at this point they have not cleared him.
Why?
It seems like we usually have to wait until around Madness for the clearinghouse to get around to clearing our guys.
The NCAA clearinghouse is busy now clearing Fall sports athletes. Mayo was a late signee, so he needs to "wait his turn". Unfortunate, but thats life. Maybe, the NCAA should staff at a higher level, but............
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 07, 2011, 09:21:05 AM
It seems like we usually have to wait until around Madness for the clearinghouse to get around to clearing our guys.
Well, since they are winter sport athletes, that's basically the only deadline the NCAA cares about.
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 07, 2011, 09:22:07 AM
The NCAA clearinghouse is busy now clearing Fall sports athletes. Mayo was a late signee, so he needs to "wait his turn". Unfortunate, but thats life. Maybe, the NCAA should staff at a higher level, but............
They can't afford it.
I assume ths doesn't require teal.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 07, 2011, 09:32:05 AM
They can't afford it.
I assume ths doesn't require teal.
Remember, a good chunk of the revenues goes right back to the schools and to run the championships at all three division levels.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3/2010-11+Condensed+Budget.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3
Another idea might be to recruit some kids that don't have to go through the Clearinghouse every year....that is also not in teal.
Chico, this might be one of the issues, as a private school it is obvious you can let questionable kids into the program.
Any kid that has been at 3 or 4 high schools, I would bet had some scholastic issues. I hope it works out for Mayo.
Hold the mayo.
Didn't we just bring in a traditional transfer?
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 10:41:34 AM
Chico, this might be one of the issues, as a private school it is obvious you can let questionable kids into the program.
Any kid that has been at 3 or 4 high schools, I would bet had some scholastic issues. I hope it works out for Mayo.
What does this even mean???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 07, 2011, 10:58:22 AM
What does this even mean???
It means to me that Buzz is recruiting another questionable kid.
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
It means to me that Buzz is recruiting another questionable kid.
What other "questionable" kids has Buzz recruited?
Quote from: mu03eng on July 07, 2011, 11:14:48 AM
What other "questionable" kids has Buzz recruited?
Maymon, Newbill, Roseboro, the four accused of sexual harassment, the one charged with disorderly conduct, and the one accused of rape.
That being said, I don't have a problem with Buzz's recruiting, he has had far more successes than failures.
When a player signs late in April, it takes some time to get his transcripts together, and it took a little longer to Todd beacuse he went to 2 high schools. One in WV and one in Memphis (where his brother was playing pro ball) He then went to Prep school for a year. All of this slows down the procees slighlty and all the late signees fall behind all the football player's that sign in Feb since they are a fall sport and practice starts in early april. They do not speed up the process so Todd can play in the summer league. They also look harder at player's that goto more then 1 high school. I have heard nothing that leads me to believe that Todd will not be fully ready to go in the fall. Also for those of you casting stones at him, the last guy we had to wait on (and went to the same school as Todd ND prep) was Lazar. So if you are saying that we should not have recruited Lazar because he was going to sign late and was going to take some time to clear you are and idiot.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on July 07, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
When a player signs late in April, it takes some time to get his transcripts together, and it took a little longer to Todd beacuse he went to 2 high schools. One in WV and one in Memphis (where his brother was playing pro ball) He then went to Prep school for a year. All of this slows down the procees slighlty and all the late signees fall behind all the football player's that sign in Feb since they are a fall sport and practice starts in early april. They do not speed up the process so Todd can play in the summer league. They also look harder at player's that goto more then 1 high school. I have heard nothing that leads me to believe that Todd will not be fully ready to go in the fall. Also for those of you casting stones at him, the last guy we had to wait on (and went to the same school as Todd ND prep) was Lazar. So if you are saying that we should not have recruited Lazar because he was going to sign late and was going to take some time to clear you are and idiot.
+1
don't forget all the Juco players we take. Butler has been a real stain on MU from a PR and basketball standpoint. Again some people are just Idiots.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on July 07, 2011, 11:23:56 AMWhen a player signs late in April, it takes some time to get his transcripts together, and it took a little longer to Todd beacuse he went to 2 high schools. One in WV and one in Memphis (where his brother was playing pro ball) He then went to Prep school for a year. All of this slows down the procees slighlty and all the late signees fall behind all the football player's that sign in Feb since they are a fall sport and practice starts in early april. They do not speed up the process so Todd can play in the summer league. They also look harder at player's that goto more then 1 high school. I have heard nothing that leads me to believe that Todd will not be fully ready to go in the fall. Also for those of you casting stones at him, the last guy we had to wait on (and went to the same school as Todd ND prep) was Lazar. So if you are saying that we should not have recruited Lazar because he was going to sign late and was going to take some time to clear you are and idiot.
The signing date is immaterial. One can be approved by the Clearing House without signing with a school. It is a matter of submitting the transcripts, ACT/SAT Score and completing the eligibility questionnaire.
I agree with the remainder of your post, though. The delay is more likely tied to the fact he has had 2 high schools (in different states) and one prep school. This becomes more difficult to review than if only one transcript were provided. The NCAA needs to make sure the core class requirement and GPA has been met, and will need to allign all 3 transcripts.
Add to that, the prep factor that the NCAA has more closely scuitininzed over the past several years.
Those that have Clearing House reviews tend to be the ones that have more than one transcript, a prep school &/or have retaken courses due to a failing grade. To be in a Clearing House review does not automatically mean the athlete is a bad student or "questionable".
BTW, Junior Cadougan wasn't cleared by the clearinghouse until mid-August before his freshman year. He had the HS in Canada and the one in Houston to deal with. This isn't a rare occurance folks.
I transferred schools growing up, got an underage drinking ticket, didn't get the best of grades or test scores, I guess I am questionable. Who knew!
Quote from: reinko on July 07, 2011, 12:16:38 PM
I transferred schools growing up, got an underage drinking ticket, didn't get the best of grades or test scores, I guess I am questionable. Who knew!
<raises hand>
Quote from: kmwtrucks on July 07, 2011, 11:28:42 AM
don't forget all the Juco players we take. Butler has been a real stain on MU from a PR and basketball standpoint. Again some people are just Idiots.
Butler will not graduate, but to me that does not matter. You go to college to get a job, he got a great one. do you think Fulce or Buycks will
graduate?
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
Butler will not graduate, but to me that does not matter. You go to college to get a job, he got a great one. do you think Fulce or Buycks will
graduate?
Are we sure Butler won't graduate? I remember somewhere back Rosiak saying that Butler had enough credits to graduate simply by taking a single spanish class in the spring semester. And based on his tweets Butler was in that class.
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
Butler will not graduate
Lambert said this is just the beginning for Butler.
''He is a sweet kid, and he's not a dumb kid,'' she said, drying her eyes yet again. ''He'll graduate with a degree in communications on July 9. And we go over all of his interviews to make sure he sounds literate and right. I always tell him, 'Do NOT sound like a thug!' ''
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/6212524-417/nbas-looming-lockout-could-stall-jimmy-butlers-hollywood-ending.html
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
It means to me that Buzz is recruiting another questionable kid.
Marquette was dead to me when they sold their souls and brought in that TOTALLY unqualified kid back in 2000. I mean, a prop 48 who didn't even go to a prep school or juco to become qualified? Overnight I became the subject of ridicule at the office, at my parrish and in my own home. My degree became essentially worthless. I think I read somewhere that he turned out to be a pretty good player and led Marquette to some success on the court, which I'm sure sat just fine with those "head in the sand" MU fans. But to the discerning MU grads with a modicum of ethics (such as myself) the basketball success was meaningless as it came at the expense of our ethical and academic principles.
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
Butler will not graduate, but to me that does not matter. You go to college to get a job, he got a great one. do you think Fulce or Buycks will
graduate?
Who cares? They had the opportunity...if they chose not to take it, that's their fault.
Quote from: reinko on July 07, 2011, 12:16:38 PM
I transferred schools growing up, got an underage drinking ticket, didn't get the best of grades or test scores, I guess I am questionable. Who knew!
Please return any and all paraphanalia (beanies, pennants, caps, trashcans, etc.) showing you to have any affiliation with Marquette U to the Spirit Shop immediately.
I had very poor grades my 1st 2 years in High school and switched schools and did much better. I also got a arrested in Myrtle beach before the start of college for either Public intox or public urination. Can't exactly remember. On A side note, I passed the CPA my first time after graduating from MU in accounting. I'm glad that MU took a chance on me and my questionable back ground.
the summer before my first year i shot a man in reno, just to watch him die. I went on to get a degree, kudos to Marquette for taking a chance.
You mean like Derrick Wilson and Juan Anderson? ::)
As another poster said Lazar went through the same process as did Junior....should we have passed on them because they switched schools?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 07, 2011, 10:32:20 AM
Remember, a good chunk of the revenues goes right back to the schools and to run the championships at all three division levels.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3/2010-11+Condensed+Budget.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3
Another idea might be to recruit some kids that don't have to go through the Clearinghouse every year....that is also not in teal.
For a little clarification on some things.
Todd Mayo attended South Pointe (OH) High School as a freshman and sophomore and then the family moved to the Memphis area to be near his brother. He attended Houston High School as a junior and when the family moved to a different location in Memphis, he attended Germantown High School as a senior, so he was at 3 high schools before going to Notre Dame Prep, so there's a lot to sift through.
Junior Cadougan, to my knowledge, never attended high school in Toronto and after his younger brother was shot, he ended up at a prep school in the Atlanta area as a freshman before going to Christian Life Academy in the Houston suburbs.
My point is that every year we go through with this, and it's not just Buzz, but with the previous guy as well. Honestly, I cannot remember the last year when we were NOT waiting on a kid to get through the Clearinghouse. Some will argue it's a cost of doing business....maybe that's true. I'm sure someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that go through the same thing. I'm also sure that someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that almost never have to go through this with the Clearinghouse, let alone nearly every year.
If we want to avoid having to go through this each year or are worried the NCAA doesn't have enough staff (which they don't), then we should stop recruiting kids that need to be cleared. Otherwise, it is what it is if this is the path we continue to take.
Quote from: groove on July 07, 2011, 01:27:35 PM
i shot a man in reno, just to watch him die
Top 10 all time line in a popular song
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 07, 2011, 01:45:30 PM
My point is that every year we go through with this, and it's not just Buzz, but with the previous guy as well. Honestly, I cannot remember the last year when we were NOT waiting on a kid to get through the Clearinghouse. Some will argue it's a cost of doing business....maybe that's true. I'm sure someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that go through the same thing. I'm also sure that someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that almost never have to go through this with the Clearinghouse, let alone nearly every year.
If we want to avoid having to go through this each year or are worried the NCAA doesn't have enough staff (which they don't), then we should stop recruiting kids that need to be cleared. Otherwise, it is what it is if this is the path we continue to take.
It doesn't bother me. Not sure why it bothers you. (Actually, I am sure why....but I just find it funny.)
Every school signs kids that are not cleared yet, and every school has delays getting kids through the clearing house that signs late. You only hear about ones at your school or ones that never get cleared. The reason you did not hear about it before Crean is the rules were different, You could be on scholarship and not be eligible to play. Now if you are not eligible to play you cannot be awarded a spot.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 07, 2011, 01:45:30 PM
My point is that every year we go through with this, and it's not just Buzz, but with the previous guy as well. Honestly, I cannot remember the last year when we were NOT waiting on a kid to get through the Clearinghouse. Some will argue it's a cost of doing business....maybe that's true. I'm sure someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that go through the same thing. I'm also sure that someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that almost never have to go through this with the Clearinghouse, let alone nearly every year.
If we want to avoid having to go through this each year or are worried the NCAA doesn't have enough staff (which they don't), then we should stop recruiting kids that need to be cleared. Otherwise, it is what it is if this is the path we continue to take.
Even the really bad Big East teams (DePaul, USF) have these issues. Our choices are to de-emphasize basketball (DII or III?) or change our name to UNC@Milwaukee.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 07, 2011, 02:10:33 PM
Top 10 all time line in a popular song
I think the song is stupid, but that post did make me burst out laughing at work.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 07, 2011, 02:12:18 PM
It doesn't bother me. Not sure why it bothers you. (Actually, I am sure why....but I just find it funny.)
I didn't realize I said it bothered me. In fact I'm entirely sure I didn't say it bothered me. So I'd love to know WHY you think something bothers me that doesn't...share the humor. ;D
I was pointing out that people shouldn't get upset with the Clearing House taking their own sweet time, as was implied. They'll get to it when they get to it. Easy solution, don't sign kids that have this type of background. Otherwise, it is what it is and that's the deal.
I sure hope this turns into a racial thread soon. I love me my traditional players.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 07, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
Even the really bad Big East teams (DePaul, USF) have these issues. Our choices are to de-emphasize basketball (DII or III?) or change our name to UNC@Milwaukee.
Covered already....we can name all kinds of teams that do it and all kinds of teams that don't....good, bad, ugly.
What is the difference? The season starts in November.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on July 07, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
Every school signs kids that are not cleared yet, and every school has delays getting kids through the clearing house that signs late. You only hear about ones at your school or ones that never get cleared. The reason you did not hear about it before Crean is the rules were different, You could be on scholarship and not be eligible to play. Now if you are not eligible to play you cannot be awarded a spot.
Technically true, all kids must be cleared by the clearing house. Of course we all know that there are kids that will be cleared in a nanosecond and kids that will take several months.
Maybe the better way to state is, if people here are concerned about having to wait months for kids to clear then they should cheer for a team that recruits nanosecond kids like Wisconsin, Duke, etc (yes, even they have the non-nanosecond kids every so often). Otherwise, there is no evidence with Crean, Buzz or many other coaches that our recruiting will be changing. So sit back, let the clearing house do their thing and we shouldn't be surprised by the time it takes.
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
It means to me that Buzz is recruiting another questionable kid.
USC had NCAA problems, due to his brother, OJ, and Tim Floyd. I'd be surprised if the last name, and history wouldnt merit more than nanosecond clearinghouse review.
I thought Jimmy Butler is graduating on July 9th. Also, it shouldn't matter where you came from, only where you're going.
Quote from: Eford4President2012 on July 07, 2011, 11:21:11 AM
Maymon, Newbill, Roseboro, the four accused of sexual harassment, the one charged with disorderly conduct, and the one accused of rape.
That being said, I don't have a problem with Buzz's recruiting, he has had far more successes than failures.
Better be careful there about mixing your metaphors. Mayo is being delayed by the NCAA Clearinghouse. The same process that held up Lazar and Junior C (would you have prefered we didn't recruit our 2nd all time leading scorer). It doesn't make much sense to be to lump together every kid we've had problems and infere that kids that have Clearinghouse problems are going to fall into that group.
They should have registered with the Publisher's Clearinghouse instead
Maybe someone would show up with ballooms and a check
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 07, 2011, 10:32:20 AM
Remember, a good chunk of the revenues goes right back to the schools and to run the championships at all three division levels.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3/2010-11+Condensed+Budget.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3
Another idea might be to recruit some kids that don't have to go through the Clearinghouse every year....that is also not in teal.
Yeah, a good chunk of revenue if you don't include the Emmert's 2+ million dollar salary
Quote from: NotAnAlum on July 07, 2011, 04:47:39 PM
Better be careful there about mixing your metaphors. Mayo is being delayed by the NCAA Clearinghouse. The same process that held up Lazar and Junior C (would you have prefered we didn't recruit our 2nd all time leading scorer). It doesn't make much sense to be to lump together every kid we've had problems and infere that kids that have Clearinghouse problems are going to fall into that group.
I wasn't the one that said Mayo was questionable; I am a big fan of Mayo and followed his recruitement closely. I was even cheering for his brother when Memphis made a playoff run this summer. I am excited to see him in an MU uniform and was hoping I could see him play in the Pro Am.
I believe that Trevor Mbakwe also ran into some clearing house issues.
Quote from: mu77vegas on July 07, 2011, 10:06:21 PM
What song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Ts4M3irWM
Quote from: reinko on July 07, 2011, 12:16:38 PM
I transferred schools growing up, got an underage drinking ticket, didn't get the best of grades or test scores, I guess I am questionable. Who knew!
Well, I guess we all do now. I, on the other hand, only went to one high school (graduated in four years, thank you!), and got my paperwork in on time. No questions whatsoever. By the time I graduated from MU, however, I was very questionable.
Let me suggest a book that many of you will enjoy that will help clarify the clearinghouse issue. It's called Black Men Can't Shoot, a sociological study of the Philadelphia basketball scene. while it doesn't directly speak to clearing house, it does talk about how kids work to become known, so that they can receive scholarships to college, and to develp a reputation, they may have to switch high schools to play against better competition. This is a very common thing in most major cities--not saying that it is a good thing--but this is just the way it is today. Us neandrathals might not like it becaue that is not the way it used to be, but times do change, and Universities must adapt. Eventually, the NCAA will catch up as well.
Quote from: 6746jonesr on July 14, 2011, 01:28:01 PM
Let me suggest a book that many of you will enjoy that will help clarify the clearinghouse issue. It's called Black Men Can't Shoot, a sociological study of the Philadelphia basketball scene. while it doesn't directly speak to clearing house, it does talk about how kids work to become known, so that they can receive scholarships to college, and to develp a reputation, they may have to switch high schools to play against better competition. This is a very common thing in most major cities--not saying that it is a good thing--but this is just the way it is today. Us neandrathals might not like it becaue that is not the way it used to be, but times do change, and Universities must adapt. Eventually, the NCAA will catch up as well.
With school choice, charter schools, voucher schools, etc. the entire nation is pushing for more choice in education...kids no longer have to go to neighborhood schools, and the NCAA and society need to understand the pro's and con's of kids switching schools when families think there's something better available at little to no cost.
Came to Senior Day when the 3 Amigos and Dwight were finishing. It was the first time I was aware of Butler - his 2 ND half was great. I don't know who the poster was who (after that game) christened him Jimmy F. butler, but he was dead on. He just went on from there. I hope he gets that degree and does well with the Bulls.
Thug Life = Buzz Life! Character Revealed!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on July 14, 2011, 08:18:14 PM
Came to Senior Day when the 3 Amigos and Dwight were finishing. It was the first time I was aware of Butler - his 2 ND half was great. I don't know who the poster was who (after that game) christened him Jimmy F. butler, but he was dead on. He just went on from there. I hope he gets that degree and does well with the Bulls.
8-)