Would love to see Faust and Breunig in a package deal.
http://twitter.com/#!/terpsinsider
Well, I believe MU has five days left (5/18/11) in the signing period and all the speculation will end. Do they sign one or two recruits? Stay tuned.......
The 18th is not a drop dead date. The LOI is non binding after the 18th. The secret after that date is to get the recruit on campus and enrolled.
Confirmation..
http://terrapinstationmd.com/2011/05/12/nick-faust-receives-release-from-maryland-loi/
Faust and Breunig coming together would be a huge coup, though I'd want Breunig more simply based on need. The only drawback is that it would take our only scholarships for 2012, but a class of Faust, Anderson, Breunig, Mayo, and Wilson would certainly be one that was rated pretty highly by any objective observer.
Quote from: nyg on May 12, 2011, 05:08:59 PM
Well, I believe MU has five days left (5/18/11) in the signing period and all the speculation will end. Do they sign one or two recruits? Stay tuned.......
Signing period means nothing. Faust can't even sign an NLI for 2011-12 as of TODAY.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 12, 2011, 05:31:09 PM
Signing period means nothing. Faust can't even sign an NLI for 2011-12 as of TODAY.
Thats why I wrote "believe". What are the signing rules and dates, anyone know?
He's gonna, "wait and see whoever calls"
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/recruiting/2011/05/nick_faust_sterling_gibbs_reopen_recruitments.html
Nick Faust, Sterling Gibbs reopen recruitments
One day after Maryland introduced Mark Turgeon as its new men's basketball coach, the Terps' 2011 recruiting class dwindled from three members to zero.
City shooting guard Nick Faust and Seton Hall Prep (N.J.) point guard Sterling Gibbs both said Thursday that they were granted releases from their letters of intent. Maryland's third class of 2011 signee, German forward Martin Breunig, requested to be released from his letter of intent Wednesday, according to InsideMDSports.com.
Faust said Thursday he has considered reopening his recruitment "ever since Gary [Williams] retired. Me and my parents have just been talking to see what the best fit is, basically just going to make the right decision and [figure out] where I want to go from here."
Gibbs also discussed his options with his family before going forward with his request.
"We just felt that it was in our best interest to just explore our options," Gibbs said. "Maryland is still my top priority. But I just want to make sure that it was the best fit for me."
Faust said he didn't have a specific list of schools, but he is "definitely still considering" Maryland. Aside from the Terps, the 6-foot-5 senior said he'll wait and "see whoever calls." Faust, a Baltimore Sun first-team All-Metro selection this year, said his conversations with Turgeon have been positive.
"He's a great guy, great coach," Faust said. "I told him that I just wanted to do this to make sure I go to the best place for me. ... I know he respected that. He gave me the option of being able to weigh my options. I respect him for that also."
Gibbs said his AAU coach, Gary Charles of the New York Panthers, was fielding calls from interested colleges. Charles told SNY.tv that Dayton, Louisville, Notre Dame, Providence, Seton Hall and Texas were among the programs that inquired about Gibbs.
"It was definitely a rough decision because when I signed my letter of intent, I signed with Gary Williams," Gibbs said. "When I heard he retired, it was definitely tough to try to develop a relationship with someone who I don't know and someone who hardly knows me within a couple days."
Still, Gibbs said he has had "a couple good conversations" with Turgeon, and reiterated that "Maryland is still my top priority." While his AAU coach handles the recruiting process, Gibbs plans to stay in touch with Faust.
"I've definitely been talking to Nick just about every day," Gibbs said. "And we've just been trying to talk it out. He's pretty much doing the same thing, just making sure that Maryland is the right place."
Quote from: nyg on May 12, 2011, 05:35:27 PM
Thats why I wrote "believe". What are the signing rules and dates, anyone know?
That is a broad (and unclear) question. The thing to understand is that signing an NLI is not required.
Quote from: nyg on May 12, 2011, 05:35:27 PM
Thats why I wrote "believe". What are the signing rules and dates, anyone know?
You can only sign one NLI in a year. Being release from an NLI allows you to pursue other opportunities, but you cannot sign another NLI. Thus, the dates are irrelevant.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 12, 2011, 05:24:19 PM
Faust and Breunig coming together would be a huge coup, though I'd want Breunig more simply based on need. The only drawback is that it would take our only scholarships for 2012, but a class of Faust, Anderson, Breunig, Mayo, and Wilson would certainly be one that was rated pretty highly by any objective observer.
I'd rather have Faust based on talent.
Quote from: MUMac on May 12, 2011, 08:50:24 PM
You can only sign one NLI in a year. Being release from an NLI allows you to pursue other opportunities, but you cannot sign another NLI. Thus, the dates are irrelevant.
Glad you answered that for me. Thanks.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 12, 2011, 09:01:13 PM
I'd rather have Faust based on talent.
+1. The guy is a top 50 player. He would be our highest rated recruit in the class, and one of the highest rated recruits to come into Marquette in a long time. We have 2 open scholarships. Do everything you can to get him and if he wants in, he's in, in my opinion.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 13, 2011, 12:10:25 AM
+1. The guy is a top 50 player. He would be our highest rated recruit in the class, and one of the highest rated recruits to come into Marquette in a long time. We have 2 open scholarships. Do everything you can to get him and if he wants in, he's in, in my opinion.
Actually, I think Vander was generally ranked higher than Faust on average......but pretty close. You say tomatoe....
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on May 13, 2011, 07:24:19 AM
Actually, I think Vander was generally ranked higher than Faust on average......but pretty close. You say tomatoe....
And you still say tomatoe. Reread his post.
we have one scholie for this year and one for next year right? so signing two seniors now would put us over the limit?
With the Williams transfer, we have two left for 2011.
I thought with EWill transferring we had 2 this year to use...that being said...who cares if we use them to get someone like Faust, Breunig, or the guy from South Dakota that has a decent 3 point shot? If we want to have the best team, then use the scholarships to get the best players out there if they are available.
The two kids from Maryland, did not want to come here initially, why does anyone think
they want to come here now?
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 13, 2011, 09:17:13 AM
The two kids from Maryland, did not want to come here initially, why does anyone think
they want to come here now?
Because they showed some interest when Marquette recruited them previously and because every highly-touted recruit should want to come to MU.
I would care deeply if they wasted a scholarship on the transfer from South Dakota.
Go get 'em Buzz. The timing is right!
"The two kids from Maryland, did not want to come here initially, why does anyone think
they want to come here now?"
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Marquette finished a close second to Maryland in faust's initial recruitment (per evandanielsscout twitter this am).
I would assume we would be on the top of his list or near it.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 13, 2011, 09:33:11 AM
I would care deeply if they wasted a scholarship on the transfer from South Dakota.
Agreed.
You don't hand these things out like taffy at the checkout line.
If Faust shows a modicum of re-interest, you do all you can to land him. Buzz missed on his top five last summer but he shouldn't let a second chance slip. You never ignore talent.
Keep in mind that Faust signed with Maryland before MU went on its Sweet 16 run as well. There is more evidence now than at the time Faust signed with Maryland - that Buzz Williams is a very good coach - and with the liklihood Jimmy Butler gets drafted/named MVP of Portsmouth....player development also appears to be a strength of Buzz.
As Buzz said in the Chicago event the other night: We are starting to realize the compound interest benefit of the work we've been doing the last 3 years...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 13, 2011, 09:33:11 AM
I would care deeply if they wasted a scholarship on the transfer from South Dakota.
+1
A 6'3" spot-up shooter who eats a scholarship for 3 years yet only contributes for 2 (in a minor role) is not worth it. Shooting can be taught. Being a 6'6" athlete with NBA potential cannot.
Quote from: Ners on May 13, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
Keep in mind that Faust signed with Maryland before MU went on its Sweet 16 run as well. There is more evidence now than at the time Faust signed with Maryland - that Buzz Williams is a very good coach - and with the liklihood Jimmy Butler gets drafted/named MVP of Portsmouth....player development also appears to be a strength of Buzz.
As Buzz said in the Chicago event the other night: We are starting to realize the compound interest benefit of the work we've been doing the last 3 years...
So Buzz maybe can get 2 bigs for 2012, nothing against Faust but there is enough 2's and 3's right now. Already have 2 coming in
for 2012.
Faust was interested in us when we needed perimeter players. We've since added Mayo and have Taylor and Ferguson waiting in the wings. The priority now should be building up the frontcourt -- and no, solely adding Breunig, who plays more like a 3 on offense and isn't a rebounder -- won't cut it.
Quote from: Boone on May 13, 2011, 10:10:35 AM
Faust was interested in us when we needed perimeter players. We've since added Mayo and have Taylor and Ferguson waiting in the wings. The priority now should be building up the frontcourt -- and no, solely adding Breunig, who plays more like a 3 on offense and isn't a rebounder -- won't cut it.
With all due respect to Mayo, Taylor and Ferguson, Faust is a significantly better player than all 3 of them. Yes, it would be nice if a top 50 big man was interested in coming to MU but, at this point, that's not the case.
In situations like this, talent trumps need.
EDIT: I'm reminded of Bobby Knight's story about when Portland contacted him asking who he'd suggest they draft Michael Jordan or Sam Bowie. Knight told them Jordan, no question. Portland told him they needed a center. Knight responded: "Play Jordan at center." Not saying that Nick Faust is going to be MJ or that he should play center, but I think that story illustrates the "talent trumps need" point very well.
Quote from: Boone on May 13, 2011, 10:10:35 AM
Faust was interested in us when we needed perimeter players. We've since added Mayo and have Taylor and Ferguson waiting in the wings. The priority now should be building up the frontcourt -- and no, solely adding Breunig, who plays more like a 3 on offense and isn't a rebounder -- won't cut it.
We obviously need more bigs, but I think Buzz is going to try his best to land Faust. I just get the feeling that Buzz is going to try and get the best talent available regardless of position. Faust is by far the highest regarded player we could land right now.
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 13, 2011, 09:17:13 AM
The two kids from Maryland, did not want to come here initially, why does anyone think
they want to come here now?
Don't believe that was necessarily the case with Breunig. ;)
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 13, 2011, 10:02:31 AM
So Buzz maybe can get 2 bigs for 2012, nothing against Faust but there is enough 2's and 3's right now. Already have 2 coming in
for 2012.
Unless you have a big in mind I'd say sign any top 50 recruit we can get our hands on no matter what position they play.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 13, 2011, 11:04:57 AM
Unless you have a big in mind I'd say sign any top 50 recruit we can get our hands on no matter what position they play.
Agree completely. I'd rather have 4-5 top level guys fighting for PT at a position than 2 top level guys and 2 low ceiling role players on the team.
Ya! Faust is a talent and talent wins. Anyone have any info on NC State Commit Joseph Uchebo. 6-10, 240? Sounds like an athlete. Don't know how he would fit in.
Meant Uchebo decommited from NC State
We have talked about him. No signs of us having interest in him.
Recruit athletic basketball players and figure out the positions they play as they go. Game has changed a ton a big is not as important today as ten years ago. Great to have, but not as big of role in today's game. Give me 7-8 Jamil Wilson's and I'd get them to S16.
Quote from: Boone on May 13, 2011, 10:10:35 AM
Faust was interested in us when we needed perimeter players. We've since added Mayo and have Taylor and Ferguson waiting in the wings. The priority now should be building up the frontcourt -- and no, solely adding Breunig, who plays more like a 3 on offense and isn't a rebounder -- won't cut it.
I'm not so sure about that regarding Breunig. From his initial practice tape at St. John's, I agreed. But I recently saw another video of highlights of him from this past season and he looked like he could legitimately play the four. He's currently 6'9" and 215, looks like he could probably add another 20 pounds of muscle to his frame. He's a good shot-blocker, can shoot in the face-up role, and has some serious offensive game inside, both in terms of finishing with dunks and putbacks.
His first highlight video made him look like nothing more than maybe a poor man's Steve Novak (because let's be honest, NO ONE shoots that well) but his more recent videos are a lot more promising in terms of inside play.
I would be very happy if we added Breunig. Faust would be nice, but isn't the need he was before we inked Anderson and Mayo, and got a verbal from Ferguson.
Most feel Faust will stick with Maryland, his request to be released came as a pretty big shock. No idea on Breunig, he was at MD mainly because of the scouting and recruiting of assistant Rob Ehsan who isn't being retained by Turgeon.
Faust is more highly ranked, but if I got to choose I would still take the 6'9 guy. Next year's team needs a spot up 4 with a little inside game more than another 2-3.
Are the 'experts' who think he will remain with MD they same 'experts' who thought he would not re-open? How often does a recruit re-open and then choose their original school? Not very often.
Of course I'd take a 4 star PF over a 4 star SF/SG, based on need. But, not many 4 star bigs are available. I'd much rather take a 4 star wing than a 3 or 2 star big. And, with how fluid rosters are from year to year leaving 2 schollies unused is foolish.
Faust is talented and long, any school would love to have him.
Quote from: 94Warrior on May 14, 2011, 03:07:23 PM
Are the 'experts' who think he will remain with MD they same 'experts' who thought he would not re-open? How often does a recruit re-open and then choose their original school? Not very often.
Of course I'd take a 4 star PF over a 4 star SF/SG, based on need. But, not many 4 star bigs are available. I'd much rather take a 4 star wing than a 3 or 2 star big. And, with how fluid rosters are from year to year leaving 2 schollies unused is foolish.
Faust is talented and long, any school would love to have him.
Well put. Agree with everything you say here.
Mean while, we will wait for the announcement(s). Our fingers are crossed.
One thing about Faust, he does have a very big wingspan for his size. It's not quite Jeremy Lamb big (6'5" with a 7'4" wingspan) but I've seen it listed as anywhere between 6'10" and 7'0". He's clearly not a four, but in Buzz's system, if he can build strength, he can probably defend the 1-4.
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2011, 12:20:01 PM
Faust is more highly ranked, but if I got to choose I would still take the 6'9 guy. Next year's team needs a spot up 4 with a little inside game more than another 2-3.
Agreed, Eric Copes #55 on the ESPN 100 just opened up his recruitment and he fits the bill.
Copes had signed with George Washington, got his release, but has signed with George Mason.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2011, 06:42:31 PM
One thing about Faust, he does have a very big wingspan for his size. It's not quite Jeremy Lamb big (6'5" with a 7'4" wingspan) but I've seen it listed as anywhere between 6'10" and 7'0". He's clearly not a four, but in Buzz's system, if he can build strength, he can probably defend the 1-4.
Keep talking about Faust playing the 4 and I guarantee he will not come here.
Quote from: bilsu on May 16, 2011, 04:20:41 PM
Keep talking about Faust playing the 4 and I guarantee he will not come here.
I think this is one problem we have that may be miscommunicated to recruits like Jarion Henry (better off without him anyway, though). At Marquette, it's not really playing the 4. Just because you can defend a 4 doesn't mean you are playing power forward. Lazar defended 5s. Did that make him a center? Was he drafted in the first round to the NBA because of his upside as a center?
Jae guarded 4s, no one would confuse him for being a power forward. Jimmy guarded some 1s, does that make him a point guard? I don't see Faust as a power forward, I'm sure Buzz didn't, but that doesn't mean he couldn't defend power forwards if he bulked up when you consider his wingspan. And when it comes to his future, playing offense like a 2/3 and defending like a 4 would be incredibly valuable to his potential pro future.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 16, 2011, 04:55:39 PM
I think this is one problem we have that may be miscommunicated to recruits like Jarion Henry
I am fairly certain that the recruits are listening to Buzz and the coaching staff about their role on the team more than they are Scoopers.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 17, 2011, 07:53:17 AMI am fairly certain that the recruits are listening to Buzz and the coaching staff about their role on the team more than they are Scoopers.
I'm confident you're right about that, but in this age of Twitter, you do get more communication between fans and recruits. Like the person that tweeted to Jarion Henry something along the lines of "Hope you come to Marquette, we need a power forward" and he responded "Sorry, but I'm not a power forward". I'm confident that by that time we had already moved on from him, and he had probably already decided on UNM, but who knows if there are prospects from 2013, 14, and 15 that Buzz hasn't contacted yet that could end up with a first impression of our program from some idiot tweet that misrepresents us before Buzz has a chance to make inroads.
Does it happen often? I doubt it, but as social media becomes more prevalent it will be a lot more difficult to control illegal contact between recruits and boosters and quite often the message delivered won't be anything close to what the coaching staff would say if they got first crack.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 17, 2011, 07:53:17 AM
I am fairly certain that the recruits are listening to Buzz and the coaching staff about their role on the team more than they are Scoopers.
I think that if they have any interest in MU, they are watching how MU plays and is very aware of type of players MU already has on the roster. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that MU's weak spot is the power forward spot and in recent years has been filled by small forwards. I felt that in the past few years we could not recruit a power forward, because they looked at our roster and figured they would end up playing center. At least now we have two players at the center position, which should make it easier to get a power forward. We have Ferguson and Taylor committed for next year. Presumably Faust is a better player and will help this year. While Ferguson and Taylor are verbaled there is no guarantee that they end up coming here. You have to take Faust, if you can get him.
bilsu, last year, which was the year were we had two healthy post players, who would you classify as our "power forward?" Jae Crowder? The guy who was second on the team in 3 point attempts?
My point is that we keep going back to the outdated notion that MU basketball is made up of the traditional 1-5 position players. However, it is pretty clear that MU runs a point, a post and three "switchables" who have the freedom to do all sorts of things on offense.
So if Faust comes here, yeah he might be guarding a guy bigger than him at times. Big frickin' deal. However, it doesn't mean that he would be playing some sort of limited mid-range game on offense.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 17, 2011, 09:20:23 AMbilsu, last year, which was the year were we had two healthy post players, who would you classify as our "power forward?" Jae Crowder? The guy who was second on the team in 3 point attempts?
My point is that we keep going back to the outdated notion that MU basketball is made up of the traditional 1-5 position players. However, it is pretty clear that MU runs a point, a post and three "switchables" who have the freedom to do all sorts of things on offense.
So if Faust comes here, yeah he might be guarding a guy bigger than him at times. Big frickin' deal. However, it doesn't mean that he would be playing some sort of limited mid-range game on offense.
+100
Well said.
Faust would be a great Warrior. Come on Buzz!!!
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 17, 2011, 09:30:21 AM
+100
Well said.
It is not a big frickin' deal to you, but it could be to Faust.
Wes and Lazar both played out of position in a traditional sense for Buzz. But, they played and showed that they could defend bigger players and score.
Those guys have a few million reasons to like the way Buzz played them, even if Wes played a 3 or 4 at times and Lazar played a 4 or a 5.
Jimmy will hopefully be in the same boat. DJO also played mostly the 3 his first year.
I hope Faust and others see the advantage of being a switchable.
Quote from: bilsu on May 17, 2011, 11:40:10 AM
It is not a big frickin' deal to you, but it could be to Faust.
Fine. If is a big deal to occasionally guard a guy bigger than him, he shouldn't be playing competitive basketball. I can understand concerns if he were pigeon-holed in a position that would somehow limit his effectiveness on the offensive end, but guarding guys bigger and stronger...or smaller and quicker...happens all of the time on the defensive end. Man up and do it.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 17, 2011, 02:01:58 PM
Fine. If is a big deal to occasionally guard a guy bigger than him, he shouldn't be playing competitive basketball. I can understand concerns if he were pigeon-holed in a position that would somehow limit his effectiveness on the offensive end, but guarding guys bigger and stronger...or smaller and quicker...happens all of the time on the defensive end. Man up and do it.
I have no idea whether this is important to Faust or not. Players have preferrances. Some players adapt to different situations. I do not think Lazar came here thinking he was going to play center and power forward, but he adapted. On the flip side Maymon did not. He saw himself as a 2 and was not willing to play anywhere else.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 17, 2011, 02:01:58 PM
Fine. If is a big deal to occasionally guard a guy bigger than him, he shouldn't be playing competitive basketball. I can understand concerns if he were pigeon-holed in a position that would somehow limit his effectiveness on the offensive end, but guarding guys bigger and stronger...or smaller and quicker...happens all of the time on the defensive end. Man up and do it.
It may not be a big deal, but when you have options like he does why not go where he would be allowed to play his preferred positions. When you go car shopping and really want a convertible, and a comparable car at the same price is in a convertible, why settle?
He *will* be playing his preferred position....he will be a guard/forward who can shoot and attack the basket.
He might be guarding big...but that doesn't mean he playing out of position.
According to rivals, Faust is announcing his decision tonight...
http://maryland.rivals.com/
It'll be Maryland I think.
Quote from: Eford4President2012 on May 17, 2011, 04:32:05 PMAccording to rivals, Faust is announcing his decision tonight...
http://maryland.rivals.com/
Hmm...no visits anywhere else. I'd expect Maryland or Marquette, but a Kentucky commit wouldn't surprise me. Have to think it will be one of those three.
Don't think he bolts Maryland last week just to re-up today. Makes no sense. It may be home, but the tempo of basketball that Turgeon plays isn't desirable to many.
I am predicting Kansas. Players commit to MU all the time without visiting, so I cna see him going to Kansas without visiting.
It will be Marquette.
I think he stays with Maryland as they retained assistant Bino Ransom who recruited him to Maryland in the first place and Turgeon just brought Spinelli with him from Texas A&M and they added assistant Dalonte Hill from Kansas State who has the Washington D.C. connections.
If not Maryland, I think he ends up at Villanova.
FearTheTurtlee RT @dougnewton8: Word is Nick Faust will announce his re-commitment to Maryland tonight. #WeWantFaust. #TerpNation
I was thinking we'd hear:
It's Indiana, It's Indiana.
Quote from: Ners on May 17, 2011, 08:13:13 PM
I was thinking we'd hear:
It's Indiana, It's Indiana.
Would that make Faust I4-2? ;D
Hes reaffirmed the commitment to Maryland
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1072881.html
Time to move on...