Singleton no longer at MU
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/124084679.html
WTF? Didn't see this coming, why would he leave?
Redshirt, sit a whole year, now do it again? Maybe he will go to a DIV III school or something. And some thought he may actually get PT this year. Strange.
Just a WAG, but perhaps he was expecting to earn a scholarship this year, and just found out that wouldn't be happening.
No info, just one theory.
Coaches decided Vander needed to begin making the transition to the PG position?
Withdrawn
Quote from: Ari Gold on June 17, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
"He underwent shoulder surgery following the season, and might well have redshirted at MU this season had he returned."
Maybe he didnt want to wait
Wasn't that Williams?
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 17, 2011, 02:07:44 PM
WTF? Didn't see this coming, why would he leave?
Let's see, he comes to MU in hopes of earning a scholarship, practices hard for a year, sees the team has two open spots and obviously wasn't considered for either. Question is, why wouldn't he leave....don't care if his family has money,
Are we at/above/below the transfer/departure rate of top 35 BB programs?...I hope to learn if our multiple off season transfers in/out is just typical, or worthy of extraordinary note/concern.
I wish Dave the best of luck. That should be the last spot turned over this off-season, finally :)
Quote from: nyg on June 17, 2011, 02:19:59 PM
Wasn't that Williams?
I think he was referring to Williams.
Williams, coincidentally, has landed at Sam Houston State in Huntsville, Tex. A native of Houston, Williams averaged 2.2 and 1.6 rebounds in 24 games for MU last season.
He underwent shoulder surgery following the season, and might well have redshirted at MU this season had he returned.
No disrespect meant to him, but Singleton was just a walk-on. I don't look at his departure and fret about the implications of having another player transfer out. And I don't think he actually even counts as a transfer.
I would bet anything this has something to do with those horrific sexual assault cases...
Quote from: mu27 on June 17, 2011, 04:04:37 PM
I would bet anything this has something to do with those horrific sexual assault cases...
Thanks for your contribution. And I'll take that bet.
I was actually expecting this. It just seemed so strange that a guy who transferred because he wanted to be a starter, would walk-on and get zero minutes at MU. I think what happened is that he wasn't getting offers that he liked, so he came to Lundy for help. I think they agreed upon him walking on for a year and helping the team in practice. Singleton would have a year to improve against very good players (with great instruction) and then the MU staff would help him out getting offers this year.
Quote from: mu27 on June 17, 2011, 04:04:37 PM
I would bet anything this has something to do with those horrific sexual assault cases...
I chuckled at "horrific." Nothing good comes from the first posts of trolls.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 17, 2011, 02:11:33 PM
Just a WAG, but perhaps he was expecting to earn a scholarship this year, and just found out that wouldn't be happening.
No info, just one theory.
Sounds like the most logical theory. It was a big jump, and the question was if he could put enough defensive pressure to get some minutes on defense. Perhaps if the new class was a couple of bigs he saw potential minutes, but with our freshmen coming in he probably just thought the opportunity closed.
Quote from: mu27 on June 17, 2011, 04:04:37 PM
I would bet anything this has something to do with those horrific sexual assault cases...
Bingo.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on June 17, 2011, 03:56:02 PM
I think he was referring to Williams.
Williams, coincidentally, has landed at Sam Houston State in Huntsville, Tex. A native of Houston, Williams averaged 2.2 and 1.6 rebounds in 24 games for MU last season.
He underwent shoulder surgery following the season, and might well have redshirted at MU this season had he returned.
I think you're right...but I don't think there's anything coincidental about Williams going to Sam Houston State. After reading that sentence, my only thought was that Rosiak should re-read his article prior to that and take a closer look at the definition of a coincidence. It's like Alanis Morrisette saying something is ironic.
Quote from: mu27 on June 17, 2011, 04:04:37 PM
I would bet anything this has something to do with those horrific sexual assault cases...
I heard that a while ago that he was not coming back, this just confirms that he was
part of the situation.
Quote from: mupanther on June 17, 2011, 05:12:03 PM
Bingo.
Double bingo, and I think you sank my battleship.
Read between the lines, folks. Rosiak would have explained the reason, had it been a good one. Instead, it's the "He is no longer part of the team" schlock .. there was no Singleton, jedi mind trick.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 17, 2011, 04:42:22 PM
I chuckled at "horrific." Nothing good comes from the first posts of trolls.
i was simply stating a possibility which had yet to be said. my opinion is that Singleton knew he could not play his first year at MU because he transferred from a D1 school. Why would he waste a year at MU knowing he couldn't play, only to leave at the end of the year.
Quote from: mu27 on June 17, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
i was simply stating a possibility which had yet to be said. my opinion is that Singleton knew he could not play his first year at MU because he transferred from a D1 school. Why would he waste a year at MU knowing he couldn't play, only to leave at the end of the year.
He probably came to MU to do something horrific.
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This is not much of a surprise. I thought it would have occurred sooner.
Quote from: mu27 on June 17, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
i was simply stating a possibility which had yet to be said. my opinion is that Singleton knew he could not play his first year at MU because he transferred from a D1 school. Why would he waste a year at MU knowing he couldn't play, only to leave at the end of the year.
This. If there weren't more to the story, no way the kid comes to MU for 1 year to sit out, only to leave 1 year later unless something went a little wrong. Only other plausible explanation would be that he thought he'd earn a scholarship, and wasn't granted one...but there have been whispers as to Singleton's involvement in the "incident."
Given the outcome of no prosecutions, arent all the kids entitled to not be named here, even by inference and rumor?
Quote from: houwarrior on June 17, 2011, 09:24:37 PM
Given the outcome of no prosecutions, arent all the kids entitled to not be named here, even by inference and rumor?
Apparently not.
You'd think the mods would be on top of that but they must be preoccupied locking Chicos vs. Lenny threads.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 17, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Apparently not.
You'd think the mods would be on top of that but they must be preoccupied locking Chicos vs. Lenny threads.
You could help out and use the 'Report to Moderator' feature.
Love how we skip "innocent until proven guilty" and skip right
to "guilty without being convicted, charged, or even arrested.
The loss of a walk-on is no big thing regarless of why. Dudes, he was a walk-on. Some of you cats acted like Singleton was the the next Deron Williams. Hey adios and the horse he rode in on.
His biggest impact was how he mysteriously planted the seed in the heads of the loonies that he was a legitimate option on the court.
Not sure I've ever seen a walk-on receive the kind of mythical status Singleton got with a certain segment. Well, until Jake Thomas.
To bad it didn't work out. Wonder if he still wishes he was at High Point on scholarship and getting playing time. I can see the disappointment if he thought he was scholarship material this year and not getting it with two scholarships still being available. A scholarship in the hand is better than two in the bush any day. Oh well, sometimes shooting for the stars isn't what it is all cracked up to be.
Hopefully Buzz has learned that for his program to get better, you don't scholarship non- Big East calliber players.
Golden Avalanche and 4everwarriors have it right. Singleton averaged 5.5 points a game and shot 17% from 3 at low D-1 High Point. If he'd been in MU's rotation we were in big trouble.
Good luck in your future endeavors David. Hope you appreciated your time at MU.
Quote from: Boone on June 18, 2011, 09:29:02 AM
Golden Avalanche and 4everwarriors have it right. Singleton averaged 5.5 points a game and shot 17% from 3 at low D-1 High Point. If he'd been in MU's rotation we were in big trouble.
I think, if playing time was the issue, it is a good indication that he felt Mayo and Wilson were better than him. Singleton was never going to be a star, but he had experience and good size for a guard.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 18, 2011, 08:21:13 AM
Love how we skip "innocent until proven guilty" and skip right
to "guilty without being convicted, charged, or even arrested.
Where did you see this in the thread? I never saw anyone claim anyone was "guilty" of anything in this thread. One person speculated that it might have had something to do with the situation (use of the term "horrific" was a poor choice). A few concurred. No one ever said anyone was "guilty" though.
Although, some players were found "guilty" of Sexual Harrassment by the University and were punished. They were also disciplined by the University and BB Program.
South Dakota appears to be a good fit for him. He will likely get playing time there and can take Jake Thomas scholarship. I guess Singleton ended up being "the player to be named later" in the trade for Thomas. ;)
Where did you see the Singleton to South Dakota news?
Quote from: Boone on June 18, 2011, 09:29:02 AM
Golden Avalanche and 4everwarriors have it right. Singleton averaged 5.5 points a game and shot 17% from 3 at low D-1 High Point. If he'd been in MU's rotation we were in big trouble.
Buzz was the one who said he'd "surpise people," "get minutes," "see the floor," etc... My guess is he could guard his spot and not turn the ball over. If he could hit an open shot, to keep his defender open, he would have served a purpose next year. I think it's very realistic that Buzz realizes he needs some role players, to play light minutes, and understand that they are never going to be a scorer or big minute guy. I thought Singleton would fill that role. Junior goes down again, and we're all thinking a little differently about things.
Not really avid. My guess is that Buzz thinks that we have better options than Singleton at the point, be it Vander or DWill. If that is what he believes, than I have no reason to doubt him.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 18, 2011, 01:19:30 PM
Not really avid. My guess is that Buzz thinks that we have better options than Singleton at the point, be it Vander or DWill. If that is what he believes, than I have no reason to doubt him.
I don't know that Buzz believes that. I haven't seen or heard anything to make me think he wanted to see the kid leave, be it Buzz kicking him out or Singleton wanting PT. All I know is Buzz was quoted many times saying Singleton would surprise people next year and get some minutes...stating he was not a common walk-on. Not that this is a big deal, but I'm not convinced it's no big deal either.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 18, 2011, 01:41:33 PM
I don't know that Buzz believes that. I haven't seen or heard anything to make me think he wanted to see the kid leave, be it Buzz kicking him out or Singleton wanting PT. All I know is Buzz was quoted many times saying Singleton would surprise people next year and get some minutes...stating he was not a common walk-on. Not that this is a big deal, but I'm not convinced it's no big deal either.
Where was Buzz quoted many times as saying Singleton would surprise folks...? What I saw more were statements by guys like Todd Rosiak and Mark Miller who said that it wa unlikely that Dave would get a scholie at any point. What I heard Buzz say, or being quoted as saying, is that he appreciated the hard work and the contributions of the walk-ons Rob and Dave.
Three months ago I was ripped a new one for making the observation that taking another point guard (juco or otherwise) was a sign that Buzz lacked faith in the two backups we had (Wilson & Singleton).
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=25597.msg285129#msg285129 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=25597.msg285129#msg285129)
Well, not too long after my comment, Buzz took another PG commitment:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=26917.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=26917.0)
And now the other shoe has dropped: Singleton leaves.
It sure seems like Buzz doubted that Singleton could serve as an effective backup PG.
Then again, maybe this wasn't related at all to Singleton's ability. Maybe its just that Buzz knew that Singleton--being a Philadelphia area player--was not long for the team.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 18, 2011, 01:41:33 PM
I don't know that Buzz believes that. I haven't seen or heard anything to make me think he wanted to see the kid leave, be it Buzz kicking him out or Singleton wanting PT. All I know is Buzz was quoted many times saying Singleton would surprise people next year and get some minutes...stating he was not a common walk-on. Not that this is a big deal, but I'm not convinced it's no big deal either.
Then why didn't he give him a scholarship?
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 18, 2011, 03:04:18 PM
Where was Buzz quoted many times as saying Singleton would surprise folks...? What I saw more were statements by guys like Todd Rosiak and Mark Miller who said that it wa unlikely that Dave would get a scholie at any point. What I heard Buzz say, or being quoted as saying, is that he appreciated the hard work and the contributions of the walk-ons Rob and Dave.
Everyone got all excited because Wes said some positive words after the Pro-Am last year. If he was going to be valuable in any way, he would have been given a scholarship.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 18, 2011, 05:48:53 PM
Then why didn't he give him a scholarship?
Because he wasn't good enough to earn one. I'll take the comments from Buzz over your opinion.
OK, so your opinion is that Buzz found him valuable enough to give him minutes, but not valuable enough to give him a scholarship....even though we have two available for next year.
That doesn't make a lot of sense.
And honestly, I don't recall Buzz saying that re Singleton anyway.
Quote from: Marquette84 on June 18, 2011, 04:05:58 PM
Three months ago I was ripped a new one for making the observation that taking another point guard (juco or otherwise) was a sign that Buzz lacked faith in the two backups we had (Wilson & Singleton).
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=25597.msg285129#msg285129 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=25597.msg285129#msg285129)
Well, not too long after my comment, Buzz took another PG commitment:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=26917.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=26917.0)
And now the other shoe has dropped: Singleton leaves.
It sure seems like Buzz doubted that Singleton could serve as an effective backup PG.
Then again, maybe this wasn't related at all to Singleton's ability. Maybe its just that Buzz knew that Singleton--being a Philadelphia area player--was not long for the team.
If only Buzz adopted Dave, everything would have worked out...
So only 2 of the 4 are still on the team now.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2011, 08:57:50 PM
So only 2 of the 4 are still on the team now.
If only you ran the world anyone accused of anything regardless of the evidence would be immediately exiled. "Justice" that only an ayatollah could love.
Chicos - The only reason some would make that post is to cause trouble or draw attention to himself. We all understand that you're starved for attention but, seriously, knock it off.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 18, 2011, 11:12:23 PM
Chicos - The only reason some would make that post is to cause trouble or draw attention to himself. We all understand that you're starved for attention but, seriously, knock it off.
Of course he is, look at the post count.
Id just like to point out Chris Teff and John Wilkolm transferred into Marquette for the 2004-2005 season as walk-ons and sat out that year. The following year they did not play.
This is not the first time a walk on has sat out a year and didn't play the next season.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 18, 2011, 11:12:23 PM
Chicos - The only reason some would make that post is to cause trouble or draw attention to himself. We all understand that you're starved for attention but, seriously, knock it off.
He can't help himself. He knows who the four are, and wants to remind people that knows who they are.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 19, 2011, 07:12:55 AM
He can't help himself. He knows who the four are, and wants to remind people that knows who they are.
Exactly
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 18, 2011, 07:38:18 PM
OK, so your opinion is that Buzz found him valuable enough to give him minutes, but not valuable enough to give him a scholarship....even though we have two available for next year.
That doesn't make a lot of sense.
And honestly, I don't recall Buzz saying that re Singleton anyway.
I'm just going by what I heard Buzz say publicly a few times. When is the last time MU had a player who wouldn't have been good enough to earn a scholarship, who's previous coach took a job at MU, who's parents paid $45,000 a year to send him to a private high school, and then was linked to some poor off-court behavior. I have no idea why the kid left, or if he needed a scholarship to make him happy, but neither do you. So like I said, I'll go with the comments made by Buzz.
avid, I have tried to find even one of these quotes by Buzz...and honestly I cannot.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 19, 2011, 08:02:55 AM
avid, I have tried to find even one of these quotes by Buzz...and honestly I cannot.
Thats because there were none.....
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 19, 2011, 09:18:31 AM
Thats because there were none.....
As stated above, it was Wesley that make flattering comments about Singleton after the pro-am last summer.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 19, 2011, 08:02:55 AM
avid, I have tried to find even one of these quotes by Buzz...and honestly I cannot.
TV and radio...thinking probably the Buzz Show when Singleton was the featured player, etc... I think Vander is going to have to play some minutes at the point because if Junior goes down we're banking on two guys that have never played a D1 game in their lives. Singleton had low D1 experience and a year of growth at MU. In my opinion he would have been in line for some minutes next year depending on the development of our freshmen. It was a nice safety blanket, and just a one year need, but if Junior were to go down we have turnover prone players like DJO and Vander looking at playing minutes at the point and praying that two freshmen are able to develop. I would feel much better with Dave on the bench next year...after that, I don't think MU had any use for him, so my guess tells me he was released for behavioral reasons or bolted because he knew he would have limited minutes next year and none in the future. My opinion is Buzz didn't want him off the team, thought he'd provide a little depth next year at the point, but something happened (behavior or Dave's expectations) that led to him leaving the team. I cannot believe Buzz sleeps well knowing he has Junior and ??? at the point next year. Vander and DJO are going to have to show much more control, and many on this board were writing Junior off not too long ago as well.
Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on June 19, 2011, 09:20:31 AM
As stated above, it was Wesley that make flattering comments about Singleton after the pro-am last summer.
I get that...also comments from Buzz.
Comments on a radio show are not really indicative over how Buzz (or any coach) truly feels about a player's potential. And I don't think the behaviorial issues had anything to do with it...because there are players still on the team that were involved with the same issue.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 19, 2011, 10:03:42 AM
Comments on a radio show are not really indicative over how Buzz (or any coach) truly feels about a player's potential.
Yeah right...Buzz is so candid.
Avid ... even if Buzz said what you're saying he said, I think you may be reading way too much into what's more than likely typical coachspeak.
How often do you hear coaches saying they don't expect a kid to contribute or that "this kid won't surprise anyone next year and will probably see very few minutes"?
You know it's summer when the departure of a walk on causes a controversy.
I love how some on this board takes Buzz's word as gospel. I'm sure he did say that Singleton would surprise people on the court. What is he suppose to say? "Dave is a D-3 scrub that just tries hard, so we let him carry the gym bag on the way to the airport" I know Buzz is candid but he is also in a leadership role and a good guy, he won't rip a walkon for no reason.
The most we would have got from him is clean up minutes if there was an injury or blowout. This loss was basically nothing. Nice to have a guy like Dave, but in the grand scheme of things it is not a big deal. It's like people who get excited over a 2nd round pick in the NBA making the team and playing some minutes. It's cool you got a contribution out of basically nothing, but in the end this player is completely replaceable.
I don't think it's controversy...I've said from the start, this isn't a bid deal, but I didn't think it was no big deal either. Mayo's reviews talk of him trying the point, but that not being his true position. The same is true of Vander and DJO. Derrick Wilson is the same thing...not noted as being a true pg. So like Rosiak stated earlier in the year, Singleton is an insurance policy and he could have been valuable if Junior went down or if the freshmen can't play point. I liked that he had played a year against the likes of Junior, DJO, DB, etc. and I think we're thin at the PG position next year so he could have been an insurance policy for a year until MU learned what it has in Wilson/Mayo/Vander.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 19, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
Avid ... even if Buzz said what you're saying he said, I think you may be reading way too much into what's more than likely typical coachspeak.
How often do you hear coaches saying they don't expect a kid to contribute or that "this kid won't surprise anyone next year and will probably see very few minutes"?
You know it's summer when the departure of a walk on causes a controversy.
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Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 18, 2011, 11:12:23 PM
Chicos - The only reason some would make that post is to cause trouble or draw attention to himself. We all understand that you're starved for attention but, seriously, knock it off.
It's funny how hypocritical people here are. I make a factual statement and the flying off the handle begins again. The heads plummet into the sand, the three monkeys of Seeing no Evil, Hearing no Evil, Speaking no Evil in full force. Yet we all know if this happened to one of our rivals, people here would jump their crap immediately on this stuff. Funny to watch, to say the least. My comment was factual and considering who the other 2 players are, there is no chance in hell they will be "transferring" or doing anything but playing for MU next season.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2011, 09:21:51 AM
It's funny how hypocritical people here are. I make a factual statement and the flying off the handle begins again.
Can you please show me where the names of the 4 individuals were made public knowledge? I am pretty sure it never happened.
Quote from: MU B2002 on June 20, 2011, 09:28:47 AM
Can you please show me where the names of the 4 individuals were made public knowledge? I am pretty sure it never happened.
Chicos doesn't need confirmed facts or things to be public knowledge. He knows all and sees all. Just ask him. He also serves as judge, jury and executioner in cases where no charges are filed.
People are talking about you, Chicos! Does this fill the void in your life? Do you feel loved? Is it everything you dreamed it would be?
I just can't get that worked up about this. I was looking forward to Singleton being at Marquette, but never envisioned him having any bigger role than Rob Frozena did. I know that comments from Wes and Buzz had some people excited, but he was going to be a walk-on, and I personally never expected him to make more of a contribution than any other walk-on. Regardless of the "scandal" that wasn't or the people that thought he'd be first off the bench behind Cadougan, Singleton was going to be a walk-on, and anything he gave us above what Rob Frozena did for the past four years would have to be considered gravy. I'm glad he gave us a practice body for a year, and wish him the best wherever he decides to go, but this isn't even as big a deal as the length of the post I'm making to say it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2011, 09:21:51 AM
It's funny how hypocritical people here are. I make a factual statement and the flying off the handle begins again. The heads plummet into the sand, the three monkeys of Seeing no Evil, Hearing no Evil, Speaking no Evil in full force. Yet we all know if this happened to one of our rivals, people here would jump their crap immediately on this stuff. Funny to watch, to say the least. My comment was factual and considering who the other 2 players are, there is no chance in hell they will be "transferring" or doing anything but playing for MU next season.
Chicos, the point is that those who know who the four players are have gone to great pains to not identify who they are since this story broke - especially since no charges were filed or arrests were made. And you have just identified two of them.
And frankly outside of calling attention to yourself, I don't know why you would do so at this point in time.
LET ME ADD...that I don't think this incident had anything to do with why those players left.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 20, 2011, 09:34:24 AM
Chicos doesn't need confirmed facts or things to be public knowledge. He knows all and sees all. Just ask him. He also serves as judge, jury and executioner in cases where no charges are filed.
People are talking about you, Chicos! Does this fill the void in your life? Do you feel loved? Is it everything you dreamed it would be?
Careful, Stache, Chicos doesn't like it when people see through him. He'll accuse you of playing doctor or psychcologist.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 20, 2011, 10:28:12 AM
Chicos, the point is that those who know who the four players are have gone to great pains to not identify who they are since this story broke - especially since no charges were filed or arrests were made. And you have just identified two of them.
And frankly outside of calling attention to yourself, I don't know why you would do so at this point in time.
LET ME ADD...that I don't think this incident had anything to do with why those players left.
This. You might think you're playing Upton Sinclair, but you're really just showing how much of a douche you really are. Notice, not one media outlet has published that 2 of the 4 supposed offenders have now left Marquette, it's just you with that scoop!
I'm not saying this because I think I'm a better alumni or fan, I'm saying this because there's a right and wrong way to do things. And this was most CERTAINLY the WRONG way.
Agreed. I'm sure there there are plenty of us here who know the identities of the 4 student athletes in question, but there is nothing good that can come out of revealing any of their names publicly...especially since no charges were filed.
Let's just put this thing to rest already.
Good luck Dave wherever you end up!
Quote from: mosarsour on June 20, 2011, 11:54:53 AM
but there is nothing good that can come out of revealing any of their names publicly...especially since no charges were filed.
uh, chicos can feel good about having the inside scoop or name dropping. impresses me every time!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2011, 08:57:50 PM
So only 2 of the 4 are still on the team now.
I have no idea who the four are. In fact I am not sure if there were 4 people involved in the one matter or 3 people and Blue's little escapade. The statement makes me think that maybe Williams was one of them, but the other one simply could of just graduated and that is why two are gone. Either names should be mentioned or nothing should be said. The trouble with not saying who was accused is the innocent become accused also. However, the thing that is bothering me the most about this is the feeling I am getting that the less talented players are gone and the better players are allowed to stay. I do not like the double standard.
bilsu...there isn't a double standard.
I know who the four are. All four were investigated and have been cleared. The two that left seemingly left for basketball related reasons. (And the only reason I say "seemingly" is because there have been no public statements as to why Singleton has left.) The two that stayed are here and will be valuable members of the team next year. People should stop reading more into it than that.
And this is unrelated to the Blue incident.
Enough said about this, time to move on. He is gone, he was a walk-on.
Quote from: bilsu on June 21, 2011, 08:29:02 AM
I have no idea who the four are. In fact I am not sure if there were 4 people involved in the one matter or 3 people and Blue's little escapade. The statement makes me think that maybe Williams was one of them, but the other one simply could of just graduated and that is why two are gone. Either names should be mentioned or nothing should be said. The trouble with not saying who was accused is the innocent become accused also. However, the thing that is bothering me the most about this is the feeling I am getting that the less talented players are gone and the better players are allowed to stay. I do not like the double standard.
Chicos is inferring that it's a double standard because he doesn't like Buzz and wants to portray him in a negative light. For the record, Chicos also doesn't like Juco guys and he'd prefer if MU had more "traditional" players like Wisconsin does.
The fact of the matter is that all 4 of the players were cleared and while some posters don't want to let it go because it can be twisted into being a squirmy situation for the program, most of us are willing to accept the fact that the players were cleared and we're ready to move on.
I suspect most of the students know who the four are. Not any great secrets out there on this subject. Surprising how many fans here either do not know or are pretending not to know. If the MU supporters here in Chicago know who they are it is not surprising that some Marquette fans throughout the country know as well.
I graduated from MU in 1975. I have no idea what rumors or facts float around the campus.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2011, 09:21:51 AM
It's funny how hypocritical people here are. I make a factual statement and the flying off the handle begins again. The heads plummet into the sand, the three monkeys of Seeing no Evil, Hearing no Evil, Speaking no Evil in full force. Yet we all know if this happened to one of our rivals, people here would jump their crap immediately on this stuff. Funny to watch, to say the least. My comment was factual and considering who the other 2 players are, there is no chance in hell they will be "transferring" or doing anything busy playing for MU next season.
Chicos, alot of people know who the 4 "Accused" individuals were...the key word being accused. It is easy for you to think that two are still here because of how valuable they are to the team, but could you maybe think that just MAYBE those two were not GUILTY of doing anything but only ACCUSED. If you think that the recent departures have to do with the incident maybe you should realize that the two were GUILTY and the other two were found to have done nothing wrong. The facts of the incident were kept under wraps, but an investigation was still done by the D.A, and two people recently left the team after no speculation had ever been made that they would. Congratulations that you know the names alot of 18-21 year old kids do as well, but there is no need for you to be patting your own back, and showing off about what you know.
The best defense for the accused is to let this thread die, not repeatedly bumping it to the top.
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Quote from: Hoopaloop on June 21, 2011, 10:07:50 AM
I suspect most of the students know who the four are. Not any great secrets out there on this subject. Surprising how many fans here either do not know or are pretending not to know. If the MU supporters here in Chicago know who they are it is not surprising that some Marquette fans throughout the country know as well.
Maybe it's just me, but whenever I heard other students talking about who was involved in the cases I just assumed it was all wild ass guesses. I generally look to MUScoop for all the factual information I need when it comes to MU bball, and take anything I hear from others with a grain of salt.
Maybe the 2 who left the team didn't want to be associated with the 4 that were accused of such a horrible thing.
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God bless the mods for keeping Chicos from doing any more damage.
Thank you, mods.