1. Bo Ellis
2. Robert Byrd
3. Wes Matthews
4. Lazar Hayward
5. George Thompson
6. Pat Smith
7. Don Kojis
8. Hank Raymonds
9. DWade
10 John Glaser--because he loves Marquette
Pat Smith only #6? Come on Blackheart he has to be higher.
I'm just going with guys I actively watched, so none of the Al McGuire classics for me. Also, I'm picking the guys that I enjoyed watching the most, not just the best players.
1) Dwyane Wade -- Let me see a Final Four in my time at Marquette
2) Wes Matthews -- Always thought he was the best of the Amigos
3) Jerel McNeal -- Close second to Wes Mat
4) Travis Diener -- He defined heart
5) Jim McIlvane -- Pure shot-blocking dominance
6) Darius Johnson-Odom -- He's fun to watch, his passion is infectious
7) Brian Wardle -- He made me think I could have been a basketball star
8) Tony Smith -- The first real star I remember watching at MU
9) Jimmy F. Butler -- Went from JUCO afterthought to legit NBA prospect
10) Lazar Hayward -- Quiet leader, maybe the hardest worker I've seen
Quote from: Goose on May 15, 2011, 08:23:58 PM
Pat Smith only #6? Come on Blackheart he has to be higher.
He was Al's first recruit--the kid who took a flyer on Al from NYC to come to Milwaukee...and Al said after he retired that when EDB graduated, it was his career highlight (two years late)...not because Pat would be better off, but that the future Smith generations would. But, both were. Bigger to Al than the National Championship, or so he told me after he retired. I believed Al when he said this. One of a kind!
I will only list the ones that I have seen...
1 - David Boone
2 - Wade
3 - Lazar
4 - Doc Rivers
5 - Jerel
6 - Hutch
7 - Tony Miller
8 - Wes
9 - Wardle
10- Anthony Pieper
Honorable Mention - Kerry Trotter, Benny Moore, Damon Key, Tony Smith, Terry Reason, among others.
Never liked Diener.
Surprised that no mention of Butch Lee thus far. The only player from MU that was the Naismith College Player of the Year. In addition, MVP of the '77 Final 4. Also, no Luke?
My list:
1. Bo Elllis - Two NCAA Championship Games.
2. Butch Lee
3. Dean the Dream - a magician
4. Jim Chones - Likely No. 1 if he did not leave after 1 1/2 years.
5. Maurice Lucas - One tough dude.
6. George Thompson - After Al and Hank, George personifies MU basketball, the king
7. Dwyane Wade - Breaking ankles
8. Earl Tatum - smoothest player I have watched at MU.
9. Tony Miller - Defensively, ball handling, assists - awesome player
10. Tony Smith - played on some bad MU teams, but a stud
Honorable Mention - Jim McIlvane, Bernard Toone, Don Kojis (I had never seen him play, he likely deserves the top 10), Travis Diener (just for his moxie and leadership), Lucky Lloyd Walton, Jerome Whitehead,
Sam Worthen (amazing with a basketball, just a joy to watch play)
Quote from: MUMac on May 16, 2011, 07:38:36 AM
Surprised that no mention of Butch Lee thus far. The only player from MU that was the Naismith College Player of the Year. In addition, MVP of the '77 Final 4. Also, no Luke?
My list:
1. Bo Elllis - Two NCAA Championship Games.
2. Butch Lee
3. Dean the Dream - a magician
4. Jim Chones - Likely No. 1 if he did not leave after 1 1/2 years.
5. Maurice Lucas - One tough dude.
6. George Thompson - After Al and Hank, George personifies MU basketball, the king
7. Dwyane Wade - Breaking ankles
8. Earl Tatum - smoothest player I have watched at MU.
9. Tony Miller - Defensively, ball handling, assists - awesome player
10. Tony Smith - played on some bad MU teams, but a stud
Honorable Mention - Jim McIlvane, Bernard Toone, Don Kojis (I had never seen him play, he likely deserves the top 10), Travis Diener (just for his moxie and leadership), Lucky Lloyd Walton, Jerome Whitehead,
Sam Worthen (amazing with a basketball, just a joy to watch play)
No Jerel? All time point leader.
My caveat, players I watched, right or wrong.
1. Travis Diener Enough said.
2. Tony Miller We were there at the same time, had some classes together...I'm biased, but he was amazing on the floor to boot.
3. Jerel McNeal Loved his game from day one.
4. Tony Smith First superstar I met, great person and player.
5. Lazar Hayward Tough as nails, great leader. Loved his passion.
6. Faisal Abraham Another friend, loved watching him grow and succeed as a person and player.
7. Aaron Hutchins Tough as nails, worked his butt off.
8. Wes Matthews Amazing person. It translated to his hoops game, letting the flow of the game come to him, growing as a player.
9. Anthony Pieper Pure scorer, fought hard.
10. Dwyane Wade Amazing, obviously, but only here 2 seasons.
Quote from: jtrash37 on May 16, 2011, 10:05:51 AM
1. Travis Diener Enough said.
I didn't read any farther than this
Quote from: jtrash37 on May 16, 2011, 10:05:51 AM
My caveat, players I watched, right or wrong.
1. Travis Diener Enough said.
2. Tony Miller We were there at the same time, had some classes together...I'm biased, but he was amazing on the floor to boot.
3. Jerel McNeal Loved his game from day one.
4. Tony Smith First superstar I met, great person and player.
5. Lazar Hayward Tough as nails, great leader. Loved his passion.
6. Faisal Abraham Another friend, loved watching him grow and succeed as a person and player.
7. Aaron Hutchins Tough as nails, worked his butt off.
8. Wes Matthews Amazing person. It translated to his hoops game, letting the flow of the game come to him, growing as a player.
9. Anthony Pieper Pure scorer, fought hard.
10. Dwyane Wade Amazing, obviously, but only here 2 seasons.
Wade was at MU for three years.
Blackheart--Always was a fun of Pat Smith. Great story.
My top 10
1. Butch Lee---Best college player in MU history in my opinion.
2. DWade---Best player in school history, but missing a ring.
3. Bo Ellis--Best Freshman I ever saw. Got better with time
4. Dean the Dream---Name says it all
5. Maurice Lucas--Better pro than college player, but one cool dude
6. Earl Tatum---Black Jerry West, enough said
7. George Thompson--Man amongst boys
8. Travis Deiner--Born winner and glue of program for 4 years
9. Doc Rivers--Another guy better in the pro's, but never forget one hand alley oop dunk or game winner against ND.
10. Bob Peircy--If nickname is "Beautiful Bob" you make my top 10.
1.Butch Lee - national POY in 78 and NCAA MVP on national champs in 77
2.D Wade - most talented MU player ever
3.Bo Ellis - 4 year starter, vital cog on two final four teams
4.Dean Meminger - best point guard of many great ones for MU
5.Maurice Lucas - leader of 74 NCAA runnerups
6.George Thompson - "Brute Force" was the first of Al's All Americans
7.Earl Tatum - silky smooth, won the NBA one-on-one tournament
8.Don Kojis - probably should be higher but I never saw him
9.Tony Smith - great player on some not so great teams
10.Wes Mathews - higher if his shackles were taken off sooner.
Honorable mention: Jim Chones (top 5 if he finishes his second year), Jerome Whitehead, Llyod Walton, Bob Lackey, Larry McNeil, Sam Worthen, Rorert Byrd, Doc Rivers (great talent, solid pro, but not a great college player), Aaron Hutchins, Tony Miller, Jim McIlvane, Travis Diener, Dominique James, Lazar Hayward, Jerel McNeal, Steve Novak and Jimmy Butler (in no particular order after Chones).
Where's the Novak love on this board?!
Sticking to players since I enrolled at MU (1998)
My top 10
1. Dwayne Wade - a gift to watch him live 15-20 times per year
2. Lazar Hayward - born leader, played out of position but never complained
3. Steve Novak - Turned out to be the leader fans thought Diener was
4. Wesley Matthews - underutilized early, came on strong late
5. Jimmy Butler - from no-name to NBA prospect
6. Scott Merritt - very underappreciated player
7. Jerel McNeal - he could drive me nuts, but the guy can play
8. Cordell Henry - underrated PG
9. Robert Jackson - no RJax, no FF
10. Mike Bargen - White Chocolate!
Honorable Mentions: Dom James, Terry Sanders, Olouma Nnamaka, Odartey Blankson, Bart Miller, Ousmane Barro
What the heck, they are Warriors so they are all my favorites.
Quote from: reinko on May 16, 2011, 10:25:20 AM
Wade was at MU for three years.
Agreed, but he was a redshirt for one of those three.
Ill list in terms of my enjoyment watching them play along with their accolades/abilities.
1. Travis Diener - Loved his attitude, his swagger, the fact that he was some 6 foot white kid from WI like myself.
2. Wes Matthews- Just a heady, patient, intelligent player. Remember during the Bama, he broke out, showed his potential.
3. Dwayne Wade - Do I need to say more? Game against ECU at the BC was sublime
4. Steve Novak - Rose from my seat everytime he released the ball
5. Anthony Pieper - First player I can remember being my "favorite" as a kid. Dude could fill it up
6. Aaron Hutchins - Good god he was clutch
7. Dominic James - Frustrating, but when he was on, just electrifying
8. Lazar/JFB - Neither were my favorite players on the team, but I had/have so much respect for their selfless play and dedication to the team. First class dudes
9. Ousmane Barro - Dude just looked like he was having so much fun. Always a huge grin
10. Dwight Burke - Specifically for his senior year when he randomly would hit 15 footers and throw down crazy stickbacks. The 3 Amigos were the stars, but Burke would make us celebrate far more wildly.
Honorable Mention: Brian Wardle (just a beacon during a semi-dim period of MU hoops). Faisal Abraham (for the gun show), Oluoma Nnamaka (one of my fav underrated players in MU history), Ryan Amoroso
Quote from: jtrash37 on May 16, 2011, 10:05:51 AM
My caveat, players I watched, right or wrong.
1. Travis Diener Enough said.
2. Tony Miller We were there at the same time, had some classes together...I'm biased, but he was amazing on the floor to boot.
3. Jerel McNeal Loved his game from day one.
4. Tony Smith First superstar I met, great person and player.
5. Lazar Hayward Tough as nails, great leader. Loved his passion.
6. Faisal Abraham Another friend, loved watching him grow and succeed as a person and player.
7. Aaron Hutchins Tough as nails, worked his butt off.
8. Wes Matthews Amazing person. It translated to his hoops game, letting the flow of the game come to him, growing as a player.
9. Anthony Pieper Pure scorer, fought hard.
10. Dwyane Wade Amazing, obviously, but only here 2 seasons.
Not many basketball rankings around where Faisal Abraham is listed ahead of Dwyane Wade. Four spots ahead at that!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 16, 2011, 09:00:12 AM
No Jerel? All time point leader.
took him four years to edge George, who did it in 3 years.
I don't get how people are listing Wade so low. Has time erased just how large of an impact he had on turning the program around?
I also don't get why Matthews seems to be rated higher than Wade. Matthews is a great dude but his breakout Senior season wasn't more impressive than Wade's rookie season, much less Wade's awe-inspiring last season at MU.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 16, 2011, 12:22:24 PM
I don't get how people are listing Wade so low. Has time erased just how large of an impact he had on turning the program around?
I also don't get why Matthews seems to be rated higher than Wade. Matthews is a great dude but his breakout Senior season wasn't more impressive than Wade's rookie season, much less Wade's awe-inspiring last season at MU.
A lot of people, myself included, are listing their favorite MU players, not the best MU players.
If pressed to a top 10, I am most in agreement with Lenny.
In an effort to blend the pre ESPN group with the post ESPN crowd, I easily reached a top 20, still with honorable mentions, like Lenny's:
Al McGuire
George Thompson
Don Kojis
Butch Lee
Bo Ellis
Dwayne Wade
Maurice Lucas
Dean Meminger
Lazar Hayward
Jerrel McNeal
Jim Chones
Wes Matthews
Tony Smith
Earl Tatum
Travis Diener
Steve Novak
Jerome Whitehead
Jim McIlvaine
Doc Rivers
Jimmy Butler
Honorables:Lloyd Walton, Bob Lackey, Larry McNeil, Sam Worthen, Robert Byrd, Aaron Hutchins, Tony Miller, Brian Wardle, Dominique James,Damon Key, Cordell Henry, Mike Moran, Bob Wolf, Terry Rand, Bernard Toone, Oliver Lee, Ron Glaser, Rick Cobb, Robert Jackson, Gene Berce and Tom Flynn
Quote from: MUEng92 on May 16, 2011, 12:08:30 PM
Not many basketball rankings around where Faisal Abraham is listed ahead of Dwyane Wade. Four spots ahead at that!
I was friends with Faisal. We dated girls who lived in the same apartment for a year. Didn't make the list based on pure talent, I had some level of interaction with ALL the players on the list except Wade.
Lenny'sTap---Love your list! First time we have ever agreed on here, but our lists are very similar.
Quote from: jtrash37 on May 16, 2011, 04:15:09 PM
I was friends with Faisal. We dated girls who lived in the same apartment for a year. Didn't make the list based on pure talent, I had some level of interaction with ALL the players on the list except Wade.
I assumed that was the case. If I were friends with a player, he would be higher on my list too. The list is My Top 10 Marquette Warriors, so you can base it on anything you want. I hope it didn't come across the wrong way. I just thought is was funny seeing Faisal Abraham ahead of Wade on a basketball related list.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 16, 2011, 12:22:24 PM
I also don't get why Matthews seems to be rated higher than Wade. Matthews is a great dude but his breakout Senior season wasn't more impressive than Wade's rookie season, much less Wade's awe-inspiring last season at MU.
My guess Wes is pretty high on a lot of lists because of his recent success story in the NBA going from undrafted to being like what the second highest paid player in his draft class behind Blake Griffin. I think his career in the NBA just proves how good of a player he could've been at MU his first 3 years prior to his breakout senior campaign. I think just based on pure production in college McNeal has to be rated ahead of Matthews despite the fact Matthews is and was the more talented/polished player. I remember McNeal really improving his stroke from beyond the arc in his junior and senior years. Too bad James couldn't figure his shot out because if he had an average jump shot MU could've been Final Four good. Just thought I would add those two tidbits. ;D
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 16, 2011, 09:00:12 AM
No Jerel? All time point leader.
I waivered with he, Dom and Wes. They may be in the honorable mention aread. Jerel was not just the all time point leader, but also all time in games played. Had some of the older players been able to play 4 years and/or have a 3 point line, I doubt he would be the all time point leader.
He was a very good player - especially for MU. I just don't see him in the top 10.
Just my opinion.
Is this a list of favorite players or best players?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 16, 2011, 09:00:12 AM
No Jerel? All time point leader.
Heart of a lion, a fearless player. Also too often out of control, he could be a turnover machine. The type of player Chicos would call "low Basketball IQ".
At least Houwarrior had Terry Rand on the list. He could play today. Also a name Ron Dibelius (Guard) Great shot but only HM.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on May 16, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
My guess Wes is pretty high on a lot of lists because of his recent success story in the NBA going from undrafted to being like what the second highest paid player in his draft class behind Blake Griffin. I think his career in the NBA just proves how good of a player he could've been at MU his first 3 years prior to his breakout senior campaign. I think just based on pure production in college McNeal has to be rated ahead of Matthews despite the fact Matthews is and was the more talented/polished player. I remember McNeal really improving his stroke from beyond the arc in his junior and senior years. Too bad James couldn't figure his shot out because if he had an average jump shot MU could've been Final Four good. Just thought I would add those two tidbits. ;D
Agree with just about everything you said and yes D James could have used some work on his shot but MU WAS final four good. Until D James went down we were a top 10 team and really hot. With D James actually committed to playing PG (and a stud on the ball defender as well) and Wes, Jerel, and Lazar scoring in bunches; we could have done something special.
I'm a guard guy....
1. Travis Diener, heart and soul of team. He also threw 88 mph in high school. (Can someone confirm this? I've heard this rumor a few times)
2. Brian Wardle, the guy carried the whole team.
3. Rob Logtermann. Knock Down Shooter
4. Aaron Hutchins Watching him grow from frosh year - senior year was a joy.
5. John Cliff. Still feel for him when he missed the shot @ Minnesota to take the team to the NIT final four.
6. John Polonowski
7. Jerel McNeal
8. Ronny Eford --- Mr. Everything
9. Steve Novak
10. Cordell Henry
Gonna go with my 10 favorite players to watch, that I have seen in person-
1. Dwyane Wade
2. Aaron Hutchins
3. Tony Miller
4. Travis Diener
5. Lazar Hayward
6. Steve Novak
7. Tony Smith
8. Roney Eford
9. Dominic James
10. Brian Wardle
Honorable Mentions- Jimmy Butler, Wesley Matthews, Jerel McNeal, Chris Crawford
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on May 16, 2011, 08:03:39 PM
Is this a list of favorite players or best players?
Whatever a poster wants. I started this as my Warrior list...those favorites who exemplify that name to me.
Lenny nails it, although I think many on this board are overstating their Wesley Matthews love based on the success he's had in the NBA. He was not a fabulous college player. He was a nice player. Frankly, I think Jimmy Butler had a better career at MU than Wesley.
I also think our recent Sweet 16 run has finally put the "Big Three" ("Three Amigos") in perspective. They were three very nice four year players who were overhyped and coddled from the moment they stepped on campus (Big East media day anybody?) and never won anything. Nice players, but not all time greats.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 17, 2011, 07:37:50 AM
Lenny nails it...
Agree, but you can't have McIlvaine on your honorable mention list and not Damon Key, who was the far superior college player. McIlvaine didn't even start the NCAA tournament game his junior year when we were facing Big Country Reeves and proved the decision to be correct by fouling out while not scoring while Key threw up a 20 and 8.
I find it interesting how polarizing Travis Diener seems to be. Some have him at or near the top of their lists stating that he was the scrappy, heart and soul of the team. Others, like me, didn't even give him an "Honorable Mention."
Quote from: CTWarrior on May 17, 2011, 09:12:35 AM
Agree, but you can't have McIlvaine on your honorable mention list and not Damon Key, who was the far superior college player. McIlvaine didn't even start the NCAA tournament game his junior year when we were facing Big Country Reeves and proved the decision to be correct by fouling out while not scoring while Key threw up a 20 and 8.
Oh...I agree with you. McIlvaine was a defensive force, but for goodness sakes Barro was a better offensive player. He was all thumbs. Key was a great player and I'll even throw Trevor Powell in there. I still think, until James came along (and I wasn't a fan of his) Powell was one of the best freshman contributors we've had here in a while.
1.Butch Lee
2.Maurice Lucas
3.Dwyane Wade
3.Bo Ellis
4.Dean Meminger
5.Tony Smith
6.George Thompson
7.Doc Rivers
8.Jerel McNeal
9.Lazar Hayward
10.Travis Diener
11.Don Smolinski
1. Wade
2. Mo Lucas
3. George Thompson
4. Butch Lee
5. Bo Ellis
6. Dean the Dream
7. Jim Chones
8. Doc Rivers
9. Don Kojis
10.Gary Brell
I am a little older than most of you guys---61. I go back to around 1960 with the Warriors---eh Golden Eagles. I know Brell is a headscratcher---but he was the most competive feisty guy I remember.
I remember Mcguire gave him a couple packets of mustard when they played Detroit and he stuck them in
Dick Vitales hand during pre game intros.
Quote from: CTWarrior on May 17, 2011, 09:12:35 AM
Agree, but you can't have McIlvaine on your honorable mention list and not Damon Key, who was the far superior college player. McIlvaine didn't even start the NCAA tournament game his junior year when we were facing Big Country Reeves and proved the decision to be correct by fouling out while not scoring while Key threw up a 20 and 8.
My bad on Key.
Quote from: jefffla01 on May 17, 2011, 11:40:08 AM
1. Wade
2. Mo Lucas
3. George Thompson
4. Butch Lee
5. Bo Ellis
6. Dean the Dream
7. Jim Chones
8. Doc Rivers
9. Don Kojis
10.Gary Brell
I am a little older than most of you guys---61. I go back to around 1960 with the Warriors---eh Golden Eagles. I know Brell is a headscratcher---but he was the most competive feisty guy I remember.
I remember Mcguire gave him a couple packets of mustard when they played Detroit and he stuck them in
Dick Vitales hand during pre game intros.
I thought about Gary Brell, too--a hometown kid from Pius. He lacked numbers, but was always around the ball, a good rebounder, and played good matchup defense.
Those today would be shocked by it, but during the national anthem,Gary used to obviously and purposely look down and away from the US flag, in protest of the vietnam war, at least once with a fist in the air, a la John Carlos.
As Gary played us in high school, and he was such a fun odball, he was one of my personal favs, too.
Quote from: jefffla01 on May 17, 2011, 11:40:08 AM
1. Wade
2. Mo Lucas
3. George Thompson
4. Butch Lee
5. Bo Ellis
6. Dean the Dream
7. Jim Chones
8. Doc Rivers
Damn, you're old. Bet you remember Dal's too? BTW, it was Johnny Dee and Notre Dame on the mustard.
9. Don Kojis
10.Gary Brell
I am a little older than most of you guys---61. I go back to around 1960 with the Warriors---eh Golden Eagles. I know Brell is a headscratcher---but he was the most competive feisty guy I remember.
I remember Mcguire gave him a couple packets of mustard when they played Detroit and he stuck them in
Dick Vitales hand during pre game intros.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 17, 2011, 07:37:50 AM
Lenny nails it, although I think many on this board are overstating their Wesley Matthews love based on the success he's had in the NBA. He was not a fabulous college player. He was a nice player. Frankly, I think Jimmy Butler had a better career at MU than Wesley.
I also think our recent Sweet 16 run has finally put the "Big Three" ("Three Amigos") in perspective. They were three very nice four year players who were overhyped and coddled from the moment they stepped on campus (Big East media day anybody?) and never won anything. Nice players, but not all time greats.
Interesting. I still think that had DJ not gotten hurt, the NCAA run that amigo senior year could have been special. Seen 34 seasons of players (in person) at Marquette, and one of my strongest memories is seeing Dominic James dunk at Notre Dame his freshman year--it was simply an amazing feat. DJ going down against U-Conn that senior year simply took the season away. Of course, we'll never know.
My all time favorite Warrior is Butch Lee. I'll wait on the other nine.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on May 17, 2011, 08:00:05 PMInteresting. I still think that had DJ not gotten hurt, the NCAA run that amigo senior year could have been special. Seen 34 seasons of players (in person) at Marquette, and one of my strongest memories is seeing Dominic James dunk at Notre Dame his freshman year--it was simply an amazing feat. DJ going down against U-Conn that senior year simply took the season away. Of course, we'll never know.
+1
I think we beat Louisville, UConn, and Syracuse with James healthy. We would have tied with Pitt for second in the conference, earned a double-bye, and gotten at least to the Big East semifinals. Go into the tourney with a 27-6 record, probably a 2 or 3 seed...it could have been a very different finish to the season if not for that injury. Ahh...what might have been.
Damn, you're old. Bet you remember Dal's too?
4Ever----
Nothing could beat a big bag of Dal's burgers smothered in onions!
Or a custard cone. Blue Deli and Suburbia weren't bad either. Always liked crossing the Avenue by using the tunnel around 11th or 12th street. Man, I could go on and on.
Quote from: leever on May 18, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
Damn, you're old. Bet you remember Dal's too?
4Ever----
Nothing could beat a big bag of Dal's burgers smothered in onions!
I'm so old I remember when Dal's was Milt's (my freshman year - 66-67). Burgers were 25c each but if you bought 4 to go they gave you a 5th for free. Given the horrible food at Schroeder and my generally impoverished state, my very survival was linked to finding four guys every night who had a quarter and a yen for a Milt's/Dal's fix.
I'm so old I remember back when Carter was president...
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 18, 2011, 09:21:16 AM
I'm so old I remember when Dal's was Milt's (my freshman year - 66-67). Burgers were 25c each but if you bought 4 to go they gave you a 5th for free. Given the horrible food at Schroeder and my generally impoverished state, my very survival was linked to finding four guys every night who had a quarter and a yen for a Milt's/Dal's fix.
Exactly - 5 for a buck with no extra charge for the grease or onions! Not sure if there was any actual meat involved, but it was a filling meal on a tight budget. This is probably one case where "they don't make 'em like that anymore" - - and that's not a bad thing!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 18, 2011, 09:53:27 AM
I'm so old I remember back when Carter was president...
The four generation test of age..
Do you remember where you were when--
-you heard about the Japs bombing Pearl Harbor? (my parents)
-you heard President Kennedy was shot? (me)
-you heard John Lennon was shot? (some of y'all)
-you heard Twin Towers were hit on 9/11? (almost everyone alive)
Quote from: houwarrior on May 18, 2011, 03:45:22 PM
The four generation test of age..
Do you remember where you were when--
-you heard about the Japs bombing Pearl Harbor? (my parents)
-you heard President Kennedy was shot? (me)
-you heard John Lennon was shot? (some of y'all)
-you heard Twin Towers were hit on 9/11? (almost everyone alive)
My parents are old enough to vaguely remember the Kennedy assassination from when they were little... they were about 5 years old at the time.
9/11 I was at Marquette. It was quite the bonding experience for me and my buddies to be without family at a young-ish age for something traumatic like that.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 18, 2011, 03:56:13 PM
My parents are old enough to vaguely remember the Kennedy assassination from when they were little... they were about 5 years old at the time.
At least I'm younger than your parents (a little).
From the perspective of a three year old, I was upset that President Kennedy's funeral screwed up my cartoon schedule on TV.
Lennon's death: Came home from the library studying for finals, heard it on TV.
9/11 - driving to work, first report said small plane. My first thought was terrorist.
I was in kindergarten when Kennedy got shot. Its one of my earliest memories.
I remember my teacher crying and not knowing what was going on.
MY list - enjoy it, don't over-analyze it.
10. Sam Worthen - remember that bald head of his.
9. Bo Ellis - the uniforms.
8. Lazar Hayward - great team leader.
7. Dwyane Wade - triple double.
6. Butch Lee - NCAA MVP.
5. Maurice Lucas - a look that could kill.
4. Jerome Whitehead - squarest shoulders I ever saw; stoic.
3. Steve Novak - loved the stroke, plus a great last name.
2. Wes Matthews - revived the Warrior.
1. Bernard Toone - that hair, that beard, that je ne sais quoi!
I started really watching Marquette basketball in the late 80s, so I'll keep my list to players from that era. I'm going with guys that I liked, which is based on a combination of factors.
1. Tony Miller - I had a personal relationship with Tony. He could have been a scrub and would still be tops on my list.
2. Dwyane Wade - I think we all forget how good he was, especially on defense. He did things no MU player did for decades.
3. Aaron Hutchins - Man, did this guy hit some big shots. Those were some good MU teams, and a lot of it was because of the Little General.
4. Brian Wardle - Another big shot guy. He deserved to play in the NCAA tournament just once. Imagine him on last year's team?
5. Damon Key - Remember watching him in high school too. He was a big dude.
6. John Cliff - Always thought he was underrated. I second the poster who brought up the NIT quarterfinal game.
7. Travis Diener - Just tough as nails. He always played hurt. If he was on the other team, he'd annoy the hell out of me.
8. Anthony Pieper - Another player who would have been a great addition to last year's team. Great shooter.
9. Jerel McNeal - Really got better as his career progressed on both ends of the court. Put the team on his back in the 2008 NCAA tournament.
10. Tony Smith - I had a nerf hoop up in my room and used to pretend I was Tony Smith. Great player.
Others: Lazar Hayward, Cordell Henry, Todd Townsend, Steve Novak, Faisal Abraham, Chris Crawford, Marcus West, Jimmy Mac, Robb Logterman, Roney Eford, Jarrod Lovette, David Cubillan, Ron Curry.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 16, 2011, 08:04:22 PM
Heart of a lion, a fearless player. Also too often out of control, he could be a turnover machine. The type of player Chicos would call "low Basketball IQ".
I refer that remark mostly to posters like yourself. :D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 19, 2011, 12:25:55 AM
I refer that remark mostly to posters like yourself. :D
Lenny the Lion Hearted. Nice.
Tough to put this list together...do I go with my years at MU as a student in which we had 4 losing seasons in 5 years but graduated as some young pups (Key, Logterman, MacIlvaine) were just about hitting their stride). Or my 5 years working in the department in which we went to the NCAAs twice and NIT twice...or the last 12 years of watching \ flying to some games
1. Steve Novak...great guy, 4 years, got better each year, best shooter ever seen in my life, super cool to my son on multiple occasions..delivered a Final Four
2. Wesley Matthews....sonsummate team player when he could have been the star
3. Travis Diener...scrappy, nasty despite his boyish looks, the assasin....delivered a Final Four
4. Tony Miller....great athlete and street smart, high basketball IQ even though he wasn't necessarily a great basketball player, but his BBall IQ and athleticism made him special. Delivered us to Sweet 16 and our first EVER conference championship
5. Dwyane Wade...2 great playing years, continues to carry MU torch in the NBA..delivered a Final Four
6. Damon Key...Old school. Loved how he used his frame. Gentle giant. Delivered us to Sweet 16 and our first EVER conference championship
7. Jim MacIlvaine...Super good guy on and off quart. Won the lottery in the NBA and God Bless him for it. Delivered us to Sweet 16 and our first EVER conference championship
8. Mark Anglavar....the only thing worth watching the first few years at MU. Slow but could shoot. Shared plenty of classes with him. Good dude.
9. Anthony Pieper...moxy, plus he made out with one of my employees in the department who was probably 10 years older than him...moxy
10. Bo Ellis...never saw him play in person but worked with him for several years when he was on staff. A delightful person in the office, heartbroken to hear about Nikki (who also worked in our office)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 19, 2011, 12:42:55 AM
7. Jim MacIlvaine...Super good guy on and off quart. Won the lottery in the NBA and God Bless him for it. Delivered us to Sweet 16 and our first EVER conference championship
I know - it's just a little typo, but it made me laugh out loud.
Didn't know about Mac's drinking problem
Thanks Chico!
My list (beginning with 79-80 season, my freshman year).
1. Damon Key - Overshadowed by McIlvaine for some reason but was the much better college player
2. Tony Miller - Tremendous competitor, small, couldn't shoot, but smartest player I have seen at MU
3. Lazar Hayward - Played out of position for 4 years, but just played and gave it everything he had
4. Michael Wilson - Forgotten guard from the early 80s, but could really play. Tough as nails and flattest jump shot in history that was still effective.
5. Dwyane Wade - If it was the best player, he'd be number 1
6. Aaron Hutchins - Probably the most fun MU guy to watch that I remember
7. Jimmy Butler - Quiet, did whatever needed to be done
8. Mandy Johnson - Unassuming glue guy for Hank Raymonds (I love unassuming glue guys)
9. Brian Wardle - Warrior
10. Steve Novak - Loved to watch him shoot
Honorable mentions (Group A) - Sam Worthen, Artie Green, Oliver Lee, Terry Reasons, Kerry Trotter, Anthony Pieper, Walter Downing, Dominic James, Jerel McNeal, Travis Diener - Colorful characters with varying skill levels that helped make following MU fun and exciting.
Honorable mentions (Group B) - Robb Logterman, Ron Eford, Robert Byrd, Ron Curry, Trevor Powell, Amal McCaskill, Wes Matthews - unsung guys who get lost in time but who were good players who were overshadowed for various reasons during their careers.
Apologies to Tony Smith, who played in an era when I lived on the East Coast and MU was NEVER on TV, so I only saw him play a few times.
If we are going for favorites, here is my list:
1. Artie Green--The grasshopper was BEST dunker in school history.
2. Benard Toone--Unbelievable skill and boy could he shoot.
3. Oliver Lee--#0 was smooth baller. Loved one handed boads.
4. Goose Brell--Pius XI fellow alumni and loved him as a kid.
5. Sam Worthen--Entertainer with the ball. Fun to watch.
6. David Boone--Paid money to watch a guy rebound.
7. Dwayne Johnson--My classmate and study partner. Great around the hole.
8. Terry Reason--My classmate and study partner. Great 'do.
9. Aaron Hutchins--A closer.
10. Shnnon Smith--Could have been special.
I found these guys fun to watch over the years.
I'm figurin' the chicks at Cobeen, Tower, and O'D would agree that DJ was great around the hole.
Thank you CT and Goose for including my all time fave Artie Green. I was beginning to think I was the only one.
I was a sheltered white kid with wide open eyes at MU. Sure I had heard how some guys could jump (Like David Thompson of NC State) But I had never seen it in person.
When AG stole a pass and had a breakaway - his dunks were thunderous. I was in awe. I didn't think it was possible for a human to jump like that. His athleticism was amazing - I believe he got drafted to the NBA and NFL.
Jumping ability didn't help much at gas stations.
4ever Warriors---Some great lines tonight. Thanks for picking up on DJ reference. Different times back then. He knew how to fill up the hole 24/7.
Slim---The grasshopper was once in a lifetime thrill provider. To watch him run full speed and then jump off both feet was something else. IMO he was most exciting dunker in school history.