Is it true that we only have one scholarship left for the next two years? If so, its almost certain that we need 2k sign a big. I wanted stokes and nolan but looks like we can't have both. Also really washed gabe york.
As of now, there is one opening for 2011. Ideally, it would be another big so we have a big man ready to go when Otule leaves.
It's hard to say how to use it. I am not a huge proponent of banking a scholarship in general, but it might be worth being picky here. I don't know if there is anyone out there that would play next year anyway. Might be worth having the flexibility to pick up a midyear transfer or another big next year. I wouldn't go for another switchable unless he is over 6'7 personally.
Is that big guy from Maine still available?
Seriously, I believe 2011 recruiting is over with the TJ commitment. Does Buzz want to go over the
13 limit again, if so, I am one to say NO. You only have one open next year, it is a long year, take
your time and get a 4 or 5 star power forward! Could make MU a Top 10 team in 2012.
Why r we looking for a power forward and not a center
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 03, 2011, 09:58:47 PM
Seriously, I believe 2011 recruiting is over with the TJ commitment. Does Buzz want to go over the
13 limit again, if so, I am one to say NO. You only have one open next year, it is a long year, take
your time and get a 4 or 5 star power forward! Could make MU a Top 10 team in 2012.
isn't TJ a 2012?
Quote from: HoopsMalone on May 03, 2011, 10:51:30 PM
isn't TJ a 2012?
Correct. We still have one open to use in 2011 (or in 2012 if it's "banked")
See the scholarship table...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
Quote from: GoMarquette32 on May 03, 2011, 10:48:19 PM
Why r we looking for a power forward and not a center
I prefer having quick, athletic forwards as our inside presence instead of having a true center. A big switchable is fine by me :)
I think Buzz is done for the summer. I wonder if they could 'quietly' give it to Singleton for this year with the understanding that it is only for one year? Can that be done without any public announcement?
Scholarships are one year renewable, so I think they could give it to him for a year. It would take away the possibility of a mid year transfer. I do not think Buzz is done recruiting for the year. Until all the legal issues are settled in a positive manner, we do not even know if all the players will be back.
Quote from: bilsu on May 04, 2011, 08:33:42 AM
Scholarships are one year renewable, so I think they could give it to him for a year. It would take away the possibility of a mid year transfer. I do not think Buzz is done recruiting for the year. Until all the legal issues are settled in a positive manner, we do not even know if all the players will be back.
The one year renewable contract thing is getting real old bilsu. I'm sure buzz would be real successful telling parents that coming to MU is a one year deal. Hey mrs. Williams, I know your son will be 1000 miles away, but don't worry we'll take good care of him....and if we don't like him we'll cut him next year. The worst take I've read on this board.
But I agree, buzz isn't done, he never is.
The guy from Maine is going juco. Can't recall his name.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 04, 2011, 10:08:52 AM
The guy from Maine is going juco. Can't recall his name.
Keith Coleman
Since we only have one scholarship left. Does that mean were not getting york?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 04, 2011, 09:51:23 AM
The one year renewable contract thing is getting real old bilsu. I'm sure buzz would be real successful telling parents that coming to MU is a one year deal. Hey mrs. Williams, I know your son will be 1000 miles away, but don't worry we'll take good care of him....and if we don't like him we'll cut him next year. The worst take I've read on this board.
But I agree, buzz isn't done, he never is.
Besides all that, which is entirely accurate, what's the value of bringing in a kid you already deem unworthy of a scholarship beyond one year? If that's the case, ou've already determined he's not an impact player - and certainly not an immediate impact player - so why bother?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 04, 2011, 09:51:23 AM
The one year renewable contract thing is getting real old bilsu. I'm sure buzz would be real successful telling parents that coming to MU is a one year deal. Hey mrs. Williams, I know your son will be 1000 miles away, but don't worry we'll take good care of him....and if we don't like him we'll cut him next year. The worst take I've read on this board.
But I agree, buzz isn't done, he never is.
The one year renewable was directly relaled to the poster's question whether they could give a scholarship to Singleton for one year, since it was not going to be used otherwise. I believe you should only recruit players you plan on keeping until their eligibility is used up.
Quote from: GoMarquette32 on May 04, 2011, 10:48:04 AM
Since we only have one scholarship left. Does that mean were not getting york?
We have one scholarship left for 2011. York is a 2012. We have one left for 2012, as well. If the 2011 schollie gets banked then we have two left after Ferguson for 2012, and could get a biggie and York. Of course, that assumes that no one leaves.
Modification: I wrote the above before I checked out the Taylor news. We
could still get York, if we bank the 2011 schollie or if someone leaves, but I've got to think that the odds are against it, as the need for a biggie would be far greater.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 04, 2011, 04:23:06 PM
We have one scholarship left for 2011. York is a 2012. We have one left for 2012, as well. If the 2011 schollie gets banked then we have two left after Ferguson for 2012, and could get a biggie and York. Of course, that assumes that no one leaves.
There are no schollies left for 2012, if buzz were to bank then there would be one scholarship left for 2012.
^Never mind saw that you corrected it...
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 04, 2011, 04:23:06 PM
We have one scholarship left for 2011. York is a 2012. We have one left for 2012, as well. If the 2011 schollie gets banked then we have two left after Ferguson for 2012, and could get a biggie and York. Of course, that assumes that no one leaves.
Modification: I wrote the above before I checked out the Taylor news. We could still get York, if we bank the 2011 schollie or if someone leaves, but I've got to think that the odds are against it, as the need for a biggie would be far greater.
You know, the more you look at the way this schollie deal is stacking up, and that we need a big, with only one schollie left for the next two years, I am starting to think that somebody is moving on. It is just pure speculation, but with the emphasis Williams is putting on guards, somebody may be gone. Don't know who but this is looking that way.
We definitely need get a big committment.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2011, 04:42:03 PM
You know, the more you look at the way this schollie deal is stacking up, and that we need a big, with only one schollie left for the next two years, I am starting to think that somebody is moving on. It is just pure speculation, but with the emphasis Williams is putting on guards, somebody may be gone. Don't know who but this is looking that way.
We definitely need get a big committment.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2012
Here's the new 2012 rankings. Review and notice MU interest. Interest will probably change now that Taylor committed and unless Buzz banks the 2011 schollie, there is zero left.
Guards: Junior, Blue, Mayo, Wilson, Taylor, Ferguson and walk on Singleton. Thats seven. Who knows?
Wannah Bail.
If he doesn't make MU's starting five by his fourth year, he'll already be - by then - a 4x Vitale Best Name 1st Teamer!
Quote from: nyg on May 04, 2011, 04:48:43 PMGuards: Junior, Blue, Mayo, Wilson, Taylor, Ferguson and walk on Singleton. Thats seven. Who knows?
True, but spread out pretty well based on when they'll graduate.
2012: DJO
2013: Junior Cadougan, Dave Singleton
2014: Vander Blue, Jamail Jones
2015: Todd Mayo, Derrick Wilson, TJ Taylor
2016: Jamal Ferguson
The only class that looks at all unbalanced is 2015, and that's because Taylor comes in with three years of eligibility. I'd say of the nine total guards we have either here or in the pipeline, having their graduation spread out over five years with no more than three graduating at once is a pretty solid setup.
Six scholarship guards (seven if you count Singleton), aren't that many for a team that runs a lot of three guard offenses.
Perfect balance would be 5 guards, 5 forwards, three centers and a walk on. Singleton is the walk on. We are short a center.
We keep checking every day for the post announcing the signing of a "big." Still wishing it happens.
Quote from: bilsu on May 04, 2011, 10:18:33 PM
Perfect balance would be 5 guards, 5 forwards, three centers and a walk on. Singleton is the walk on. We are short a center.
Traditionally, yeah that is perfect balance. But I am not sure that is how you construct a college team today. There are many more guards and forwards in basketball today than centers. The question that Buzz is probably asking himself often is, do you sign a guy like Philip Nolan or a guy like TJ Taylor?
Nolan is a tall center, but like most of them, needs some work both on the court and in the weight room. Or would you rather sign another guard like Taylor who can get on the floor immediately and probably take your team further than Nolan would.
Of course what you would rather do is sign a real, talented big man. But if you cannot do that, signing quality regardless of position is probably more important than perfect positional balance.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 05, 2011, 09:47:07 AMTraditionally, yeah that is perfect balance. But I am not sure that is how you construct a college team today. There are many more guards and forwards in basketball today than centers. The question that Buzz is probably asking himself often is, do you sign a guy like Philip Nolan or a guy like TJ Taylor?
That's why Buzz's philosophy is to have 3 point guards, 3 centers, and the rest switchables (at least that's the ideal). That in theory gives 7 guys to play the 2-4 positions. Clearly he's not quite there yet, but I think that if he is able to get that balance, we'll really have a nicely formed roster.
As has been discussed so many times here - game changing bigs are few and far between and hard to land. In today's game - so long as you can have a serviceable big - like a Barro/Otule/Gardner - you can be very competitive.
We never were quite able to see what the Big 3 plus Lazar could have accomplished as seniors due to DJ going down - but many feel that probably would have been an Elite 8 caliber team - even though it was severaly lacking in any real depth behind those 4 players.
If Buzz can get 7 highly skilled 1's and 2's - players that legitimately can pass, dribble and shoot - as it appears TJ Taylor, Todd Mayo, and Juan Anderson all can - combined with some talented switchables 3's and 4's like Crowder, Jamil Wilson, and Erik Williams....
With that kind of depth and talent - MU should be able to compete at an Elite 8 level - with or without the 5-star big that is so hard to land.
Bottom line, Buzz has a lot of time to babysit one or two bigs for the next 7 months,
he can work those kids really hard. he will get someone.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 04, 2011, 07:36:46 PM
Wannah Bail.
If he doesn't make MU's starting five by his fourth year, he'll already be - by then - a 4x Vitale Best Name 1st Teamer!
Yes, I posted his name several months ago, and we have been after him for a while. he is a 2012 recruit and is from Houston area. Ranked #76 overall and #12 PF. At one time we were also in on 6'10" Prince Ibeh from Texas. #21 rated Center.
Would be great to get both and put them on the all name team.
What happened with Phil Nolan? We need to get one of these guys.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 04, 2011, 09:51:23 AM
Hey mrs. Williams, I know your son will be 1000 miles away, but don't worry we'll take good care of him....and if we don't like him we'll cut him next year. The worst take I've read on this board.
I think the likely (and honest) statement would be more like this:
"Hey mrs. Williams, I know your son will be 1000 miles away, but don't worry we'll take good care of him while he's here.
"One thing you and he both need to know up front is that he needs to
earn the right to be asked back for his sophomore year. Frankly, not every player I recruit earns that invitation.
"But I promise that I'll give your son the same exact opportunity that every other player on team has."